Read carefully before answering.

All over the spectrum so far. Interesting.

With the exception of "Regarding Force"...so far, everyone's in agreement there.....

A yes/no or non answer type of poll is something that I avoid......I do not think they allow for freedom of expression and sometimes are engineered to achieve pre-selected results

There are too many conflicting beliefs, or ideas about what anyone in particular has in mind when using the word. Seems that is a centuries old problem, the Old Testament in some books talked voluminously about what to call the entity and the problems anticipated by choosing - Jehova(?), Yehova(?). and in there I believe it was remarked that choosing a word produced less understanding and lots of disagreement. What was meant, a being, a man, a force, a person?

I'll pass thanks. I have no static believe one way or another, open to continuing learning as I have all my life. Loved the Joseph Campbell series, and recall when Time-Life decades ago issued a coffee table book on the World's Religions, - wonder it that is still in libraries? Read my way through many theologians' books and many during the "God is Dead" period.

lenal

That's a relief.

I'll say!

I find it interesting that you chose to use the term "gods"
How nice it would be to meet someone who has had
similar experiences to me

I'm in the process of writing my memoirs......

Isn't it a great day!

Barack Obama got elected President!

I'm not sure I understand the connection here. Was the experience you referred to a balloon ride? Did it make you feel like a god?

Science is organized and proves their is order not chaos in the universe.
I see God and energy. I do not believe that we die but by decomposition our bodies take a new place in the order of science. I feel our minds have an energy that goes on. Traditional belief no but belief yes.

They are not mutually exclusive. Order comes from chaos.

I think there may be scientific evidence that supports this belief.

I just saw a bumper sticker that said "Gods don't kill people, People with Gods people."

If you were a recruiter for Joel's Army, what things would let happen and what things would make happen?

The Record of the Evolutionary Process of our Human Genetic Coding within the Human Social System incorporates each and every instance of Individual Personal Individuation of the relevant
Human Cohort Group for a known Civilization. The Interpreters of the Human gene structure will be the Super Jocks of the future.

I would make communication happen. I would let everything else happen.

The genetic interpreters will only be the technicians. It's the epigenetic and memetic interpreters that will design and program our destiny as a species.

You are Micro-Macro right about that...

Of the things you let happen, which were you Aware of Assigning a Positive valence to and
which were you Aware of assigning a Negative valence to? What categories of Information
and at how many Levels of Abstraction?

If we are still talking Joel's Army, then I don't know because I'm not a part of it. I can only imagine how a member would answer those questions.

I try to keep things simple and sometimes overdo it by oversimplifying as you know. My philosophies on media science, evil, and the money a.i. sums it up.

A take off on "Guns don't kill....people with guns, kill.

Did you ever see something.... and you felt sure that.... if you tried to explain it someone else...

They just wouldn't understand... (and really wouldnt believe you anyway?)

It's something like that

Sorry for being so obscure

Its the best I can do at the moment

Thanks

Perry sounds like a near death experince to me?

According to some we (collectively) created "the gods" through the mental and emotional focus (worship) of many minds. That would make them "thought forms" that exist in a mental realm.

Others believe the "gods" are a reference to human beings from technologically advanced prehistoric civilizations now long disappeared (Atlantis, Lemuria, the Rama Empire,...etc.) who wowed their more primitive fellowmen into worshiping them as gods.

Still others believe advanced civilizations from other planets actually used genetic tech to evolve us from Neanderthal and "alien" hybrids to produce Cro-Magnon (Homo-sapiens sapiens) around 30 to 40 thousand years ago. Used us as slave labor to mine earth's mineral resources. They seduced our women, and generally made us kiss their asses for a long time.

Still others believe that whatever may or may not be true about the above, we are all imbued with a divine spirit derived from a Supreme Spirit of some sort and not only that but that we all as spirits participated in some way in creating the physical space time reality we exist in now.

Just some thoughts.

I put in a pretty strange couple of years. It was more than just one experience. It left me with a completely altered state of mind.

I don't look at our reality like I used to anymore.

It's also the kind of thing your afriad of telling someone else on account that it just might screw their frame of reference up to. As the old saying goes, "Ignorance is bliss".

But as you can tell... its getting to the point where I can't really keep it inside anymore.

I'm trying to give an account of all of it in sequential order of events, in the form of a book.

Whether this book will actually be marketable is a secondary consideration.

But it allows me to get it out of my system.

I'm up to 160 pages and am not even 1/2 way through the material to be covered.

It's pretty earth shaking.

How I would love to outline to you precisely what I experienced (and remember, I had many such experiences in that time span).

I seen something quite frightening, this is true. But also, quite beautiful. Once I realized that they were not going to harm me.

All I'll say at this point is that they were incredibly beautiful and majestic in their own way.

And that was just "one" experience...

There is much more in the heavens and in the earth than is dreamed of in our philosophies Horatio.

P.S. I have no idea who or what "they" are you are refering to, but a word of advice. Do not seek direct communication with beings beyond the physical plane. Until you can directly see and hear at your own will using your own unaltered perceptions other planes of existence, you are out of your league and you would do well to understand this and therefore the dangers inherent in swimming in the ocean before you even know how to swim.

Just my opinion.

If you are talking about another lifeform; as long as humans live, we will be discovering other lifeforms. If you are talking about another state of existence, I'm more curious about how you perceived it than what you perceived.

If a book is the best way to reveal what you learned, then I respect your secrecy at least until you finish the book. Just promise us that you will finish and publish this book before you depart this realm of existence that we all perceive as natural life. If you can't promise us that, then this forum would be a good place to reveal your discovery. There's enough people here willing to think beyond the boundaries of what we call reality and help you analyze what you've experienced. You were exposed to it for a reason, even if it's as simple as being a messenger.

I have a God and the only important thing is that I believe that. What others think is of no interest or concern to me.

nice

Can you really assign a negative or positive valence to the creation of a system that not one of us really understands?

Would the assignment of any valence diminish its opposite expression?

Isn't the level of abstraction in this instance, so limited, that it would be impossible to even conceive even the most simple levels?

As a starting point for the sake of learning to understand, yes. As an end point (final conclusion) for when one thinks they understand, no. One can rarely (if ever) completely understand anything.

Often, but not always. Opposites sometimes act as counter-balances for things equally important in maintaining a healthy balance.

My default is to consider it impossible to completely determine if something is impossible.