Pell Grant - Federal Student Aid, Could Affect 1 Mil Students Options

[flydangler]

What you need to do, as I would tell my students who ask questions, is to do your research:  you need to answer your own question and claim which is that tuition costs have skyrocketed because of colleges gouging

It wasn't a claim, just a question based on something you'd said. I thought maybe you had some insight or information I hadn't yet seen. Methinks either I was wrong, or you don't have a clue either. Your response was similar to those I've seen from teachers who knew not of what they spoke.

[barkeeper]

while you may deal with a larger percentage of alcoholics than I do, let me tell you something about being a teacher in an urban school, you see the sides of American life that don't get reported, I can't say I've seen it all cause then I will see something completely new.  We are seeing the firsthand effects of poverty, budget slashing, the disasterous NCLB, and of course the fact that this country does not care about its children(lip service just doesn't cut it) on a daily basis.  Now, that's an education and a reality you can't get serving martinis.

Everytime education is cut, a child suffers.  Like the saying goes, "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance."  Speaking of my kids, govt assistance, such as the Pell grant will make a positive difference in their lives.  When that assistance gets slashed so Mr. billionaire can stop paying taxes, another opportunity to advance oneself vanishes.  The same peopel calling for these cuts seem to have their priorites out of whack:  funding grants and providing aid to education is less expensive than funding a single prisoner, which now amounts to a whopping $40,000 a year; heck for that money, think of all the kids wwe could send to college!!

Seems I cut a little close to home, yes? By the numbers:"budget slashing", the overall budget and numbers of students eligible for grants has increased, and by the way, ultraist, the "top 5%" was percentage of those eligible for grants, not total pop and I stand by that. At the time daughter was in school, teacher 7, tuition et al cost us just north of $5,000 a year, I checked recently and that would now be about $6,500, same university. Tight budget, yes; possible without loans or public largesse, also yes.

Not to be rude teacher, but barkeeper can spell "people", "priorities", "disastrous" and "we"; barkeeper knows that if one capitalizes "Mr." one should also capitalize "Billionaire", and that "one's self" is properly two words. This is all quite unfair of me; barkeeper did not suffer a college education that emphasized education theory over the subject matter to be taught, a priority that barkeeper does find to have been disastrous for the young people subjected to its output.

Barkeeper does think that by one route or another, any qualified child should have access to post-secondary education, but "qualified" no longer seems to have any real meaning. In barkeeper's day college freshmen did not spend their first year in remedial classes learning things they should have mastered in high school.

Rla, Barkeeper does not think that 4 years universal public education after high school should be a given. When son graduated high school, he had no interest in further academics. He followed his path and is now happy as a supervisor in an auto repair shop doing something he does like.

Just by the bye, barkeeper has almost always done that as a second job, along with computer operation, carpentery, driving and whatever else lets barkeeper pay the bills and still pursue the real hobbies; writing and politics.

In closing to all and sundry, do NOT, without having been there, DO NOT denigrate your local barkeep. I have waited on and chatted with a spectrum of humanity that ranges from common drunks, to a sitting state Governer, to US Senators, and I still get Christmas cards from some of them. If you think the full measure of a man is defined by his occupation or his income, I will suggest you are less "liberal and progressive" than you like to think yourselves.

[barkeeper]

My apologies teacher 731, I must be getting tired and sloppy. "Everytime" is definitely two words. As a truly talented 10th grade English teacher metaphorically beat into our heads, "like" is not a synonym of "as". Out of curiosity, does anyone this side of William Safire even recognise, let alone teach the gerund case?

[ultraist]

Seems I cut a little close to home, yes? By the numbers:"budget slashing", the overall budget  and numbers of students eligible for grants has increased, and by the way, ultraist, the "top 5%" was percentage of those eligible for grants, not total pop and I stand by that. At the time daughter was in school, teacher 7, tuition et al cost us just north of $5,000 a year, I checked recently and that would now be about $6,500, same university. Tight budget, yes; possible without loans or public largesse, also yes.

Not to be rude teacher, but barkeeper can spell "people", "priorities", "disastrous" and "we"; barkeeper knows that if one capitalizes "Mr." one should also capitalize "Billionaire", and that "one's self" is properly two words. This is all quite unfair of me; barkeeper did not suffer a college education that emphasized education theory over the subject matter to be taught, a priority that barkeeper does find to have been disastrous for the young people subjected to its output.

Barkeeper does think that by one route or another, any qualified child should have access to post-secondary education, but "qualified" no longer seems to have any real meaning. In barkeeper's day college freshmen did not spend their first year in remedial classes learning things they should have mastered in high school.  

Rla, Barkeeper does not think that 4 years universal public education after high school should be a given. When son graduated high school, he had no interest in further academics. He followed his path and is now happy as a supervisor in an auto repair shop doing something he does like.

Just by the bye, barkeeper has almost always done that as a second job, along with computer operation, carpentery, driving and whatever else lets barkeeper pay the bills and still pursue the real hobbies; writing and politics.

In closing to all and sundry, do NOT, without having been there, DO NOT denigrate your local barkeep. I have waited on and chatted with a spectrum of humanity that ranges from common drunks, to a sitting state Governer, to  US Senators, and I still get Christmas cards from some of them. If you think the full measure of a man is defined by his occupation or his income, I will suggest you are less "liberal and progressive" than you like to think yourselves.

If you paid all of your bills and the tuition (you didn't list books/fees) your mortgage must have been REALLY low.

I don't think anyone has stated that "a full measure of a man is his occupation or income."

BTW, your use of the semicolon is incorrect. Also, your use of et al is incorrect. I just thought I'd point that out since you are correcting grammatical errors in others' posts. :D

We don't really get uptight about typos around here, so don't sweat it.

This post has been edited by ultraist: Jan 1 2005, 11:19 PM

[barkeeper]

If you paid all of your bills and the tuition (you didn't list books/fees) your mortgage must have been REALLY low.

I don't think anyone has stated that "a full measure of a man is his occupation or income."

BTW, your use of the semicolon is incorrect.  Also, your use of et al is incorrect. I just thought I'd point that out since you are correcting grammatical errors in others' posts.  :D

We don't really get uptight about typos around here, so don't sweat it. 

Mortgage was and is about $400 a month, got a good deal in a small city. OK, et al should have been etc. which might have more clearly included books/fees, which we did pay. Semicolon, my read is, arguable, primarily used for emphasis in this instance. No one used the quote "measure of a man", but I think you would have to agree references to "alcoholics" and "escape reality" were less than respectful of the job.

[teacher731]

Mortgage was and is about $400 a month, got a good deal in a small city. OK, et al should have been etc. which might have more clearly included books/fees, which we did pay. Semicolon, my read is, arguable, primarily used for emphasis in this instance. No one used the quote "measure of a man", but I think you would have to agree references to "alcoholics" and "escape reality" were less than respectful of the job.

the thing that's getting lost here is the fact that the Pell Grant primarily benefits students who come from low-income households. if this program is gutted or cut, these kids may not realize their full potential and that's an awful waste. we already have a high prison population (where ironically they get many of the things denied to them as free citizens by this fraud of a govt), and we don't need to add to that. And, they shouldn't have to suffer in a dead-end job with a dead-end company like WalFart or Mickie D's.

[kindergarten tea...]

Federal funding. Push to maximize federal funding for public education, particularly for Title I, IDEA, teacher quality, Pell Grants, E-Rate, and other critical programs. Work to block any newly proposed subsidies of private and religious K–12 education and minimize further erosion of the federal government's overall revenue-raising capacity.


How DOES the federal government do revenue-raising? Why or how is it being eroded? This is an area I know nothing about.

KT

[ultraist]

Federal funding. Push to maximize federal funding for public education, particularly for Title I, IDEA, teacher quality, Pell Grants, E-Rate, and other critical programs. Work to block any newly proposed subsidies of private and religious K–12 education and minimize further erosion of the federal government's overall revenue-raising capacity.
How DOES the federal government do revenue-raising?  Why or how is it being eroded?  This is an area I know nothing about.

KT

I think more money could come from both a local level & federal for public education. Raising property taxes has worked well in many areas and the areas with the highest property taxes have the best schools.

They could also increase inheritance taxes and capital gains to generate money on a federal level.

Both of the increases would hit the wealthiest the hardest. The majority of property taxes come from corporations and landlords. The middle and lower classes rarely pay capital gains or inheritance taxes anyway.

This post has been edited by ultraist: Jan 3 2005, 09:20 PM

[ultraist]

Mortgage was and is about $400 a month, got a good deal in a small city. OK, et al should have been etc. which might have more clearly included books/fees, which we did pay. Semicolon, my read is, arguable, primarily used for emphasis in this instance. No one used the quote "measure of a man", but I think you would have to agree references to "alcoholics" and "escape reality" were less than respectful of the job.

I agree, it was a backhanded dig on your job. That is a very low mortgage payment. You are in a good position with that. Most people who pay that are renters who dump their money each month into a landlord's investment to live in a studio apartment.

[teacher731]

Federal funding. Push to maximize federal funding for public education, particularly for Title I, IDEA, teacher quality, Pell Grants, E-Rate, and other critical programs. Work to block any newly proposed subsidies of private and religious K–12 education and minimize further erosion of the federal government's overall revenue-raising capacity.
How DOES the federal government do revenue-raising?  Why or how is it being eroded?  This is an area I know nothing about.

KT

The ultra right-wing of the Republican party and present administration have many things in common, but especially this one: they don't like federal programs that work, such as Headstart, pell grants, and now the scare and fear tactics used to make us worried that social security is about to bust. remember, this is coming from a guy who assured us that there were WMD designed to kill us, and uses God's name in vain everytime to justify his insanity.