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Sudie
from the December 16, 2004 edition - http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1216/p01s01-usmi.html

The pattern of discontent in US ranks


By Brad Knickerbocker | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor


Griping among the troops is as old as armed conflict, illustrated most memorably by cartoonist Bill Mauldin's "Willie and Joe" characters during World War II. But something more than that is happening now in Iraq with what appears to be growing resistance from the troops.

Evidence includes numbers of deserters (reportedly in the thousands), resignations of reserve officers, lawsuits by those whose duty period has been involuntarily extended, and a refusal to go on dangerous missions without proper equipment. There's also been a willingness at grunt level to publicly challenge the Pentagon - as Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld found out recently in a trip to the war zone, where he got an earful about unarmored humvees.

While some don't see much defiance - and, in fact, have been surprised by the depth of solidarity - others see an unusual amount of tension surfacing for an all-volunteer military force.

"What is driving the resistance is the same thing that drove it during Vietnam - a lack of trust in the civilian leadership and a sense that the uniformed leaders are not standing up for the forces," says retired Army Col. Dan Smith, a military analyst with the Friends Committee on National Legislation in Washington. Colonel Smith doesn't expect the kind of "fragging" incidents that occurred in Vietnam where soldiers attacked their own officers. "This force is too professional," he says. "But the lack of trust and the inequity of the tours will very likely be reflected in the numbers of Guard and reservists who vote no-confidence with their feet."

That already appears to be happening. The Army National Guard is short 5,000 new citizen-soldiers.

"Although generally successful in overall mission numbers, we continue to experience difficulty in attracting and retaining qualified individuals in certain critical wartime specialties," Army Reserve chief Lt. Gen. James Helmly told the House Armed Services Committee earlier this year.

The number of officers wanting to resign from the Army Reserve has jumped as well. And according to a recent report on CBS's "60 Minutes," the Defense Department acknowledges that more than 5,500 service personnel have deserted since the Iraq war began.

While the complaints and the resistance to following some military policies may pattern earlier conflicts, the fighting in Iraq has a unique context, experts say.

It's the first large-scale 21st-century conflict against an aggressive insurgency, causing thousands of US casualties; the first war in more than a generation in which homeland security and the threat of domestic terror attack seem so real; the first "semi-draft," with the Guard/reserve component approaching 50 percent of combat and combat support troops (and already taking more casualties than they did in Vietnam); and it's the first time in many years that soldiers have been ordered to serve beyond their commitments.

Legal challenges to military authority appear to be increasing as well, with more use of civilian attorneys than was seen in Vietnam. "It's very much in evidence," says Eugene Fidell, a former military lawyer who heads the National Institute of Military Justice. Mr. Fidell just finished teaching the first course on military issues at Harvard Law School since 1970.

All this is happening in an age when CNN brings live war coverage to the trenches and barracks, when troops are more aware of the successes and debacles on the battlefield than ever before. At the same time, reporters embedded with combat units, as well as e-mail and Internet access, make it easier for families and others back home to be heard by the soldiers - and for the soldiers to complain to them. This is especially true, perhaps, of citizen-soldiers, who are not only older than the average GI but more used to speaking out.

Since the fighting began in Iraq, the number of Guard and reserve troops on active duty has more than doubled. Critics say this is an indication that US forces are stretched too thin. One such critic is Senator John McCain ® of Arizona, a supporter of the war who declared this week that he had "no confidence" in Secretary Rumsfeld.

At this point, much of the data is scattered and anecdotal, like the doubling of desertions at the Army's Fort Bragg in North Carolina last year to about 200. It may be too early to draw exact comparisons with earlier wars, experts agree.

But they also note a growing trend for GIs to speak out and to find leverage points to protect their interests - including personal safety. "I am amazed that it is not greater," says retired Air Force Col. Sam Gardiner. "The war continues to go badly. Their equipment is in bad shape. Supply problems continue. Tours are extended. Many are on a second or third deployment to a combat zone. I would expect a louder voice."

A key issue for war planners is whether any of this adversely effects individual morale and unit performance. That remains an open question, particularly as the war goes on and its original rationale (weapons of mass destruction and ties to Al Qaeda) fades.

"Soldiers always gripe, and often with good reason," says Loren Thompson, head of security studies at the Lexington Institute in Arlington, Va. "But I don't see much evidence that the enemy in Iraq is eroding the will of US forces to fight. As long as US forces are well led, the gripes aren't likely to lead to more serious problems."

Others aren't so sure.

"When you are risking your life on the battlefield, the importance of knowing why you are doing so cannot be underestimated," says Ivan Eland, national security analyst at the Independent Institute in Oakland, Calif. "If soldiers don't know why they are fighting there or believe they've been hoodwinked, we may see the same phenomenon happen in Iraq as occurred in Vietnam."
ARMYDAD
Sudies,

Now, I know YOU didn't say this YOU only posted it,
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Evidence includes numbers of deserters (reportedly in the thousands),

BUT ARMYDAD HAS A PROBLEM WITH THAT STATEMENT. THIS REPORTER GOES A BIT "OVERBOARD" IN DESCRIBING THE DISCONTENT IN THE MILITARY "AT THIS TIME."

AS SOMEONE WHO DOE'S OPPOSE THE WAR IN IRAQ I DO AGREE THAT THE LONGER WE ARE THERE THE MORE TOWARD THAT DIRECTION "THE TROOPS," ESPECIALLY NATIONAL GUARD AND RESERVE WILL GO BUT I MUST CONCUR THAT THEY ARE NOT QUITE THERE AT THIS POINT NOW.

THERE'S A VAST DIFFERENCE ABOUT "REPORTS" OF A FEW HUNDRED AWOLS AT FORT BRAGG, NC (200 TO BE EXACT) AS REPORTED IN YOUR STORY AND THOUSANDS.

Brad Knickerbocker THE WRITER IS PUTTING A BIT OF LIBERAL EXAGGERATION (SPIN) ON THE REPORTS FOR EFFECT.

WE CAN OPPOSE AND EXPOSE THE MISTAKES OF BUSH'S WAR WITHOUT EXAGGERATION. JUST ARMYDAD'S HUMBLE OPINION.

MY BRO BAMMO AND I RANT AND RAVE (PROBABLY A BIT TOO MUCH), BUT OUR RAVINGS ARE BASED ON MODERATE FACTS AND A BEEN THERE DONE THAT "ATTITUDE."

THE BEST PART ABOUT YOUR ARTICLE THOUGH IS POINTING OUT THAT MEMBERS OF BUSH'S OWN PARTY ARE CONTINUING TO ATTACK HIS POLICIES IN IRAQ.

JOHN MCCAIN FOR EXAMPLE IS BEING EATEN ALIVE BY THE RIGHT-WING NUT MEDIA, ESPECIALLY LIMBAUGH AND HANNITY. SENATOR CHUCK HAGEL OF NEBRASKA WILL BE NEXT ON THEIR LIST IF THEY HAVEN'T STARTED ON HIM ALREADY.

IT IS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THE SWIFTBOAT CREW FOR BUSH AND OTHER GOP VETERANS FOR BUSH SET SAIL TO TORPEDO MCCAIN AND HAGEL FOR DARING TO QUESTION THEIR CHICKENHAWK IDOLS POLICIES IN IRAQ = HOW UNPATRIOTIC OF THEM. RIGHT - GET A GRIP cool.gif

FOR A WHILE THERE I LOST FAITH IN THE GOP VETERAN DOMINATED MILITARY OFFICERS ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA (MOAA) BUT MAYBE - JUST MAYBE - AT LAST A FEW OF THEM ARE STARTING TO COME AROUND TO SEE THE LIGHT
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CAN I HAVE A HALLELUJA ON THAT wink.gif

MOAA Poll

Do you approve or disapprove of the job Donald Rumsfeld is doing as Secretary of Defense?

*598 Responses

Approve
35%

Disapprove
65%

http://www.moaa.org/default.asp
ARMYDAD


IMAGE COURTESY OF ED STEIN, THE ROCKY MOUNTAIN NEWS, COLORADO
The_Bammo
ARMYDAD
LOL Bro', that is more than a cartoon of the "CHICKENHAWK" Rummy - for sure! That there is pretty much fact and this country better get off its bar stools and be heard Bro' before beaucoup coffins are not seen by the "SHRUB WAR MACHINE" ! Rant and Rave - LOL--ME? C'mon Bro' its the meds! LOL
ghostgovt
(The Pattern of Discontent in US Ranks)

Sh*t happens in wars based on lies and bullcrap. Especially when one's ass is on the line day in and day out while the govt plays games and slings sh*t around covering their asses. Try imagining having a 'commander in chief' like butt head Bush.... then playing 'his' war games in a no win situation... yep, even the lifers figures it out eventually. We will have many Iraq vets to cure when they come home because of this Iraqi mess. At least they get to come home to welcome arms.... unlike some other piece of sh*t war that ended up being 'commanded' by another sh*t head GOP prez a-hole. Vets have each other in war and in spirit back home... that's it.
Army SSG
QUOTE(ARMYDAD @ Dec 19 2004, 11:38 AM)


Thanks for the pic, "Dad." It's how this soldier feels. I can't say "LOL", it hits too close to home.
The_Bammo
ARMYDADRight on your post Bro' - for sure! There are way to many whacko conservatives and a swarm of whacko liberals out there. But the whackos that worry this dude the most Bro' is the two Chickenhawks in WP'S cartoon. The "SHRUB" and the "Rum Dum" ! Those two and a few more of that Chickenhawk Brigade is going to take a lot more wind out of the U.S. of A.'s sail the next four then it robbed from this country in their first four. This should be a four year term that will never be forgotten. Hope I am wrong Bro', but I think I see the light on down the road a ways!
The_Bammo
QUOTE(ghostgovt @ Dec 20 2004, 08:22 PM)
(The Pattern of Discontent in US Ranks)

Sh*t happens in wars based on lies and bullcrap. Especially when one's ass is on the line day in and day out while the govt plays games and slings sh*t around covering their asses. Try imagining having a 'commander in chief' like butt head Bush.... then playing 'his' war games in a no win situation... yep, even the lifers figures it out eventually. We will have many Iraq vets to cure when they come home because of this Iraqi mess. At least they get to come home to welcome arms.... unlike some other piece of sh*t war that ended up being 'commanded' by another sh*t head GOP prez a-hole.  Vets have each other in war and in spirit back home... that's it.
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ghostgovt
You got that right - for sure! Let me ask you a question, how hard would it be to salute a Chickenhawk like the "SHRUB" if you were a troop in his presence? Seriously ghostgovt, I would have to think about the consequences of not saluting the bum. And if I did it would be with the one finger version! LOL Hang Tough ghost and be well.
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