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QUOTE(ConcernedObserver @ Oct 6 2006, 12:59 PM) Gaby, that's understandable and human but its not very smart if you will excuse my being blunt. Tit for Tat may feel good for the moment but it doesn't win anything. In fact most times it guarantees failure because one is so busy getting even that they lose sight of the goal. And it is guaranteed to rally the opposition forces.  Oh, all right. I see your point. I was just wanting to kick up my heels a bit and try to forget all about this past week. But I'll mind my manners - at least until tonight after everybody's had a few drinks... 
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Oct 6 2006, 11:04 AM
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QUOTE(ConcernedObserver @ Oct 6 2006, 12:59 PM) Gaby, that's understandable and human but its not very smart if you will excuse my being blunt. Tit for Tat may feel good for the moment but it doesn't win anything. In fact most times it guarantees failure because one is so busy getting even that they lose sight of the goal. And it is guaranteed to rally the opposition forces. If she just wants to chuckle to herself, that is one thing. But trying to use this in public would be quite another. But as you, Tomyhe, I and even Mr. Jim have pointed out, we don't even know that this means anything about him other than he's trying to save some money. People might be chuckling over nothing. -------------------- It is better to light one candle than to curse the darkness.
The right-wing hates our freedom. "If there is class warfare in this country then my class is winning." Warren Buffet "I've got no illusions about the democratic leadership. I just think any real change requires the left to get its own act together and not sit around demanding things that probably won't happen. Real change is going to require a coherent grass-roots movement, and it will require continued work long beyond 2008." Progressive Phoenix "Por que te no callas?" El Rey Carlos de Espana al Presidente Hugo Chavez. "What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them - that the stale political arguments that have consumed us for so long no longer apply." President Barack Obama, January 20, 2009 "The left...too often prefers a glorious defeat to an incremental victory." Paul Begala |
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Oct 6 2006, 11:07 AM
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QUOTE(ConcernedObserver @ Oct 6 2006, 11:11 AM) If Dems and their supporters are half smart they won't touch this one with a ten foot pole. Hastert's sexual orientation is not the issue. Nor is the fact he shares accommodation with two staffers indicative of anything other than perhaps convenience. Personally I don't care if Hastert likes goats as long as he does it on his own time and doesn't allow it to influence his positions on animal welfare. I am firmly in CO's corner here- along with Brookiesgram, Arne, Tomhye... and whoever has responded in kind in the time it took me to type this post. -------------------- Let us remember that we are here in an attempt to find common ground by using common sense. "I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent." ~Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi |
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Oct 6 2006, 11:08 AM
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QUOTE(Gabrielle @ Oct 6 2006, 01:02 PM) Oh, all right. I see your point. I was just wanting to kick up my heels a bit and try to forget all about this past week. But I'll mind my manners - at least until tonight after everybody's had a few drinks... a more positive direction for the amusement and enjoyment would be to sit back and watch the GOP and their circular firing squad which is now fully loaded and firing. Its a refreshing change from watching Dems do it as they have so often in the past with the inevitable results. Its their turn. Don't distract their attention from their targets. -------------------- If future generations are to remember us with gratitude rather than contempt, we must leave them more than the miracles of technology. We must leave them a glimpse of the world as it was in the beginning, not just after we got through with it.
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Oct 6 2006, 11:10 AM
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QUOTE(ConcernedObserver @ Oct 6 2006, 10:08 AM) a more positive direction for the amusement and enjoyment would be to sit back and watch the GOP and their circular firing squad which is now fully loaded and firing. Its a refreshing change from watching Dems do it as they have so often in the past with the inevitable results. Its their turn. Don't distract their attention from their targets. and let's hope they all aim low. |
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Oct 6 2006, 11:10 AM
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QUOTE(ConcernedObserver @ Oct 6 2006, 01:08 PM) Its their turn. Don't distract their attention from their targets. OK, will do. Well, it was funny for the whole 1 1/2 minute or so I got to enjoy it without my cortex getting involved. sigh... |
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Oct 6 2006, 11:14 AM
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QUOTE(Gabrielle @ Oct 6 2006, 01:10 PM) OK, will do. Well, it was funny for the whole 1 1/2 minute or so I got to enjoy it without my cortex getting involved. sigh... Nothing says you can't enjoy it Gaby  But I'm a skeptic and I wouldn't put it past Rove, for example, to be throwing things like this out there to do as I said ... distract and redeploy forces.
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Oct 6 2006, 11:17 AM
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QUOTE(ConcernedObserver @ Oct 6 2006, 01:14 PM) Nothing says you can't enjoy it Gaby But I'm a skeptic and I wouldn't put it past Rove, for example, to be throwing things like this out there to do as I said ... distract and redeploy forces.I agree, CO. Seems like he's done this to us before. Better to not get in their way, as you say, when they're in a middle of a circular firing squad. Well, I'll just go finish up the next few hours of the week's work and then check in later tonight. 
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Oct 6 2006, 11:21 AM
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Well, I am a fairly outspoken advocate of outing closeted gay Republicans, but I don't think it's something the Democratic Party or other politicians should touch. (Although it should be noted that apparently somebody in his own party turned in Foley, for whatever reasons.)
Let the gay press or some left-wing nutcase blogger do it. However, if I were going to run with this, I would want more evidence than Hastert sharing an apartment with his aides in Washington. Does he go to gay bars, have a boyfriend, etc.? Well, if nothing else, it would prove gay men come in all shapes and sizes
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Oct 6 2006, 11:34 AM
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10.05.2006
Closeted Gay Republicans and a Party in Political Free-Fall by Lawrence O'Donnell The LA Times has outed Kirk Fordham today. He will not be the last closeted gay Republican outed by this scandal. Today's NY Times has a chart that outlines the "key communications" in the House of Representatives about Mark Foley's inappropriate contact with pages. More than one of the names in the chart, which includes Kirk Fordham, are rumored to be closeted gay Republicans who have been working at the highest levels of the Republican leadership. They have been looking at their names in print for the last couple of days and no doubt fearing for their futures in a Party that is in political free-fall. Are ambitious closeted gay Republican officials, the most reliable people Speaker Hastert could have delegated the Foley problem to last year? Obviously not. Heat on a closeted gay Republican in the House is heat on all closeted gay Republicans in the House. The most innocent Foley emails were enough to worry the parents of the recipient. They were enough to worry the closeted gay Republicans too. But the closeted gay Republicans were perfectly positioned in the House to make the problem disappear. Now two Republican staffers are locked in a credibility contest: it's Kirk Fordham v. Scott Palmer, Hastert's chief of staff. Palmer flatly denies that Fordham warned him about Foley. Hastert's political life depends entirely on Scott Palmer's credibility. I can't find anyone in Washington who knows Palmer who thinks his credibility can survive this test. It's no accident that the first call for Hastert's resignation came from Tony Blankley, Newt Gingrich's former press secretary. Tony knows that the scandal cannot die as long as Hastert and his staff are still in the building. The Republican base--the Evangelical get-out-the-vote troops--are going to be devastated when they discover how many closeted gay Republicans were involved in policing Mark Foley in the House of Representatives. Republican House members know this. That's why momentum is building for a very quick House cleaning and a new Speaker by next week. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lawrence-odo...s-_b_31040.html |
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