This is the jist but there's more on the page.
Here's the link: http://rawstory.com/exclusives/kerry_ohio_suit_1215.php
Thursday, December 16, 2004
The lawyers for Green presidential candidate David Cobb and Libertarian presidential candidate Michael Badnarik, along with Kerry-Edwards 2004 have added election tampering to a civil suit filed against the state of Ohio over problems with the state's recount, RAW STORY has learned.
The suit, detailed here, alleges that a manufacturer of voting machines, Triad Election Systems, which serves 43 counties in the state, is tampering with the recount. It is unclear exactly what recourse the plaintiffs' seek; the filing adds on to an original suit to have the recount take place before Ohio electors meet, which failed in the courts. Green Party spokesman Blair Bobier did not respond to immediate calls for comment.
Full Version: Cobb, Badnarik AND Kerry-Edwards file expanded sui
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No wonder!!!
FRAUD ? Techies acessing OS of tabulators, With a lame excuse
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FarmerTom expands on all that can be done with OS access
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My thoughts exactly!!!!
FRAUD ? Techies acessing OS of tabulators, With a lame excuse
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http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/for...&st=0&p=98936&#
FarmerTom expands on all that can be done with OS access
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http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/for...pic=10248&st=0#
QUOTE(farmerTom @ Dec 15 2004, 11:14 PM)
Something in the BIOS:
He pulled the battery, rebooted which reset the bios, then replaced the battery and re-booted again with the default? settings.
Did he hava a chance before the elections to access the computer. You can flash modern EEPROMs (bios chips) for hardware like a video card, or a software modifier.....
Older computers you can actually "burn" a EPROM to do lots of stuff too. The BIOS chip plugs right in the mother board like a memory module.
It has two rows (side)of "pins" and has 6-12 pins per row (side)
You can actually put a small linux kernal on a bios chip and it'll boot off of that....
What did the POST screen say when it was booting before the guy "worked" on it, and after??
Post is the power on self test that checks the mem and loads the low level drivers to ram.....ussually video card stuff. It also allocates memory for the system to use. etc etc etc
Thats what booting (pulling yourself up with your bootstraps) is all about.
If this is the case you need to grab a likely bios, put it onto another system and boot up run the test, swith to the original bios and boot run the test with that compare the returns.
I program game stuff for fun and build computers for friends, I had a 3.85 gpa through the cis major I never completed.
He pulled the battery, rebooted which reset the bios, then replaced the battery and re-booted again with the default? settings.
Did he hava a chance before the elections to access the computer. You can flash modern EEPROMs (bios chips) for hardware like a video card, or a software modifier.....
Older computers you can actually "burn" a EPROM to do lots of stuff too. The BIOS chip plugs right in the mother board like a memory module.
It has two rows (side)of "pins" and has 6-12 pins per row (side)
You can actually put a small linux kernal on a bios chip and it'll boot off of that....
What did the POST screen say when it was booting before the guy "worked" on it, and after??
Post is the power on self test that checks the mem and loads the low level drivers to ram.....ussually video card stuff. It also allocates memory for the system to use. etc etc etc
Thats what booting (pulling yourself up with your bootstraps) is all about.
If this is the case you need to grab a likely bios, put it onto another system and boot up run the test, swith to the original bios and boot run the test with that compare the returns.
I program game stuff for fun and build computers for friends, I had a 3.85 gpa through the cis major I never completed.
My thoughts exactly!!!!
Slowly but surely, everything is coming out and the proper actions are being taken. I can't wait for the day when all of those who have threatened our democracy land in jail.
This topic and the link to the affadavit should also be posted (or moved to) Fair Election Practises. The affadavit is particularly damning and supports the claim of Triad's interference in the election results.
Where is the so-called 'expert' who tampered with the tabulator, anyway???? Can't anyone locate this guy????? I know the Conyers committee doesn't have subpeona powers, but surely they can smoke out whoever this person is.
Where is the so-called 'expert' who tampered with the tabulator, anyway???? Can't anyone locate this guy????? I know the Conyers committee doesn't have subpeona powers, but surely they can smoke out whoever this person is.
I love the reasons for the tampering!
They had to re-do something so the votes that were saved will show during the recount....
Yeah - right
and that's why they had to post the # of votes on the wall...
They had to re-do something so the votes that were saved will show during the recount....
Yeah - right
and that's why they had to post the # of votes on the wall...
Conyers wants probe of Ohio recount preparation
BY MALIA RULON and JOHN NOLAN
ASSOCIATED PRESS
December 16, 2004
A Detroit congressman asked the FBI on Wednesday to investigate an Ohio election worker's concern that presidential election results could have been altered when a software company employee worked on machines before a ballot recount.
The company, TRIAD Governmental Systems Inc., provides vote-counting software used in 41 of Ohio's 88 counties.
Rep. John Conyers, the senior Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, sent a letter to the FBI office in Cincinnati and Hocking County Prosecutor Larry Beal asking them to immediately confiscate election machinery in the southwest Ohio county.
Conyers wants an FBI investigation because election tampering is a federal crime.
Separately, the Government Accountability Office, Congress' investigative arm, said it would study the 2004 election, and Conyers said Democrats on the Judiciary Committee plan to review each reported problem in Ohio.
Conyers said similar TRIAD visits have been reported in other Ohio counties.
Brett Rapp, president of Xenia, Ohio-based TRIAD, said it's standard procedure to prepare the machines for a recount so they only tally the presidential race. He said company representatives have worked on computers in every county that uses TRIAD software.
Mike Brooks, a spokesman for the FBI office in Cincinnati, said Conyers' request had not been received and there are no agency investigations of Ohio's election. Beal also had not received the letter but said he had spoken to Sherole Eaton, Hocking County's deputy director of elections, and no investigation was planned.
Recounts are under way across the state that put Republican George W. Bush over the top in the election last month. At least 35 of Ohio's 88 counties had completed their tallies or had started.
Officially, Bush beat John Kerry by 119,000 votes in the state, but two third-party candidates collected the required $113,600 for a recount that they claim will show serious irregularities. The Kerry campaign supports the recount, though it has acknowledged it will not change the outcome.
Statewide, about 92,000 ballots failed to record a vote for president, most of them on punch-card systems.
Under Ohio law, workers must hand-count 3 percent of ballots. If those results match the earlier certified results exactly, all other ballots can be recounted by machine. If not, all ballots must be recounted by hand.
BY MALIA RULON and JOHN NOLAN
ASSOCIATED PRESS
December 16, 2004
A Detroit congressman asked the FBI on Wednesday to investigate an Ohio election worker's concern that presidential election results could have been altered when a software company employee worked on machines before a ballot recount.
The company, TRIAD Governmental Systems Inc., provides vote-counting software used in 41 of Ohio's 88 counties.
Rep. John Conyers, the senior Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, sent a letter to the FBI office in Cincinnati and Hocking County Prosecutor Larry Beal asking them to immediately confiscate election machinery in the southwest Ohio county.
Conyers wants an FBI investigation because election tampering is a federal crime.
Separately, the Government Accountability Office, Congress' investigative arm, said it would study the 2004 election, and Conyers said Democrats on the Judiciary Committee plan to review each reported problem in Ohio.
Conyers said similar TRIAD visits have been reported in other Ohio counties.
Brett Rapp, president of Xenia, Ohio-based TRIAD, said it's standard procedure to prepare the machines for a recount so they only tally the presidential race. He said company representatives have worked on computers in every county that uses TRIAD software.
Mike Brooks, a spokesman for the FBI office in Cincinnati, said Conyers' request had not been received and there are no agency investigations of Ohio's election. Beal also had not received the letter but said he had spoken to Sherole Eaton, Hocking County's deputy director of elections, and no investigation was planned.
Recounts are under way across the state that put Republican George W. Bush over the top in the election last month. At least 35 of Ohio's 88 counties had completed their tallies or had started.
Officially, Bush beat John Kerry by 119,000 votes in the state, but two third-party candidates collected the required $113,600 for a recount that they claim will show serious irregularities. The Kerry campaign supports the recount, though it has acknowledged it will not change the outcome.
Statewide, about 92,000 ballots failed to record a vote for president, most of them on punch-card systems.
Under Ohio law, workers must hand-count 3 percent of ballots. If those results match the earlier certified results exactly, all other ballots can be recounted by machine. If not, all ballots must be recounted by hand.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/po...litics-national
Scrutiny of Ohio Ballots Begins
Two third-party candidates are paying for the recount in the state where Bush beat Kerry by 119,000 votes.
From Associated Press
December 16, 2004
CINCINNATI — In a scene reminiscent of Florida circa 2000, two teams of Republican and Democratic election workers held punch-card ballots up to the light Wednesday and whispered back and forth as they tried to divine the voters' intent from a few hanging chads.
Observers for the presidential campaigns of John F. Kerry, President Bush and Green Party candidate David Cobb kept watch from chairs a few feet away.
The scene is being repeated statewide this week in a recount in the state that put Bush over the top in the election last month.
Officially, Bush beat Kerry by 119,000 votes in Ohio, but two third-party candidates collected the required $113,600 for a recount they claimed would show serious irregularities. The Kerry campaign is supporting the recount, though it has acknowledged it will not change the outcome.
The recounts began this week. At least 35 of Ohio's 88 counties had completed their recounts or were starting Wednesday, according to a survey by Associated Press. Some of the tallies will not be complete until next week.
"It takes a lot of work, a lot of hours," said Kerry campaign observer Jeannette Harrison, 63, a real estate agent. "This is a job that has to be done."
In Cincinnati, Hamilton County workers grimaced in concentration as they examined the ballot holes up close. The scene called to mind the five weeks of recounts in Florida that made the terms "pregnant chad" and "butterfly ballot" famous.
Statewide, about 92,000 ballots cast in last month's presidential election failed to record a vote for president, most of them on punch-card systems.
Hamilton County workers wrote their results on tally sheets as they counted ballots from 30 precincts randomly selected from the county's 1,013 — a total of about 13,000 of 433,000 ballots cast in November in the county.
Under Ohio law, workers must hand count 3% of ballots. If the results match the certified results exactly, all other ballots can be recounted by machine. If the totals are off, all ballots must be counted by hand, adding days or weeks to the process.
Also Wednesday, Rep. John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.), a senior Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, urged the FBI to investigate possible election tampering in Hocking County involving an employee of TRIAD Governmental Systems Inc., the company that wrote the voting software used in 41 of Ohio's 88 counties.
According to a sworn statement from Sherole Eaton, the county's deputy director of elections, a TRIAD representative told her Friday he wanted to inspect the county's tabulating machine. She said the employee then told her that "the battery in the computer was dead and that the stored information was gone."
"He proceeded to take the computer apart and call his office to get information to input into our computer," Eaton said.
Conyers said similar TRIAD visits have been reported in other Ohio counties.
In a separate action, a federal judge in Akron on Tuesday rejected a lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union alleging the punch-card voting system was error-prone and ballots were more likely to go uncounted than votes cast in other ways. The ACLU also claimed Ohio violated the voting rights of blacks, a large number of whom live in punch-card counties.
However, U.S. District Judge David D. Dowd Jr. disagreed, saying, "No one is denied the opportunity to cast a valid vote because of their race."
Scrutiny of Ohio Ballots Begins
Two third-party candidates are paying for the recount in the state where Bush beat Kerry by 119,000 votes.
From Associated Press
December 16, 2004
CINCINNATI — In a scene reminiscent of Florida circa 2000, two teams of Republican and Democratic election workers held punch-card ballots up to the light Wednesday and whispered back and forth as they tried to divine the voters' intent from a few hanging chads.
Observers for the presidential campaigns of John F. Kerry, President Bush and Green Party candidate David Cobb kept watch from chairs a few feet away.
The scene is being repeated statewide this week in a recount in the state that put Bush over the top in the election last month.
Officially, Bush beat Kerry by 119,000 votes in Ohio, but two third-party candidates collected the required $113,600 for a recount they claimed would show serious irregularities. The Kerry campaign is supporting the recount, though it has acknowledged it will not change the outcome.
The recounts began this week. At least 35 of Ohio's 88 counties had completed their recounts or were starting Wednesday, according to a survey by Associated Press. Some of the tallies will not be complete until next week.
"It takes a lot of work, a lot of hours," said Kerry campaign observer Jeannette Harrison, 63, a real estate agent. "This is a job that has to be done."
In Cincinnati, Hamilton County workers grimaced in concentration as they examined the ballot holes up close. The scene called to mind the five weeks of recounts in Florida that made the terms "pregnant chad" and "butterfly ballot" famous.
Statewide, about 92,000 ballots cast in last month's presidential election failed to record a vote for president, most of them on punch-card systems.
Hamilton County workers wrote their results on tally sheets as they counted ballots from 30 precincts randomly selected from the county's 1,013 — a total of about 13,000 of 433,000 ballots cast in November in the county.
Under Ohio law, workers must hand count 3% of ballots. If the results match the certified results exactly, all other ballots can be recounted by machine. If the totals are off, all ballots must be counted by hand, adding days or weeks to the process.
Also Wednesday, Rep. John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.), a senior Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, urged the FBI to investigate possible election tampering in Hocking County involving an employee of TRIAD Governmental Systems Inc., the company that wrote the voting software used in 41 of Ohio's 88 counties.
According to a sworn statement from Sherole Eaton, the county's deputy director of elections, a TRIAD representative told her Friday he wanted to inspect the county's tabulating machine. She said the employee then told her that "the battery in the computer was dead and that the stored information was gone."
"He proceeded to take the computer apart and call his office to get information to input into our computer," Eaton said.
Conyers said similar TRIAD visits have been reported in other Ohio counties.
In a separate action, a federal judge in Akron on Tuesday rejected a lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union alleging the punch-card voting system was error-prone and ballots were more likely to go uncounted than votes cast in other ways. The ACLU also claimed Ohio violated the voting rights of blacks, a large number of whom live in punch-card counties.
However, U.S. District Judge David D. Dowd Jr. disagreed, saying, "No one is denied the opportunity to cast a valid vote because of their race."
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