billfmsd
Feb 28 2009, 01:20 PM
Luke 3:11: John answered, "The man with two tunics should share with him who has none, and the one who has food should do the same."
Let's change that to "The man with two tunics should share with him who has none, only if that man who has none will change his ways and pledge his membership"
We've taken, "teach a man to fish" way too far in this world. Way more money, time, and effort is spent teaching a man to fish than what we would spend if we just gave away the fish we catch. Even worse, we aren't even willing to teach the man to fish until the man converts to whatever "ism" we think the man needs to fix his mind body and soul. We are even willing to spend money opposing or destroying the man that doesn't share our "isms."
It's not just greed that is sucking the economy dry and cause the rich to horde their wealth. It's conditional charity. More people are willing to help, but not until preconditions are met. And since nobody can agree on the best "ism" or preconditions, then we'll just have to sit on our wealth, indulge, or spend it to destroy our opponents until we have no more opponents.
Your thoughts?
rla
Feb 28 2009, 05:46 PM
QUOTE(billfmsd @ Feb 28 2009, 02:20 PM)

Luke 3:11: John answered, "The man with two tunics should share with him who has none, and the one who has food should do the same."
Let's change that to "The man with two tunics should share with him who has none, only if that man who has none will change his ways and pledge his membership"
We've taken, "teach a man to fish" way too far in this world. Way more money, time, and effort is spent teaching a man to fish than what we would spend if we just gave away the fish we catch. Even worse, we aren't even willing to teach the man to fish until the man converts to whatever "ism" we think the man needs to fix his mind body and soul. We are even willing to spend money opposing or destroying the man that doesn't share our "isms."
It's not just greed that is sucking the economy dry and cause the rich to horde their wealth. It's conditional charity. More people are willing to help, but not until preconditions are met. And since nobody can agree on the best "ism" or preconditions, then we'll just have to sit on our wealth, indulge, or spend it to destroy our opponents until we have no more opponents.
Your thoughts?
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heart
Mar 1 2009, 12:35 AM
I don't know what good has ever come from any "ism", but there is still merit to the "teach a man to fish argument'. I might add that a former coworker, who was also a good friend of mine, has a mother who is in charge of health care for South Africa. She has recounted the tale of the man who lived on a lake, and she approached him with the idea that he could go fishing to catch more fish than he needed. He replied that he did not want to do that, because every day he went fishing and caught fish enough for his family and he didn't understand why that wasn't enough. She tried to teach him that fishing for a few more fish would allow his family to flourish, but he did not see that. The fish were always going to be there, every day, so why should he do that. This is a point that was made in "Who Stole My Cheese", when the cheese is moved or gone many just keep trying to find the same cheese until they starve. I do not know how this man will feel when no more fish are in his lake, but that is the condition that he is set up for, and I am sorry, but life doesn't work that way. He needs a back up plan, and so do we all.
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billfmsd
Mar 1 2009, 12:52 PM
QUOTE(heart @ Mar 1 2009, 01:35 AM)

there is still merit to the "teach a man to fish argument'.
No disagreement here. It's just that we've taken it to the point of teaching the man way more than he needs to know in order to catch fish, or worse, teaching everything but how to catch fish. And we've used it as an excuse not to share our surplus of fish.
heart
Mar 1 2009, 10:46 PM
No system, taken to its extreme will ever work. In that sense, you're absolutely correct.
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