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Indianhead
Jer 6:13 For from the least of them even unto the greatest of them every one [is] given to covetousness; and from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely.

Jer 6:14 They have healed also the hurt [of the daughter] of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when [there is] no peace.

Jer 6:15 Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time [that] I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.

Jer 6:16 ¶ Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where [is] the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk [therein].

Jer 6:17 Also I set watchmen over you, [saying], Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken.

Jer 6:18 Therefore hear, ye nations, and know, O congregation, what [is] among them.

Jer 6:19 Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, [even] the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it.

We have gotten too smart for ourselves. We have convinced ourselves justice rests with the worship of many Gods, or none at all.

Those who believe the "redistribution of wealth" doctrine are asking "where is my check?"
New guides cry for "social justice" as justification for their own covetousness...and claim the old ways lodge evil and cruelty...
which can only be dispelled if the people grant them more power...their followers make these claims their religion and no longer
humble themselves personally to God.

No, it is not government's place to select a God for us to worship...but if our leaders and our people no longer believe
the establishment of our nation was God's propagation of His gospel, as well as for liberty and freedom...the rock of our
foundation is removed. Do we think that America was a fluke? Were we not meant to chart a course for trusting
that God established natural rights of man? Were we not required to determine the outcome of war after war in
the ascent of man? Does the outcome of war simply rely on machines, superior intellect and luck? I think not.

We all chose our guides, our God(s), and must accept where they take us once that choice is made. Chose wisely, I implore you.

As for me and my house, we will follow The Lord of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David, Soloman. He who manifested
Himself in the flesh of Jesus of Nazareth...so we could come back...that is my testimony...The Lord moves me to believe: we should come back.
That there is not enough power among men to present to a government to banish evil and cruelty...and without Him...there is no peace.
rla
And if you are not good, Santa Clause won't bring you a new truck...
TheRestofUs
QUOTE(Indianhead @ Sep 20 2009, 05:06 AM) *
Jer 6:13 For from the least of them even unto the greatest of them every one [is] given to covetousness; and from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely.

Jer 6:14 They have healed also the hurt [of the daughter] of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when [there is] no peace.

Jer 6:15 Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time [that] I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.

Jer 6:16 ¶ Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where [is] the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk [therein].

Jer 6:17 Also I set watchmen over you, [saying], Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken.

Jer 6:18 Therefore hear, ye nations, and know, O congregation, what [is] among them.

Jer 6:19 Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, [even] the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it.

We have gotten too smart for ourselves. We have convinced ourselves justice rests with the worship of many Gods, or none at all.

Those who believe the "redistribution of wealth" doctrine are asking "where is my check?"
New guides cry for "social justice" as justification for their own covetousness...and claim the old ways lodge evil and cruelty...
which can only be dispelled if the people grant them more power...their followers make these claims their religion and no longer
humble themselves personally to God.

No, it is not government's place to select a God for us to worship...but if our leaders and our people no longer believe
the establishment of our nation was God's propagation of His gospel, as well as for liberty and freedom...the rock of our
foundation is removed. Do we think that America was a fluke? Were we not meant to chart a course for trusting
that God established natural rights of man? Were we not required to determine the outcome of war after war in
the ascent of man? Does the outcome of war simply rely on machines, superior intellect and luck? I think not.

We all chose our guides, our God(s), and must accept where they take us once that choice is made. Chose wisely, I implore you.

As for me and my house, we will follow The Lord of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David, Soloman. He who manifested
Himself in the flesh of Jesus of Nazareth...so we could come back...that is my testimony...The Lord moves me to believe: we should come back.
That there is not enough power among men to present to a government to banish evil and cruelty...and without Him...there is no peace.

Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, 21nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within[b] you."

Luke 17 verse 20-21
Indianhead
Or not.
Indianhead
I was listening to Mahalia Jackson tonight...Newport 1958..."He's Got The Whole World in His Hands".
Lord, what we used to know...what has decayed to a modern secularism...then she sang "His eye is on the Sparrow",
"I sing because I'm free"...Lord that our leaders knew this faith. That they walked this walk.

Sandra
QUOTE(Indianhead @ Dec 24 2009, 06:30 PM) *
I was listening to Mahalia Jackson tonight...Newport 1958..."He's Got The Whole World in His Hands".
Lord, what we used to know...what has decayed to a modern secularism...then she sang "His eye is on the Sparrow",
"I sing because I'm free"...Lord that our leaders knew this faith. That they walked this walk.

Merry Christmas to you and yours, my Brother.



TheRestofUs
QUOTE(Indianhead @ Dec 24 2009, 05:30 PM) *
I was listening to Mahalia Jackson tonight...Newport 1958..."He's Got The Whole World in His Hands".
Lord, what we used to know...what has decayed to a modern secularism...then she sang "His eye is on the Sparrow",
"I sing because I'm free"...Lord that our leaders knew this faith. That they walked this walk.

Maybe some are trying to, but we don't see it?

BTW Merry Christmas to you and yours Bro.
jeffmoskin
And may God bless us all - each and every one of us.
cutecat
QUOTE(Indianhead @ Dec 24 2009, 07:30 PM) *
I was listening to Mahalia Jackson tonight...Newport 1958..."He's Got The Whole World in His Hands".
Lord, what we used to know...what has decayed to a modern secularism...then she sang "His eye is on the Sparrow",
"I sing because I'm free"...Lord that our leaders knew this faith. That they walked this walk.



IH try the Library of congress. They have great recordings on file including Mahalia Jackson

Library of congress/music
rla
IH, according to your theory Israel and the USA have special place and Fu*k everybody else...

If there were such a thing as God, I expect it would be more inclussive than that...
bigtom
A late Christmas present for Indianhead!






Christ’s Bell


THE BELL
I KNOW WHO I AM
I am God's child (John 1:12)
I am Christ's friend (John 15:15 )
I am united with the Lord (1 Cor. 6:17)
I am bought with a price (1 Cor 6:19-20)
I am a saint (set apart for God). (Eph. 1:1)
I am a personal witness of Christ. (Acts 1:8)
I am the salt & light of the earth (Matt 5:13-14)
I am a member of the body of Christ (1 Cor 12:27)
I am free forever from condemnation ( Rom. 8: 1-2)
I am a citizen of Heaven. I am significant (Phil 3 :20)
I am free from any charge against me (Rom. 8:31 -34)
I am a minister of reconciliation for God (2 Cor 5:17-21)
I have access to God through the Holy Spirit (Eph. 2:18)
I am seated with Christ in the heavenly realms (Eph. 2:6)
I cannot be separated from the love of God (Rom 8:35-39)
I am established, anointed, sealed by God (2 Cor 1:21-22 )
I am assured all things work together for good (Rom. 8:28 )
I have been chosen and appointed to bear fruit (John 15:16 )
I may approach God with freedom and confidence (Eph. 3: 12 )
I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me (Phil. 4:13 )
I am the branch of the true vine, a channel of His life (John 15: 1-5)
I am God's temple (1 Cor. 3: 16). I am complete in Christ (Col. 2: 10)
I am hidden with Christ in God (Col. 3:3).. I have been justified (Romans 5:1)
I am God's co-worker (1 Cor. 3:9; 2 Cor 6:1). I am God's workmanship (Eph. 2:10)
I am confident that the good works God has begun in me will be perfected. (Phil. 1: 5)
I have been redeemed and forgiven ( Col 1:14). I have been adopted as God's child (Eph 1:5)
I belong to God
Do you know
Who you are?


Keep this bell ringing...pass it on
'The LORD bless you and keep you;
The LORD make His face shine upon you
And be gracious to you;
The LORD turn His face toward you
And give you peace...

Indianhead
My sister in Texas sent me "The Bell" too...funny...

While ideologes damn...I am strong in the faith because there is a promise...



Seeking higher ground

Written by Lisa Fort
http://www.linncountynews.net/index.php?op...g&Itemid=29


Tuesday, 05 January 2010 19:58

God's Abiding Presence

By SHANE KASTLER

"I will never leave you nor forsake you."
(Hebrews 13:5)

One of the most comforting aspects of being a Christian is the promise that God will always be with us.
From God we have a promise that if we truly love and follow Jesus Christ as Lord, he will "never leave us nor forsake us."
Yet even though we may know this promise to be true, there are times in life when we may feel abandoned by God.

Usually, these feelings of forsakenness come when we endure suffering in our lives. We wonder where God is
and why he didn't prevent it from happening. When our emotions drive us into this kind of thinking, we should remember
what God's word teaches and know that he will never leave us. God never promises Christians a life free of suffering,
but he does promise to be with us in the midst of the suffering.

When you encounter seasons of suffering in your life, rather than accusing God of abandoning you, try to imagine
how horrible the situation would be if you didn't have his abiding presence and strength to carry you through the trial.
The ordeal you're facing may be over with tomorrow, or it may continue on for years. Either way, if Christ is Lord of your life,
then you can rest assured that God will abide with you and carry you through. He promises to "never leave you nor forsake you."
So trust in him and make a commitment to faithfully follow him in good times and in bad.

Which brings me to:
Psalms 91:


He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
  I will say of the LORD, [He is] my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.
  Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, [and] from the noisome pestilence.
  He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth [shall be thy] shield and buckler.
  Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; [nor] for the arrow [that] flieth by day;
  [Nor] for the pestilence [that] walketh in darkness; [nor] for the destruction [that] wasteth at noonday.
  A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; [but] it shall not come nigh thee.
  Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.
  Because thou hast made the LORD, [which is] my refuge, [even] the most High, thy habitation;
  There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
  For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
  They shall bear thee up in [their] hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
  Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.
  Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.
  He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I [will be] with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.
  With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation.

What have I to fear? Death where is your sting?
The hardest times of my life gave me an understanding. An understanding that I take to my grave, which is not the end.



Sandra
Psalm 91 is one of my favorites. It's very comforting to me. Thanks for posting that, bro.

Indianhead
rla:

Did someone claiming faith hurt you?

Can I help? Look at the moutains, and know the wonder.
Indianhead
QUOTE(Sandra @ Jan 5 2010, 09:28 PM) *
Psalm 91 is one of my favorites. It's very comforting to me. Thanks for posting that, bro.


It is my wife's strength. Her favorite passage.

After a wreck killed her (former) husband and her four-year-old daughter she turned to it and it
held her, lifted her up. She is truly a saint and requires of me a dedication and love...I did not know I had.

We know each other instinctively...as I know you...and yours.
rla
QUOTE(Indianhead @ Jan 5 2010, 08:29 PM) *
rla:

Did someone claiming faith hurt you?

Can I help? Look at the moutains, and know the wonder.


No One hurt me...I am sometimes hurt by the prevailing ignorance around me...

I am filled with wonder and love...so I don't linger very long in the sadness...

I place little authority in Scripture and not much more in History...both get re-spun on a regular bases...
Indianhead
And yet scripture and history defines us as a people.

If the traditions are worthless then the future is chaos.

It may be...but if those simpletons (of which I am one)
can give some balance...sustinance...support...it is our due.

Because of The Grace I have been afforded.

I have been blessed with 49 years of Grace since my 21st Birthday on Firebase West.

I am nobody...I don't mean nothing...and yet I am required to pay back
what I have been given. It has nothing to do with politics or party. I owe.

And, this debt is to the believers in our country...of which you are one.

I believe your love for it establishes place....equal or better than mine.

Carry on young brother...define the cause of the country...for which so many are willing to die.

Your youth and dedication claims cause...and what else did men die for?

cutecat
That Jeremiah is Old Testament

With the single exception of the Book of Isaiah, which contains the works of more than one prophet, the Book of Jeremiah is the longest of the prophetic books of the Old Testament. Jeremiah contains a considerable amount of material of a biographical and historical nature in addition to the prophet's own words.

Sorry but unless you are Jewish the old testament is history and as Christians the new testament is the book you follow.

I dislike when people quote bible scripture to argue or present a case for something.

Many extremist and odd spin off religions in the christian faith. It is literal interpretation in modern times of religious works Biblical, new testament or Koran that are used to justify extremest.
Sandra
QUOTE(cutecat @ Jan 5 2010, 11:24 PM) *
Sorry but unless you are Jewish the old testament is history and as Christians the new testament is the book you follow.

Sorry, cc....but I'm Catholic, and we read both Old and New Testaments. Christians don't follow all laws of the Old Testament, but we do still follow the Ten Commandments, for example. Jesus Himself said:
QUOTE(Matthew 5:17)
‘Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill.'
One question I always have about my faith with regard to the Old Testament and the passages that follow the quoted one above from Matthew is whether we should be following it more closely, not less so.

QUOTE
I dislike when people quote bible scripture to argue or present a case for something.


I'm really sorry you feel that way, but Scripture is the ultimate Source for those of us who follow the LORD.
Sandra
QUOTE(cutecat @ Jan 5 2010, 11:24 PM) *
Many extremist and odd spin off religions in the christian faith. It is literal interpretation in modern times of religious works Biblical, new testament or Koran that are used to justify extremest.

I meant to address this in my previous post....if someone wanted to twist the words, you could probably justify anything by using the Bible. But I would bet that there would be a contradiction somewhere else that would clearly state that those actions are wrong. (THOU SHALT NOT KILL - Ex20:13, comes to mind).

I resent the implication that religion is the problem. There are millions of peaceful people all over the world who embrace Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc. The problem is extremism, not religion. Political extremists may also become violent -- again, the problem is extremism, not necessarily their ideology.

billfmsd
QUOTE(Sandra @ Jan 6 2010, 10:30 AM) *
QUOTE(cutecat @ Jan 5 2010, 11:24 PM) *
Many extremist and odd spin off religions in the christian faith. It is literal interpretation in modern times of religious works Biblical, new testament or Koran that are used to justify extremest.

I meant to address this in my previous post....if someone wanted to twist the words, you could probably justify anything by using the Bible. But I would bet that there would be a contradiction somewhere else that would clearly state that those actions are wrong. (THOU SHALT NOT KILL - Ex20:13, comes to mind).

I resent the implication that religion is the problem. There are millions of peaceful people all over the world who embrace Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc. The problem is extremism, not religion. Political extremists may also become violent -- again, the problem is extremism, not necessarily their ideology.
I agree.

Religion does have it's problems, but the extremism is a perversion of most religions. Extremist movements are usually fueled by secular interests.
Indianhead
MagMak1 sent me this link in a PM...

...it sounds familiar...


http://carolynbaker.net/site/content/view/1504/1/

Review: The Book of Eli
...
In Eli's world of abject lawlessness, ruled by roving gangs and petty dictators like Carnegie, life is all about survival
and the physical strength it takes to maintain it. What we consider today basic necessities of life, such as soap, toothpaste,
and shampoo have disappeared, and most humans are creatures that can only be described as vile in their lack of hygiene
as well as their lack of any moral compass.
...
For Eli, however, life is about so much more than food, water, and shelter, and that is precisely what makes his character
and this particular movie unique. He is cherishing what seems to have eluded everyone else around him-a profound spiritual connection.
Forget that it's a bible he's carrying. Forget that his spirituality has a distinctly Christian flavor. As anyone who sees the movie is likely
to agree, he could have been carrying the I Ching or the Bhagavad Gita or the Koran. Please dear reader/moviegoer, do not get ensnared
here by whatever axes you have to grind with religion. The point is that it was Eli's connection with the sacred that sustained him emotionally
in a world of madness and mayhem.

...

A man clinging to God and guns...who'd a figgured? cool.gif
billfmsd
QUOTE(Indianhead @ Feb 12 2010, 12:06 PM) *
MagMak1 sent me this link in a PM...

...it sounds familiar...


http://carolynbaker.net/site/content/view/1504/1/

Review: The Book of Eli
...
In Eli's world of abject lawlessness, ruled by roving gangs and petty dictators like Carnegie, life is all about survival
and the physical strength it takes to maintain it. What we consider today basic necessities of life, such as soap, toothpaste,
and shampoo have disappeared, and most humans are creatures that can only be described as vile in their lack of hygiene
as well as their lack of any moral compass.
...
For Eli, however, life is about so much more than food, water, and shelter, and that is precisely what makes his character
and this particular movie unique. He is cherishing what seems to have eluded everyone else around him-a profound spiritual connection.
Forget that it's a bible he's carrying. Forget that his spirituality has a distinctly Christian flavor. As anyone who sees the movie is likely
to agree, he could have been carrying the I Ching or the Bhagavad Gita or the Koran. Please dear reader/moviegoer, do not get ensnared
here by whatever axes you have to grind with religion. The point is that it was Eli's connection with the sacred that sustained him emotionally
in a world of madness and mayhem.
Lawlessness was never a problem. The universe has had laws long before humans ever chose to translate laws into words. Misunderstanding the various types of law and the limitations of those types is where the problems start.

There's more to life than surviving. We need to get beyond the belief that life is about surviving. Otherwise, there would be no reason to connect with what past generations consider sacred.

QUOTE(Indianhead @ Feb 12 2010, 12:06 PM) *
A man clinging to God and guns...who'd a figgured? cool.gif
Peace through force.

And history repeats.
billfmsd
QUOTE(Sandra @ Jan 6 2010, 10:22 AM) *
QUOTE(cutecat @ Jan 5 2010, 11:24 PM) *
Sorry but unless you are Jewish the old testament is history and as Christians the new testament is the book you follow.

Sorry, cc....but I'm Catholic, and we read both Old and New Testaments. Christians don't follow all laws of the Old Testament, but we do still follow the Ten Commandments, for example. Jesus Himself said:
QUOTE(Matthew 5:17)
‘Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill.'
One question I always have about my faith with regard to the Old Testament and the passages that follow the quoted one above from Matthew is whether we should be following it more closely, not less so.
The Old Testament was about a repeated cycle of sin, sacrifice, and sin again calling for more sacrifice. The law was never satisfied. I consider fulfillment of the law to mean permanent satisfaction of the law. Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice for past, present, and future sins of all those who accept the grace of God from that sacrifice.
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