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Livyjr
post Feb 8 2010, 05:56 PM
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QUOTE(brossignol @ Feb 8 2010, 05:49 PM) *
Government SHOULD be open to the people.

RADICAL!

RADICAL!

THERE IS A RADICAL IN THE HOUSE!

GO HIDE EVERYBODY!


And so ...
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post Feb 8 2010, 06:07 PM
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there is a difference between it being open

and the people watching who have power driving the system (like the Rush Limbaugh's who make themselves the defacto powers).
Rush Limbaugh is the ultimate Kingpin, with the ultimate power, because no one dares go against him
(Sarah P. even basically told him he is allowed to use the R word even though no one else can).

in reality, America has ceded and given dicatorship to Rush Limbaugh, the all knowing all powerful. There is no one more powerful than him
(and the people who pay him, obviously if the ulitimate power corporations did not like him, he would not be on the air,witness how they killed
air america).

Limbaugh is the ultimate Czar, Dictator, and no one even gave him one vote, or one thing, except for the first amendment.


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post Feb 8 2010, 06:10 PM
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QUOTE(Livyjr @ Feb 8 2010, 04:25 PM) *
Section 3.

He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information on the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient;

he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed ...


http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/article02/

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Watching and listening did at least raise questions in my mind as to whether he has been the true root of those political games or if he was so overwhelmed in his new role that he neglected his leadership duties and allowed the Congressional leaders to play political games.

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"Analysis: Obama's dangerous political gambit"

By JENNIFER LOVEN, AP White House Correspondent

3 FEBRUARY 2010

Fearful of losses in the November congressional and gubernatorial elections, Democrats have been urging Obama to help them stay competitive by throwing tougher punches at Republicans.

Since last Wednesday's State of the Union address, the president has held two campaign-style town hall meetings, including one Tuesday in New Hampshire, where two House races and a Senate seat are in play this year.


He used both events to call out Republicans for opposing him on health care, federal spending and other issues.

And so ...
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post Feb 8 2010, 06:13 PM
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QUOTE(Abu Beacon @ Feb 8 2010, 04:06 PM) *
In my opinion, the job of Potus has become much too demanding for one person, both in time and expertise.
Yes. you might say, but that's why we have a vice president.

No, it's not.When have we last had a vice president with presidential qualities, including our current holder of the office ?


So far, there appears to unanimous agreement that, making the changes I used as examples is definitely overtinkering with with we now have. Thanks for all the input. The responses tell me that there are many who still love the U.S. and who can argue with that ?

I also was just a bit surprised that so many refer to the U.S. Constitution.

It looks to me from what I have hearing is that basically the system is not the culprit as much as so many people in the system using it for their personal advancement, many of them illegally. We do catch a few, but the net has many large holes in it and so many slip through.

I still believe to a large degree that we do need to make changes in order to return to our position of being admired and respected, but human frailties and greed are impossible to legislate.

I remember the Malek that Snuffy referred to and yes, he was one to be admired.

Nixon, was not a favorite of mine by any means, although his adminstration accomplished many good things.

Too bad he threw away so many of his talents away by not being straight with the country.

A.B.

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post Feb 8 2010, 06:17 PM
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common ground with Richard Nixon
I would take him back (without his paranoia though)
He did a lot of good and was the last strong independent president (so to say)
(not to sidetrack, but it was that independence that IMHO caused him to be taken down).


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post Feb 8 2010, 06:29 PM
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QUOTE(Abu Beacon @ Feb 8 2010, 06:13 PM) *
I also was just a bit surprised that so many refer to the U.S. Constitution.

A.B.

And I, in my turn, am surprised to hear you say that, Mr. A.B. ...
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post Feb 8 2010, 06:33 PM
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QUOTE(graham4anything @ Feb 8 2010, 04:54 PM) *
and never were done in public
always in back rooms


Wow, graham, I would have never guessed......

Let me ask: What was Thomas Jefferson like in person?



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Why was the first deleted for "flaming" and the second left alone? I believe that ALL members deserve to know.

QUOTE(brossignol @ Feb 11 2010, 11:16 AM) [snapback]1072016[/snapback]
I've encountered several of these hypocrisies in recent posts by a certain person. Manufactured "facts," or focusing in on an unimportant issue obscuring the important aspeect of what was actually the point. One has to avoid getting angry and avoid being baited to respond in anger.

I've seen that too many times now.

It's easy to ignore the idiot, but the person tries to obfuscate a thread using a game of twisting words to avoid the soul of a vital argument.

Just my opinion.


QUOTE(TheRestofUs @ Feb 10 2010, 10:54 AM) [snapback]1071530[/snapback]
I've encountered several of these tactics in a recent debate. Manufactured "relevence," or focusing in on an unimportant technicality obscuring the important aspeect of what was actually the point. One has to avoid getting angry and avoid being baited to respond in anger.

I've seen that at least twice now.

It's easy to ignore the buffoon, but the clever debater tries to constrain a debate down to a game of parsing words to avoid the soul of a vital argument.

Just my opinion.
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post Feb 8 2010, 06:53 PM
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QUOTE(Livyjr @ Feb 8 2010, 06:29 PM) *
QUOTE(Abu Beacon @ Feb 8 2010, 06:13 PM) *
I also was just a bit surprised that so many refer to the U.S. Constitution.

A.B.

And I, in my turn, am surprised to hear you say that, Mr. A.B. ...


Just to be sure, Livyjr, that you know where I stand, I thought the references to the Constitution was a remarkably good thing.

A.B.
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post Feb 9 2010, 05:14 AM
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If only more people knew that:

1) it exists; and

2) it actually has words written on it; and

3) those words written on it just happen to be OUR organic law here in the USA ....

What a different world this might be ....

And so ...
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post Feb 9 2010, 05:38 AM
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especially John Roberts and Samuel Alito and Scalia and Thomas and Kennedy
each of those 5 should read the Constitution
and 3 plus the other 2 should have read about states deciding elections back in 2000

where Al Gore defeated Bush.

and the court voted 7 to 2 to send it back to florida for the final decision which is how it should have ended.
before they made up law and voted 5 to 4 to say nah nah nah nah nah nah and that the clock ran out


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THIS IS FROM A POST OF MINE IN LIFE IN OUR AMERICA FROM JANUARY 4, 2006:

"In The Kingdom Of The Half-Blind (On secrecy in government)"


by Bill Moyers

December 16, 2005

http://snipurl.com/gov_secrecy

Two years ago, prior to the invasion of Iraq, I said on the air that Vietnam didn't make me a dove; it made me read the Constitution.

Government's first obligation is to defend its citizens.


There is nothing in the Constitution that says it is permissible for our government to launch a preemptive attack on another nation.

Common sense carries one to the same conclusion: it's hard to get the leash back on once you let the wild dogs of war out of the kennel.
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post Feb 9 2010, 08:18 AM
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Our Democracy No Longer Works and the Problem Is Congress
At the center of our government lies a bankrupt institution: Congress. The US Congress has become the Fundraising Congress.
February 9, 2010 |


We should remember what it felt like one year ago, as the ability to recall it emotionally will pass and it is an emotional memory as much as anything else. It was a moment rare in a democracy's history. The feeling was palpable--to supporters and opponents alike--that something important had happened. America had elected, the young candidate promised, a transformational president. And wrapped in a campaign that had produced the biggest influx of new voters and small-dollar contributions in a generation, the claim seemed credible, almost intoxicating, and just in time.

Yet a year into the presidency of Barack Obama, it is already clear that this administration is an opportunity missed. Not because it is too conservative. Not because it is too liberal. But because it is too conventional. Obama has given up the rhetoric of his early campaign--a campaign that promised to "challenge the broken system in Washington" and to "fundamentally change the way Washington works." Indeed, "fundamental change" is no longer even a hint.

Instead, we are now seeing the consequences of a decision made at the most vulnerable point of Obama's campaign--just when it seemed that he might really have beaten the party's presumed nominee. For at that moment, Obama handed the architecture of his new administration over to a team that thought what America needed most was another Bill Clinton. A team chosen by the brother of one of DC's most powerful lobbyists, and a White House headed by the quintessential DC politician. A team that could envision nothing more than the ordinary politics of Washington--the kind of politics Obama had called "small." A team whose imagination--politically--is tiny.

These tiny minds--brilliant though they may be in the conventional game of DC--have given up what distinguished Obama's extraordinary campaign. Not the promise of healthcare reform or global warming legislation--Hillary Clinton had embraced both of those ideas, and every other substantive proposal that Obama advanced. Instead, the passion that Obama inspired grew from the recognition that something fundamental had gone wrong in the way our government functions, and his commitment to reform it.

For Obama once spoke for the anger that has now boiled over in even the blue state Massachusetts--that our government is corrupt; that fundamental change is needed. As he told us, both parties had allowed "lobbyists and campaign contributions to rig the system." And "unless we're willing to challenge [that] broken system...nothing else is going to change." "The reason" Obama said he was "running for president [was] to challenge that system." For "if we're not willing to take up that fight, then real change--change that will make a lasting difference in the lives of ordinary Americans--will keep getting blocked by the defenders of the status quo."

This administration has not "taken up that fight." Instead, it has stepped down from the high ground the president occupied on January 20, 2009, and played a political game no different from the one George W. Bush played, or Bill Clinton before him. Obama has accepted the power of the "defenders of the status quo" and simply negotiated with them. "Audacity" fits nothing on the list of last year's activity, save the suggestion that this is the administration the candidate had promised.

Maybe this was his plan all along. It was not what he said. And by ignoring what he promised, and by doing what he attacked ("too many times, after the election is over, and the confetti is swept away, all those promises fade from memory, and the lobbyists and the special interests move in"), Obama will leave the presidency, whether in 2013 or 2017, with Washington essentially intact and the movement he inspired betrayed.

That movement needs new leadership. On the right (the tea party) and the left (MoveOn and Bold Progressives), there is an unstoppable recognition that our government has failed. But both sides need to understand the source of its failure if either or, better, both together, are to respond.

At the center of our government lies a bankrupt institution: Congress. Not financially bankrupt, at least not yet, but politically bankrupt. Bush v. Gore notwithstanding, Americans' faith in the Supreme Court remains extraordinarily high--76 percent have a fair or great deal of "trust and confidence" in the Court. Their faith in the presidency is also high--61 percent.

But consistently and increasingly over the past decade, faith in Congress has collapsed--slowly, and then all at once. Today it is at a record low. Just 45 percent of Americans have "trust and confidence" in Congress; just 25 percent approve of how Congress is handling its job. A higher percentage of Americans likely supported the British Crown at the time of the Revolution than support our Congress today.

The source of America's cynicism is not hard to find. Americans despise the inauthentic. Gregory House, of the eponymous TV medical drama, is a hero not because he is nice (he isn't) but because he is true. Tiger Woods is a disappointment not because he is evil (he isn't) but because he proved false. We may want peace and prosperity, but most would settle for simple integrity. Yet the single attribute least attributed to Congress, at least in the minds of the vast majority of Americans, is just that: integrity. And this is because most believe our Congress is a simple pretense. That rather than being, as our framers promised, an institution "dependent on the People," the institution has developed a pathological dependence on campaign cash. The US Congress has become the Fundraising Congress. And it answers--as Republican and Democratic presidents alike have discovered--not to the People, and not even to the president, but increasingly to the relatively small mix of interests that fund the key races that determine which party will be in power.

This is corruption. Not the corruption of bribes, or of any other crime known to Title 18 of the US Code. Instead, it is a corruption of the faith Americans have in this core institution of our democracy. The vast majority of Americans believe money buys results in Congress (88 percent in a recent California poll). And whether that belief is true or not, the damage is the same. The democracy is feigned. A feigned democracy breeds cynicism. Cynicism leads to disengagement. Disengagement leaves the fox guarding the henhouse.

This corruption is not hidden. On the contrary, it is in plain sight, with its practices simply more and more brazen. Consider, for example, the story Robert Kaiser tells in his fantastic book So Damn Much Money, about Senator John Stennis, who served for forty-one years until his retirement in 1989. Stennis, no choirboy himself, was asked by a colleague to host a fundraiser for military contractors while he was chair of the Armed Services Committee. "Would that be proper?" Stennis asked. "I hold life and death over those companies. I don't think it would be proper for me to take money from them."

Is such a norm even imaginable in DC today? Compare Stennis with Max Baucus, who has gladly opened his campaign chest to $3.3 million in contributions from the healthcare and insurance industries since 2005, a time when he has controlled healthcare in the Senate. Or Senators Lieberman, Bayh and Nelson, who took millions from insurance and healthcare interests and then opposed the (in their states) popular public option for healthcare. Or any number of Blue Dog Democrats in the House who did the same, including, most prominently, Arkansas's Mike Ross. Or Republican John Campbell, a California landlord who in 2008 received (as ethics reports indicate) between $600,000 and $6 million in rent from used car dealers, who successfully inserted an amendment into the Consumer Financial Protection Agency Act to exempt car dealers from financing rules to protect consumers. Or Democrats Melissa Bean and Walter Minnick, who took top-dollar contributions from the financial services sector and then opposed stronger oversight of financial regulations.

The list is endless; the practice open and notorious. Since the time of Rome, historians have taught that while corruption is a part of every society, the only truly dangerous corruption comes when the society has lost any sense of shame. Washington has lost its sense of shame.

As fundraising becomes the focus of Congress--as the parties force members to raise money for other members, as they reward the best fundraisers with lucrative committee assignments and leadership positions--the focus of Congressional "work" shifts. Like addicts constantly on the lookout for their next fix, members grow impatient with anything that doesn't promise the kick of a campaign contribution. The first job is meeting the fundraising target. Everything else seems cheap. Talk about policy becomes, as one Silicon Valley executive described it to me, "transactional." The perception, at least among industry staffers dealing with the Hill, is that one makes policy progress only if one can promise fundraising progress as well.

This dance has in turn changed the character of Washington. As Kaiser explains, Joe Rothstein, an aide to former Senator Mike Gravel, said there was never a "period of pristine American politics untainted by money.... Money has been part of American politics forever, on occasion--in the Gilded Age or the Harding administration, for example--much more blatantly than recently." But "in recent decades 'the scale of it has just gotten way out of hand.' The money may have come in brown paper bags in earlier eras, but the politicians needed, and took, much less of it than they take through more formal channels today."

And not surprisingly, as powerful interests from across the nation increasingly invest in purchasing public policy rather than inventing a better mousetrap, wealth, and a certain class of people, shift to Washington. According to the 2000 Census, fourteen of the hundred richest counties were in the Washington area. In 2007, nine of the richest twenty were in the area. Again, Kaiser: "In earlier generations enterprising young men came to Washington looking for power and political adventure, often with ambitions to save or reform the country or the world. In the last fourth of the twentieth century such aspirations were supplanted by another familiar American yearning: to get rich."

Rich, indeed, they are, with the godfather of the lobbyist class, Gerald Cassidy, amassing more than $100 million from his lobbying business.

Members of Congress are insulted by charges like these. They insist that money has no such effect. Perhaps, they concede, it buys access. (As former Representative Romano Mazzoli put it, "People who contribute get the ear of the member and the ear of the staff. They have the access--and access is it.") But, the cash-seekers insist, it doesn't change anyone's mind. The souls of members are not corrupted by private funding. It is simply the way Americans go about raising the money necessary to elect our government.

But there are two independent and adequate responses to this weak rationalization for the corruption of the Fundraising Congress. First: whether or not this money has corrupted anyone's soul--that is, whether it has changed any vote or led any politician to bend one way or the other--there is no doubt that it leads the vast majority of Americans to believe that money buys results in Congress. Even if it doesn't, that's what Americans believe. Even if, that is, the money doesn't corrupt the soul of a single member of Congress, it corrupts the institution--by weakening faith in it, and hence weakening the willingness of citizens to participate in their government. Why waste your time engaging politically when it is ultimately money that buys results, at least if you're not one of those few souls with vast sums of it?

"But maybe," the apologist insists, "the problem is in what Americans believe. Maybe we should work hard to convince Americans that they're wrong. It's understandable that they believe money is corrupting Washington. But it isn't. The money is benign. It supports the positions members have already taken. It is simply how those positions find voice and support. It is just the American way."

Here a second and completely damning response walks onto the field: if money really doesn't affect results in Washington, then what could possibly explain the fundamental policy failures--relative to every comparable democracy across the world, whether liberal or conservative--of our government over the past decades? The choice (made by Democrats and Republicans alike) to leave unchecked a huge and crucially vulnerable segment of our economy, which threw the economy over a cliff when it tanked (as independent analysts again and again predicted it would). Or the choice to leave unchecked the spread of greenhouse gases. Or to leave unregulated the exploding use of antibiotics in our food supply--producing deadly strains of E. coli. Or the inability of the twenty years of "small government" Republican presidents in the past twenty-nine to reduce the size of government at all. Or... you fill in the blank. From the perspective of what the People want, or even the perspective of what the political parties say they want, the Fundraising Congress is misfiring in every dimension. That is either because Congress is filled with idiots or because Congress has a dependency on something other than principle or public policy sense. In my view, Congress is not filled with idiots.

The point is simple, if extraordinarily difficult for those of us proud of our traditions to accept: this democracy no longer works. Its central player has been captured. Corrupted. Controlled by an economy of influence disconnected from the democracy. Congress has developed a dependency foreign to the framers' design. Corporate campaign spending, now liberated by the Supreme Court, will only make that dependency worse. "A dependence" not, as the Federalist Papers celebrated it, "on the People" but a dependency upon interests that have conspired to produce a world in which policy gets sold.

No one, Republican or Democratic, who doesn't currently depend upon this system should accept it. No president, Republican or Democratic, who doesn't change this system could possibly hope for any substantive reform. For small-government Republicans, the existing system will always block progress. There will be no end to extensive and complicated taxation and regulation until this system changes (for the struggle over endless and complicated taxation and regulation is just a revenue opportunity for the Fundraising Congress). For reform-focused Democrats, the existing system will always block progress. There will be no change in fundamental aspects of the existing economy, however inefficient, from healthcare to energy to food production, until this political economy is changed (for the reward from the status quo to stop reform is always irresistible to the Fundraising Congress). In a single line: there will be no change until we change Congress.

That Congress is the core of the problem with American democracy today is a point increasingly agreed upon by a wide range of the commentators. But almost universally, these commentators obscure the source of the problem.

Some see our troubles as tied to the arcane rules of the institution, particularly the Senate. Ezra Klein of the Washington Post, for example, has tied the failings of Congress to the filibuster and argues that the first step of fundamental reform has got to be to fix that. Tom Geoghegan made a related argument in these pages in August, and the argument appears again in this issue. (Of course, these pages were less eager to abolish the filibuster when the idea was floated by the Republicans in 2005, but put that aside.)

These arguments, however, miss a basic point. Filibuster rules simply set the price that interests must pay to dislodge reform. If the rules were different, the price would no doubt be higher. But a higher price wouldn't change the economy of influence. Indeed, as political scientists have long puzzled, special interests underinvest in Washington relative to the potential return. These interests could just as well afford to assure that fifty-one senators block reform as forty.

Others see the problem as tied to lobbyists--as if removing lobbyists from the mix of legislating (as if that constitutionally could be done) would be reform enough to assure that legislation was not corrupted.

But the problem in Washington is not lobbying. The problem is the role that lobbyists have come to play. As John Edwards used to say (when we used to quote what Edwards said), there's all the difference in the world between a lawyer making an argument to a jury and a lawyer handing out $100 bills to the jurors. That line is lost on the profession today. The profession would earn enormous credibility if it worked to restore it.

Finally, some believe the problem of Congress is tied to excessive partisanship. Members from an earlier era routinely point to the loss of a certain civility and common purpose. The game as played by both parties seems more about the parties than about the common good.

But it is this part of the current crisis that the dark soul in me admires most. There is a brilliance to how the current fraud is sustained. Everyone inside this game recognizes that if the public saw too clearly that the driving force in Washington is campaign cash, the public might actually do something to change that. So every issue gets reframed as if it were really a question touching some deep (or not so deep) ideological question. Drug companies fund members, for example, to stop reforms that might actually test whether "me too" drugs are worth the money they cost. But the reforms get stopped by being framed as debates about "death panels" or "denying doctor choice" rather than the simple argument of cost-effectiveness that motivates the original reform. A very effective campaign succeeds in obscuring the source of conflict over major issues of reform with the pretense that it is ideology rather than campaign cash that divides us.

Each of these causes is a symptom of a more fundamental disease. That disease is improper dependency. Remove the dependency, and these symptoms become--if not perfectly then at least much more--benign.

As someone who has known Obama vaguely for almost twenty years--he was my colleague at the University of Chicago, and I supported and contributed to every one of his campaigns--I would have bet my career that he understood this. That's what he told us again and again in his campaign, not as colorfully as Edwards, but ultimately more convincingly. That's what distinguished him from Hillary Clinton. That's what Clinton, defender of the lobbyists, didn't get. It was "fundamentally chang[ing] the way Washington works" that was the essential change that would make change believable.

So if you had told me in 2008 that Obama expected to come to power and radically remake the American economy--as his plans to enact healthcare and a response to global warming alone obviously would--without first radically changing this corrupted machinery of government, I would not have believed it. Who could believe such a change possible, given the economy of influence that defines Washington now?

Yet a year into this administration, it is impossible to believe this kind of change is anywhere on the administration's radar, at least anymore. The need to reform Congress has left Obama's rhetoric. The race to dicker with Congress in the same way Congress always deals is now the plan. Symbolic limits on lobbyists within the administration and calls for new disclosure limits for Congress are the sole tickets of "reform." (Even its revolving-door policy left a Mack truck-wide gap at its core: members of the administration can't leave the government and lobby for the industries they regulated during the term of the administration. But the day after Obama leaves office? All bets are off.) Save a vague promise in his State of the Union about overturning the Court's decision in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission (as if that were reform enough), there is nothing in the current framework of the White House's plans that is anything more than the strategy of a kinder and gentler, albeit certainly more articulate, George W. Bush: buying reform at whatever price the Fundraising Congress demands. No doubt Obama will try to buy more reform than Bush did. But the terms will continue to be set by a Congress driven by a dependency that betrays democracy, and at a price that is not clear we can even afford.

Healthcare reform is a perfect example. The bill the Fundraising Congress has produced is miles from the reform that Obama promised ("Any plan I sign must include an insurance exchange...including a public option," July 19, 2009). Like the stimulus package, like the bank bailouts, it is larded with gifts to the most powerful fundraising interests--including a promise to drug companies to pay retail prices for wholesale purchases and a promise to the insurance companies to leave their effectively collusive (since exempt from anti-trust limitations) and extraordinarily inefficient system of insurance intact--and provides (relative to the promises) little to the supposed intended beneficiaries of the law: the uninsured. In this, it is the perfect complement to the only significant social legislation enacted by Bush, the prescription drug benefit: a small benefit to those who can't afford drugs, a big gift to those who make drugs and an astonishingly expensive price tag for the nation.

So how did Obama get to this sorry bill? The first step, we are told, was to sit down with representatives from the insurance and pharmaceutical industries to work out a deal. But why, the student of Obama's campaign might ask, were they the entities with whom to strike a deal? How many of the 69,498,516 votes received by Obama did they actually cast? "We have to change our politics," Obama said. Where is the change in this?

"People...watch," Obama told us in the campaign, "as every year, candidates offer up detailed healthcare plans with great fanfare and promise, only to see them crushed under the weight of Washington politics and drug and insurance industry lobbying once the campaign is over."

"This cannot," he said, "be one of those years."

It has been one of those years. And it will continue to be so long as presidents continue to give a free pass to the underlying corruption of our democracy: Congress.

There was a way Obama might have had this differently. It would have been risky, some might say audacious. And it would have required an imagination far beyond the conventional politics that now controls his administration.

No doubt, 2009 was going to be an extraordinarily difficult year. Our nation was a cancer patient hit by a bus on her way to begin chemotherapy. The first stages of reform thus had to be trauma care, at least to stabilize the patient until more fundamental treatment could begin.

But even then, there was an obvious way that Obama could have reserved the recognition of the need for this more fundamental reform by setting up the expectations of the nation forcefully and clearly. Building on the rhetoric at the core of his campaign, on January 20, 2009, Obama could have said:

America has spoken. It has demanded a fundamental change in how Washington works, and in the government America delivers. I commit to America to work with Congress to produce that change. But if we fail, if Congress blocks the change that America has demanded--or more precisely, if Congress allows the special interests that control it to block the change that America has demanded--then it will be time to remake Congress. Not by throwing out the Democrats, or by throwing out the Republicans. But by throwing out both, to the extent that both continue to want to work in the old way. If this Congress fails to deliver change, then we will change Congress.

Had he framed his administration in these terms, then when what has happened happened, Obama would be holding the means to bring about the obvious and critical transformation that our government requires: an end to the Fundraising Congress. The failure to deliver on the promises of the campaign would not be the failure of Obama to woo Republicans (the unwooable Victorians of our age). The failure would have been what America was already primed to believe: a failure of this corrupted institution to do its job. Once that failure was marked with a frame that Obama set, he would have been in the position to begin the extraordinarily difficult campaign to effect the real change that Congress needs.

I am not saying this would have been easy. It wouldn't have. It would have been the most important constitutional struggle since the New Deal or the Civil War. It would have involved a fundamental remaking of the way Congress works. No one should minimize how hard that would have been. But if there was a president who could have done this, it was, in my view, Obama. No politician in almost a century has had the demonstrated capacity to inspire the imagination of a nation. He had us, all of us, and could have kept us had he kept the focus high.

Nor can one exaggerate the need for precisely this reform. We can't just putter along anymore. Our government is, as Paul Krugman put it, "ominously dysfunctional" just at a time when the world desperately needs at least competence. Global warming, pandemic disease, a crashing world economy: these are not problems we can leave to a litter of distracted souls. We are at one of those rare but critical moments when a nation must remake itself, to restore its government to its high ideals and to the potential of its people. Think of the brilliance of almost any bit of the private sector--from Hollywood, to Silicon Valley, to MIT, to the arts in New York or Nashville--and imagine a government that reflected just a fraction of that excellence. We cannot afford any less anymore.

What would the reform the Congress needs be? At its core, a change that restores institutional integrity. A change that rekindles a reason for America to believe in the central institution of its democracy by removing the dependency that now defines the Fundraising Congress. Two changes would make that removal complete. Achieving just one would have made Obama the most important president in a hundred years.

That one--and first--would be to enact an idea proposed by a Republican (Teddy Roosevelt) a century ago: citizen-funded elections. America won't believe in Congress, and Congress won't deliver on reform, whether from the right or the left, until Congress is no longer dependent upon conservative-with-a-small-c interests--meaning those in the hire of the status quo, keen to protect the status quo against change. So long as the norms support a system in which members sell out for the purpose of raising funds to get re-elected, citizens will continue to believe that money buys results in Congress. So long as citizens believe that, it will.

Citizen-funded elections could come in a number of forms. The most likely is the current bill sponsored in the House by Democrat John Larson and Republican Walter Jones, in the Senate by Democrats Dick Durbin and Arlen Specter. That bill is a hybrid between traditional public funding and small-dollar donations. Under this Fair Elections Now Act (which, by the way, is just about the dumbest moniker for the statute possible, at least if the sponsors hope to avoid Supreme Court invalidation), candidates could opt in to a system that would give them, after clearing certain hurdles, substantial resources to run a campaign. Candidates would also be free to raise as much money as they want in contributions maxed at $100 per citizen.

The only certain effect of this first change would be to make it difficult to believe that money buys any results in Congress. A second change would make that belief impossible: banning any member of Congress from working in any lobbying or consulting capacity in Washington for seven years after his or her term. Part of the economy of influence that corrupts our government today is that Capitol Hill has become, as Representative Jim Cooper put it, a "farm league for K Street." But K Street will lose interest after seven years, and fewer in Congress would think of their career the way my law students think about life after law school--six to eight years making around $180,000, and then doubling or tripling that as a partner, where "partnership" for members of Congress means a comfortable position on K Street.

Before the Supreme Court's decision in Citizens United v. FEC, I thought these changes alone would be enough at least to get reform started. But the clear signal of the Roberts Court is that any reform designed to muck about with whatever wealth wants is constitutionally suspect. And while it would take an enormous leap to rewrite constitutional law to make the Fair Elections Now Act unconstitutional, Citizens United demonstrates that the Court is in a jumping mood. And more ominously, the market for influence that that decision will produce may well overwhelm any positive effect that Fair Elections produces.

This fact has led some, including now me, to believe that reform needs people who can walk and chew gum at the same time. Without doubt, we need to push the Fair Elections Now Act. But we also need to begin the process to change the Constitution to assure that reform can survive the Roberts Court. That constitutional change should focus on the core underlying problem: institutional independence. The economy of influence that grips Washington has destroyed Congress's independence. Congress needs the power to restore it, by both funding elections to secure independence and protecting the context within which elections occur so that the public sees that integrity.

No amendment would come from this Congress, of course. But the framers left open a path to amendment that doesn't require the approval of Congress--a convention, which must be convened if two-thirds of the states apply for it. Interestingly (politically) those applications need not agree on the purpose of the convention. Some might see the overturning of Citizens United. Others might want a balanced budget amendment. The only requirement is that two-thirds apply, and then begins the drama of an unscripted national convention to debate questions of fundamental law.

Many fear a convention, worrying that our democracy can't process constitutional innovation well. I don't share that fear, but in any case, any proposed amendment still needs thirty-eight states to ratify it. There are easily twelve solid blue states in America and twelve solid red states. No one should fear that change would be too easy.

No doubt constitutional amendments are politically impossible--just as wresting a republic from the grip of a monarchy, or abolishing slavery or segregation, or electing Ronald Reagan or Barack Obama was "politically impossible." But conventional minds are always wrong about pivot moments in a nation's history. Obama promised this was such a moment. The past year may prove that he let it slip from his hand.

For this, democracy pivots. It will either spin to restore integrity or it will spin further out of control. Whether it will is no longer a choice. Our only choice is how.

Imagine an alcoholic. He may be losing his family, his job and his liver. These are all serious problems. Indeed, they are among the worst problems anyone could face. But what we all understand about the dependency of alcoholism is that however awful these problems, the alcoholic cannot begin to solve them until he solves his first problem--alcoholism.

So too is it with our democracy. Whether on the left or the right, there is an endless list of critical problems that each side believes important. The Reagan right wants less government and a simpler tax system. The progressive left wants better healthcare and a stop to global warming. Each side views these issues as critical, either to the nation (the right) or to the globe (the left). But what both sides must come to see is that the reform of neither is possible until we solve our first problem first--the dependency of the Fundraising Congress.

This dependency will perpetually block reform of any kind, since reform is always a change in the status quo, and it is defense of the status quo that the current corruption has perfected. For again, as Obama said:

If we're not willing to take up that fight, then real change--change that will make a lasting difference in the lives of ordinary Americans--will keep getting blocked by the defenders of the status quo.

"Defenders of the status quo"--now including the souls that hijacked the movement Obama helped inspire.

Editors' Note: We encourage readers moved by this essay to sign the Change Congress petition, a drive to enact solutions proposed in this article. Click here to sign. A video commentary by Professor Lessig can be viewed here.

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Lessig's commentary spells our exactly what I take Bill to mean when he says that green ballots win over white
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QUOTE(Frenchy @ Feb 8 2010, 04:33 PM) *
QUOTE(tazvil04 @ Feb 8 2010, 04:29 PM) *
I would suggest that Joe Biden is eminently qualified to be president. Cheney, while I disagree with his politics and approach to governance...I believe he was well qualified for the position as was Al Gore and George HW Bush.

Now...I understand your concerns...that the position of President is seemingly too complex

But, I do believe that just as being CEO of a multinational company you cannot necessarily possess intimate knowledge of every product and processes you can still be an effective CEO...while the job can be demanding there are individuals in this nation qualified who can serve individually as CEO of our government...IE -- President.

And I think that it would be a tragic mistake to try and alter the constitutional structure to have a board or council or other oligarchical structure replace the present executive system.


I agree with this.


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QUOTE(graham4anything @ Feb 8 2010, 05:27 PM) *
I would give the VP additional duties (unofficially as it may be).

Someone uncorruptable, like a Michael Bloomberg to handle the financial things
(Rockerfeller was a good VP for Ford, but he wasn't given anything to do)

what better is needed is a leader like say Tip O'Neill to get things moving

What is unfortunate is, the senate for one, was never meant to be an open house with cameras 24/7/365. The senate was always one for compromise
and now its impossible.


If Obama was telling the truth when he suggested that he felt most comfortable personally dealing with international affairs, then the choice of Senator Joe Biden for VP was a mistake since foreign policy is Biden's particular field of expertise.

The nation needed someone with practical expertise...as you suggest...a Michael Bloomberg.

I suggested Evan Bayh for VPbecause he was from a red state. He had done a lot of work on small business and job creation issues -- and he has an ability to speak to red staters about the issues at hand. I think we are starting to see that the deficit in the White House leadership is coming with regard to dealing with Congress...and domestic policy.

Tip O'Neil was effective in Congress. Truly, that is where the greatest problem exists. I do not think he would be that effective as a VP, but I could be wrong.

I think part of it is the reality that the moderate Republicans have been removed from Congress so the only Republicans left to a great extent are the radicals.

This is contrasted against the Democratic Party which has been moving to the right...at least in the Senate. So, those moderate Republicans have largely been replaced by conservative Democrats. The result is gridlock because these new Democrats believe that a more moderate approach is necessary, while the House believes it has to advance a more progressive approach to stay loyal to its constituents.

I believe that the reality in the Senate was part of the reason that Obama's State of the Union Address was pretty moderate...embracing many conservative ideas like promoting lending for community banks...etc.



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It's surprising how little alteration it requires to re-write the Declaration too, to make it address our current situation:

TO THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES:

A DECLARATION

CONCERNING THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE OF THE

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for the people to renounce the political bands which have connected them with their government, and to reclaim among the powers of the earth, the equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to that renunciation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Such has been the patient sufferance of the American people; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to renounce the conduct of their Government. The history of the present Government of the United States is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over its People. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

CONCERNING THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES:
You have abused the electoral system to guarantee returns for incumbents, and allowed our elections to become advertising campaigns controlled by Monied Interests.
You have ceased to write our Nation’s Laws, allowing them to be written instead by those same Monied Interests that finance your election campaigns.
You have ceased to publicly debate or even read, before enacting, the Laws that Monied Interests write for you.
You have abdicated your responsibility to declare War and secure Peace.
You have saddled the People with the Gambling Debts of the Wall Street Bankers, and in so doing thrown our Nation into Bankruptcy.

IN SUMMATION:
Ninety-eight per cent of Congressional seats are now held by incumbents; a percentage matched only by fraudulent democracies and de facto tyrannies like the former Soviet Union. Those seats are controlled by Special Monied Interests that run our political system, write our laws in their own interests, exchange the Rights of our People for the Privileges of the Oligarchy, and saddle us with Perpetual War.

CONCERNING THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH OF THE UNITED STATES:
You have violated the Fourth Amendment guarantee against unreasonable Search and Seizure, and issued Warrants without Probable Cause.
You have violated the Fifth Amendment guarantee of due process of law, targeting your own citizens for extra-legal assassination.
You have violated the Sixth Amendment guarantee of a public Trial by Jury.
You have violated the Eighth Amendment guarantee prohibiting Cruel and Unusual Punishment with a reign of Torture.
You have saddled the People with the Expense of maintaining in Peacetime a Standing Army of Two Million Professional and Mercenary Soldiers.
You have built a Thousand Military Bases in 110 Countries Worldwide, and subverted the United States from a Republic to a Military Empire.
You have asserted fraudulent Casus Belli to bend the People’s Will to the Hostile Designs of War.
You have made war on countries--Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan--that pose no threat to the American people and desire no conflict with us.
You have abused the Citizens with Propaganda Campaigns to promote these Wars.
You have allowed the Secret Police Forces of the CIA, the NSA, the FBI, and the Military Police to spy upon, arrest, imprison without charges, and torture his own citizens.


IN SUMMATION:
You have lied about Iraqi Weaponry, the Perpetrators of the Anthrax Attack, and the Perpetrators of 9/11; and used those lies to justify the Desecration of our Rights, and the Fearmongering and Warmongering Campaigns that preceded your Armed Invasion of the Middle East. You have allowed the Military Forces and the Secret Police of this country to wrest control from their Civil Authority, and embark on a campaign of world domination that requires as a corollary the usurpation of the fundamental rights of the Citizens of the United States.


In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Government whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyranny, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our brethren in Government. We have warned you from time to time of your attempts to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded you that our rights under the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are Inalienable. We have appealed to your native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured you by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. You have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold you, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Citizens of the united States of America, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of this Country, solemnly publish and declare, That these Citizens of the United States are, and of Right ought to be Free and Vested in Liberty; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the Government of the United States, and that all political connection between them and the Government, is and ought to be totally dissolved until that Government restores the Rights and Liberties it has unlawfully taken from us; and that as Free and Independent Citizens, we have full Power to create a New Government, and to do all other Acts and Things which Free Citizens may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
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QUOTE(Snuffysmith @ Feb 9 2010, 03:52 PM) *
It's surprising how little alteration it requires to re-write the Declaration too, to make it address our current situation:

TO THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES:

A DECLARATION

CONCERNING THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE OF THE

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for the people to renounce the political bands which have connected them with their government, and to reclaim among the powers of the earth, the equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to that renunciation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Such has been the patient sufferance of the American people; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to renounce the conduct of their Government. The history of the present Government of the United States is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over its People. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

CONCERNING THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES:
You have abused the electoral system to guarantee returns for incumbents, and allowed our elections to become advertising campaigns controlled by Monied Interests.
You have ceased to write our Nation’s Laws, allowing them to be written instead by those same Monied Interests that finance your election campaigns.
You have ceased to publicly debate or even read, before enacting, the Laws that Monied Interests write for you.
You have abdicated your responsibility to declare War and secure Peace.
You have saddled the People with the Gambling Debts of the Wall Street Bankers, and in so doing thrown our Nation into Bankruptcy.

IN SUMMATION:
Ninety-eight per cent of Congressional seats are now held by incumbents; a percentage matched only by fraudulent democracies and de facto tyrannies like the former Soviet Union. Those seats are controlled by Special Monied Interests that run our political system, write our laws in their own interests, exchange the Rights of our People for the Privileges of the Oligarchy, and saddle us with Perpetual War.

CONCERNING THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH OF THE UNITED STATES:
You have violated the Fourth Amendment guarantee against unreasonable Search and Seizure, and issued Warrants without Probable Cause.
You have violated the Fifth Amendment guarantee of due process of law, targeting your own citizens for extra-legal assassination.
You have violated the Sixth Amendment guarantee of a public Trial by Jury.
You have violated the Eighth Amendment guarantee prohibiting Cruel and Unusual Punishment with a reign of Torture.
You have saddled the People with the Expense of maintaining in Peacetime a Standing Army of Two Million Professional and Mercenary Soldiers.
You have built a Thousand Military Bases in 110 Countries Worldwide, and subverted the United States from a Republic to a Military Empire.
You have asserted fraudulent Casus Belli to bend the People’s Will to the Hostile Designs of War.
You have made war on countries--Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan--that pose no threat to the American people and desire no conflict with us.
You have abused the Citizens with Propaganda Campaigns to promote these Wars.
You have allowed the Secret Police Forces of the CIA, the NSA, the FBI, and the Military Police to spy upon, arrest, imprison without charges, and torture his own citizens.


IN SUMMATION:
You have lied about Iraqi Weaponry, the Perpetrators of the Anthrax Attack, and the Perpetrators of 9/11; and used those lies to justify the Desecration of our Rights, and the Fearmongering and Warmongering Campaigns that preceded your Armed Invasion of the Middle East. You have allowed the Military Forces and the Secret Police of this country to wrest control from their Civil Authority, and embark on a campaign of world domination that requires as a corollary the usurpation of the fundamental rights of the Citizens of the United States.


In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Government whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyranny, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our brethren in Government. We have warned you from time to time of your attempts to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded you that our rights under the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are Inalienable. We have appealed to your native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured you by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. You have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold you, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Citizens of the united States of America, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of this Country, solemnly publish and declare, That these Citizens of the United States are, and of Right ought to be Free and Vested in Liberty; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the Government of the United States, and that all political connection between them and the Government, is and ought to be totally dissolved until that Government restores the Rights and Liberties it has unlawfully taken from us; and that as Free and Independent Citizens, we have full Power to create a New Government, and to do all other Acts and Things which Free Citizens may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.


WOW!!

That's saying it as is. Quite a document. Just a few years ago people would read that and think " What's that all about ?

Now, practically everyone who reads it - understands "

A.B.

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AMEN, Mr. A.B. ....
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