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Dec 12 2004, 03:21 PM
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ABC's simulation: spectacular disinformation
Jim Fetzer (Reader Weekly 6 November 2003, p. 18) ABC has announced a simulation of the death of President John F. Kennedy will be broadcast as part of a two-hour special on Thursday, 20 November 2003. The study supports the official Warren Commission conclusion that Lee Oswald acted alone. According to one release, Dale Myers, an award-winning animator, has spent the past decade creating a computer-generated reconstruction of the assassination based upon maps, blueprints, physical measurements, more than 500 photographs, the Zapruder film, and the official autopsy report. The program will be narrated by Peter Jennings. “There has been so much innuendo and presumption in the conspiracy theories that, on this 40th anniversary of the President's murder, the subject cries out for review”, said Jennings. According to the program's executive producer, Tom Yellin, “It leaves no room for doubt!” He calls the results of ABC's study “enormously powerful. It's irrefutable.” Yellin's declarations, however, leave some room for doubt and raise the suspicion that this broadcast may actually be an exercise in disinformation on a spectacular scale. Even in pure mathematics, proofs are only irrefutable relative to an assumed set of assumptions. That the interior angles of a triangle equal 180 degrees, for example, is true in plane geometry but not in spherical or in hyperbolic. That this program, which vindicates The Warren Report (1964), is not "irrefutable" is easy to demonstrate. There were at least two shots from the front—one of which hit Jack's neck, the other his right temple—and a shot from behind his his back about 5 ½ inches below the collar. If there were shooters in front and the "magic bullet" theory—which assumes that the shot to the back hit at the base of the back of his neck—is false, The Warren Report is not only "refutable" but has actually been "refuted"! Even Gerald Ford admitted that he had had the description of the wound to the back changed to "the base of the back of the neck", which otherwise destroyed the "magic bullet" theory before it was launched. And David W. Mantik, M.D., Ph.D., has taken a CAT scan of a patient with neck and chest dimensions similar to those of President Kennedy and has demonstrated that no bullet could have passed through the neck without hitting any bony structures, as the “magic bullet” theory requires. So the "magic bullet" theory is not only false but provably false and not even anatomically possible—which not only refutes The Warren Report (1964) but also The House Select Committee on Assassinations Report (1979) and Gerald Posner's Case Closed (1963), all of which take the "magic bullet" for granted. So what's going on here? GI/GO, "garbage in/garbage out", is an axiom of computer science. A phony "computer reconstruction" appears as a diagram in Case Closed, but data about the President's position, the location of the limousine and his wounds' exact properties are not provided. Indeed, that kind of information even in grossly inaccurate forms is not to be found in the pages of this book. Shots to the throat and to the right temple from in front were widely reported on radio and television that day. Studies now published in Assassination Science and in Murder in Dealey Plaza have shown that those reports were correct. Posner, like the HSCA before him, represents trajectories by using "cones". So where are the computer reconstruction "cones" for these shots? If this is indeed a Posnerite reconstruction, then where is the data on which the reconstruction is allegedly based? Such a reconstruction has to assume that the Zapruder film is authentic, that the autopsy report is correct, and all the rest—hook, line, and sinker. Any computer reconstruction must be based upon assumptions and data. What data did Dale Myers assume about the location of the limousine, the position of the President's body, and the trajectories based upon the wounds? The limo's location is clearly up for grabs, especially because of uncertainty about when shots were even fired. So when were the shots fired, according to Myers? This is even separate from the possibility that the limo was some 30-40 feet further down Elm Street, which is discussed in The Great Zapruder Film Hoax (2003). Moreover, Stewart Galano r, Cover-Up (1998), has juxtaposed Warren Commission drawings of the trajectory with the position of the President's head in frame 312 of the film, which the government contends was the last frame before the fatal head shot. When it is properly oriented, however, the trajectory has a slightly upward direction, which, given the slop of Elm Street, appears to be consistent with a shot from the Dal-Tex Building but not from the Book Depository. And does anyone think the massive, messy, wound to the head allowed any precise measurements about the trajectory? Without them, there can be no calculation of any trajectory and no foundation for simulation. So the government's own evidence contradicts the government's own official findings—and provides no foundation for a “computer reconstruction” of the assassination. Study the autopsy report, which may be found in Assassination Science, Appendix F, and tell me where you find the kind of data that would be required for an "irrefutable computer reconstruction"? It is not there. And if it is not there, it does not exist. The fellow who drew the diagrams—H. Rydberg—was not even allowed to view the body. So his drawings showed whatever he was instructed to draw. There is no basis here for the kind of data an accurate comp uterized reconstruction would require. What we know now disproves the “magic bullet” theory on many different grounds. Consider: JFK's jacket shows a bullet hole about 5 ½ inches below the collar. His shirt also shows a bullet hole about 5 ½ inches below the collar. Autopsy pathologist J. Thornton Boswell diagrammed a wound about 5 ½ inches below the collar—a diagram verified by the President's personal physician. And FBI Agent James Sibert, who observed the autopsy on behalf of J. Edgar Hoover, its Director, shows the wound to the back well below the wound to the throat. The President's personal physician, moreover, identified a wound at the same location in his death certificate. The mortician who prepared the body for burial also describes it. And reenactment photographs show the President's stand- in with a large, circular patch about 5 ½ inches below his collar. And The New York Times (3 July 1997) reported that Gerald Ford had acknowledged having the description of the wound moved upward from “the uppermost back” (which is already an exaggeration) to “the base of the back of the neck”. If the shot to the back hit about 5 /12 inches below the collar, as all of this evidence implies, then it did not hit at the base of the back of the neck. If it did not hit at the base of the back of the neck, then the "magic bullet" theory is false. If the "magic bullet" theory is false, then the wound to the throat and wounds to Texas Governor John Connally have to be explained on the basis of other shots and other shooters. Other shots and other shooters, in turn, imply a conspiracy to kill the President. That means every study based upon it—including The Warren Report, The HSCA Report, Case Closed, and ABC's simulations—are inconsistent with the evidence and cannot be sustained. There was no magic bullet. Which means there is no foundation for ABC's computer simulation.These points reflect the obvious. Any computerized reconstruction must be based upon a reconstruction. The foundation for this fantasy is taking The Warren Report itself as the basis for this simulation. It then becomes painfully apparent why this computerized simulation matches The Warren Report : it takes The Warren Report for granted! Yet The Warren Report suffers from the problems identified above, which introduce outright falsehoods and uncertainties that are not even measurable in their magnitude. GI/GO is the right attitude to adopt about this simulation. ABC has begged the question by taking for granted the conclusion to its own study. Coming soon on network TV. _______________________________ Jim Fetzer, a professor of philosophy, is the editor of Assassination Science (1998), Murder in Dealey Plaza (2000), and The Great Zapruder Film Hoax (2003). He has made more than 250 radio talk shows appearances discussing the death of JFK. |
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Dec 12 2004, 04:07 PM
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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,836 Joined: 8-November 04 From: Notlob, MassaBLUEsetts Member No.: 2,142 |
Sheesh, don't get me started!
I bet they do not mention the acoustic proof that at least 4 shots were fired. -------------------- "Far too often we become cowards when faced with individuals who have strong leadership abilities, individuals who often do not want social revolution as much as they want personal power. Far too often, we follow blindly – without questioning their motives, without examining their actions. We follow blindly because what they say they want to do sounds right. We follow because we are afraid that those around us will misunderstand our questions and put us down..." ~ Shirley Chisholm
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Dec 12 2004, 04:15 PM
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ABC has already proven how credible they are on recent history,(ie. Matthew Shepard Hate Crime.) They lost me as a viewer on that 20/20 special, so it
hardly matters what they air, I won't be watching it. |
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Dec 12 2004, 04:45 PM
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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 198 Joined: 5-November 04 From: Canada Member No.: 231 |
http://assassinationresearch.com/articles/lonenutter.html
Check out the above site. It's got photos of JFK's jacket and shirt and the autopsy drawings which each show a hole 5 inches below the neck line. Oswald was 6 stories up and about 270 feet away. Kennedy would have to have been just about standing on his head for that bullet to have gone upwards!! All people have to do is think about it. How the hell is that shot possible! The slope of the street wasn't nearly that much. |
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Dec 12 2004, 06:27 PM
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![]() Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,938 Joined: 5-November 04 From: Tennessee Member No.: 126 |
What's with these neocons trying to rewrite history? I wish we could unlock those documents now. <_<
QUOTE(PaineInTheArse @ Dec 12 2004, 05:07 PM)
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Dec 12 2004, 06:38 PM
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Just a note-isn't this article something that happened 11/20/2003?
Over a year ago? Not recent? No excuse for ABC after the Matthew Shepard crap...and they say Disney(ABC owner)is liberal...ha ha ha -------------------- Still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest-Paul Simon
Bobby dreamed things that never were and say "Why not?" TEDDY made those dreams come alive and be a reality. RE-ELECT BARACK OBAMA 2012 HILLARY CLINTON VICE PRESIDENT "Because Rosa sat,Martin walked.And because Martin walked,Barack ran."-author unknown, posted by jeffmoskin here. Living was seeing Martin die, so Jesse could be seen crying tears of happiness 11/4/08 in the park after seeing the impossible happen "God bless Obama. God bless America. And God bless the others outside our borders." - Kris Kristofferson Irving Berlin did NOT write God BLESSED America. It was a plea, for God TO bless America. First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win - Gandhi "News is what somebody somewhere doesn't want you to know. All the rest is advertising."- DAN RATHER I'd rather have the right to do something, than the right to stop someone else"-David Souter There is no planning.On the night it is really great, it’s euphoria[color="#0000FF"]and if it is not so great there is always tomorrow night.-Honesty is the single most important factor in having a direct bearing on the final success of an individual, corporation, or product. Ed McMahon...Heerrrrrrrrrrre's Eddie"...the angels announcing Ed at the gates of heaven-R.I.P. Ed,God must have needed a second banana |
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Dec 12 2004, 06:48 PM
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![]() Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,938 Joined: 5-November 04 From: Tennessee Member No.: 126 |
The pro-Bushie's say all the media is liberal and Fox is fair and balanced.
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Dec 12 2004, 07:38 PM)
-------------------- "When I feed the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist."
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Dec 12 2004, 07:25 PM
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It was from 2003 but some people reading this site might have seen it. It's a good criticism of the show. ABC replayed it again last month and it is disinformation. People who have only seen this show will be mislead. A person is just supposed to take the word of the show that the computer animation is accurate. Just because the person presenting the computer analysis said he had been analyzing this for 10 years doesn't mean a thing. Some JFK experts have been analyzing the cover-up and the single-bullet theory for 30 years. They agree it was a cover-up and a conspiracy.
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Dec 12 2004, 11:15 PM
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![]() Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,938 Joined: 5-November 04 From: Tennessee Member No.: 126 |
It's just like that video game. "We just want to teach history." Yeah, right. And I'm Santa Claus.
QUOTE(A. Canuck @ Dec 12 2004, 08:25 PM) It was from 2003 but some people reading this site might have seen it. It's a good criticism of the show. ABC replayed it again last month and it is disinformation. People who have only seen this show will be mislead. A person is just supposed to take the word of the show that the computer animation is accurate. Just because the person presenting the computer analysis said he had been analyzing this for 10 years doesn't mean a thing. Some JFK experts have been analyzing the cover-up and the single-bullet theory for 30 years. They agree it was a cover-up and a conspiracy.
-------------------- "When I feed the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist."
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Dec 12 2004, 11:19 PM
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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,836 Joined: 8-November 04 From: Notlob, MassaBLUEsetts Member No.: 2,142 |
QUOTE(A. Canuck @ Dec 12 2004, 09:25 PM) Some JFK experts have been analyzing the cover-up and the single-bullet theory for 30 years. They agree it was a cover-up and a conspiracy. And we all know who invented the SBT???? Arlan Spector :o -------------------- "Far too often we become cowards when faced with individuals who have strong leadership abilities, individuals who often do not want social revolution as much as they want personal power. Far too often, we follow blindly – without questioning their motives, without examining their actions. We follow blindly because what they say they want to do sounds right. We follow because we are afraid that those around us will misunderstand our questions and put us down..." ~ Shirley Chisholm
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Dec 13 2004, 06:15 AM
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With an amateurishly botched autopsy, a laughable attempt at security at the time of the assasination, a hopelessly ineffective reaction to events, and the Warren Report itself (silly flawed design to prove a preconcieved conclusion rather than gather facts), it's no wonder conspiracy theories still flourish.
If the assassination demonstrates one thing it's that highly paid professionals involved with government agencies can, and do demonstrate the highest levels of incompetence. And it's even worse today. |
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Dec 13 2004, 11:29 AM
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There's been about a 1000 books written on JFK and Nov. 22 and they can't all be wrong. A lot of conspiracy theories are wrong, but it doesn't mean they all are. That's what happens when there's freedom of speech. Everyone gets to express their view. If the view is based on facts it will survive. If it isn't it will get destroyed by the facts.
People have tried to confuse and complicate the issue by misrepresenting the facts. Then they force people to search and find out for themselves what is real and what isn't. That's what makes it complicated. A lot of people don't believe that the government would cover something like this up. They think government officials would never lie! People need to know the facts. They need to know that their government lied to them because they will do it again, and again. What kind of country can survive when their people are being lied to constantly by their government. That's why the U.S. is going downhill at the moment. The lies are destroying it from the inside. Most media won't do the tough stories. They don't want to hurt their careers. People need to stop this. |
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Dec 13 2004, 11:33 AM
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Like the phony stuff about 9-11 "they" shoved down our throats, the more "they"
say we are nuts and conspiracy theorists, the more likely I know we are correct. There are those on the other side that say Al Gore lost in 2000 too, and we know they are lying there... Bush=Conspiracy 50 years and counting of creating events and then saying you are nuts for beliving things didn't happen the way that we were told -------------------- Still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest-Paul Simon
Bobby dreamed things that never were and say "Why not?" TEDDY made those dreams come alive and be a reality. RE-ELECT BARACK OBAMA 2012 HILLARY CLINTON VICE PRESIDENT "Because Rosa sat,Martin walked.And because Martin walked,Barack ran."-author unknown, posted by jeffmoskin here. Living was seeing Martin die, so Jesse could be seen crying tears of happiness 11/4/08 in the park after seeing the impossible happen "God bless Obama. God bless America. And God bless the others outside our borders." - Kris Kristofferson Irving Berlin did NOT write God BLESSED America. It was a plea, for God TO bless America. First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win - Gandhi "News is what somebody somewhere doesn't want you to know. All the rest is advertising."- DAN RATHER I'd rather have the right to do something, than the right to stop someone else"-David Souter There is no planning.On the night it is really great, it’s euphoria[color="#0000FF"]and if it is not so great there is always tomorrow night.-Honesty is the single most important factor in having a direct bearing on the final success of an individual, corporation, or product. Ed McMahon...Heerrrrrrrrrrre's Eddie"...the angels announcing Ed at the gates of heaven-R.I.P. Ed,God must have needed a second banana |
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Dec 13 2004, 11:36 AM
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Someone passed out the Koolaid at ABC. Why are they spoon feeding us this junk?
-------------------- All it takes for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing. ~ Edmund Burke
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Dec 13 2004, 11:46 AM
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![]() Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,938 Joined: 5-November 04 From: Tennessee Member No.: 126 |
LOL government people not lying? That's a new one on me.
QUOTE(A. Canuck @ Dec 13 2004, 12:29 PM) There's been about a 1000 books written on JFK and Nov. 22 and they can't all be wrong. A lot of conspiracy theories are wrong, but it doesn't mean they all are. That's what happens when there's freedom of speech. Everyone gets to express their view. If the view is based on facts it will survive. If it isn't it will get destroyed by the facts.
People have tried to confuse and complicate the issue by misrepresenting the facts. Then they force people to search and find out for themselves what is real and what isn't. That's what makes it complicated. A lot of people don't believe that the government would cover something like this up. They think government officials would never lie! People need to know the facts. They need to know that their government lied to them because they will do it again, and again. What kind of country can survive when their people are being lied to constantly by their government. That's why the U.S. is going downhill at the moment. The lies are destroying it from the inside. Most media won't do the tough stories. They don't want to hurt their careers. People need to stop this. -------------------- "When I feed the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist."
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Dec 14 2004, 04:58 PM
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![]() Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Subscribing Member Posts: 9,541 Joined: 5-November 04 From: between here and now Member No.: 636 |
Saw this ABC show when it originally aired.... Immediately fired off an angry e-mail to ABC for doing a huge disservice to the American public; said I no longer considered them a credible source of information. I am in the mid-50's, was a teen-ager when the "event" went down. Have read (or seen) everything of a major nature published (or broadcast) on this and related events. Could tell early on the ABC approach was pure hogwash. The entire history of the JFK assasination (and related events) is all a very fascinating story, and should be aired in its entirety every November until we finally get the message.
-------------------- "Where is the intersection between the world's deep hunger and our deep gladness?"
"Invoke unconditional love to take precedence over all other agendas and allegiances. Know that through love, there is no separation. All is simultaneously one and different. To love is to be love." "Work consists of whatever a body is obliged to do . . . Play consists of whatever a body is not obliged to do." --MarkTwain If you Google up GeorgeWashington2's Blog ("Is America Still a Nation of Laws?"), Chris Floyd's article "Dred Scott Redux", or NakedCapitalism's "Supreme Courts Guts Due Process Protection", you will discover what the Obama supporters don't want you to know is going down. "Every gun that is fired, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. The world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its labourers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children." -- General Dwight D. Eisenhower, 34th President of the United States "Kick the war meme out of our collective subconsciousness." --RLA "The natural aristocracy required to lead the emergent evolution of the human social system is a group of ideas, not a group of persons [or corporations]...it is an aristocratic spirit--a passionate love of excellence that nurtures emergent evolution...a love of excellence is to be distinguished from striving for perfection or righteousness." -- RLA "Things don't have to be the way they are." |
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Dec 17 2004, 01:41 PM
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I recently came across a website that uses computer animation to attempt to prove that JFK's head moved forward just before the fatal shot. It's meant to prove that Oswald was the lone shooter. This animation might as well be a cartoon, because it's totally inaccurate.
They only show a close up of JFK in the car, but the truth is that everyone in the car moved forward at that exact time. A researcher on the recent C-SPAN panel discussion showed the view of everyone in the car and I could clearly see that they all moved slightly forward at that time. An analysis of the car speed showed that the driver, for whatever reason, put on the brakes slightly at that moment. It's no wonder why people are confused. If Jennings were a real reporter he would have examined the computer evidence of Tom Wilson, who was seen in "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" series on A&E. He worked for U.S. Steel for about 20 years and developed a computer program to analyze steel and identify imperfections that the human eye can't see, as the human eye is much more limited than a computer. He analyzed the governments' official autopsy photos and proved that they were faked. A person can clearly see the difference between what the photos looked like and what the computer saw when it analyzed the photos. It showed where the photos were altered. If a person looks at the Zapruder film you can see that there's no way that those photos could have been real. They've been totally altered to make it look like a shot from behind. Just like a prosecutor doesn't want to admit that he locked the wrong person up for 20 years, the government doesn't want to admit that they covered up and then lied to keep it covered up. Most of the media would rather take the easy way out and just say everything is a wild conspiracy theory, rather than researching it for themselves. They are doing nothing but helping themselves and their own careers. |
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Dec 18 2004, 08:24 PM
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Peter Jennings is a lying SOB. Anyone with half a brain can tell you that JFK wasn't shot from behind when he was hit in the head. Watch the film of the assassination, and you'll see Kennedy lurch violently back onto his seat, after the head shot. If he was shot from behind with a high powered rifle, he would have been motivated forward.
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