http://www.post-gazette.com/columnists/20000923roddy.asp

http://rebelcherokee.labdiva.com/itapache.html

http://www.indians.org/welker/geronimo.htm

http://www.indians.org/welker/gerosong.htm


Rick Davila Descendant of Geronimo rdavila@laedc.org <rdavila@laedc.org>

Geronimo's final surrender in 1886 was the last significant Indian guerrilla action in the United States. At the end, his group consisted of only 16 warriors, 12 women, and 6 children. Upon their surrender, Geronimo and over 300 of his fellow Chiricahuas were shipped to Fort Marion, Florida. One year later many of them were relocated to the Mt. Vernon barracks in Alabama, where about one quarter died from tuberculosis and other diseases. Geronimo died on Feb. 17, 1909, a prisoner of war, unable to return to his homeland. He was buried in the Apache cemetery at:

Fort Sill, Oklahoma
437 Quanah Road
Fort Sill, OK (73503-5000)

405-351-5123


http://www.geocities.com/%7Ezybt/awars.htm

http://www.geocities.com/coqrico/geronimo.html

http://www.itcaonline.com/

Eye fo an eye
Tooth fo a tooth
skull for a skull


Samuel Prescott Bush
Birth: 1863
Death: 1948

Father of US Senator Prescott Bush, paternal Grandfather of US President George H. W. Bush and Great Grandfather of US President George W. Bush.

Burial:
Greenlawn Cemetery
Columbus
Franklin County
Ohio, USA
Plot: Section 56, Southwest of the chapel
GPS (lat/lon): 39.9403, -83.0325

Record added: Jan 13 1999

http://www.yaleherald.com/article.php?Article=2801




Putnam Cemetery
Greenwich, Fairfield County, Connecticut

Politicians buried here:

Prescott Sheldon Bush (1895-1972) -- also known as Prescott S. Bush -- of Greenwich, Fairfield County, Conn. Father of George Herbert Walker Bush; grandfather of George Walker Bush and John Ellis Bush. Born in Columbus, Franklin County, Ohio, May 15, 1895. Republican. Served in the U.S. Army during World War I; delegate to Republican National Convention from Connecticut, 1948, 1964 (alternate); U.S. Senator from Connecticut, 1952-63; defeated, 1950. Episcopalian. Member, American Legion; Forty and Eight. Died in New York City (unknown county), N.Y., October 8, 1972. Interment at Putnam Cemetery. See also: congressional biography.

Easy now, Farmer T.

I find the story of the grave robbing, particularly of a true patriot like Geronimo appalling. Better to publicize it widely, start a movement to demand its restitution, than to propose retribution.

And lest anyone not understand my reference to Geronimo as a patriot when he fought against the US Cavalry, I consider a love of the land, of the place that is now the US, and opposition to the government when it is immoral and inhumane to be patriotism - loyalty to the fatherland, not to the current misguided or misanthropic caretakers presuming to rule.

Perhaps Geronimo's name should be our rallying cry?

Thought I would spread some Christmas cheer to the 2 George's/. :D
And it really might tickle Rove, of course he wouldn't let anyone in on the feeling he is having.

Today I talked to some people about this; they were as appalled to the thought of desecrating graves as an initiation as I am. It is understandable that some fraternity thought this was cool/exciting but the descendant of this people must be angry, disgusted, and helpless that it has happened to a member of their family and that it still continues today. Who the hell do you people think you are anyway, Geronimo was a great Chieftain of the Apache Tribe, and Poncho Villa was a liberator and former President of our great neighbor Mexico! Let me guess you people don't desecrate the graves of white people do you. Do you have the skull off George Washington, Benjamin Franklyn, Teddy Roosevelt, or Albert Einstein? Or is it just the people of the "lesser" races, "lesser" then you not me? If that's the case then who else that is non-white and famous could you steel the head off of? Should I name some big ones? I better not because we don't want the streets to just blow up!
How could a major University like Yale permit this to go on? Is this their claim to fame? Without the Skull & Bones they would be nothing?

The only resolve that suites me is:
(1) Yale permanently bans the Skull & Bones Society from its campus...no if or buts! That they seize the all of the items in the Fraternity house and with DNA try and undo some of the wrong that’s been done.
(2) Members come forward and tell whose head they got and try and get it back to the place it belongs. Further more they pay the family a significant amount for pain and suffering and punitive damages.

More to follow soon!

I read your anger (these same people have John Kennedy's brain) and will support you in protest at Yale or Greenwich.

Have you considered contacting American Indian Ritual Object
Repatriation Foundation?

http://www.repatriationfoundation.org/

"We are a non-federally funded intercultural partnership committed to assisting in the return of sacred ceremonial material to the appropriate American Indian Nation, clan, or family, and to educating the public about the importance of repatriation. The loss of ceremonial material has prevented many American Indians from passing ritual knowledge to future generations, consequently destroying traditions of prayer, medicine, and rites of passage."

It's pretty obvious that "someone" will just try and smooth this over....I counter that with this.

I have contacted several art friends to make a "cute" cartoon of a half "Skunk & Weasel". Real cute so the "Whole family" will get the picture etched into their minds. Then I'll write a funny little story about the "Skunk & Weasel" that live at Yale University. The story of the skunk is that everybody except him thinks that he stinks, and the Weasel is just to portray the fact that he "sneaks" around making bad smells and doing "dirty" stuff. Then I'll check in with some gaming friends and see if we can't make a nice .Avi and Flash movie portraying the "Skunk & Weasel" sneaking into a grave yard and steeling the head off of some kids Grandfather!

I'll add more later if I need to.

I'm white but I grew up all over Northern Arizona, I even lived on a res before. Many of my friends were and are Native Americans. We used to play cowboys & Indians (I think of American Native Now) and I pretty much got stuck always being the cowboy.... the real Heroes were Geronimo, Cochise, and Mingus!

Most of Phoenix's construction is Hispanic; I don't mind I like to work with anybody that can pull their own weight. Skunk & Weasel members wouldn't make a day where I work or any Phoenix construction site because at 120 degrees we keep working, we keep working hard! You want to be childish then be childish with your own relative’s remains, not the Great people of the desert south west.


More to follow!

There is one thing that the illustrious members of the Bush Klan seem to forgt.

Great Spirit sees and knows everything! They think that their misdeeds will go unnoticed, not so. In the 1800's the Great White Fathers decided that there would be an Indian Removal Program....they wanted to remove [murder]those who were the first inhabitants of this land. Generations later we, the ancestors, do not forget. Those who choose to live like the Bush Klan are morally inferior to perpetrate the continuance of the injustice of the stealing of Geronimo's Skull.

a few thoughts of mine that I have posted in the Artist's section:


behind my eyes

I see the Red blood on the ground
the women slaughtered, on the prairie
their attempts to hide the infants quashed

the Elders, corpses strewn on the snow
the breath given them by Great Spirit, stilled
the stories, precious to us, ebbing away

the Warriors, hanging from the trees
their bodies drug into piles, spoils of war?
each Spirit, rising to call Wovoka, battles again

in my head

I hear the war cries of the brave
the cries of the babies, hunted like dogs
wails of grandmothers, before they are slaughtered

the whistling of the Wind, over barren ground
tears evoked, the sight of brothers and sisters
gone on, to this day remembered, part of my Circle

the crackling of the wood fire
the wisps rising up to leave the tipi
in this World ALL is seen and heard

In my Heart

my Indian Heart, I know these pains and sorrows
my Ancestors walk, always at my side, Great Spirit
the losses and victories remembered and recounted

We are ALL ONE....it is time for respect!

Mourning Dove Caller©2004

Hello,
This time the "Indian wars" will be played out by some different actors. Many people inherit their grandfather’s eyes, their great-grandmothers nose, their mother’s ears, and their father’s strength or some combination of them, but they all inherit the spirit of freedom.....if it is in their blood line.

My father's family is from Harrogate TN, right next to a small town called Shawnee. My aunt told me that quite a few generations ago that we had a grandmother who was full blooded Shawnee. So I have many reasons to be proud and free.

Don't do it. At least not YOU or anyone related to you.

Since you posted this on a public forum it will be very easy to trace any event back to you.

I suggest you PM the Mods to delete this thread, just in case.. Right now all an investigator would have to do is spend a few minutes on Google.

The Shawnee believed in Moneto, a supreme being who ruled the entire universe and distributed blessings upon all who earned his favor, and desperate sorrow upon those who merited his disfavor. The Great Spirit of the Shawnee was a grandmother who ruled the destinies of her children. She eternally wove a great net which, when finished, would be dropped over the world. She would then draw the net back up to the heavens. Those who had proven themselves worthy would be caught up in the net and taken to a better life, those who fell back through the net would suffer an unspeakable fate as the world came to an end. Each Shawnee was judge of his own conduct and was held accountable for it. They lived by their own standards, and shrugged off value judgments placed among them by people outside of their tribe.



I have a very good alibi/.

farmerTom.....

http://battlefield1942.filefront.com/file/;11234
Thats me :D
I made a lot of that map with notepad.....it was before the editors came out...lots of work!

farmerTom, brother, just tell them you hear voices in your head

they'll never bother you, maybe put you in a room for awhile :D

lawnorder, Bush Klan are the criminals NOT us Indians, honest!

I don't hear voices George W. does...... I think he is off his meds again.....

I won't run from a shadow and I'm not afraid of the dark, I can see very well at night I don't carry weapons nor do I need to.