This is a nice stigmna our kids are now faced with thanks to Bush & Co.
Posted on: Friday, December 17, 2004
Concerns raised over school privacy notice
By Treena Shapiro
Education Writer
Sybil Arum's eighth-grade granddaughter came home this week worried that she was on the verge of being drafted by the military and sent off to war.
The reason for her fear was the Department of Education's annual privacy notice, which says contact information for secondary students as young as sixth-graders may be released to military recruiters unless the student, parent or legal guardian requests otherwise.
Arum, who is the child's guardian, quickly determined that her granddaughter was not being shipped off to Iraq, but became alarmed anyway.
"I'm very upset with the age level that this policy encompasses," she said.
DOE and U.S. Department of Defense officials, however, stress that the military is only interested in students who are 17 and older and will not be following up with students as young as sixth-graders.
"We don't just automatically release (the information to recruiters); it would have to be on request," said DOE spokesman Greg Knudsen. "Recruiters have told us that their interest is in juniors and seniors."
The privacy form, which also includes other disclosure information, goes to all public school students across the state. Many schools have sent the form out; at others, it is making its way to homes this week.
The form has been sent out for years as part of routine DOE information gathering to be used in the release of such things as honors and awards.
But this is only the second year that it has included the notice of potential disclosure to the military.
The release of information is part of the federal No Child Left Behind Act, which requires all school systems receiving NCLB money to make the contact information available to military recruiters or risk losing federal money. The law also requires schools to give military recruiters the same on-campus access they would give to prospective employers, colleges and other post-secondary education institutions.
Because private schools are not affected by NCLB, Arum is concerned that only public school students will be included in the recruiters' databases.
"Who are the military going to call on first?" she asked. "The kids that are going to be in that file are public school kids, not the private school kids."
Middle-school principals reached yesterday declined to comment on the issue, but said no recruiters had ever requested information on their students in sixth through eighth grade.
"In some way, this (form) might be needlessly alarming people," DOE's Knudsen acknowledged. However, he noted that there have not been widespread complaints.
Maj. Chuck Anthony, spokesman for the state Department of Defense, confirmed that no one under the age of 17 should receive recruitment materials.
In fact, he added that if younger students request information about enlisting, the recruiters tell them to come back when they turn 17.
Further, even if students' information is released to recruiters, this does not obligate them to do anything.
"If the mother is that concerned or the daughter is uninterested, all they have to do is say no," Anthony said. "It's not like a sheriff comes with a summons and says, 'You've been served.' "
Paul Vierling, the Hawai'i Parent Teacher Student Association's community relations specialist, said concern over having information released to the military is unfounded. "I don't see any problem with it," he said.
Countries that require military service have seen positive outcomes on their society because the military teaches the importance of community service, giving back and making contributions, Vierling said.
But parents who don't agree can just request that their children's information be kept private. "If people don't want their information shared, I think that's fine, as long as they have the choice," said Vierling.
Under the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, the DOE is required to send home a notice every year that includes several types of disclosures, including that student contact information could be given to military recruiters.
Knudsen said the notice sent home this year was similar to the one last year, when the notice about release of information to military recruiters was more prominent.
Arum said she regularly requests that her child's information be withheld, but does not remember the military recruiter part from last year. She suspects that other parents could miss it as well, unless they carefully read the form.
"It can be very intimidating and confusing for someone who is not going to read the whole thing," she said.
She said kids are confused because they think if they do not allow their information to be disclosed, they won't be able to appear in the yearbook.
Lois Perrin, legal director at the American Civil Liberties Union, said the issue came up last year when it turned out that information was released to recruiters about students who specifically asked that it be withheld.
She said the DOE has since rectified the problem and is adjusting the way nondisclosure statements are handled.
By next year, in addition to the annual disclosure notice, a separate notice will be mailed to secondary students and their parents or guardians specifically on releasing information to military recruiters and how to opt out.
School administrators will be asked for written verification that both notices were distributed.
In addition, the nondisclosure requests from the previous year will be retained until this school year's requests are processed.
Perrin, who is concerned about privacy issues for public school students, said the ideal process would be to have student opt in if they want their contact information released.
However, Knudsen said NCLB stipulates that the parents or students must initiate the request to restrict disclosure.
Reach Treena Shapiro at tshapiro@honoluluadvertiser.com or 525-8014.
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How scary for the little kids. Why are they at a middle school anyways? Do you have a link to the story? Thanks.
QUOTE(tazvil04 @ Dec 20 2004, 11:56 AM)
This is a nice stigmna our kids are now faced with thanks to Bush & Co.
Posted on: Friday, December 17, 2004
Concerns raised over school privacy notice
By Treena Shapiro
Education Writer
Sybil Arum's eighth-grade granddaughter came home this week worried that she was on the verge of being drafted by the military and sent off to war.
The reason for her fear was the Department of Education's annual privacy notice, which says contact information for secondary students as young as sixth-graders may be released to military recruiters unless the student, parent or legal guardian requests otherwise.
Arum, who is the child's guardian, quickly determined that her granddaughter was not being shipped off to Iraq, but became alarmed anyway.
"I'm very upset with the age level that this policy encompasses," she said.
DOE and U.S. Department of Defense officials, however, stress that the military is only interested in students who are 17 and older and will not be following up with students as young as sixth-graders.
"We don't just automatically release (the information to recruiters); it would have to be on request," said DOE spokesman Greg Knudsen. "Recruiters have told us that their interest is in juniors and seniors."
The privacy form, which also includes other disclosure information, goes to all public school students across the state. Many schools have sent the form out; at others, it is making its way to homes this week.
The form has been sent out for years as part of routine DOE information gathering to be used in the release of such things as honors and awards.
But this is only the second year that it has included the notice of potential disclosure to the military.
The release of information is part of the federal No Child Left Behind Act, which requires all school systems receiving NCLB money to make the contact information available to military recruiters or risk losing federal money. The law also requires schools to give military recruiters the same on-campus access they would give to prospective employers, colleges and other post-secondary education institutions.
Because private schools are not affected by NCLB, Arum is concerned that only public school students will be included in the recruiters' databases.
"Who are the military going to call on first?" she asked. "The kids that are going to be in that file are public school kids, not the private school kids."
Middle-school principals reached yesterday declined to comment on the issue, but said no recruiters had ever requested information on their students in sixth through eighth grade.
"In some way, this (form) might be needlessly alarming people," DOE's Knudsen acknowledged. However, he noted that there have not been widespread complaints.
Maj. Chuck Anthony, spokesman for the state Department of Defense, confirmed that no one under the age of 17 should receive recruitment materials.
In fact, he added that if younger students request information about enlisting, the recruiters tell them to come back when they turn 17.
Further, even if students' information is released to recruiters, this does not obligate them to do anything.
"If the mother is that concerned or the daughter is uninterested, all they have to do is say no," Anthony said. "It's not like a sheriff comes with a summons and says, 'You've been served.' "
Paul Vierling, the Hawai'i Parent Teacher Student Association's community relations specialist, said concern over having information released to the military is unfounded. "I don't see any problem with it," he said.
Countries that require military service have seen positive outcomes on their society because the military teaches the importance of community service, giving back and making contributions, Vierling said.
But parents who don't agree can just request that their children's information be kept private. "If people don't want their information shared, I think that's fine, as long as they have the choice," said Vierling.
Under the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, the DOE is required to send home a notice every year that includes several types of disclosures, including that student contact information could be given to military recruiters.
Knudsen said the notice sent home this year was similar to the one last year, when the notice about release of information to military recruiters was more prominent.
Arum said she regularly requests that her child's information be withheld, but does not remember the military recruiter part from last year. She suspects that other parents could miss it as well, unless they carefully read the form.
"It can be very intimidating and confusing for someone who is not going to read the whole thing," she said.
She said kids are confused because they think if they do not allow their information to be disclosed, they won't be able to appear in the yearbook.
Lois Perrin, legal director at the American Civil Liberties Union, said the issue came up last year when it turned out that information was released to recruiters about students who specifically asked that it be withheld.
She said the DOE has since rectified the problem and is adjusting the way nondisclosure statements are handled.
By next year, in addition to the annual disclosure notice, a separate notice will be mailed to secondary students and their parents or guardians specifically on releasing information to military recruiters and how to opt out.
School administrators will be asked for written verification that both notices were distributed.
In addition, the nondisclosure requests from the previous year will be retained until this school year's requests are processed.
Perrin, who is concerned about privacy issues for public school students, said the ideal process would be to have student opt in if they want their contact information released.
However, Knudsen said NCLB stipulates that the parents or students must initiate the request to restrict disclosure.
Reach Treena Shapiro at tshapiro@honoluluadvertiser.com or 525-8014.
Posted on: Friday, December 17, 2004
Concerns raised over school privacy notice
By Treena Shapiro
Education Writer
Sybil Arum's eighth-grade granddaughter came home this week worried that she was on the verge of being drafted by the military and sent off to war.
The reason for her fear was the Department of Education's annual privacy notice, which says contact information for secondary students as young as sixth-graders may be released to military recruiters unless the student, parent or legal guardian requests otherwise.
Arum, who is the child's guardian, quickly determined that her granddaughter was not being shipped off to Iraq, but became alarmed anyway.
"I'm very upset with the age level that this policy encompasses," she said.
DOE and U.S. Department of Defense officials, however, stress that the military is only interested in students who are 17 and older and will not be following up with students as young as sixth-graders.
"We don't just automatically release (the information to recruiters); it would have to be on request," said DOE spokesman Greg Knudsen. "Recruiters have told us that their interest is in juniors and seniors."
The privacy form, which also includes other disclosure information, goes to all public school students across the state. Many schools have sent the form out; at others, it is making its way to homes this week.
The form has been sent out for years as part of routine DOE information gathering to be used in the release of such things as honors and awards.
But this is only the second year that it has included the notice of potential disclosure to the military.
The release of information is part of the federal No Child Left Behind Act, which requires all school systems receiving NCLB money to make the contact information available to military recruiters or risk losing federal money. The law also requires schools to give military recruiters the same on-campus access they would give to prospective employers, colleges and other post-secondary education institutions.
Because private schools are not affected by NCLB, Arum is concerned that only public school students will be included in the recruiters' databases.
"Who are the military going to call on first?" she asked. "The kids that are going to be in that file are public school kids, not the private school kids."
Middle-school principals reached yesterday declined to comment on the issue, but said no recruiters had ever requested information on their students in sixth through eighth grade.
"In some way, this (form) might be needlessly alarming people," DOE's Knudsen acknowledged. However, he noted that there have not been widespread complaints.
Maj. Chuck Anthony, spokesman for the state Department of Defense, confirmed that no one under the age of 17 should receive recruitment materials.
In fact, he added that if younger students request information about enlisting, the recruiters tell them to come back when they turn 17.
Further, even if students' information is released to recruiters, this does not obligate them to do anything.
"If the mother is that concerned or the daughter is uninterested, all they have to do is say no," Anthony said. "It's not like a sheriff comes with a summons and says, 'You've been served.' "
Paul Vierling, the Hawai'i Parent Teacher Student Association's community relations specialist, said concern over having information released to the military is unfounded. "I don't see any problem with it," he said.
Countries that require military service have seen positive outcomes on their society because the military teaches the importance of community service, giving back and making contributions, Vierling said.
But parents who don't agree can just request that their children's information be kept private. "If people don't want their information shared, I think that's fine, as long as they have the choice," said Vierling.
Under the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, the DOE is required to send home a notice every year that includes several types of disclosures, including that student contact information could be given to military recruiters.
Knudsen said the notice sent home this year was similar to the one last year, when the notice about release of information to military recruiters was more prominent.
Arum said she regularly requests that her child's information be withheld, but does not remember the military recruiter part from last year. She suspects that other parents could miss it as well, unless they carefully read the form.
"It can be very intimidating and confusing for someone who is not going to read the whole thing," she said.
She said kids are confused because they think if they do not allow their information to be disclosed, they won't be able to appear in the yearbook.
Lois Perrin, legal director at the American Civil Liberties Union, said the issue came up last year when it turned out that information was released to recruiters about students who specifically asked that it be withheld.
She said the DOE has since rectified the problem and is adjusting the way nondisclosure statements are handled.
By next year, in addition to the annual disclosure notice, a separate notice will be mailed to secondary students and their parents or guardians specifically on releasing information to military recruiters and how to opt out.
School administrators will be asked for written verification that both notices were distributed.
In addition, the nondisclosure requests from the previous year will be retained until this school year's requests are processed.
Perrin, who is concerned about privacy issues for public school students, said the ideal process would be to have student opt in if they want their contact information released.
However, Knudsen said NCLB stipulates that the parents or students must initiate the request to restrict disclosure.
Reach Treena Shapiro at tshapiro@honoluluadvertiser.com or 525-8014.
Oh and also try googling "No Child Left Behind and the military". You'll get a surprise.
QUOTE(tazvil04 @ Dec 20 2004, 11:56 AM)
This is a nice stigmna our kids are now faced with thanks to Bush & Co.
Posted on: Friday, December 17, 2004
Concerns raised over school privacy notice
By Treena Shapiro
Education Writer
Sybil Arum's eighth-grade granddaughter came home this week worried that she was on the verge of being drafted by the military and sent off to war.
The reason for her fear was the Department of Education's annual privacy notice, which says contact information for secondary students as young as sixth-graders may be released to military recruiters unless the student, parent or legal guardian requests otherwise.
Arum, who is the child's guardian, quickly determined that her granddaughter was not being shipped off to Iraq, but became alarmed anyway.
"I'm very upset with the age level that this policy encompasses," she said.
DOE and U.S. Department of Defense officials, however, stress that the military is only interested in students who are 17 and older and will not be following up with students as young as sixth-graders.
"We don't just automatically release (the information to recruiters); it would have to be on request," said DOE spokesman Greg Knudsen. "Recruiters have told us that their interest is in juniors and seniors."
The privacy form, which also includes other disclosure information, goes to all public school students across the state. Many schools have sent the form out; at others, it is making its way to homes this week.
The form has been sent out for years as part of routine DOE information gathering to be used in the release of such things as honors and awards.
But this is only the second year that it has included the notice of potential disclosure to the military.
The release of information is part of the federal No Child Left Behind Act, which requires all school systems receiving NCLB money to make the contact information available to military recruiters or risk losing federal money. The law also requires schools to give military recruiters the same on-campus access they would give to prospective employers, colleges and other post-secondary education institutions.
Because private schools are not affected by NCLB, Arum is concerned that only public school students will be included in the recruiters' databases.
"Who are the military going to call on first?" she asked. "The kids that are going to be in that file are public school kids, not the private school kids."
Middle-school principals reached yesterday declined to comment on the issue, but said no recruiters had ever requested information on their students in sixth through eighth grade.
"In some way, this (form) might be needlessly alarming people," DOE's Knudsen acknowledged. However, he noted that there have not been widespread complaints.
Maj. Chuck Anthony, spokesman for the state Department of Defense, confirmed that no one under the age of 17 should receive recruitment materials.
In fact, he added that if younger students request information about enlisting, the recruiters tell them to come back when they turn 17.
Further, even if students' information is released to recruiters, this does not obligate them to do anything.
"If the mother is that concerned or the daughter is uninterested, all they have to do is say no," Anthony said. "It's not like a sheriff comes with a summons and says, 'You've been served.' "
Paul Vierling, the Hawai'i Parent Teacher Student Association's community relations specialist, said concern over having information released to the military is unfounded. "I don't see any problem with it," he said.
Countries that require military service have seen positive outcomes on their society because the military teaches the importance of community service, giving back and making contributions, Vierling said.
But parents who don't agree can just request that their children's information be kept private. "If people don't want their information shared, I think that's fine, as long as they have the choice," said Vierling.
Under the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, the DOE is required to send home a notice every year that includes several types of disclosures, including that student contact information could be given to military recruiters.
Knudsen said the notice sent home this year was similar to the one last year, when the notice about release of information to military recruiters was more prominent.
Arum said she regularly requests that her child's information be withheld, but does not remember the military recruiter part from last year. She suspects that other parents could miss it as well, unless they carefully read the form.
"It can be very intimidating and confusing for someone who is not going to read the whole thing," she said.
She said kids are confused because they think if they do not allow their information to be disclosed, they won't be able to appear in the yearbook.
Lois Perrin, legal director at the American Civil Liberties Union, said the issue came up last year when it turned out that information was released to recruiters about students who specifically asked that it be withheld.
She said the DOE has since rectified the problem and is adjusting the way nondisclosure statements are handled.
By next year, in addition to the annual disclosure notice, a separate notice will be mailed to secondary students and their parents or guardians specifically on releasing information to military recruiters and how to opt out.
School administrators will be asked for written verification that both notices were distributed.
In addition, the nondisclosure requests from the previous year will be retained until this school year's requests are processed.
Perrin, who is concerned about privacy issues for public school students, said the ideal process would be to have student opt in if they want their contact information released.
However, Knudsen said NCLB stipulates that the parents or students must initiate the request to restrict disclosure.
Reach Treena Shapiro at tshapiro@honoluluadvertiser.com or 525-8014.
Posted on: Friday, December 17, 2004
Concerns raised over school privacy notice
By Treena Shapiro
Education Writer
Sybil Arum's eighth-grade granddaughter came home this week worried that she was on the verge of being drafted by the military and sent off to war.
The reason for her fear was the Department of Education's annual privacy notice, which says contact information for secondary students as young as sixth-graders may be released to military recruiters unless the student, parent or legal guardian requests otherwise.
Arum, who is the child's guardian, quickly determined that her granddaughter was not being shipped off to Iraq, but became alarmed anyway.
"I'm very upset with the age level that this policy encompasses," she said.
DOE and U.S. Department of Defense officials, however, stress that the military is only interested in students who are 17 and older and will not be following up with students as young as sixth-graders.
"We don't just automatically release (the information to recruiters); it would have to be on request," said DOE spokesman Greg Knudsen. "Recruiters have told us that their interest is in juniors and seniors."
The privacy form, which also includes other disclosure information, goes to all public school students across the state. Many schools have sent the form out; at others, it is making its way to homes this week.
The form has been sent out for years as part of routine DOE information gathering to be used in the release of such things as honors and awards.
But this is only the second year that it has included the notice of potential disclosure to the military.
The release of information is part of the federal No Child Left Behind Act, which requires all school systems receiving NCLB money to make the contact information available to military recruiters or risk losing federal money. The law also requires schools to give military recruiters the same on-campus access they would give to prospective employers, colleges and other post-secondary education institutions.
Because private schools are not affected by NCLB, Arum is concerned that only public school students will be included in the recruiters' databases.
"Who are the military going to call on first?" she asked. "The kids that are going to be in that file are public school kids, not the private school kids."
Middle-school principals reached yesterday declined to comment on the issue, but said no recruiters had ever requested information on their students in sixth through eighth grade.
"In some way, this (form) might be needlessly alarming people," DOE's Knudsen acknowledged. However, he noted that there have not been widespread complaints.
Maj. Chuck Anthony, spokesman for the state Department of Defense, confirmed that no one under the age of 17 should receive recruitment materials.
In fact, he added that if younger students request information about enlisting, the recruiters tell them to come back when they turn 17.
Further, even if students' information is released to recruiters, this does not obligate them to do anything.
"If the mother is that concerned or the daughter is uninterested, all they have to do is say no," Anthony said. "It's not like a sheriff comes with a summons and says, 'You've been served.' "
Paul Vierling, the Hawai'i Parent Teacher Student Association's community relations specialist, said concern over having information released to the military is unfounded. "I don't see any problem with it," he said.
Countries that require military service have seen positive outcomes on their society because the military teaches the importance of community service, giving back and making contributions, Vierling said.
But parents who don't agree can just request that their children's information be kept private. "If people don't want their information shared, I think that's fine, as long as they have the choice," said Vierling.
Under the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, the DOE is required to send home a notice every year that includes several types of disclosures, including that student contact information could be given to military recruiters.
Knudsen said the notice sent home this year was similar to the one last year, when the notice about release of information to military recruiters was more prominent.
Arum said she regularly requests that her child's information be withheld, but does not remember the military recruiter part from last year. She suspects that other parents could miss it as well, unless they carefully read the form.
"It can be very intimidating and confusing for someone who is not going to read the whole thing," she said.
She said kids are confused because they think if they do not allow their information to be disclosed, they won't be able to appear in the yearbook.
Lois Perrin, legal director at the American Civil Liberties Union, said the issue came up last year when it turned out that information was released to recruiters about students who specifically asked that it be withheld.
She said the DOE has since rectified the problem and is adjusting the way nondisclosure statements are handled.
By next year, in addition to the annual disclosure notice, a separate notice will be mailed to secondary students and their parents or guardians specifically on releasing information to military recruiters and how to opt out.
School administrators will be asked for written verification that both notices were distributed.
In addition, the nondisclosure requests from the previous year will be retained until this school year's requests are processed.
Perrin, who is concerned about privacy issues for public school students, said the ideal process would be to have student opt in if they want their contact information released.
However, Knudsen said NCLB stipulates that the parents or students must initiate the request to restrict disclosure.
Reach Treena Shapiro at tshapiro@honoluluadvertiser.com or 525-8014.
Every school district should adopt the policy that no recruiter from any employer will be allowed on campus if that company discriminates on the basis of sexual orientation. That will get the military off high school campuses.
I like that.
I also think that they should not be recruiting kids between sixth and eighth grade - I mean we can start in high school - but grade school - junior high - come on...
I also think that they should not be recruiting kids between sixth and eighth grade - I mean we can start in high school - but grade school - junior high - come on...
Military recruiters should only be allowed on campuses on college nights- when colleges come on campus to recruit. I do not know of any businesses that come to high schools to recruit, at least not here in Florida.
As for the forms- I haven't a clue. I do not believe I have seen any for my high school son.
However, when he was a freshman in high school (age 14) he was approached in the school library by a military recruiter, who apparently had free run of the school campus. This was during class- not after school.
My primary objection to all recruitment of kids is that the frontal lobes of their brains are not
developed, on average, until they are around 21. In other words, they are incapable, through no fault of their own, from making good, thorough judgments.
And, yes, I believe this is why the young, all over the world, are the ones chosen to fight wars first. Why not wait until young people are 22 or 23 ???........... the answer is obvious.
Remember when you felt you were invincible and nothing bad would happen to you ?
As for the forms- I haven't a clue. I do not believe I have seen any for my high school son.
However, when he was a freshman in high school (age 14) he was approached in the school library by a military recruiter, who apparently had free run of the school campus. This was during class- not after school.
My primary objection to all recruitment of kids is that the frontal lobes of their brains are not
developed, on average, until they are around 21. In other words, they are incapable, through no fault of their own, from making good, thorough judgments.
And, yes, I believe this is why the young, all over the world, are the ones chosen to fight wars first. Why not wait until young people are 22 or 23 ???........... the answer is obvious.
Remember when you felt you were invincible and nothing bad would happen to you ?
yes they had a military person around a few weeks ago in our local elementary school. He wasn't frightening.
QUOTE(tazvil04 @ Dec 20 2004, 05:06 PM)
I like that.
I also think that they should not be recruiting kids between sixth and eighth grade - I mean we can start in high school - but grade school - junior high - come on...
I also think that they should not be recruiting kids between sixth and eighth grade - I mean we can start in high school - but grade school - junior high - come on...
Recruiting starts early:
1. Air shows. The Air Force has a trailer filled with video games. To get admission, the child needs to enter his/her name, address, phone, birthday, etc. In exchange, the child gets a nice photo ID badge (did I mention their photo is taken?). Data is kept in a military database for use at the appropriate time in the future.
2. Video games themselves. Teaches kids how to operate high tech weapons systems.
3. Guard displays at county fairs.
4. Junior ROTC.
Yep, they go after the young ones....
I hadn't heard anything about this. Interesting since I have a 7th grader.
My 4th grader had a visitor to his classroom recently. It was a soldier back from Iraq with a prosthetic arm. I asked my son a lot of questions about what was said. I was trying to gage if it was a biased presentation either way. Fortunatly it wasn't...but for 9 and 10 year olds..it must have been thought provoking.
My 4th grader had a visitor to his classroom recently. It was a soldier back from Iraq with a prosthetic arm. I asked my son a lot of questions about what was said. I was trying to gage if it was a biased presentation either way. Fortunatly it wasn't...but for 9 and 10 year olds..it must have been thought provoking.
I don't get any calls thankfully I have a medical reason that I can not serve. I did however in high school recieve a call from someone trying to get me to join the military. I told them I don't believe in killing anyone so please stop calling and hung up on them.
A year after my brother got out of high school he started getting phone calls every couple weeks and all they asked him was if he was still in school and "checking up" on him. *shrug* After a while it got really old so my Mom finally told them to just stop calling since they never asked if he was interested in the military. Just if he was still in school. *shrug* After my Mom told them to stop calling and if they called again she'd report them to their supervisor (or whatever they're called) and since then we haven't heard back.
QUOTE(JasonATexan @ Dec 20 2004, 07:05 PM)
I don't get any calls thankfully I have a medical reason that I can not serve. I did however in high school recieve a call from someone trying to get me to join the military. I told them I don't believe in killing anyone so please stop calling and hung up on them.
They should only be allowed to bother kids whose parents voted for Bush.
WOW an Eight grader fearing she will be drafted.
WOW where how has america's education system come to this.
That girl needs some history and Current events education asap.
WOW where how has america's education system come to this.
That girl needs some history and Current events education asap.
Here's something for young kids to really be afraid of!
The photo didn't work. 
QUOTE(flydangler @ Dec 20 2004, 08:03 PM)
Here's something for young kids to really be afraid of!
QUOTE(JasonATexan @ Dec 20 2004, 06:05 PM)
I don't get any calls thankfully I have a medical reason that I can not serve. I did however in high school recieve a call from someone trying to get me to join the military. I told them I don't believe in killing anyone so please stop calling and hung up on them.
Funny, I had different experience with the Marine Corp. Back in the day (1973), the draft was about to end. Somewhere a Marine Recruiter kept calling me. He kept making sure I saw every leaflet and letter telling how they would give me some much money for school. After weeks of phone calls and mail form then, the recruiter tried to pin point me into saying "Yes". Still, I had objections and finally told him "Not at this time", he said,"Well, when?” I replied, "Maybe, never?” he hung-up the phone quick. Two weeks later I received a call from a women trying to recruit me into the Women Marines. When she heard my deep male voice, again another hang-up. A few good women?
What about boy or cub scouts?
QUOTE(PaineInTheArse @ Dec 20 2004, 06:58 PM)
Recruiting starts early:
1. Air shows. The Air Force has a trailer filled with video games. To get admission, the child needs to enter his/her name, address, phone, birthday, etc. In exchange, the child gets a nice photo ID badge (did I mention their photo is taken?). Data is kept in a military database for use at the appropriate time in the future.
2. Video games themselves. Teaches kids how to operate high tech weapons systems.
3. Guard displays at county fairs.
4. Junior ROTC.
Yep, they go after the young ones....
1. Air shows. The Air Force has a trailer filled with video games. To get admission, the child needs to enter his/her name, address, phone, birthday, etc. In exchange, the child gets a nice photo ID badge (did I mention their photo is taken?). Data is kept in a military database for use at the appropriate time in the future.
2. Video games themselves. Teaches kids how to operate high tech weapons systems.
3. Guard displays at county fairs.
4. Junior ROTC.
Yep, they go after the young ones....
That's funny about the women calling you.
QUOTE(toadman @ Dec 20 2004, 10:13 PM)
Funny, I had different experience with the Marine Corp. Back in the day (1973), the draft was about to end. Somewhere a Marine Recruiter kept calling me. He kept making sure I saw every leaflet and letter telling how they would give me some much money for school. After weeks of phone calls and mail form then, the recruiter tried to pin point me into saying "Yes". Still, I had objections and finally told him "Not at this time", he said,"Well, when?” I replied, "Maybe, never?” he hung-up the phone quick. Two weeks later I received a call from a women trying to recruit me into the Women Marines. When she heard my deep male voice, again another hang-up. A few good women?
QUOTE(CrowNotAngelGRL @ Dec 20 2004, 08:27 PM)
The photo didn't work.
Try this link and you should be able to see it.
That's one scary Santa.
QUOTE(flydangler @ Dec 20 2004, 11:41 PM)
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