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graham4anything
this was in a separate thread one of the posts, however, I would like to expand this theory you have cutecat, to a new thread and discuss this.
Also note you use an interesting technique in assigning truth in your statement as 100% fact, so the dear reader just
assumes the part of the statement I am referring to is 100% truth fact in the way you write it.
A very interesting conspiracy theory you are weaving, and one which you are totally absolving Herr Bushie of all blame,
which is quite interesting. anyhoo- this is the post you made that I just noticed when another poster updated some info on that thread.
It lead me to a post I had not read or remembered reading. I shall discuss your theory more in the follow-up post, and just let your post below stand as the first one.

QUOTE(cutecat @ Dec 13 2008, 03:54 PM) *
Living in Omaha I can tell you White House one the Presidents plane landed at Offutt Air Base. We saw it come in and his being here was covered on our local news.
Rumor was he was out of control and needed to contact Chaney and military and time to calm down and get it together.

Now since Offutt is known for looking glass air planes and maneuvers A Military Doomsday Plane over White House would make sense.
I Had heard that Chaney had ordered planes shot down but never confirmed if one was. So if the conspirator's are saying this plane shot down the plane that crashed into the Pentagon I would not be surprised that no one would acknowledge. If it was a dooms day white house plane no one would talk about it.
I would suspect that film was the reason that the White House said they were targeted.

Also remember how fast every plane in the sky were landed. I rmember because my sister was on a plane from Omaha to Texas. I also remember the aviation reports showing how fast planes were landing and how fast the sky became empty.

graham4anything
What I find interesting in this is how you completely absolve Bush of any part of this by saying he was totally
wacky that day and out of it mentally.

But that goes against the facts we saw

Not only was he perfectly in control of himself in the morning, reading to those kids in the school the books,
but, he was perfectly content to stay there 20 minutes at least after supposedly the world was ending.

WHY did he put those kids in dire peril like that?

Bush was on a PUBLIC EVENT WELL PUBLICIZED that morning.

And it was the perfect alibi to say he had nothing to do with anything, because after all, how could he?
He was there in full public view reading to the little kiddies (and putting them in dire danger of having an airplane drop out of the sky right into that school building.)

Any kid loving person would have said, time to save the world kids, I gotta go, I wouldn't want you harmed, but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

President Bush stayed there for many precious minutes afterwards IN A PUBLIC PLACE ANYONE WHO WANTED TO WOULD HAVE KNOWN (like say 19 bumbling pilots, some WHO TRAINED IN FLORIDA too hee hee hee).

Any reasonable person would see that 1 plus 1 does not equal 2 here like the official story says.

I would "theorize" that this was the later Gray Davis situation redux
remember ole' Gray?
I happened to be a big fan of his, and was hoping he would ride his way into the White House either as President
or VP (with Al Gore perhaps) but he was taken out.
But back shortly after 9-11, Gray was going to close the bridges down in California because he got a threat in
and he acted switfly.
But then something odd happened- he got a call from highplaces in DC telling him to get those f'ing bridges open at once, that there was NOTHING going to happen.
Well, stupid ole' me always wondered, how da hell did THEY know that? They couldn't.

Unless of course, THEY DID ALL THE EVENTS and knew they didn't have one planned in California that day.
it is so clear a valley girl could gag on a spoon seeing that. (ha ha ha).

that is like the morning of 9/11 and bushie in the school. Putting all those kids in danger.
how did they know the kids weren't in danger?
Because THEY DID NOT PLAN TO HAVE THOSE KIDS WHO WERE BUSH'S ALIBI be in danger.

After all, they just needed Bush to have an alibi.

Simple columbo. Case closed.

Arneoker
Graham, I have some comments here:

1. You are being very unfair to Cutecat, and thus your posts demand a response.

2. It is quite rich of you to accuse Cutecat of assigning truth to things that aren't necessarily true. The irony is absolutely crushing!

3. And what claims of truth do you have a problem with? I will do an analysis of Cutecat's post, with claims of truth in red font, and speculation and reports of rumor in blue font:

Living in Omaha I can tell you White House one the Presidents plane landed at Offutt Air Base. We saw it come in and his being here was covered on our local news.
Rumor was he was out of control and needed to contact Chaney and military and time to calm down and get it together.

Now since Offutt is known for looking glass air planes and maneuvers A Military Doomsday Plane over White House would make sense.
I Had heard that Chaney had ordered planes shot down but never confirmed if one was. So if the conspirator's are saying this plane shot down the plane that crashed into the Pentagon I would not be surprised that no one would acknowledge. If it was a dooms day white house plane no one would talk about it.
I would suspect that film was the reason that the White House said they were targeted.


Also remember how fast every plane in the sky were landed. I rmember because my sister was on a plane from Omaha to Texas. I also remember the aviation reports showing how fast planes were landing and how fast the sky became empty.

Okay, first of all I would ask you if you agree what I have highlighted as claims of truth and what I have highlighted as speculation and reports of rumor. If we can agree on that I would ask you what claims of truth you would have problems with, and specifically what would absolve Bush of responsibility.
graham4anything
It is a topic open for discussion

I wrote her piece

I discussed my view on it

But it is a shift, arneoker that you do quite often yourself, you write absolving the blame for THEM when that is not
the fact, but it is written to inform the viewer that there is no opinion given, just fact.

That is one of the things Bush41 has done for 60 years now

He starts off saying
The honorable man of integrity Gerald Ford
when in fact, that is not true at all
Gerald Ford is NOT honorable and has no integrity known to fact.

But same way the Bush family says The failed presidency of Jimmy Carter

Putting the words around to frame decide the tone of the statement

And its done on purpose.

as said, I never saw this post by cutecat in Decemeber and its sure worth its own thread
and the other mistake you made- I never put her down, I am just discussing her post, as it so similiar to the one
where she posted two days ago
Arneoker
Graham, you accused Cutecat of passing off opinion as fact, and now you are dishonorably defending that accusation by shifting the subject to Bush.

Cutecat stated several things as fact, several things a opinion (of hers and of unstated others), and a few things as rumor.

Please state what you think she stated as fact that you think is nothing more than her opinion. If you can't do that then you obviously owe her an apology.
graham4anything
QUOTE(Arneoker @ Apr 9 2009, 05:17 PM) *
Graham, you accused Cutecat of passing off opinion as fact, and now you are dishonorably defending that accusation by shifting the subject to Bush.

Cutecat stated several things as fact, several things a opinion (of hers and of unstated others), and a few things as rumor.

Please state what you think she stated as fact that you think is nothing more than her opinion. If you can't do that then you obviously owe her an apology.



you always pick minutia that isn't even worth talking about

she said as fact that Bush was wacko that day and they needed to hide him

that is NOT fact at all

she belittled others on conspiracy theories, and saying bush is wacko is the biggest conspiracy theory I have ever heard in my life

and lets him and his administration off the hook

Can't think of any other logical explanation than letting Bush off. That to me is what is wacko.

as the original poster did not separate things in colors, but wrote all the words out together, there is NO division line

And 9-11 official story never needs anyone backing it. An official fact story should be 100% undeniable.

So I am not playing your semantics game here.
cutecat
QUOTE(Arneoker @ Apr 9 2009, 03:01 PM) *
Graham, I have some comments here:

1. You are being very unfair to Cutecat, and thus your posts demand a response.

2. It is quite rich of you to accuse Cutecat of assigning truth to things that aren't necessarily true. The irony is absolutely crushing!

3. And what claims of truth do you have a problem with? I will do an analysis of Cutecat's post, with claims of truth in red font, and speculation and reports of rumor in blue font:

Living in Omaha I can tell you White House one the Presidents plane landed at Offutt Air Base. We saw it come in and his being here was covered on our local news.
Rumor was he was out of control and needed to contact Chaney and military and time to calm down and get it together.

Now since Offutt is known for looking glass air planes and maneuvers A Military Doomsday Plane over White House would make sense.
I Had heard that Chaney had ordered planes shot down but never confirmed if one was. So if the conspirator's are saying this plane shot down the plane that crashed into the Pentagon I would not be surprised that no one would acknowledge. If it was a dooms day white house plane no one would talk about it.
I would suspect that film was the reason that the White House said they were targeted.


Also remember how fast every plane in the sky were landed. I rmember because my sister was on a plane from Omaha to Texas. I also remember the aviation reports showing how fast planes were landing and how fast the sky became empty.

Okay, first of all I would ask you if you agree what I have highlighted as claims of truth and what I have highlighted as speculation and reports of rumor. If we can agree on that I would ask you what claims of truth you would have problems with, and specifically what would absolve Bush of responsibility.


This is a perfect and completely acceptable response and I accept it as rebuttal to Graham on this subject. So end of this discussion.
By the way I would like to say that is an old post. I would never presume to defend Bush as the naseua would overcome me. You know I just don't remember........................................... I moved on.
graham4anything
It was in the thread magmak left a reply in last night. (and is credited/dated as such).

from Dec.08, which is not that far back.(we are in I think April 09).

http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/for...howtopic=104032


but the important part is how Bush was put in a school with all those kids and the kids were exposed for a long time after the 1st plane hit (which they knew before they went in), and long after the 2nd plane hit (Card had whispered in his ear).

That is what should never be forgotten- Bush went in knowing what was happening

and only logical explanation was it was an alibi, to have him there in public, to be seen
Arneoker
QUOTE(cutecat @ Apr 9 2009, 05:48 PM) *
QUOTE(Arneoker @ Apr 9 2009, 03:01 PM) *
Graham, I have some comments here:

1. You are being very unfair to Cutecat, and thus your posts demand a response.

2. It is quite rich of you to accuse Cutecat of assigning truth to things that aren't necessarily true. The irony is absolutely crushing!

3. And what claims of truth do you have a problem with? I will do an analysis of Cutecat's post, with claims of truth in red font, and speculation and reports of rumor in blue font:

Living in Omaha I can tell you White House one the Presidents plane landed at Offutt Air Base. We saw it come in and his being here was covered on our local news.
Rumor was he was out of control and needed to contact Chaney and military and time to calm down and get it together.

Now since Offutt is known for looking glass air planes and maneuvers A Military Doomsday Plane over White House would make sense.
I Had heard that Chaney had ordered planes shot down but never confirmed if one was. So if the conspirator's are saying this plane shot down the plane that crashed into the Pentagon I would not be surprised that no one would acknowledge. If it was a dooms day white house plane no one would talk about it.
I would suspect that film was the reason that the White House said they were targeted.


Also remember how fast every plane in the sky were landed. I rmember because my sister was on a plane from Omaha to Texas. I also remember the aviation reports showing how fast planes were landing and how fast the sky became empty.

Okay, first of all I would ask you if you agree what I have highlighted as claims of truth and what I have highlighted as speculation and reports of rumor. If we can agree on that I would ask you what claims of truth you would have problems with, and specifically what would absolve Bush of responsibility.


This is a perfect and completely acceptable response and I accept it as rebuttal to Graham on this subject. So end of this discussion.
By the way I would like to say that is an old post. I would never presume to defend Bush as the naseua would overcome me. You know I just don't remember........................................... I moved on.

I agree, end of discussion, nothing more needs to said. Thanks.
cutecat
OK Graham you thought I was talking about you and not to you when I tried honestly to explain why the theories of conspiracy send up caution and red lights.

First Graham none of it was about you.............................................................................
....!

I did reveal too much personal information about my family members SO IF THEY READ THE SITE THEIR WRATH I MAY DESERVE.

So again Graham it is not about you.

First conspiracy theory you introduced to me on this CGCS site was morgue pictures of John Kennedy.

My dad was a friend of the Kennedy, because of that over time I meant many of them. My dad returned from Bobby Kennedy funeral and died of a heart attack (broken Heart) at our state convention after telling people he did not know what to do but felt sick

I posted a link to a documentary called "68" the year Nebraska mattered. Graham that is my dad in the video and when the documentary was made that was the first time I had heard his voice in 40 years.

If you want to go back through my old post you can find the link and the film is still there.

I am not on this site for any reason then to discuses, argue amiably and have people I can talk to.
graham4anything
this thread has nothing to do with you personally cutecat

you seemed to misunderstand the point of it, as did arneoker (though he might not have and decided to make it personal to on purpose ignore what I am saying, like the four questions were ignored a few weeks ago)

It has to do with Bush and the family including Jeb-who was in the news again today, and who is angling to finish the job come 2016.

Bush was not out of control 9-11 and needing time to compose himself.

Bush was doing what he was ordered to do as an alibi. That is the important part of this piece of the puzzle.

It is not about anyones mental health at all. But about W Bush. It is always about the Bush's.

Were the official story of 9-11 true, they never would have kept him in a public place, he never would even have entered the school at all, being that he knew about the first one way before, (but that is what an alibi is for.)

Perry Mason would have broken this case within 10 minutes without breaking a sweat.
Arneoker
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Apr 10 2009, 02:39 AM) *
this thread has nothing to do with you personally cutecat

you seemed to misunderstand the point of it, as did arneoker (though he might not have and decided to make it personal to on purpose ignore what I am saying, like the four questions were ignored a few weeks ago)

It has to do with Bush and the family including Jeb-who was in the news again today, and who is angling to finish the job come 2016.

Bush was not out of control 9-11 and needing time to compose himself.

Bush was doing what he was ordered to do as an alibi. That is the important part of this piece of the puzzle.

It is not about anyones mental health at all. But about W Bush. It is always about the Bush's.

Were the official story of 9-11 true, they never would have kept him in a public place, he never would even have entered the school at all, being that he knew about the first one way before, (but that is what an alibi is for.)

Perry Mason would have broken this case within 10 minutes without breaking a sweat.

Okay Graham, you say that it was not about Cutecat, but about Bush. I sure didn't seem that way at first, it seemed to be about both, but I was dropping that controversy anyway, Cutecat seems cool, and now you are saying this had nothing to do with Cutecat in the first place. So fine.

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