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Livyjr
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 24 2009, 02:44 PM) *
let the stampede begin...

There will be your luck with your gimpy legs, graham ....

Whole herds will be on the move out there, stampeding this way and that, and with your luck, you will get caught in the middle as two competing mobs try to reach the same drugstore first ....

And you would have just been going in for a ZERO CHERRY COKE or something ...

Down under the churning hooves you would go ....

Like the running of the bulls in Pamplona, graham ...

And so ...
Livyjr
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 24 2009, 02:44 PM) *
maybe I will bring some bribe money on the side...just in case...

QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 22 2009, 04:24 AM) *
ALL DUES PAYING DEMOCRATS WITH A SIGNED RECEIPT TO THE HEAD OF THE LINE ....

EVERYBODY ELSE, KEEP MOVING TO THE BACK OF THE BUS, PLEASE .....

THAT'S IT, THAT'S IT .....

KEEP ON MOVING ....

And so ...

"Production of swine flu vaccine is way behind"

By MICHAEL RUBINKAM, Associated Press Writer

Wed Oct 21, 7:14 pm ET

Make sure you get that receipt, graham ...
Livyjr
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 24 2009, 02:47 PM) *
I bet Mr. Hardy Jackson wished George W. Bush had done something in advance for him and many others during Katrina

And I wonder ....

Still I wonder ....

WHO can stop the rain ....

A: BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA ....

And so ...
Magmak1
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 24 2009, 05:43 PM) *
that is in the national emergency rulebook

try reading it

over 1000 people have now died
there are not enough repirators for more than a few in any hospital in America



the number of deaths (63,729 per year) from the normal seasonal flu, for which no national emergency is declared.


How many have died from smoking, cancer, automobile accidents? Where is the suspension of normalcy for that?
Magmak1
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 24 2009, 05:09 PM) *
same as competent presidents do before any major hurricane or snow blizzard

same as after an earthquake or tornado

what do you think our taxes pay for

I wonder mag, when you hit a website like ticketmaster or something, where you have
to enter the words you see to get to the next page, does it always come up "martial" "law"

I can imagine those ink blots they make people i.d....
you must say "martial law" in those scenes



I don't go to web sites like ticketmaster. I rarely go to events at all, and I rarely go to events for which I'd needed a ticket I couldn't buy at the gate. I don't use ink blot tests or have them administered to me. I've been given a clean bill of health by a neurologist, two psychiatrists, and a psychologist. (Thanks for the thought, though. The first one told me the brain's plasticity would help where necessary with incremental change; the second told me I was one of the sanest people they'd ever known; the third told me me approach to thinking and planning required no assistance from them and dismissed me from follow-up.) Our taxes clearly pay for war and to help line the pockets of the fat cats at Goldmen Sacks and the CIA-offshoot AIG. Competent presidents do not involve themselves BEFORE any hurricane or blizzard, though they sometimes sign the formal declarations AFTER the event to facilitate Federal cash flow. Competent presidents create response plans, processes and agencies at the local and grass-roots levels that are oriented toward human need, not agencies that are focused on continuity of government (saving the elite wealthy)or engaged in the development of jackbooted, armor-clad insurance that the Constitutionally-guaranteed rights of free speech and freedom of assembly are meaningless.

The nurse I spoke with this morning about the Presidential declaration informed me that most H1N1 diagnoses are made presumptively without testing. The nurse I ran into in the supermarket said the vaccination movement was a useless frenzy of fear. Both of them have over 30 years public experience.
Magmak1
In working to protect the business interests of vaccine manufactures, both the FDA and FTC have declared all-out war against any products that might offer consumers options other than vaccines. This week, that war against natural remedies reached the shores of Dr. Andrew Weil, who is perhaps the best-known alternative medicine doctor in America. In an intimidating, threatening letter jointly issued by the FTC and the FDA, these rogue government agencies threatened Dr. Weil with criminal prosecution for making true statements about his immune-boosting formula such as, "Astragalus ... is ... used traditionally to ward off colds and flu, and has demonstrated both antiviral and immune-boosting effects in scientific investigation."

This statement, although scientifically valid and true, is a threat to the profits of the vaccine industry, and so Dr. Weil's company is being targeted by the FTC / FDA vaccine racket tag-team for termination.

You can review the FTC threats against Dr. Weil on the FTC's own website: http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/Enforcemen...

Some of the threats leveled against Dr. Weil by the FTC include:

• Forcing Dr. Weil's company to refund ALL customers who purchased his immune support formula. (For no apparent reason other than to burden his company with such costs.)

• Subjecting Dr. Weil's company with "legal action in the form of a Federal District Court injunction or Administrative Order."

• Gunpoint seizure of ALL of Dr. Weil's nutritional products: "If your firm fails to take corrective action immediately, FDA may take enforcement action, such as seizure or injunction for violations of the FFDC Act without further notice."

• Subjecting Dr. Weil and his company to criminal prosecution: "Firms that fail to take corrective action may also be referred to FDA's Office of Criminal Investigations for possible criminal prosecution for violations of the FFDC Act and other federal laws."

• Adding Dr. Weil's company to a list of companies that have been found in "violation" of the FFDC Act.

These threats are signed by the top fearmongers running the censorship racket at both the FTC and FDA:

Mary K. Engle
Associate Director, Division of Advertising Practices
Federal Trade Commission

Roberta F. Wagner
Director, Office of Compliance
Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition
Food and Drug Administration

Do you now see what a criminal racket the vaccine industry is running in America by invoking these tactics of tyranny? This is the kind of thing you might expect to see in China, where government officials arrest Falun Gong members who attempt to meditate in public, but you wouldn't think that in the United States of America -- "Land of the Free" -- you'd be threatened with arrest and financial ruin for simply telling the truth about a powerful herb with scientifically-validated medicinal properties.

The FTC's dangerous double standard
This FTC / FDA letter claims Dr. Weil has been promoting his immune-boosting formula "...without rigorous scientific evidence sufficient to substantiate the claims."

This might be taken with some level of seriousness if, in fact, the vaccine makers had any such evidence to substantiate their own claims that flu vaccines work at all. But as NaturalNews readers have already learned, flu vaccines are a scientific hoax lacking any honest evidence that they actually work. In fact, all the evidence points to the reality that they don't work. (http://www.naturalnews.com/027239_v...)

Free registration is required to read the rest of this article...

http://www.naturalnews.com/027303_the_FTC_...a_vaccines.html
Livyjr
Well said, Magmak1 ...

Now, you will likely find the neurologist, two psychiatrists, and the psychologist who gave you a clean bill of health under investigation by the TYRANNICAL FEDERAL GOVERNMENT for quackery .....

And you will have to go in to a government doctor for re-examination ....

He will find you mentally ill, of course ....

In fact, if they do it over your way like they do up here, that government doctor has already made the diagnosis and the pick-up team is headed for your door right about now ....

And so ...
Livyjr
QUOTE(Magmak1 @ Oct 25 2009, 01:20 AM) *
In working to protect the business interests of vaccine manufactures ....

And who else's financial interests are protected when the financial interests of the vaccine manufacturers are protected?

Who owns the stock in those companies?

I wonder if Paul Pelosi does ....

And so ...
Livyjr
The person who TYRANT Obama has appointed to the U.S. Supreme Court as HIS justice has already given federal government approval to the POLICY of granting medical doctors in New York State the power to declare as dangerous and mentally ill and in immediate need of incarceration in a secure mental facility people that THEY HAVE NEVER SEEN OR EXAMINED ....

Actually having medical evidence based upon an examination is now no longer necessary in New York State despite the constitution and laws to the contrary ....

All they need to do now to incarcerate someone as mentally ill and dangerous in New York State is to make out an arrest order and it is done ....

And so ...
graham4anything
the last posts by magmak and livy do a great sleight of hand

they could take their show on the road

Livyjr
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 25 2009, 05:51 AM) *
the last posts by magmak and livy do a great sleight of hand

they could take their show on the road

No slight of hand whatsoever, graham ....

AND ....

The show ALREADY is on the road .....

WORLD-WIDE, thanks to CGCS ....

And so ...
Livyjr
Q: WHO is the most dangerous TYRANT in all the world?



Livyjr
The dude makes the inept bumbler George W. Bush look like a BUSH-LEAGUE TYRANT ....

And so ...
graham4anything
this is about getting the life saving vaccine flowing in ones veins

to bring a president into the mix has nothing to do with the subject at hand

gimme that vaccine, I want it now, I crave it, I got to have it

and what happens when everyone gets the vaccine and then no one dies?

I guess next week we will have a new issue that the chicken littles will scream "the sky is falling, martial law'

Livyjr
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 25 2009, 06:22 AM) *
and what happens when everyone gets the vaccine and then no one dies?

People ARE NOT getting the vaccine, graham, because they only have enough for some Democrats, right now, and people ARE already dying ....

And the flu is spreading big time right now, graham ....

After the flu is passed, then they expect to have a lot of vaccine available ....

Of course, by then, who is going to want or need it?

Those who didn't die but had the flu won't need or want the vaccine by then ....

And those who are dead won't need it either ....

So there is reality staring you in the face, graham ....

And so ....
Livyjr
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 25 2009, 06:22 AM) *
gimme that vaccine, I want it now, I crave it, I got to have it

Sorry to hear that, graham ...

It sounds like you are going into some kind of DT's there, or something akin to that ....

It sounds like an addiction talking there, not our dear gentle and peaceful graham ....

Are you going to go out and kill somebody, graham, to get their place on line?

Will you join a stampede to get some?

As for me, I am very happy to live without the stuff, graham ....

Who the hell knows what is in the $*** they want to inject you with, graham ....

And look at what it has already done to you ....

It has turned you into an addict .....

You gots to have that next fix or you'll go crazy .....

And that is called a SERIOUS JONES, graham ....

And so ...
Livyjr
QUOTE(Magmak1 @ Oct 25 2009, 01:20 AM) *
These threats are signed by the top fearmongers running the censorship racket at both the FTC and FDA:

Mary K. Engle
Associate Director, Division of Advertising Practices
Federal Trade Commission

Roberta F. Wagner
Director, Office of Compliance
Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition
Food and Drug Administration

Do you now see what a criminal racket the vaccine industry is running in America by invoking these tactics of tyranny?

This is the kind of thing you might expect to see in China, where government officials arrest Falun Gong members who attempt to meditate in public, but you wouldn't think that in the United States of America -- "Land of the Free" -- you'd be threatened with arrest and financial ruin for simply telling the truth about a powerful herb with scientifically-validated medicinal properties.

I'm thinking that when they come to get Dr. Weil at gunpoint to take him away for not shilling for these drug companies and their flu vaccine, that they might as well come and get me, too, and take me away for incarceration as a heretic, because I believe that if I don't live stupid by getting a shot of antibiotics every time I get a hangnail or a tiny sliver in my finger, and I eat right, and I do t'ai chi and chi gong to keep my immune system strong, I won't get the flu ....

And how UN-AMERICAN is that, I'm saying ....

Why, t'ai chi and chi gong are not even American words ....

So what good can those things do against something so powerful as the flu, which can only be treated, as everyone knows, by a special serum that is in the possession of some drug companies ....

And so ...
Livyjr
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 25 2009, 06:22 AM) *
this is about getting the life saving vaccine flowing in ones veins

I DO NOT want that $*** flowing in my veins, graham ....

I already have a life-sustaining substance flowing in there ....

It is called blood ....

And so ...

graham4anything
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 25 2009, 02:41 PM) *
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 25 2009, 06:22 AM) *
gimme that vaccine, I want it now, I crave it, I got to have it

Sorry to hear that, graham ...

It sounds like you are going into some kind of DT's there, or something akin to that ....

It sounds like an addiction talking there, not our dear gentle and peaceful graham ....

Are you going to go out and kill somebody, graham, to get their place on line?

Will you join a stampede to get some?

As for me, I am very happy to live without the stuff, graham ....

Who the hell knows what is in the $*** they want to inject you with, graham ....

And look at what it has already done to you ....

It has turned you into an addict .....

You gots to have that next fix or you'll go crazy .....

And that is called a SERIOUS JONES, graham ....

And so ...



that's a cool name

Serious Jones Graham
Magmak1
David Kirby
Journalist
Posted: February 25, 2008 12:42 PM

Government Concedes Vaccine-Autism Case in Federal Court - Now What?


After years of insisting there is no evidence to link vaccines with the onset of autism spectrum disorder (ASD), the US government has quietly conceded a vaccine-autism case in the Court of Federal Claims.

The unprecedented concession was filed on November 9, and sealed to protect the plaintiff's identify. It was obtained through individuals unrelated to the case.

The claim, one of 4,900 autism cases currently pending in Federal "Vaccine Court," was conceded by US Assistant Attorney General Peter Keisler and other Justice Department officials, on behalf of the Department of Health and Human Services, the "defendant" in all Vaccine Court cases.

The child's claim against the government -- that mercury-containing vaccines were the cause of her autism -- was supposed to be one of three "test cases" for the thimerosal-autism theory currently under consideration by a three-member panel of Special Masters, the presiding justices in Federal Claims Court.

Keisler wrote that medical personnel at the HHS Division of Vaccine Injury Compensation (DVIC) had reviewed the case and "concluded that compensation is appropriate."

The doctors conceded that the child was healthy and developing normally until her 18-month well-baby visit, when she received vaccinations against nine different diseases all at once (two contained thimerosal).

Days later, the girl began spiraling downward into a cascade of illnesses and setbacks that, within months, presented as symptoms of autism, including: No response to verbal direction; loss of language skills; no eye contact; loss of "relatedness;" insomnia; incessant screaming; arching; and "watching the florescent lights repeatedly during examination."

Seven months after vaccination, the patient was diagnosed by Dr. Andrew Zimmerman, a leading neurologist at the Kennedy Krieger Children's Hospital Neurology Clinic, with "regressive encephalopathy (brain disease) with features consistent with autistic spectrum disorder, following normal development." The girl also met the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders (DSM-IV) official criteria for autism.

In its written concession, the government said the child had a pre-existing mitochondrial disorder that was "aggravated" by her shots, and which ultimately resulted in an ASD diagnosis.

"The vaccinations received on July 19, 2000, significantly aggravated an underlying mitochondrial disorder," the concession says, "which predisposed her to deficits in cellular energy metabolism, and manifested as a regressive encephalopathy with features of ASD."

This statement is good news for the girl and her family, who will now be compensated for the lifetime of care she will require. But its implications for the larger vaccine-autism debate, and for public health policy in general, are not as certain.

In fact, the government's concession seems to raise more questions than it answers.

1) Is there a connection between vaccines, mitochondrial disorders and a diagnosis of autism, at least in some cases?

Mitochondria, you may recall from biology class, are the little powerhouses within cells that convert food into electrical energy, partly through a complex process called "oxidative phosphorylation." If this process is impaired, mitochondrial disorder will ensue.

The child in this case had several markers for Mt disease, which was confirmed by muscle biopsy. Mt disease is often marked by lethargy, poor muscle tone, poor food digestion and bowel problems, something found in many children diagnosed with autism.

But mitochondrial disorders are rare in the general population, affecting some 2-per-10,000 people (or just 0.2%). So with 4,900 cases filed in Vaccine Court, this case should be the one and only, extremely rare instance of Mt disease in all the autism proceedings.

But it is not.

Mitochondrial disorders are now thought to be the most common disease associated with ASD. Some journal articles and other analyses have estimated that 10% to 20% of all autism cases may involve mitochondrial disorders, which would make them one thousand times more common among people with ASD than the general population.

Another article, published in the Journal of Child Neurology and co-authored by Dr. Zimmerman, showed that 38% of Kennedy Krieger Institute autism patients studied had one marker for impaired oxidative phosphorylation, and 47% had a second marker.

The authors -- who reported on a case-study of the same autism claim conceded in Vaccine Court -- noted that "children who have (mitochondrial-related) dysfunctional cellular energy metabolism might be more prone to undergo autistic regression between 18 and 30 months of age if they also have infections or immunizations at the same time."

An interesting aspect of Mt disease in autism is that, with ASD, the mitochondrial disease seems to be milder than in "classic" cases of Mt disorder. In fact, classic Mt disease is almost always inherited, either passed down by the mother through mitochondrial DNA, or by both parents through nuclear DNA.

In autism-related Mt disease, however, the disorder is not typically found in other family members, and instead appears to be largely of the sporadic variety, which may now account for 75% of all mitochondrial disorders.

Meanwhile, an informal survey of seven families of children with cases currently pending in Vaccine Court revealed that all seven showed markers for mitochondrial dysfunction, dating back to their earliest medical tests. The facts in all seven claims mirror the case just conceded by the government: Normal development followed by vaccination, immediate illness, and rapid decline culminating in an autism diagnosis.

2) With 4,900 cases pending, and more coming, will the government concede those with underlying Mt disease -- and if it not, will the Court award compensation?

The Court will soon begin processing the 4900 cases pending before it. What if 10% to 20% of them can demonstrate the same Mt disease and same set of facts as those in the conceded case? Would the government be obliged to concede 500, or even 1,000 cases? What impact would that have on public opinion? And is there enough money currently in the vaccine injury fund to cover so many settlements?

When asked for a comment last week about the court settlement, a spokesman for HHS furnished the following written statement:


"DVIC has reviewed the scientific information concerning the allegation that vaccines cause autism and has found no credible evidence to support the claim. Accordingly, in every case under the Vaccine Act, DVIC has maintained the position that vaccines do not cause autism, and has never concluded in any case that autism was caused by vaccination."

3) If the government is claiming that vaccines did not "cause" autism, but instead aggravated a condition to "manifest" as autism, isn't that a very fine distinction?

For most affected families, such linguistic gymnastics is not so important. And even if a vaccine injury "manifested" as autism in only one case, isn't that still a significant development worthy of informing the public?

On the other hand, perhaps what the government is claiming is that vaccination resulted in the symptoms of autism, but not in an actual, factually correct diagnosis of autism itself.

4) If the government is claiming that this child does NOT have autism, then how many other children might also have something else that merely "mimics" autism?

Is it possible that 10%-20% of the cases that we now label as "autism," are not autism at all, but rather some previously undefined "look-alike" syndrome that merely presents as "features" of autism?

This question gets to the heart of what autism actually is. The disorder is defined solely as a collection of features, nothing more. If you have the features (and the diagnosis), you have the disorder. The underlying biology is the great unknown.

But let's say the government does determine that these kids don't have actual "autism" (something I speculated on HuffPost a year ago). Then shouldn't the Feds go back and test all people with ASD for impaired oxidative phosphorylation, perhaps reclassifying many of them?

If so, will we then see "autism" cases drop by tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people? Will there be a corresponding ascension of a newly described disorder, perhaps something like "Vaccine Aggravated Mitochondrial Disease with Features of ASD?"

And if this child was technically "misdiagnosed" with DSM-IV autism by Dr Zimmerman, how does he feel about HHS doctors issuing a second opinion re-diagnosis of his patient, whom they presumably had neither met nor examined? (Zimmerman declined an interview).

And along those lines, aren't Bush administration officials somewhat wary of making long-distance, retroactive diagnoses from Washington, given that the Terry Schiavo incident has not yet faded from national memory?

5) Was this child's Mt disease caused by a genetic mutation, as the government implies, and wouldn't that have manifested as "ASD features" anyway?

In the concession, the government notes that the patient had a "single nucleotide change" in the mitochondrial DNA gene T2387C, implying that this was the underlying cause of her manifested "features" of autism.

While it's true that some inherited forms of Mt disease can manifest as developmental delays, (and even ASD in the form of Rhett Syndrome) these forms are linked to identified genetic mutations, of which T2387C is not involved. In fact little, if anything, is known about the function of this particular gene.

What's more, there is no evidence that this girl, prior to vaccination, suffered from any kind of "disorder" at all- genetic, mitochondrial or otherwise. Some forms of Mt disease are so mild that the person is unaware of being affected. This perfectly developing girl may have had Mt disorder at the time of vaccination, but nobody detected, or even suspected it.

And, there is no evidence to suggest that this girl would have regressed into symptoms consistent with a DSM-IV autism diagnosis without her vaccinations. If there was such evidence, then why on earth would these extremely well-funded government attorneys compensate this alleged injury in Vaccine Court? Why wouldn't they move to dismiss, or at least fight the case at trial?

6) What are the implications for research?

The concession raises at least two critical research questions: What are the causes of Mt dysfunction; and how could vaccines aggravate that dysfunction to the point of "autistic features?"

While some Mt disorders are clearly inherited, the "sporadic" form is thought to account for 75% of all cases, according to the United Mitochondrial Disease Foundation. So what causes sporadic Mt disease? "Medicines or other toxins," says the Cleveland Clinic, a leading authority on the subject.

Use of the AIDS drug AZT, for example, can cause Mt disorders by deleting large segments of mitochondrial DNA. If that is the case, might other exposures to drugs or toxins (i.e., thimerosal, mercury in fish, air pollution, pesticides, live viruses) also cause sporadic Mt disease in certain subsets of children, through similar genotoxic mechanisms?

Among the prime cellular targets of mercury are mitochondria, and thimerosal-induced cell death has been associated with the depolarization of mitochondrial membrane, according to the International Journal of Molecular Medicine among several others. (Coincidently, the first case of Mt disease was diagnosed in 1959, just 15 years after the first autism case was named, and two decades after thimerosal's introduction as a vaccine preservative.)

Regardless of its cause, shouldn't HHS sponsor research into Mt disease and the biological mechanisms by which vaccines could aggravate the disorder? We still do not know what it was, exactly, about this girl's vaccines that aggravated her condition. Was it the thimerosal? The three live viruses? The two attenuated viruses? Other ingredients like aluminum? A combination of the above?

And of course, if vaccine injuries can aggravate Mt disease to the point of manifesting as autism features, then what other underlying disorders or conditions (genetic, autoimmune, allergic, etc.) might also be aggravated to the same extent?

7) What are the implications for medicine and public health?

Should the government develop and approve new treatments for "aggravated mitochondrial disease with ASD features?" Interestingly, many of the treatments currently deployed in Mt disease (i.e., coenzyme Q10, vitamin B-12, lipoic acid, biotin, dietary changes, etc.) are part of the alternative treatment regimen that many parents use on their children with ASD.

And, if a significant minority of autism cases can be linked to Mt disease and vaccines, shouldn't these products one day carry an FDA Black Box warning label, and shouldn't children with Mt disorders be exempt from mandatory immunization?

8) What are the implications for the vaccine-autism debate?

It's too early to tell. But this concession could conceivably make it more difficult for some officials to continue insisting there is "absolutely no link" between vaccines and autism.

It also puts the Federal Government's Vaccine Court defense strategy somewhat into jeopardy. DOJ lawyers and witnesses have argued that autism is genetic, with no evidence to support an environmental component. And, they insist, it's simply impossible to construct a chain of events linking immunizations to the disorder.

Government officials may need to rethink their legal strategy, as well as their public relations campaigns, given their own slightly contradictory concession in this case.

9) What is the bottom line here?

The public, (including world leaders) will demand to know what is going on inside the US Federal health establishment. Yes, as of now, n=1, a solitary vaccine-autism concession. But what if n=10% or 20%? Who will pay to clean up that mess?

The significance of this concession will unfortunately be fought over in the usual, vitriolic way -- and I fully expect to be slammed for even raising these questions. Despite that, the language of this concession cannot be changed, or swept away.

Its key words are "aggravated" and "manifested." Without the aggravation of the vaccines, it is uncertain that the manifestation would have occurred at all.

When a kid with peanut allergy eats a peanut and dies, we don't say "his underlying metabolic condition was significantly aggravated to the extent of manifesting as an anaphylactic shock with features of death."

No, we say the peanut killed the poor boy. Remove the peanut from the equation, and he would still be with us today.

Many people look forward to hearing more from HHS officials about why they are settling this claim. But whatever their explanation, they cannot change the fundamental facts of this extraordinary case:

The United State government is compensating at least one child for vaccine injuries that resulted in a diagnosis of autism.

And that is big news, no matter how you want to say it.

NOTE: Full text of the government's statement is posted here.

David Kirby is the author of "Evidence of Harm - Mercury in Vaccines and the Autism Epidemic, A Medical Controversy" (St. Martins Press 2005.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/...ci_b_88323.html
graham4anything
and what if nobody got the Polio shot?

How many hundreds of millions of people would have been dead or disabled because of that?

or what if nobody used penicillin? How many billions of people would have died as kids?
Magmak1
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 24 2009, 05:09 PM) *
same as competent presidents do before any major hurricane or snow blizzard

same as after an earthquake or tornado

what do you think our taxes pay for

I wonder mag, when you hit a website like ticketmaster or something, where you have
to enter the words you see to get to the next page, does it always come up "martial" "law"

I can imagine those ink blots they make people i.d....
you must say "martial law" in those scenes






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For the record, I became a member 10/26/09.

Magmak1

CDC GUESSTIMATED H1N1 CASES and REFUSED CBS FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT REQUEST
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcHdmnTbH9Q...player_embedded (9:53)
Magmak1
Swine Flu: Is Meditation the Best Medication?

by Richard Cook

The mainstream media are now reporting the onset of a swine flu “emergency.” Yet controversy is raging over the safety and efficacy of the government-approved vaccine.

The strain known as H1N1 supposedly hits children and young people the hardest. The elderly are said to be similarly at risk. Deaths are being reported, as are shortages of vaccine at some locations.

Government officials are making the TV rounds, including Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius, who says the vaccine is “safe and secure” and “right on target with an immune response.”

Yet Americans are deeply skeptical. According to a poll by AOL news, 61 percent say they do not plan to get the vaccine. Only 21 percent are “very worried” about the flu outbreak.

In fact the alliance between the federal government and the big pharmaceutical companies to push the H1N1 vaccine has ignited a populist revolt. The debate that is raging on Capitol Hill over national health care insurance had already exposed the health care industry as being far more concerned with profits than they are with people. H1N1 came along just in time to carry the revolt a step further.

An example of how the pharmaceutical industry is obsessed with the bottom line is shown by the difference in prices between proprietary medicines and their generic equivalents. A report by Life Extension magazine found that such well-known drugs as Celebrex, Lipitor, and Prozac had enormous mark-ups, topped by Xanaz, marked-up from 2.4 cents to $136.79 per 100 tablets!

No wonder many people are turning to alternative remedies, including improved nutrition or use of supplements such as vitamin C. To combat this, the government has gone on the attack, with the Food and Drug Administration and the Federal Trade Commission sending warning letters to over 140 product vendors. On the list is famed alternative healer Dr. Andrew Weil for statements on his website about his Immune Support Formula containing astragalus, an herbal mainstay of traditional Chinese medicine that is said to increase the body’s immune response.

Another natural preventive for flu and many other illnesses is simply to drink plenty of clean, filtered water, preferably fresh spring or well water, or water that has been ionized through an alkanization process. Recently the Natural News website published an interview done several years ago with a Dr. Batmanghelidj, who published extensive research that demonstrates how many illnesses for which doctors prescribe expensive and dangerous drugs are really caused by dehydration, including many diseases affecting the elderly. Click Here

One result of dehydration, for instance, is deterioration of the walls of blood vessels. In order to repair the damage, the body produces more cholesterol, which Dr. Barmanghelidj calls “a waterproof bandage” for the cardio-vascular system. Then, when this extra cholesterol shows up in blood tests, doctors prescribe powerful drugs like Lipitor which can have devastating side-effects. It would most likely be better simply to tell people to drink more water.

Finally, the enormous pressure being brought to bear on the population to take the H1N1 vaccine has added to a huge and growing controversy over whether vaccines are safe at all. An increasing number of commentators are linking the growing use of vaccines to what some call an epidemic of childhood autism and other neurological disorders. Recall that the swine flu scare of 1976 led to discontinuation of the vaccine back then when it caused a number of deaths and a surge in paralysis from Guillan-Barre syndrome.

See for instance, the work of Dr. Andrew Moulden of Canada, whose work has linked vaccines to a “sludging” effect in the tiniest blood vessels in the brain which may be related to onset of such diseases as dementia, multiple sclerosis, autism, and even schizophrenia, along with many childhood learning disabilities. Dr. Moulen has even suggested a possible link between the frequent administration of flu vaccines to the elderly and the onset of alzheimer’s. Click Here

But there is an even deeper problem with modern medicine, which is that it is almost completely materialistic in its assumptions and approach.

Modern medicine views disease as a mechanistic process, caused either by “germs,” chemical imbalances, or genetics. This leads to the assumption that for every illness, there is a physical cure, either by killing the offending micro-organism, restoring chemical balance through a pill, or cutting out the failed or offending body part by surgery.

The materialistic outlook has even taken over the practice of psychiatric medicine. If a person is depressed, disturbed, anxious, or unhappy, don’t look at the possible causes in that person’s outlook, environment, diet, habits, addictions, or value system. Just give them an anti-depressent or even an anti-psychotic. Never mind that these drugs may just suppress symptoms or even reduce the person to almost a vegetative state. On the surface, at least, they seem to be “getting better” or at least causing less trouble!

But in some circles, an entirely different world-view is emerging. We know, for instance, about the holistic approach to medicine that sees a person as not just a bundle of chemical reflexes but a complete human being with a mind, heart, body, and spirit, all of which need to work more or less in harmony for optimum health to result.

But how often is this knowledge really practiced by people day-in and day-out?

A whole new industry of holistic health practitioners has come into existence, including those who practice acupuntrure, acupressure, reiki, hypnosis, massage, and body-work, including yoga, tai-chi, qi-gong, etc.There is also a growing awareness that a regular practice of prayer and spiritual devotion also benefits the whole person, including the physical body.

The deepest of these holistic practices may in fact be meditation. Meditative or contemplative prayer is a central component of religious practice within both the Catholic and Orthodox faiths, and meditation is the central discipline of all lines of Buddhism. Yoga also includes meditation, and in some types of yogic practice is the core discipline.

Are people who meditate more healthy? I am not aware of any scientific studies, but based on my own experience with many different types of meditation which includes association with various groups, schools, and teachers of meditation, I would have to say they appear to be. Or at least they worry less about their physical health, take illness more in stride, and are able to recover faster when it occurs.

One thing is sure: long-term practice of meditation on a daily basis seems to raise the energy level of the body. This makes a difference because the body is like an energy-filled vessel. If this energy leaks through negative emotions, unnecessary physical tension, and the constant churning of the mind, the body will suffer a general state of depletion, which is bound to make it more susceptible to disease. It also makes a difference if one avoids much of the jarring imagery churned out by the mass media through violent and disturbing films, TV programming, video games, etc.

These health-related factors which have been understood by traditional societies for millennia are also starting to be realized by millions of ordinary people in every walk of life. Combined with a nutritious diet, physical exercise, positive relationships, and productive work, a rich inner life of prayer and meditation produces a multitude of benefits, not the least of which seems to be improved physical health and greater resistance to infections such as swine flu.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?con...a&aid=15810


the accompanying video is at the link at the top ...

Livyjr
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 25 2009, 10:23 PM) *
and what if nobody got the Polio shot?

How many hundreds of millions of people would have been dead or disabled because of that?

or what if nobody used penicillin?

How many billions of people would have died as kids?

I was born before there was a polio vaccine, graham ...

A friend of mine had polio when young ....

FDR also had polio if I recall ...

And I am allergic to penicillin ....

AND WHAT IF NOBODY DIED AT ALL, graham?

What then?

And so ...
Livyjr
QUOTE(Magmak1 @ Oct 25 2009, 11:54 PM) *
A whole new industry of holistic health practitioners has come into existence, including those who practice acupuntrure, acupressure, reiki, hypnosis, massage, and body-work, including yoga, tai-chi, qi-gong, etc.

There is also a growing awareness that a regular practice of prayer and spiritual devotion also benefits the whole person, including the physical body.

AH!

Sounds like some kind of a COMMIE conspiracy to subvert the youth of America to me, Magmak1 ....

Why, those aren't even American-sounding words ....

And so ...
Livyjr
Where are the COMMIES these days, anyway?

Are they gone?

Or just passe?

Or what?

And so ...
Livyjr
"Many people believe that Qigong (chi gong) is a product only of China, India, or other Oriental countries."

"As a matter of fact, internal energy cultivation has also been common in the Western world, usually within the context of religion."

"Many people have been able to find their internal foundation and strength through meditation or praying in their church, temple, or mosque."

"Through their devotions and the practice of prayer, they are able to build up their concentration, confidence, and will, all of which are prerequisites to internal strength."

"The practice of such disciplines allows the energy in the body to become balanced, bringing health and strength to some, and even, in some cases, seemingly supernatural powers."

"Jesus is credited with many miracles, but he told his disciples 'He that believeth on me, the works that I do, shall he do also, and greater works than these shall he do' (John, 14:12)!"

"All of the major Western religions have had branches or sects which used practices similar to the Oriental Qigong disciplines."

- Dr. Yang, Jwing-Ming, The Root of Chinese Qigong, p.5
graham4anything
QUOTE(Magmak1 @ Oct 26 2009, 12:56 AM) *
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 24 2009, 05:09 PM) *
same as competent presidents do before any major hurricane or snow blizzard

same as after an earthquake or tornado

what do you think our taxes pay for

I wonder mag, when you hit a website like ticketmaster or something, where you have
to enter the words you see to get to the next page, does it always come up "martial" "law"

I can imagine those ink blots they make people i.d....
you must say "martial law" in those scenes






http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

http://www.lvrj.com/news/oath-keepers-spea...e-65931467.html

1. We will NOT obey any order to disarm the American people.
2. We will NOT obey any order to conduct warrantless searches of the American people, their homes, vehicles, papers, or effects -- such as warrantless house-to house searches for weapons or persons.
3. We will NOT obey any order to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to trial by military tribunal.
4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state, or to enter with force into a state, without the express consent and invitation of that state’s legislature and governor.
5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty and declares the national government to be in violation of the compact by which that state entered the Union.
6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.
7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.
8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control” during any emergency, or under any other pretext. We will consider such use of foreign troops against our people to be an invasion and an act of war.
9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies, under any emergency pretext whatsoever.
10. We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

For the record, I became a member 10/26/09.



there is a thread about these KKK'ers
sorry you think they are Americans
they are racists

all their guns should be taken away

Yesterday they said an airlines worker could have carried out his threat in NYC
I do hope he is locked away for life
Man has guns, and they found he also had a stolen gun
guns kill
racists kill
republicans kill
graham4anything
QUOTE(Magmak1 @ Oct 26 2009, 01:54 AM) *
Swine Flu: Is Meditation the Best Medication?

by Richard Cook

The mainstream media are now reporting the onset of a swine flu “emergency.” Yet controversy is raging over the safety and efficacy of the government-approved vaccine.

The strain known as H1N1 supposedly hits children and young people the hardest. The elderly are said to be similarly at risk. Deaths are being reported, as are shortages of vaccine at some locations.

Government officials are making the TV rounds, including Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius, who says the vaccine is “safe and secure” and “right on target with an immune response.”

Yet Americans are deeply skeptical. According to a poll by AOL news, 61 percent say they do not plan to get the vaccine. Only 21 percent are “very worried” about the flu outbreak.

In fact the alliance between the federal government and the big pharmaceutical companies to push the H1N1 vaccine has ignited a populist revolt. The debate that is raging on Capitol Hill over national health care insurance had already exposed the health care industry as being far more concerned with profits than they are with people. H1N1 came along just in time to carry the revolt a step further.

An example of how the pharmaceutical industry is obsessed with the bottom line is shown by the difference in prices between proprietary medicines and their generic equivalents. A report by Life Extension magazine found that such well-known drugs as Celebrex, Lipitor, and Prozac had enormous mark-ups, topped by Xanaz, marked-up from 2.4 cents to $136.79 per 100 tablets!

No wonder many people are turning to alternative remedies, including improved nutrition or use of supplements such as vitamin C. To combat this, the government has gone on the attack, with the Food and Drug Administration and the Federal Trade Commission sending warning letters to over 140 product vendors. On the list is famed alternative healer Dr. Andrew Weil for statements on his website about his Immune Support Formula containing astragalus, an herbal mainstay of traditional Chinese medicine that is said to increase the body’s immune response.

Another natural preventive for flu and many other illnesses is simply to drink plenty of clean, filtered water, preferably fresh spring or well water, or water that has been ionized through an alkanization process. Recently the Natural News website published an interview done several years ago with a Dr. Batmanghelidj, who published extensive research that demonstrates how many illnesses for which doctors prescribe expensive and dangerous drugs are really caused by dehydration, including many diseases affecting the elderly. Click Here

One result of dehydration, for instance, is deterioration of the walls of blood vessels. In order to repair the damage, the body produces more cholesterol, which Dr. Barmanghelidj calls “a waterproof bandage” for the cardio-vascular system. Then, when this extra cholesterol shows up in blood tests, doctors prescribe powerful drugs like Lipitor which can have devastating side-effects. It would most likely be better simply to tell people to drink more water.

Finally, the enormous pressure being brought to bear on the population to take the H1N1 vaccine has added to a huge and growing controversy over whether vaccines are safe at all. An increasing number of commentators are linking the growing use of vaccines to what some call an epidemic of childhood autism and other neurological disorders. Recall that the swine flu scare of 1976 led to discontinuation of the vaccine back then when it caused a number of deaths and a surge in paralysis from Guillan-Barre syndrome.

See for instance, the work of Dr. Andrew Moulden of Canada, whose work has linked vaccines to a “sludging” effect in the tiniest blood vessels in the brain which may be related to onset of such diseases as dementia, multiple sclerosis, autism, and even schizophrenia, along with many childhood learning disabilities. Dr. Moulen has even suggested a possible link between the frequent administration of flu vaccines to the elderly and the onset of alzheimer’s. Click Here

But there is an even deeper problem with modern medicine, which is that it is almost completely materialistic in its assumptions and approach.

Modern medicine views disease as a mechanistic process, caused either by “germs,” chemical imbalances, or genetics. This leads to the assumption that for every illness, there is a physical cure, either by killing the offending micro-organism, restoring chemical balance through a pill, or cutting out the failed or offending body part by surgery.

The materialistic outlook has even taken over the practice of psychiatric medicine. If a person is depressed, disturbed, anxious, or unhappy, don’t look at the possible causes in that person’s outlook, environment, diet, habits, addictions, or value system. Just give them an anti-depressent or even an anti-psychotic. Never mind that these drugs may just suppress symptoms or even reduce the person to almost a vegetative state. On the surface, at least, they seem to be “getting better” or at least causing less trouble!

But in some circles, an entirely different world-view is emerging. We know, for instance, about the holistic approach to medicine that sees a person as not just a bundle of chemical reflexes but a complete human being with a mind, heart, body, and spirit, all of which need to work more or less in harmony for optimum health to result.

But how often is this knowledge really practiced by people day-in and day-out?

A whole new industry of holistic health practitioners has come into existence, including those who practice acupuntrure, acupressure, reiki, hypnosis, massage, and body-work, including yoga, tai-chi, qi-gong, etc.There is also a growing awareness that a regular practice of prayer and spiritual devotion also benefits the whole person, including the physical body.

The deepest of these holistic practices may in fact be meditation. Meditative or contemplative prayer is a central component of religious practice within both the Catholic and Orthodox faiths, and meditation is the central discipline of all lines of Buddhism. Yoga also includes meditation, and in some types of yogic practice is the core discipline.

Are people who meditate more healthy? I am not aware of any scientific studies, but based on my own experience with many different types of meditation which includes association with various groups, schools, and teachers of meditation, I would have to say they appear to be. Or at least they worry less about their physical health, take illness more in stride, and are able to recover faster when it occurs.

One thing is sure: long-term practice of meditation on a daily basis seems to raise the energy level of the body. This makes a difference because the body is like an energy-filled vessel. If this energy leaks through negative emotions, unnecessary physical tension, and the constant churning of the mind, the body will suffer a general state of depletion, which is bound to make it more susceptible to disease. It also makes a difference if one avoids much of the jarring imagery churned out by the mass media through violent and disturbing films, TV programming, video games, etc.

These health-related factors which have been understood by traditional societies for millennia are also starting to be realized by millions of ordinary people in every walk of life. Combined with a nutritious diet, physical exercise, positive relationships, and productive work, a rich inner life of prayer and meditation produces a multitude of benefits, not the least of which seems to be improved physical health and greater resistance to infections such as swine flu.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?con...a&aid=15810


the accompanying video is at the link at the top ...



voodoo
that is what it is
quackery like that wakefield fraud who has been debunked 100 times over.
Livyjr
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 26 2009, 04:46 AM) *
republicans kill

So does Hussain Obama and in the most cowardly of ways, as well ...

And so ...
graham4anything
the treasonous military and their guns kill
General Be-tray-us and the other who Daniel Ellsberg say wants to commit a coup'd'etat
America was almost ruined once by a general, Eisenhower, the bald fraud
Livyjr
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 26 2009, 04:47 AM) *
voodoo

that is what it is

quackery like that wakefield fraud who has been debunked 100 times over.

Also PSYCHOLOGICAL MUMBO-JUMBO, graham ....

Don't forget that that ....

That is what a doctor called it when I was able to heal my damaged spine using chi gong and mind control ....

FLIPPED the dude right out, it did ....

"THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE!" he screeched at me when he saw me walking .....

SCREECH! SCREECH! SCREECH! as he ran off down the hall ....

THE ONLY CURES THERE ARE FOR ANYTHING THAT AILS YOU IN AMERICA EITHER COME IN A PILL BOTTLE FROM BIG PHARM OR A SURGEON'S DIRTY KNIFE ....

And so ...
graham4anything
if your mind thinks it, then what is good for one is good for all

IF people think the vaccine is good and get it, then it is good becasue they think it is

You can't have it both ways livyjr

what's good for the goose is good for the gander
Livyjr
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 26 2009, 05:18 AM) *
You can't have it both ways livyjr

Of course not, graham ....

That is why I am having it MY way, working consciously each day to keep my own personal immune system strong .....

While you, in your turn, are willing to put your faith and trust in some $*** from BIG PHARM in a needle that right now, you can't even get access to, because there isn't enough yet to give to you ....

And so ...
Magmak1
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 26 2009, 08:47 AM) *
voodoo
that is what it is
quackery



I've already bought and begun to read the books on qi gong. They'll go on the shelf next to the others about taoism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity, and the works of Larry Dossey, M.D., Wayne Dyer, Joan Borysenko, Candace Pert, and others. I'll be enrolling in classes in tai chi and qi gong taught by Dr. Yang's students in January. What is interesting about livyjr's suggestions that these same skills are available in other world-wide spiritual disciplines is that they are described as the hidden secrets inside the teachings of a wandering Jewish teacher to his leading students at the last meal they shared together on the night before the Romans and their scribes came to put him to death.

Voodoo and quackery they called it then too... blasphemy.

Nowadays, there are centers which teach this stuff in almost any reasonably-sized community.

It is available to all who have an open mind and an open heart, and easily understood by those who understand that they are the same thing.
Magmak1
In pandemic, Internet providers might need govt authorization to block popular websites --

'The DHS is responsible for ensuring that critical telecommunications infrastructure is protected.'

26 Oct 2009

Securities exchanges have a sound network back-up if a severe pandemic keeps people home and clogging the Internet [!?!] but the Homeland Security Department has done little planning, Congressional investigators said on Monday... Blocking Websites: Private Internet providers might need government authorization to block popular websites, it [GAO report] said, or to reduce residential transmission speeds to make way for commerce. The Financial Services Sector Coordinating Council for Critical Infrastructure Protection and Homeland Security, a group of private-sector firms and financial trade associations, has been working to ensure that trading could continue if big exchanges had to close because of the risk of disease transmission.

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN26207501
Magmak1
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 26 2009, 08:46 AM) *
QUOTE(Magmak1 @ Oct 26 2009, 12:56 AM) *




http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

http://www.lvrj.com/news/oath-keepers-spea...e-65931467.html

1. We will NOT obey any order to disarm the American people.
2. We will NOT obey any order to conduct warrantless searches of the American people, their homes, vehicles, papers, or effects -- such as warrantless house-to house searches for weapons or persons.
3. We will NOT obey any order to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to trial by military tribunal.
4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state, or to enter with force into a state, without the express consent and invitation of that state’s legislature and governor.
5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty and declares the national government to be in violation of the compact by which that state entered the Union.
6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.
7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.
8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control” during any emergency, or under any other pretext. We will consider such use of foreign troops against our people to be an invasion and an act of war.
9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies, under any emergency pretext whatsoever.
10. We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.


sorry you think they are Americans
they are racists
all their guns should be taken away



I am sorry your ____________________ gets in the way of your looking at this and who these people are.

For openers, what on earth is wrong with refusing an order that is unlawful or unconstitutional?

Second, a simple quick scan of the web site and the list of Board members and actual members (and growing rapidly, I might note) will show that many of the people involved in the leadership of the organization are military veterans of rank and honor, or law enforcement officers. Is it interesting how you rant that we must honor, revere and obey the President, but the police chiefs and troopers and Lieutenant Commanders of the United States Navy are to be considered reprehensible.

Thirdly, the oath they have taken is right there for anyone to read; which part of that do you have a problem with?

Fourth, the forum process clearly states that the organization is a single-focus organization and anything not pertinent to the mission will be deleted.

So, again, what is your specific problem? Liberals kill. Democrats have voted to continue the war. Obama has specifically allowed extrajudicial assassination in sovereign nations against which we have not formally declared war.

And you're ranting about upholding the Constitution.

Duly noted.
graham4anything
the ones that shot black people in the head during Katrina and then made up lies to say it was those people fault,
even though proof after proof showed it was cold blooded executions for sport

vigillante groups leads to the deaths of people...and guess which people.
Snuffysmith
http://www.prisonplanet.com/swine-flu-atta...-beta-test.html

Alex Jones' Prison Planet.com > Swine Flu Attack Likely A Beta Test
graham4anything
those saying dire things like martial law martial law martial law, when it don't become that, lose credibility announcing the next one

Magmak1
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 27 2009, 06:41 AM) *
the ones that shot black people in the head during Katrina and then made up lies to say it was those people fault,
even though proof after proof showed it was cold blooded executions for sport

vigillante groups leads to the deaths of people...and guess which people.



Once again, you are talking out of your _____. Go read the web site and some of the comments of the leaders and members. These are real people, not media types, who are or have been GI's. These are police officers who detest what happened in Katrina. These are state troopers, local cops, small town chiefs, presidents of national and international associations in their field. These are people who understand what they have or will be asked to, and they have said "not on my watch". They are also the ones who see that the machinery, signing statements, declarations, and situation is present and forthcoming. These are people (law officers) who question what went on in Pittsburgh at the G-20 meetings.

Again, what part of that oath and the idea of following Constitutional law don't you support?
graham4anything
I had to laugh

this week in the voice of the people column in the onion

American voices
PARENTS AGAINST THE SWINE FLU VACCINE is the topic
it says
An Associate Press poll shows that 38 percent of all parents do not want their children vaccinated against the N1H1 virus or swine flu.
What do you think

Miss Deb Hawley, a systems analyst replied
"I WOULD REFUSE TO LET MY CHILD HAVE THE FLU VACCINE, IF HE HADN'T DIED OF MEASLES EARLIER THIS YEAR"

Mr. Harvey Enkler, cocktail lounge manager
"If there's a cure, my son won't feel threatened every time I held up this fake vial of the virus. How else am I supposed to get him to do his chores?"

Mr. Orlando Griffin, Sand Caster said
"ALL RIGHT, YOU GOT ME! i don't love my kids".
Magmak1
I am delighted that you find it all a laughing matter. Helps keep you sane.
graham4anything
Obama's daughters did get the flu shot, the first day it was available for the kiddies in his area

that story is another fake story, you need to stop finding anti-Obama stories on Fox, or those quoting a Fox story looking for trouble
Pegatha
QUOTE(Magmak1 @ Oct 27 2009, 07:16 PM) *



cancel that call.

Health Care
Obama girls vaccinated against swine flu

Updated 6:17 p.m.
By Garance Franke-Ruta
Well, that settles that.

Ending speculation about when and whether the Obama girls would receive the scarce swine flu vaccine, the White House on Tuesday revealed that Sasha and Malia were both vaccinated last week, after the vaccine became available to children in the District.

As previously reported by The Post, all four members of the Obama family have received the seasonal flu vaccine, but the president and first lady have not yet received a shot to protect against the H1N1 flu virus, or swine flu. Only 16.5 million doses of the H1N1 vaccine have become available so far, a figure well short of public demand, leading to rationing.

"They will wait until the needs of the priority groups identified by the CDC -- including young people under the age of 24, pregnant women, and people with underlying conditions -- have been met," the first lady's press secretary, Catherine Mccormick-Lelyveld, explained on the White House blog.

"The girls' H1N1 vaccine was administered by a White House physician, who applied for and received the vaccine from the DC Department of Health using the same process as every other vaccination site in the District," she wrote.

The Centers for Disease Control's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices recommends that all children between 6 months and 18 years be vaccinated against H1N1 "as soon as possible." Those not in the high-priority groups are being asked to wait until more vaccine is available.

A case of swine flu was recently reported on the campus of Sidwell Friends School attended by Malia Obama, though not in the middle-school she attends there.

Posted at 3:09 PM ET on Oct 27, 2009

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/1...t.html?wprss=44
Magmak1
I stand corrected.

Now, having just posed a comment which included the entire text and link of Pegatha's post at the story link site, so does the source.

I also left a phone message on the answering machine at Ron Paul's Campaign for Liberty.
graham4anything
I just gotta laugh
the Obamahaters aka the Hatriots blab on and on against him,wishing him and his family ill, then say there is no freedom

if there was no freedom, you wouldn't be allowed to blab on against him

All you need is love, but the Hatriots just have hate in their heart.
Rome wasn't built in a day, but the Hatriots say Obama didn't make their life complete in a few months, while Bush's tore it down in 28 years.

f'n hypocrites if you ask me.
Either that or they want Jeb.
Because you git two choices- Obama or Jeb. There's no other one.
Pegatha
QUOTE(Magmak1 @ Oct 27 2009, 08:46 PM) *
I stand corrected.

Now, having just posed a comment which included the entire text and link of Pegatha's post at the story link site, so does the source.

I also left a phone message on the answering machine at Ron Paul's Campaign for Liberty.


I didn't recognize any comments as being yours. Unless I misunderstand you.
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