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PLEASE read the following and respond ASAP and forward to any other
Groups you know who would be interested in getting the following
accomplished.

Please take the action below to help Congressman John Conyers force
hearings on Ohio. Conyers feels he needs a million e-mails to compel
the House
Judiciary Committee to hold hearings about the 2004 election.
HERE IS THE LINK TO MAKE IT VERY EASY FOR YOU !

http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/contact.html

Tell the Judiciary Committee you want hearings on Ohio!
Use your own words, or here's a sample letter :

To the House Judiciary Committee:
I am writing to urge the House Judiciary Committee to hold hearings
as
soon as possible on the irregularities of the 2004 election. I need
not remind the Judiciary Committee members that the Unites States is
a
beacon of democracy for the rest of the world. If we truly wish to
remain the embodiment of democratic values, then we must treat the
right of every citizen to vote and for their vote to count as sacred.
Ample evidence has arisen that this right was violated or undermined
for many Americans in the 2004 election. I strongly believe that
holding hearings to investigate and resolve these irregularities
would
be an act of tremendous patriotism on the part of Congress, and would
serve as a declaration that we are the world's greatest democracy not
only in word, but in deed.

ranger116@webtv.net wrote: Statistical Analysis may indicate Kerry
Win in Ohio after Re-count

ttp://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/WO0412/S00167.htm
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Ohio Recount Affidavit - Richard Hayes Phillips

Monday, 13 December 2004, 10:55 am
Press Release:

OHIO RECOUNT
AFFIDAVIT
December 10, 2004
From: http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/supreme.htm

I, RICHARD HAYES PHILLIPS, do swear and affirm the
following:

1. I hold a Ph.D. in geomorphology from the University
of Oregon. I am a professional hydrologist and am well
versed in standard techniques of statistical analysis,
with special expertise in spotting anomalous data. A
copy of my curriculum vita is attached to this
Affidavit as Exhibit A.

2. I have analyzed unofficial precinct level results
from the November 2, 2004 general election in nine
Ohio counties, including Cuyahoga, Franklin, Warren,
Butler, Clermont, Miami, Montgomery, Hamilton, and
Lucas. In have compared these results with those from
the November 7, 2000 general election where such data
is available. I have examined the unofficial and
official results for the November 2, 2004 election,
county by county. I have examined, in Franklin County,
data on the number of voting machines deployed in each
precinct. I have also examined United States census
data for 2000 and 2003.

3. There are numerous examples of incorrect
presidential vote tallies in certain precincts in
Cleveland, Cuyahoga County. These irregularities
include at least 16 precincts where votes intended to
be cast for Kerry were shifted to other candidates'
columns, and at least 30 precincts with inexplicably
low voter turnout, including 7.10%, 13.05%, 19.60%,
21.01%, 21.80%, 24.72%, 28.83%, 28.97%, and 29.25%,
and seven entire wards where voter turnout was
reportedly below 50%, even as low as 39.35%. Kerry won
Cleveland with 83.27% of the vote to 15.88% for Bush.
If voter turnout was really 60% of registered voters,
as seems likely based upon turnout in other major
cities of Ohio, rather than 49.89% as reported,
Kerry's margin of victory in Cleveland has been
wrongly reduced by 22,000 votes.

4. The systematic withholding of voting machines from
predominantly Democratic wards in Columbus, many of
them with high black populations, severely restricted
voter turnout in these wards and cost John Kerry
17,000 votes. I have meticulously compared election
results with the number of registered voters per
voting machine for each precinct in Columbus, and for
each ward in Franklin County. In Columbus, the median
Bush precinct had a 60.56% turnout, while the median
Kerry precinct had only a 50.78% turnout. County wide,
the 73 wards with fewer than 300 registered voters per
machine had a 62.33% turnout; 58 were in the suburbs,
and 54 were won by Bush. The 73 wards with 300 or more
registered voters per machine had a 51.99% turnout; 59
were in Columbus, and 58 were won by Kerry. In
addition, there were 68 machines not provided to
anyone, according to data provided by the Board of
Elections.

5. It has been widely reported that in Warren County,
the administrative building was locked down on
election night and no independent persons were allowed
to observe the vote count. Based upon the official
Board of Elections reports, there has been a 15.51%
increase in voter registration in eight months time,
and voter turnout was reportedly above 80% in 55
precincts. Since the 2000 election, voter registration
was reportedly up by 79.0%, 38.3%, 32.4%, 31.0%,
29.7%, and 28.4% in six townships that provided 68.75%
of Bush's margin of victory in Warren County. While
the county population has increased by 14.75% since
the 2000 census, 87 of 157 precincts had shown
declines in voter registration at other times since
the 2000 election, and yet every single precinct, 157
of 157, showed increases in voter registration since
March 2, 2004. In Butler County, there are nine
precincts and two entire townships where Kerry
received fewer votes than Gore despite a sharp
increase in voter turnout; and there are precincts
with reported increases in voter registration, since
November 7, 2000, of 177.9%, 143.5%, 69.3%, 65.5%,
64.5%, 48.2%, 43.3%, 38.8%, 36.9%, 34.3%, 34.0%, and
33.8%, compared to an increase in population of only
3.12% county wide. In Clermont County, where the
population has grown by 4.39% since the 2000 census,
voter registration was reportedly up by 85.4% and
67.6% in two precincts, and down by 49.4% in another
precinct, all in the same township; there were 23
precincts where turnout was up, but Kerry got fewer
votes than Gore. All these data are indications that
votes may have been shifted from Kerry to Bush.
According to the official results certified by the
Ohio Secretary of State, these three counties combined
provided Bush with a plurality of 132,685 votes, which
is 13,910 votes more than his statewide plurality of
118,775 votes. Given that George Bush carried these
counties by 95,575 votes in 2000, the net loss for
John Kerry could be as high as 37,000 votes.

6. It is my professional opinion that there is
compelling evidence of fraud in Miami County. Early on
election night, when 31,620 votes had been counted,
and later, when 50,235 votes had been counted, John
Kerry had exactly the same percentage, 33.92%, and the
percentage for George Bush was almost exactly the
same, dropping by 0.03%, from 65.80% to 65.77%. The
second set of returns gave Bush a margin of exactly
16,000 votes, giving cause to question the integrity
of the central counting device for the optical
scanning machines. Compared to 2000, voter turnout
increased by 20.86%, while the population increased by
only 1.38%. Voter turnout was reported at 98.55% and
94.27% in two precincts in Concord, numbers nearly
impossible to achieve. Voter turnout was reported to
have increased by 194.58% and 152.78% in two precincts
in Troy compared to the 2000 election, and by more
than 30.0% in ten other precincts. There are no data
for voter registration in 2000, so the ballots cast
offer the only meaningful comparison. Comparing the
results of the 2004 election to the results of the
2000 election, there is one precinct where the
reduction in turnout exactly matched the reduction in
votes counted for the Democratic presidential
candidate. It is my professional opinion that these
numbers are fraudulent, in that the true election
results have been altered. Given that Bush officially
carried Miami County in 2004 by 16,394 votes, and that
Bush carried Miami County in 2000 by 10,453 votes, the
net loss to John Kerry could be as high as 6,000
votes.

7. In Toledo, Lucas County, there were 50 precincts
with less than 60% reported turnout. All of them were
won overwhelmingly by John Kerry, by a margin of
better than 5 to 1 in the aggregate. There were 45
precincts with more than 80% reported turnout; 12 were
won by Bush, 33 were won by Kerry, and most were
competitive. When the precinct numbers are combined
into totals for each ward, data not provided by the
Board of Elections, a clear and unmistakable pattern
emerges. The 14 wards with the highest reported
turnout were won by John Kerry by a margin of 11 to 7
in the aggregate. The 10 wards with the lowest
reported turnout were won by John Kerry by a margin of
6 to 1 in the aggregate. It is my professional opinion
that the election in Lucas County was rigged, most
likely by altering the vote totals in each ward by a
percentage chosen for that ward, plus or minus, based
upon voting patterns in past elections. If turnout in
Toledo had been as high as that reported elsewhere in
the county, John Kerry's plurality would have been
7,000 votes larger.

8. There are still 92,672 uncounted votes in Ohio,
exclusive of any uncounted provisional ballots.
According to unofficial results provided by the Ohio
Secretary of State, there were 5,574,476 ballots cast,
and 5,481,804 votes counted, which leaves 92,672
regular ballots (1.66%) still uncounted. The official
results, now certified, do not include these ballots,
but differ from the unofficial results only in the
addition of provisional ballots and some absentee
ballots to the tally. In Montgomery and Hamilton
counties, these uncounted votes come
disproportionately from precincts that voted
overwhelmingly for John Kerry. In Montgomery County
there are 47 precincts, all of them in Dayton, where
the percentage of uncounted ballots is 4% or more.
Kerry won all 47 of these precincts, by a margin of 7
to 1 in the aggregate. County wide in Montgomery
County, the percentage of uncounted ballots was 1.70%.
In Hamilton County there are 26 precincts, 22 of them
in Cincinnati, where the percentage of uncounted
ballots is 8% or more. Kerry won all 26 of these
precincts, by a margin of 10 to 1 in the aggregate.
Altogether there are 86 precincts in Cincinnati where
the percentage of uncounted ballots is 4% or more.
Kerry won 85 of these precincts, by a margin of 5 to 1
in the aggregate. County wide in Hamilton County, the
percentage of uncounted ballots was 2.34%. Although I
have not yet had time to examine similar data for
Cleveland, Columbus, Toledo, Akron, Youngstown,
Canton, or elsewhere, it is possible that the same
pattern will emerge in these cities as well. If these
92,672 uncounted votes were cast for Kerry by a 5 to 1
margin, this would reduce the statewide margin between
the candidates by another 61,781 votes.

9. There are still provisional ballots uncounted in
Ohio. On election night the Ohio Secretary of State
reported that 5,481,804 ballots had been counted, and
155,428 provisional ballots had been issued. According
to the official results, now certified, 5,625,621
votes have now been counted, an increase of 143,817,
which represents the number of newly counted ballots.
Some of these were absentee ballots. The reported
count of provisional ballots was 79,482 for Kerry, and
61,505 for Bush. This would leave 14,441 provisional
ballots uncounted.
10. In summary, it is my professional opinion that
John Kerry's margins of victory were wrongly reduced
by 22,000 votes in Cleveland, by 17,000 votes in
Columbus, and by as many as 7,000 votes in Toledo. It
is my further professional opinion that John Kerry's
margins of defeat in Warren, Butler, and Clermont
counties were inflated by as many as 37,000 votes in
the aggregate, and in Miami County by as many as 6,000
votes. There are still 92,672 uncounted regular
ballots that, based upon the analysis set forth above
of the election results from Dayton and Cincinnati,
may be expected to break for John Kerry by an
overwhelming margin. And there are 14,441 uncounted
provisional ballots.
11. My research into the topics discussed in this
affidavit is continuing, and I reserve the right to
modify my conclusions as new information becomes
available.
TO THIS I SWEAR AND AFFIRM,
___________________________________
Richard Hayes Phillips, Ph.D.
"
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/WO0412/S00167.htm
Based on the summaries in Paragraph 10, this could
indicate that John Kerry will defeat George Bush, and
thus in the United States, by a margin of about 36,000
votes.
ACTION ALERT! CONYERS NEEDS YOUR EMAILS!!!! :o :o :o :o :o
Schools Out
This is a scam be wary of this, its connected to the Nigerian emails scam.

We even think SamIZData might be part of it.....Give you two guesses on who posts there on a regular basis.

This email chain is a scam, you have been warned, Conyers doesn't want his system to be clogged as that many emails would bar their communications.
LeIbNiZ
QUOTE(Schools Out @ Dec 15 2004, 10:02 PM)
This is a scam be wary of this, its connected to the Nigerian emails scam.

We even think SamIZData might be part of it.....Give you two guesses on who posts there on a regular basis.

This email chain is a scam, you have been warned, Conyers doesn't want his system to be clogged as that many emails would bar their communications.
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Do you have any evidence of this? It would seem to me that Government servers could handle a million e-mails?
EvelyninTexas
So, the perfectly legitimate website I just used to send an email to Conyers is a Nigerian scam???

I guess I'm hopelessly naive.
Schools Out
Hopelessly naive? No just very much misinformed.

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"The following message was forwared to us last night. It speaks for itself.

If you would like to substitute e-mailing to Conyers for tormenting Republicans, please come to http://www.usvip.org and help with our action request.

Thanks




Dear Ms. XXXX,

Our office has appreciated the response it has received regarding the voting problems in Ohio, however these emails while send with the best of intentions are clogging our email and requiring us to spend hours filtering these emails into the proper folders. We as democrats can talk about election reform, but in the House it is Majority rules and the only people who can really reform the voting process to ensure each vote is accurately counted are the Republicans.

If activists focused their efforts on getting R.'s to work for some kind of voting reform that would help the cause much more. I encourage you to contact your member of Congress, and if you like the Judiciary R.'s (although Members of Congress often only read respond to their own constituents communications), to support election reform and transparency.


Sincerely,

Matthew M. Thome
Representative John Conyers, Jr.
Legislative Correspondent "


That is the original email printed and sent by Matthew M. Thome the correspondent for Conyers. He did not ask for over a million emails, that can jam the communications.
JackD
Who to trust? We have two people that we have never heard of telling us to do different things. One may be a freeper imho.
Smartcor
QUOTE(JackD @ Dec 16 2004, 01:13 AM)
Who to trust? We have two people that we have never heard of telling us to do different things. One may be a freeper imho.
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You are right,, this is very frustrating. huh.gif
Hope4Future
QUOTE(Sandra @ Dec 15 2004, 09:46 PM)
PLEASE PROVIDE EVIDENCE OF YOUR CLAIM, OR THE POST WILL BE REMOVED.

THANK YOU.
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Yes please provide info...because I did send an email through this very link. It kind of unnerves me to think that this might be a scam.
JackD
QUOTE(Hope4Future @ Dec 16 2004, 12:33 AM)
Yes please provide info...because I did send an email through this very link. It kind of unnerves me to think that this might be a scam.
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Here is the way I see it. Either gwojtowycz is trying to clog up the system so that communition is harder or schoolsout is trying to stop the effort to get 1 million emails. Either way, someone is lying to us and I really don't like it.
Schools Out
Please do not delete evidence, what I posted previously was evidence of the email Matthew Thome sent is a scam. This means there was nothing wrong with writing Conyers to begin with, Matt used to work as an office assistant, but has been charged with fraud, mischief and is a former felon.

A document I posted proved this point, he lives in Wisconsin and was released on bail before being tried on high misdemeanors. 24 years, white republican male.
luaptifer
historic moment if only in effect folks, i'm in agreement with SO but only in effect, i assure you.

on sunday i looked for evidence that conyers, himself, had asked for one million, asked others here if they'd seen the original article suggesting that.

i have not found such an original but did locate a DUer who said that they'd personally called his office and gotten the response i copied to the post linked below. basically, he had NOT asked for a million emails but was glad to receive the support.

see my repost of that DUer's original:

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http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/for...indpost&p=97188

good nite!
belgiangoth
I first found out about this at the votecobb site, where I have been getting recount updates. The link was up yesterday, but disappeared today ... make of it what you want.
mtnmagic
QUOTE(Sandra @ Dec 16 2004, 09:22 AM)
What can you ever trust on the Internet?  That's why we are very protective of private information going on the public board (see our forum rules). 
Anyone can tell you anything on the Internet.  Always proceed with caution and only trust your own instincts.  There are no guarantees.
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1. I sent an email to Conyers and had no trouble getting through and did not receive an email asking me NOT to continue...

2. There have been instances of inflammatory, personal accusations and attacks about others posted on several threads. I have PM'ed Mods more then once. Have been told that it is being discussed, so far have seen no action. I believe it has a negative impact on the validity of the forum and creates confusion as noted in above threads. This issue (which always seems to involve one or two members really needs to be addressed in some proactive manner IMHO.
ultraist
The mods are doing a great job here. People complain when they do moderate posts and accuse them of censoring and people complain when they don't edit posts! lol.gif

They all deserve a big THANK YOU!
luaptifer
LOL, one of the prime suspects here :-) has PMd a suggestion or two as to possible means of resolving such conflicts. hoping that it's basis in community self-regulation will be considered and as an important part of lessening the load on the mods. basically the idea is that we, as community members, are responsible for ensuring that what gets imprinted into the gestalt of the CGCS archive has passed the test of acceptance by us members. if enough members call a post into question for its veracity such as by eg., three of us demanding proof in form of links/documentation, and the original claim is not supported by the person making it, some sort of sanction would follow from that.

perhaps the original post deleted, perhaps the admins flagging that post with a comment recommending it be viewed skeptically, etc. there is an obvious worst case sanction i'll leave unspoken but maybe interested parties here could make other suggestions.
mtnmagic
QUOTE(ultraist @ Dec 16 2004, 09:43 AM)
The mods are doing a great job here. People complain when they do moderate posts and accuse them of censoring and people complain when they don't edit posts!  lol.gif

They all deserve a big THANK YOU!
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FYI - I always thank them for their hard work when I PM them...and did so AGAIN
with my last ones. I'm merely stating that this needs to be dealt with, it is starting to get out of control. My email link that was posted was directly to the Judiciuary Committee. Please do not jump all over me, without the facts. Thank you
EvelyninTexas
I also emailed from the link, got no response, scam or otherwise. The website looked official, all the links I tried from it at random went to appropriate sites, for what that's worth.
JackD
QUOTE(Sandra @ Dec 16 2004, 10:22 AM)
What can you ever trust on the Internet?  That's why we are very protective of private information going on the public board (see our forum rules). 
Anyone can tell you anything on the Internet.  Always proceed with caution and only trust your own instincts.  There are no guarantees.
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Just to let everyone know, I am not bitching about the personal info being taken down.
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