I actually do not think there are any flaws, but if not then this great prose would not be possible...

Enjoy…

One Flaw In Women

Women have strengths that amaze men.
They bear hardships and they carry burdens,
but they hold happiness, love and joy.

They smile when they want to scream.
They sing when they want to cry..
They cry when they are happy
and laugh when they are nervous.
They fight for what they believe in.
They stand up to injustice.

They don't take "no" for an answer
when they believe there is a better solution.

They go without so their family can have.
They go to the doctor with a frightened friend
They love unconditionally.
They cry when their children excel
and cheer when their friends get awards.

They are happy when they hear about
a birth or a wedding.
Their hearts break when a friend dies.
They grieve at the loss of a family member,
yet they are strong when they
think there is no strength left.
They know that a hug and a kiss
can heal a broken heart.

Women come in all shapes, sizes and colors.

They'll drive, fly, walk, run or e-mail you
to show how much they care about you..

The heart of a woman is what
makes the world keep turning.

They bring joy, hope and love.
They have compassion and ideas.
They give moral support to their
family and friends.

Women have vital things to say
and everything to give.

HOWEVER, IF THERE IS ONE FLAW IN WOMEN,
IT IS THAT THEY FORGET THEIR WORTH.

I thought your were going to say driving.
Would have to agree if that is the case
99% of all accidents occur that way, though they may not be part of the accident themselves

I think this is a human fault, shared equally by men. The reason men created God was that they forgot it was them
that invented their arts and sciences. Not wanting the responsibility of being a creator, we project it onto the other...

What came first man or God?

Probably woman, then man, then the concept of God...

I love it -- I posted this for the CGCS women -- and only men have commented...

Okay, I'll be the first woman to dive right in here......

What a thoughtful and complimentary post, Taz.

But you know, I think many men possess these qualities ....unfortunately, few of these men are in politics or run corporations.....
They might be if they weren't destroyed along the "way up"......eaten alive and pushed aside......

Yes, I agree with Amy, many men possess those qualities.....I'm told.

Thank you Taz.

You're probably one of those men that I've heard about but never known.

rla, no, it had to be man first then woman, but man didn't believe in God until he fell in love/made love with, that woman.

I believe it is more biologically feasible for the female of the species to appear first...and yes, I suspect eros, then philia, then storge, then agape developed so that Relationships were invented...subsequent generations forgot they had invented this wonderment and created a God in which to bestow this great creative capacity.

An interesting and creative take on God......

Are men really so humble?......I have my doubts......

The existential anxiety associated with creativity may force one into an humble position or a defensive position...

Are you saying humans are so terrified of having their creative expressions rejected or criticized they blame their thoughts or creations on "godly inspiration"...."god made me do it"? Or, when people can't explain the origins of super creativity in scientific terms they toss the origins of creative genius into the "god pot"....."divinely inspired"......"his/her genius is a gift from god".....etc.?

Both and of even more significance is that fear of failure associated with that yet undeveloped potential that one
has only a glimmer of and waits for Help with...Unfortunately persons have a tendency to get impatient and
transform request into demands...and thus start getting in their own way...

There are very few "Female Myths" left for the inspiration of woman-kind. This was deliberate on the part of men. When Patriarchy replaced Matriarchy men set about to destroy the older stories involving Goddesses. The female stories are much older and men didn't succeed in completely wiping out all references to female empowerment. The Huntress Goddesses are an example and remnants are found in all cultures. Those other myths that remain are few and far between like the Myth of Psyche and Eros (Cupid). But the Medusa Myth is an example of the deliberate distortion of the Moon Goddess Story. For instance The "Gorgons" were originally about the beautiful sister guardians of the Moon Goddess Temple who were so beautiful that... er only a certain part of a man was turned to "stone".

Just some thoughts.

TRoU, Judaism has kept it's Feminine... God spelled YHVH... Yod is male, Heh, is female, Vov is male Heh is Female YHVH is the supreme action to the supreme transmistor to the Vov, the male who will place the female on the throne so that she becomes the transmittor back to the intitial Yod.

Look at a six sided star of david. Two triangles, one up and one down, the constant transmission of current and the triangles are "intermingling"....stare at it and see if it doesn't look like a couple making love to you?

Also, there is the Shekinah, never lost in Judaism.

Perhaps Maryolitry in Catholocism but maybe that whole Mary Magdelene, and the Virgin dichotomy....so I don't know.

Every generation sacrifices the Messiah it doesn't yet deserve. We kill them all....On Bloody Sundays around the world.

Our "Stygmata Martyrs" Our sins caste upon their brow and when they pause a second to find an answer or miracle to undo man's monstrosities we prepare the noose, the pyre or the cross.

"...A crowd of massed humanity, Bow and worship diligently. He’s built a loyal following And they steer him thoroughly. But jealous man plots from the pews, No need for valid righteousness. [i]One slightly truthful word set free, Will turn the tides quite easily. Our accusations need not be, What would bury mortal man. The sins of our own deity, are tiny, but on these we stand. So once upon the podium, A crucifix we then erect, And nail our hero heartily, hands and feet, we bind his neck. The reasons for our worship fades, Our Idol drenched in his own blood, Forgotten are the virtues that we, Valued beyond royalty. With joy we dig his shallow grave, Anticipating pains to come. We watch the wriggling dance of death, And laugh light hearted at deaths fun. We pounded out the joyous light. Our saviors buried now for years. A legend now of time gone by, A martyr of forgotten tears."[/i] Abney Park

We even do this with those not Messiah's....Like Obama.

People get very hostile when they start transforming request or personal preferences into demands...would they only take a deep deep breath and let it out very very slowly...they would find their own inner strength and not
demand a savior...

I'm not sure what you're saying here, rla.
But, I don't believe Man created "gods" because they don't want to accept or are afraid to accept responsibility for being "creators'.

I think Man created "gods" to lessen fears and to try and gain some control over their external and internal environments. The needs of man have changed....so the concept of what god is has evolved....but "god" is still a creation of Man's mind, IMMHO, of course.

I think this is a human fault, shared equally by men. The reason men created God was that they forgot it was them
that invented their arts and sciences. Not wanting the responsibility of being a creator, we project it onto the other...[/quote]

An interesting and creative take on God......

Are men really so humble?......I have my doubts......
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The existential anxiety associated with creativity may force one into an humble position or a defensive position...
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Are you saying humans are so terrified of having their creative expressions rejected or criticized they blame their thoughts or creations on "godly inspiration"...."god made me do it"? Or, when people can't explain the origins of super creativity in scientific terms they toss the origins of creative genius into the "god pot"....."divinely inspired"......"his/her genius is a gift from god".....etc.?
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Both and of even more significance is that fear of failure associated with that yet undeveloped potential that one
has only a glimmer of and waits for Help with...Unfortunately persons have a tendency to get impatient and
transform request into demands...and thus start getting in their own way...
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I'm not sure what you're saying here, rla.
But, I don't believe Man created "gods" because they don't want to accept or are afraid to accept responsibility for being "creators'.

I think Man created "gods" to lessen fears and to try and gain some control over their external and internal environments. The needs of man have changed....so the concept of what god is has evolved....but "god" is still a creation of Man's mind, IMMHO, of course.
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The Bronze age gave birth to more Gods than any other. I can well imagine one of the more talented craftsmen
who had excelled and gained great acclaim for the beauty and potency of his statues who hit a dry spell and was not pleasing himself with his creation...He felt that he had something greater in himself if he could just bring it out...
so he selects his very best piece of work and says this is not for sale. I dedicate this piece to the spirit of creativity
amd gives it a name...then his sons and their sons showed their appreciation to the statue that represented their God...

Interesting heart. I wasn't aware of those meanings. Most of that is from the Kabala though is it not? The Old Testament (Torah) as understood by the masses seems to be full of double standards though. Stoning and worse for women who commit adultery yet no punishment stipulated for the male transgressor. Women being excluded from the temples in ancient times and from giving testamony in legal cases, etc...

It may well be that the inner mystic core of Judaism does uphold the feminine but the outer not so much at least in the older traditional sense. But I could be wrong and I know there are the different sects of Judiaism. And I am aware that the stories of Ruth and Esther are female stories of female "heroines" so you are probably right.

Regarding Catholicism, Spain particularly has a "Mary Cult" which upholds the feminine but it was rather forced on Rome by the feelings of the Spanish people and until recent times there was a deep divide among the clergy in Spain regarding the prominence of Mary over Jesus according to James Michener's book "Iberia".

Women are almost always underestimated by men. But as Taz has said the one flaw (if that is what it is) that I've noticed in women is that they underestimate themselves.

Just some thoughts.

Everything being relative, perhaps it appears that women underestimate themselves, relative to men when in
actually it is men over-estimating themselves...

I sure agree with you on this, rla! I will add, that maybe men don't really underestimate women's abilities but it's in their best interest to act like they do so that it will remain difficult for women to compete with men in the work force. Actually, I think many men are afraid of women's abilities......women can be intellectual powerhouses but most also possess more "heart" and emotional intelligence" than most men...traits often lacking or underdeveloped in many men.

Yeah. Well that doesn't help either. But I do believe that too many women are deliberately trained to believe they are lesser by too many cultures and it has a deleterious effect on men, women and children alike. Many men may not see it. But I believe it is a major source of evil in the world.

Just my opinion.

(Sorry Peg, but it is "perversely" enjoyable to type that ending.)

Hee. Just as I suspected!

It may leave readers feeling warm and fuzzy to support the view in the original post in the abstract, but consider the differences when it comes down to any specfic application, such as here:

http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/08/amanda-...-on-huffpo.html
August 01, 2009
Amanda Copeland on "The Autism Underground" on HuffPo
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amanda-copel...n_b_244064.html

How many posting on this thread dismiss the above entirely, BEFORE ACTUALLY HEARING AND FULLY INVESTIGATING? These women (and men) exhibit steel in the face of unparalleled scorn and just might have something valuable to teach the larger society - that's why I post all the links I do about this topic.

Ignore them at your own peril or, if the OP is actually meaningful, read what they have to say (dislike of my personal posting style notwithstanding).

are we having a POST- OFF competition? Dueling threads?

Battle of the threadmeisters and threadmeisterettes?

The devil went down to CGCS
he was looking for a thread to steal
He was in a bind
he was way behind
and the counters were surreal

between this and the GORBA-CHEF thread

I pick Bobby Flay

Just as it is inherently more difficult for persons with a severe physical disability to cope with a culture that is designed for persons with mobility, it is objectively more difficult for girls and women to cope with a culture that
is more masculine in design. Therefore in many of life's important competitions, atheletic, military and career, anticipating slightly less performance for women may be rational and realistic...

Amazing how "well" that works out eh? Well we men who are the descendants of our "masculine" forebears better come up with some new "designs" cause it looks like women are running out of patience. A business friend of mine who was socially conservative once told me he worries for his male grandchildren. He observed how his grand-daughters seemed to spend most of their time getting good grades in school while his grandsons spend most of their time in testosterone games. He speculated that eventually women will not only break the deliberately "designed" "Glass-ceiling" but shatter it for all time and bring down the male buffoons standing on it. He did not like imagining males being reduced to the equivalent role of "Drones" in a Beehive.

While some of us might enjoy being kept as a pampered pet in an "Amazon" society for a while (until the beer ran out anyway) most men would balk eventually. Robert Bly in his book "Iron John" talks about what we men must do to get in touch with the "deep masculine" and revitalize and re-mythologize men's roles in society. It is a good read and it is not anti-feminine but rather about what is good and strong and right about manhood.

Just some more thoughts.

Hey Graham, with some Paul Simon singin' about women who know, women in-the-know, you know, inconvenient women (like in the OP), - he does a good job.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqtX4qZBdRs
Paul Simon - Me & Julio Down by the Schoolyard

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w3CBdLfGqw
Paul Simon - I know what I know

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujhdf9_IO4w
Paul Simon - Kodachrome



Everything is local, somewhere.

IMO, this is a better PS song for this thread: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQqAKAAkufE...PL&index=16

my all-time favorite.

Another thread hijacked by someone who seems to be in dire need of attention -- strokes one way or the other -- positve or negative...and I am not speaking of you Graham...

I prefer this one by John Lennon...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CLGtgovIqc

Thanks Amy...I think we possess them...but I think they are more overlooked in women...whether it is the way women are socialized to be unselfish, the fact that they can and do bear children, their motherly instincts...

And they command respect and appreciation and often do not achieve what they deserve...

Now, many men are similarly plagued I am sure...but this is not because of society which does so to a lesser extent but still pushes the dominance of men...

So, you are quite welcome...

You are quite welcome...

And you know me now...