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Magmak1
When Taz argued about my refusal to believe that “We cannot go back in time”, he said “It’s a reality” and that he tried to draw an analogy.

Think about that for a moment, and then explain to me how an analogy can be a reality.

His tactic of responding inside my posts with the same font and color as I used in that post is an obvious tactical technique spotted already and for which he has already have been called out; it is a plain, clean sign of his lack of intellectual integrity. But what else should we expect from someone who keeps bouncing the NIST product and process back into play?

He failed to address the element of discovery and subpoena and the tactic of compelling testimony, and then rolling over that into new territory for further legal means of compelling testimony and discovery. "Wonderful thing, a subpoena."

[By the way, what does the suffix Esq. mean when it follows a name? Let’s ask the American Bar Association: http://www.abanet.org/soloseznet/threads/0505/esq.html ]

That discussion was about the forensics….

I don’t pretend to have read this stuff, but:

A good compendium on site and materiel forensics can be found here:
http://911research.wtc7.net/resources/web/wtc.html

Victim forensics are covered in some detail in multiple articles here:
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/linksto911...ctimidentificat

but he continues to suggest that the collection of forensic evidence and the high-priority rescue & stabilization activities cannot proceed simultaneously, or nearly-simultaneously, and in parallel space within an impact zone, even though I have provided references that indicate that it is routine and routinely a component of incident response planning in fire, police, EMS and other agency plans. Remember I am experienced, and was NIMS certified. But Taz doesn't have to believe me; he can go ask Richard Canas and Dominic Rota.

He asks if Gayle Onnen is an expert in the area of his fallacioious postulation, but a simple Google will disclose that she was an-scene photographer and had prior experience in disaster-scene photography. “She is an accomplished photographer who has spent over 15 years in the forensic and mass disaster fields. Her involvement in mass disaster response has included months of work in New York for 9-11, the Flight 587 crash in Queens, and in Louisiana for hurricanes Katrina and Rita.”

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Taz didn’t give me any points at all for countering his claim that “There is good reason not to allow any photographers or media to examine the wreckage -- its a gravesite...literally....” with six documented indications that such photography is routine and once again he argued that further forensic research would show great disrespect of the dead.

I offer the counter-argument that the greatest disrespect for the dead is to move forward without convincing understanding of what and who killed them. The greatest disrespect for the dead and their surviving relatives is to not blithely write off what happened as a matter of coincidence, incompetence, or whatever.

Furthermore, any suggestion that forensic photography in a disaster situation is being disrespectful of the dead is way too late, as these collections of photos will attest:

http://www.stevespak.com/fires/manhattan/groundzero.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/p...ro_archive.html
http://www.gulnarasamoilova.com/
http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0111/biggart12.htm
http://amanzafar.com/WTC/index.shtm

Furthermore, some of it has been put on display in the nation’s capital:

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“The National Museum of Health and Medicine, located on Walter Reed, has unveiled an exhibit highlighting efforts used by its parent organization, the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, to identify the victims of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks at the Pentagon and the crash of United Airlines Flight 93 in Somerset County, Pa.
The exhibit, Research Matters: 9/11, The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology Responds, features photographs never before seen by the public that were taken by AFIP staff as part of their duties. The exhibit will run indefinitely.
"The experiences of my colleagues in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks have become part of our collective national memory and have been documented by the museum for lasting value to the world," said Dr. Adrianne Noe, museum director.”


I haven’t yet done the research yet on the specifics used at the three scenes and I am by no means prepared to argue that any DNA identifications done anywhere were suspect, but ...

I did get clear about the vague uneasiness I had about this issue…

It was the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology that had been involved in a famous autopsy in which the evidence and photographs and notes and reports were highly suspect. Indeed, the evidence is apparently still missing. How it can be missing after being placed in the National Archives is a question that hasn’t been answered; it must have gone to the same place those Convar hard drives can be found.

Oh, yes, indeed, Taz will say.

Another conspiracy theory??!

But that one -- like this one -- has been great fodder for all the incompetence and coincidence theorists, the apologists for bad science and those who rest their conclusive support on analogies and simulations which, by definition, are not the real thing.

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Taz says … once again … that he thinks I am suggesting that we “waste” millions of dollars doing more forensic recovery and research and analysis and investigation of the whole enchilada, but he fails to acknowledge or address my comments on the missing … not wasted, missing … trillions of dollars. The first rule of propaganda is to get people to swallow false assumptions.

So let me get this straight:

He doesn't think we should spent a few more million trying to figure out where trillions went? Or trying to recover it?

Who was his math teacher? Vesco? Madoff? Rumsfeld?

The incompetence theorists are content to be concerned about spending a few million but watch trillions disappear.

They are blasé about this level of incompetence? A couple of bumbling bureaucrats and 3,000 people got evaporated and they and others say 'oh, let's just let bygones be bygones?'

As another veteran researcher has put it: “Anyone with reasonable access to the JFK evidence who does not conclude conspiracy is cognitively impaired and/or complicit in the crime…. We are at war with the killers of John Fitzgerald Kennedy -- and with their accessories after the fact.” And the same types of people are involved.. the same names, the same faces, the same agencies. And then we are told (again, for the umpteenth time) that we shouldn’t question the government’s official story.


But at least we do have a pretty solid idea who that dude with the Harley outfit was who was selected somehow by someone to play the role and tell us that he knew that very morning the precise mechanics of how the jet fuel burned so hot that it weakened the massive steel beams such that the entire building turned to micron-size dust in the formation of a pyroclastic cloud.Mostly due to structural failure because the fire was just too intense”.



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Apparently the NY Times noted that "... super thermite might not even exist" but http://awards.lanl.gov/PDFfiles/Super-Ther...atches_2003.pdf and , if you read the 'AMTIAC Quarterly' on the military applications of nano-energetics, http://www.p2pays.org/ref/34/33115.pdf , you’ll see the military and DARPA imprints on the front cover.

Why hasn't the FBI examined this issue?

Perhaps their agenda differs from the agenda of Americans interested in finding the truth regarding the perpetrators of the 911 attacks?

"The FBI has been AWOL."

The mission statement of the explosives branch of the FBI, our dutiful public servant, says:

"Perform chemical analyses to determine the type of explosives used in an improvised explosive or incendiary device; and
Assist investigators in determining if debris from a fire of suspicious origin has an accelerant present."


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Taz asks why should NIST prove what they have already proven, neatly dismissing scads of research, evidence and professional and scientific expertise which suggests that the NIST work was --- well, what word should I use? – incompetent. Lacking in integrity.

(Lots of that going around these days…)

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Tazvil04 wrote

“It is more incumbent upon the government to prove what they have proven?
Where do you get this from?
Where is this written?”



It was discussed obliquely in Post #16, Bullet #12C, but much more specifically in the Introduction (page xv and thereafter) of David Ray Griffin’s book The New Pearl Harbor Revisited: 9/11, The Cover-up, and the Exposé.


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“Absent a revival of investigative journalism—a dim prospect at best, in view of the media ownership concentration—books like this one, arming the informed citizen with solid information and providing a basis for demanding direct action, appear to be our best hope."

Shelton F. Lankford, Lt. Col. US Marine Corps (Ret.)


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Tazvil04 argued:

“Let us say we have a scientist...like Isaac Newton...who has established a theory of gravity...its widely accepted and used with modern physics...and then we have someone who calls Newton's law a fraud and invalid...

Is it incumbent upon Newton to defend what has been widely accepted or for the challenger to provide a proof that invalidates his theory?”



but his parallel here is illogical and incorrect. He argues on the basis of Newton being highly accepted, which of course he is today; back then, however, he was seen more as something akin to a “conspiracy theorist”.

As WikiPedia puts it,

“Newton's postulate of an invisible force able to act over vast distances led to him being criticized for introducing ‘occult agencies" into science’.

Like Popular Mechanics and NIST ...

Indeed, back then, Newton did have to prove his theory, and he did so by publishing it -- for peer review and examination -- in the form of “the Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica (now known as the Principia) which was published on 5 July 1687 with encouragement and financial help from Edmond Halley.” Under further questioning, before the gravitas of his work was accepted, in the second edition of the 'Principia' (1713), Newton firmly rejected the criticisms, writing it was both unnecessary and improper to frame hypotheses of things that were not implied by the phenomena.

Thanks again for helping to make my case. I do thank you for introducing Newton and his ideas into the discussion: perhaps we can get him, since he helped develop infinitesimal calculus, and his successors to focus on what happened to the missing trillions, [maybe they just moved the decimal point!] and whatever happened at WTC7.



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Let's let Taz just totally ignore the fact that the future Executive Director of the 9/11 Commission co-authored a paper in 1998 with a former Deputy Secretary of Defense who thereafter served as the Director of Central Intelligence that said

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An act of catastrophic terrorism that killed thousands or tens of thousands of people and/or disrupted the necessities of life for hundreds of thousands, or even millions, would be a watershed event in America’s history. It could involve loss of life and property unprecedented for peacetime and undermine Americans’ fundamental sense of security [oooooooo...] within their own borders in a manner akin to the 1949 Soviet atomic bomb test, or perhaps even worse. Constitutional liberties would be challenged as the United States sought to protect itself from further attacks by pressing against allowable limits in surveillance of citizens, detention of suspects, and the use of deadly force. More violence would follow, either as other terrorists seek to imitate this great "success" or as the United States strikes out at those considered responsible. Like Pearl Harbor, such an event would divide our past and future into a "before" and "after." The effort and resources we devote to averting or containing this threat now, in the "before" period, will seem woeful, even pathetic, when compared to what will happen "after." Our leaders will be judged negligent for not addressing catastrophic terrorism more urgently.


"Prophetic or what?"

Taz is among the negligence theorists, yet no one has held anyone accountable for their negligence.

Negligent homicide is a criminal charge brought against people who, through criminal negligence, allow others to die.

If I keep pointing that put, I’ll probably get in Deutch. John Deutch. [Oh, just as an aside, a chemist published on the subject of explosives, pardoned by Clinton for security breaches as the DCI. He has also served on the boards of Raytheon and CitiGroup, and Schlumberger Ltd., and the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board (PFIAB) (1990-93). when Deutch was appointed to the PFIAB, he was also serving as a member of the Defense Policy Board, and the Science Advisory Board of the National Security Agency.]

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By the way, who is arguing that “the government” should be in charge of the new investigation? Certainly not me…

It is perfectly obvious, although there are authors and others at the center of the phenomenon, that the search for 9/11 truth is a widely-dispersed group of citizens who have conducted the research, gathered the information, forwarded the argument, created the videos, etc.

There are very many sources on the interrelationships of the citizens with their governors, going all the way back to 1215.

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Tazvil04 speaks of a “conversation” in post #22 in his debunking thread. We have had this kind of interaction over a number of threads, years, and web sites. He calls the points I raise and the evidence I support “conspiracy theories” and yet at the same time Tazvil04 suggests, at least indirectly, that there are places this conversation can’t go, or shouldn’t go, because it might offend someone or something or because it is disallowed because of “national security”. The national security point is a laughter because the national security state is a prime suspect, and because the security of this nation and its people has been continuously put at risk, or used as guinea pigs, or been victimized by the very people in charge of it, through extended warfare, egregious bailouts, and more.

I think back to a comment I heard once – and have used frequently since – by Andrew Lippman, Ph.D., then the Associate Director of Media Technology at MIT, in a conference hosted by Arthur Ellison, M.D. and the Medical Simulation Foundation on October 20-21, 1986 at the corner of Adams and Strafford Roads in a little sleepy hamlet called Williamstown, Massachusetts.

"In his more than 35 years at MIT's world-famous MediaLab, Dr. Andrew Lippman has been one of the world's foremost researchers on the evolution and impact of digital technology and media on business, society and everyday life.

He is one of the world’s foremost authorities on viral communication and how infrastructure-free communications systems will transform society, the communications industry and business in general. His focus:

Make information alive—communication that is fully embedded in our daily lives.

Make digital social networks work like real social networks—social networks and systems that work as fluidly as natural contact in a village."

The man said “Interaction involves mutual and simultaneous activity among people working on a common goal. The process must be mutually interruptible (like a conversation) and, therefore, where you end up is an unknown.”

In this case, we are not talking about a conversation between two people named Magmak1 and Tazvil04; we are talking about a conversation between the American people and the leadership of the American socio-political culture.

Like two quarreling marital partners, if there are parties in that conversation who insist on setting limits to what can be discussed, or how it can be discussed, it’s not a valid conversation, and it is not likely to end up with mutual satisfaction.

Maybe we should go back and evaluate what he said in the context of what we know (or think we know) about 9/11.

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Taz asks “When does it stop?”

It stops when there is finality of justice, when there is appropriate [according to legal rules, processes and the law] investigation, discovery, trial and sentencing for crimes committed.

It stops when the American people, the American system of law, and the American media own up to their fiduciary duty and responsibility [“a legal relationship of confidence or trust between two or more parties”]. I might add “respect”.

It stops when the parties stop playing games.

It stops when people begin to act in full disclosure, in personal authenticity, with veracity and courage and interpersonal groundedness.


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Taz asks on what basis can I demand proof of the “official story”.

I can ask for it on the basis of being a citizen… on the basis of prior history and law and precedence and morality. I can ask on the basis, as the English poet said, that “no man is an island”. I can ask on the basis that I have done my own homework and have come satisfactorily to conclusions that we are not being told the whole truth by the government. “The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth” is a phrase that rings in my ears for some reason. So, help me, God.

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Taz suggests that 9/11 Truthers make FOIA claims knowing full well that that has already occurred but that that process has been slowed, corrupted, corroded, and often simply provides documents that are widely blacked out or, we are told, can’t be foundlike the President’s brains, they are missing…. “Mostly due to structural failure because the fire was just too intense” ... like the recovered hard drives whose recovered secrets suddenly disappeared behind the walls of corporations run by those affiliated with state security apparati and which were deeply involved in the events …

As written by another veteran in the field…:

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They just hire their own judges, their own Attorney Generals & Law Officers, and when they're unequivocally caught in illegal or criminal behavior, they just play the National Security card. And that's without even mentioning widespread private military contractor immunity from prosecution in the jurisdictions in which they operate.


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Taz says I have no proof of what or who was on the planes. If there is proof that he has. or the government has, bring it forth. Bring it into the light of day where the rest of us can see it.

Like the black boxes. Like the people arguing the point.

It all has to be seen for what it is, says, does.

Transparency. Integrity.

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Taz has made an argument…
  • “Was the official story in the Warren Investigation proven?
  • Was the Senate Intelligence Committee assessments of the prewar intelligence proven?
  • Was the FEMA screw ups regarding Hurricane Katrina proven?
  • Were the findings in the Iran Contra investigation ever proven?
  • Were the Walter Read hospital screw-ups ever proven?”


which is a new approach, a Moebius-loop of twisted logic that actually makes our point for us, thank you again.

The official Warren story has been disproven.
The Iran-Contra events and connections have been proven.

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Taz suggests that I or “we” could sue the US government. The US Congress is supposed to oversee the Executive Branch but it is busy with its own corruption and malfeasance that it can’t and won’t say boo. The state security apparatus is now safely hidden inside corporations (which have some additional or different barriers to discovery and suit, or which are protected as agents of the state security apparatus). And, at any rate, the whole process of suing the government is fraught with risk, expense, etc., and apparently I don’t know where to find a lawyer. There is a TV show, though, called JAG.

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The inference that Dr. Griffin is a serial disinformation agent that is a small part of some of that other material that Taz has posted is a flashback moment, isn’t it? It’s a slice of the CGCS wayback machine.

It goes back to the time when, probably from the very same off-site source, someone else suggested that the theologian was a neo-con” disinformation specialist.

I answered that back then, and so did the theologian, and it’s still being thrown out there like the mud that Taz accuses truthers of throwing because there isn’t any other way they can refute the many books he has written.

What happened back then, Tazvil04?

What was the outfall of all of that?

Are you looking for a sequel?

As has been discussed and described at too much length, it tore a huge hole in the CGCS community. It caused great trauma to this community.


Why is it being re-introduced now?


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The state has the power, the courts, the lawyers, Congress, the media, the ability to spy on its own people, the tools to blackmail, the cash to pay people off, the science-propagandists, the armor-clad men of the Empire, the privatized police and the private armies and the closed-feedback loop between political support and corporate malfeasance, illegitimacy, and immorality, but the State is not on the right side of morality, freedom, integrity, justice or the law. It is not of the people, it is not by the people and it is no longer for the people.

The "de-bunking" and the refusal to see and acknowledge this stands in support of psychopaths and sociopaths who think nothing of rape, theft, fraud, abuse, degradation, destruction, murder, treason, and war crimes.

Vincent Salandria: "I'm afraid we were misled. All the critics, myself included, were misled very early. I see that now. We spent too much time and effort microanalyzing the details of the assassination when all the time it was obvious, it was blatantly obvious that it was a conspiracy. Don't you think that the men who killed Kennedy had the means to do it in the most sophisticated and subtle way? They chose not to. Instead, they picked the shooting gallery that was Dealey Plaza and did it in the most barbarous and openly arrogant manner. The cover story was transparent and designed not to hold, to fall apart at the slightest scrutiny. The forces that killed Kennedy wanted the message clear: 'We are in control and no one - not the President, nor Congress, nor any elected official - no one can do anything about it.' It was a message to the people that their Government was powerless."

As that previously-noted veteran researcher put it:


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No more "debate" on questions long answered.
No more collegiality to the enemy.
We hold the moral and historical high ground.




I will follow those suggestions and endeavor to do as little damage to the CGCS community as possible.

It has also been suggested that by several people that I continue to play pattycake with you, but I am going to refrain from that, for several reasons:

1) I have better things to do with my time;
2) I don’t wish to create any more damage to the CGCS community than is already being done by its members;
3) The questions have been answered to my satisfaction; you and everyone else are content to go on with your own conclusions, purposes and tactics;
4) Given the death and destruction being brought to the world and now even US citizens by the US state security apparatus (talk about paranoia??!), I don’t need to be collegial with them or those who support them, or what it stands in support of;
5) The readers and the American citizenry get to keep what they continue to support, and they get to keep their co-responsibilities, and they get to answer for what it produces under their flag in ways that cannot yet be foreseen.


Pontius Pilate was able to wash his hands, and you all can do the same.


Today we even have Purrell.





Good night. Sleep tight. Don’t let the bedbugs byte. off2bed.gif


Magmak1


Recently, there was an exchange in which it was suggested (again) that David Ray Griffin is a “serial” disinformation specialist. In the past, it’s been suggested that he was a “neo-con” disinformation specialist; at that time, both he and responded in terms that were akin to sputting balderdash. (I could point out a few serial neo-cons and their policies, but that’s not the focus here for the moment.) What I want anyone who reads this to do is this: find me any evidence that confirms that POV.

I don’t think it is true; here’s why.

The bulk of DRG’s books are published by Interlink Publishing, 46 Crosby Street, Northampton, MA 01060-1804; here’s their "about us" page which states that they focus”on books that have a wide appeal while also meeting high intellectual and literary standards”, and “socially and politically relevant non-fiction, concentrating on topics and areas of the world often ignored by the Western media. Titles also include works on a wide range of contemporary issues such as Middle East studies, African studies, women's studies, religion and translated works by academics of international stature.

Their leading title at the time I accessed their web site was Inside Fallujah: The Unembedded Story by Ahmed Mansour, described as a “courageous work of journalism by the only reporter to remain in Fallujah during the US siege of the city, Inside Fallujah is the story of a defining battle that determined the future of the US occupation of Iraq; the story of a city that shattered US designs not only for Iraq but the region as a whole.”

Here’s another: Richard Wolff’s Capitalism Hits the Fan, a book of short, 1000-word essays on the history and dimensions of the current economic crisis as well as government responses and political implications. The essays, published from 2005 through mid-2009 on the Monthly Review webzine, have been edited with new introductions for maximum clarity, brevity, and accessibility to many audiences.

Described in a review as "A breathtakingly clear analysis that breaks down the root causes of today’s economic crisis," the book, Wolff suggests, might be useful for teaching purposes as well. To watch a video about the book and to order, click either on the website of the publisher, Interlink Books,


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On Phillip Zelikow

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No reasonably intelligent and rational individual could possibly watch the full two hours of this video and still honestly believe everything the American government has told its citizens about the events of 11 September 2001:

http://www.ae911truth.org/flashmov11.htm

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Provenance of the Samples

"The paper's findings are based primarily on the analysis of particles derived from four separate samples of dust generated by the destruction of the Twin Towers, samples whose provenance the paper describes in detail. Each of the samples was collected by a different individual who has described the time, place, and methods of collecting and storing their sample. Each individual collected dust that had settled directly after the fall of one of the Twin Towers, with the one exception, Janette MacKinlay, who collected dust when allowed to re-enter her apartment a week after it was carpeted with shovel-fulls of dust and debris from the South Tower."

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermit...e_residues.html





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http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=AU&hl=...laynext_from=PL The Debunkers Have a Suggestion (satire, I think)

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For the Coincidence Theorists (Hey, President Obama, Question This)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=AU&hl=...laynext_from=PL

[N.B.: This has multiple segments which will trigger off the previous one. It is very long (in part because YouTube keeps making them go away(!)), and because there were so very many of those coincidences it took hours to cover them all).]

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Magmak1
An excerpt:

"Presumably the 9/11 commissioners themselves should be a target for the JREF debunkers, given that six of the ten have openly questioned the Commission’s findings and described the whole thing as a whitewash.

Perhaps the same goes for the majority of the 9/11 victims’ family members, who also have unanswered questions regarding the attacks, according to the head of the biggest 9/11 families group. [... whose lost ones will be "disrespected" if we continue digging up the truth..?]

JREF was officially established in 1996 to “help debunk paranormal and pseudoscientific claims”. How ironic it is then that the foundation seemingly supports the pseudoscientific claim that jet fuel, and office fires in the case of of World Trade Center 7, can burn at temperatures hot enough to cause multi-story steel framed structures to collapse and disintegrate at free fall rate.

JREF has comedians and a man who pretended to have a picture of fairies at its conferences, the 9/11 truth movement has heard from hundreds of architects, engineers and physics professors. How telling it is that the BBC paints up JREF as the credible organisation, while the 9/11 truth movement is reduced to the level of racist internet-dwelling freaks.

The ever present anti-semite smear against the 9/11 truth movement is present, tick that prerequisite off the list. Apparently British investigative journalist Jon Ronson (he who lied in his own book in claiming he entered the elite Bohemian Grove gathering with Alex Jones) posted a comment on a 9/11 truth forum and was, according to the BBC, “abused and ridiculed because he is Jewish”.

Demonization of the internet is there too, with the following lazy smear:

“Conspiracy theorists have used the internet to co-ordinate increasingly slick attacks on the accepted versions of events… Conspiracy theories predate the internet but the web has provided a fast, accessible platform for groups to unite, gather research and disseminate information without even meeting or leaving their houses.”

Check off another cliched attack.

The piece also intimates that a belief in a conspiracy regarding the assassination of JFK is something to be classed as kooky or revisionist. A reader comment nails the ridiculousness of such a claim:

So I guess you’re also including the “House Select Committee on Assassinations” who in 1970 concluded that “The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. The committee was unable to identify the other gunmen or the extent of the conspiracy.” This was a three-year investigation carried out carried out by the US Government. Those loony conspiracy nuts.

If the BBC and JREF are trying to convince the general public to believe something different, they have a great deal of work to do, given that some forty years later 7 in 10 stark raving mad kooks believe the assassination was the result of a nefarious plot, not the act of a lone killer.

Another reader comment on the BBC piece injects some common sense into an otherwise blithering mess of an article:

Some conspiracy theorists are plain nuts, but the ability and right to question what is commonly taught is extremely important. To assert that all conspiracy theories are bunk is the same as saying “believe what you are told”. Surely this is dangerous thinking?

The BBC cannot resist attacking anyone who questions the establishment line and counters mainstream accounts of events, especially if they make up part of the new and exciting alternative media that is contributing to the corporation’s ongoing fossilization.

That is why in a feature article today, the corporation is promoting a group of “scientists and skeptics” whose declared mission is to vigorously debunk those who are questioning the “accepted versions” of events.

“While many people find them harmless fun, others believe there is a darker truth – that conspiracy theories are rewriting history, warping the present and altering the future. Enough is enough they say – it’s time to fight back.” the report reads.

The article centres around the “non profit” James Randi Educational Foundation (JREF), which charges £175 a ticket to its conferences, events that equate to little more than rabid debunking fests on everything from 9/11 truth to research claiming mercury containing vaccinations are harmful.

In a deliberate Orwellian warping of language, JREF attendees are described as “skeptics” who are promoting critical thinking”:

“…scientists, writers and comedians target conspiracy theories – and their close cousins pseudoscience and medical quackery – in front of an audience loosely allied by their desire for more rational, critical thinking.” the report states.

“…some delegates prefer to call themselves rationalists, free thinkers or Brights. Out there in the audience is the next generation of bloggers and media professionals,” [JREF president Dr Phil] Plait says.

In what plain of reality is it considered “free thinking” to debunk and shut down alternative theories and questions in favour of a recieved reality?

Luminaries and speakers at the recent conference in London, titled The Amazing Meeting (TAM), included Glenn Hill, the son of someone who claimed to have taken pictures of fairies at the bottom of their garden, but later admitted it was a hoax.

The BBC report on JREF brazenly lumps in questions over the 9/11 attacks with moon landing conspiracies and individuals who claim to have paranormal spoon-bending powers.

It highlights the fact that those who have questioned and challenged the findings of the 9/11 commission have had a “massive impact”, however, the tone of the piece suggests this is thoroughly negative and even dangerous...."

http://www.prisonplanet.com/bbc-attack-pie...-debunkers.html

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Interested JREF debunkers, to get themselves warmed up for further discussion, may also want to read:

Familiar Faces in Dealey Plaza,

the JFK Timeline (a work in progress, like its distant relative, the 9/11 Timeline at History Commons),

Don Roberdeau's Dealey Plaza Map, or

George Michael Evica's research ...

which provides a powerful argument that the lone gunman named in the case almost instantly, like the hijackers on 9/11, never actually possessed the Mannlicher-Carcano.

[Thirty extra bonuses points if you can tell me who Evica names as the individual (former FBI agent, Yale Law School grad, and lobbyist for a Guatemalan dictator) involved in having one one mailed to him.]
Magmak1
"Whackjob Conspiracy Theorists Kill and Maim Millions…
And not a peep out of the MSM"

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Each and every day adherents of one of the most preposterous conspiracy theories ever devised bomb, assassinate, unhouse and torture innocent men, women and children across the globe. They do so not merely without stay or reproach from the world’s most powerful governments and media, but with their unqualified support and encouragement. So who are these tinfoilhat-wearing mass murderers and why are they so thoroughly exempted from the normal rules of civilised life?

The answer is that the men and women who undertake the bestial policies sketched so briefly above bear the uniform of their countries, or operate in the burgeoning imperial legions of plainclothes spooks and contract thugs; and because they cleave to the Official Conspiracy Theory of 9/11.

For it really has nothing to do, and never has, with a belief in conspiracy theory per se. This way of viewing the world is a human constant, & always will be, not least because it powerfully accords with our experience. No, what delineates conspiratorial acceptability is infinitely cruder – Power. Embrace the establishment’s approved conspiracy of the moment, and all things are possible, from Ford Foundation grants - to mass murder.

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tazvil04
magmak1....

I greatly respect your efforts here...but when you distract from the discussion by criticizing my reply style that really takes away from the dialogue.

I have been responding like this for some time now...you post in multiple colors and multiple fonts--- etc. so any statement that I am trying to confuse issues or effect some insidious plot by not responding in a different font to me is with all due respect...childish...

I have limited time to devote to this discussion, but it is something that I was willing to do...because I was enjoying the dialogue...

If you want to adopt Graham's conspiracy attitude toward me -- and his respective tone...fine...but I can tell you that while you and your truther allies may gloat and high five each other ...this is unlikely to move us to find common ground...

So, why don't we stop with the little digs -- and the poor efforts to psychonanalyze each others motives and just discuss the issues at hand... cool.gif

And I thought we were having this dialogue on my thread...so why start another thread...

Are you playing hide and seek with your olly reference... thud.gif
Magmak1
Guest Post: The Treasury Department Endorses Lying To The Public

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 10/06/2009 14:39 -0500



Submitted by Damien Hoffman of Wall St. Cheat Sheet"

http://wallstcheatsheet.com/breaking-news/...public/?p=2412/

If you or anyone you know still believes the government (or the media) tell us only the truth, please pass them this direct admission that lying is a primary strategic device for so-called “authority figures”:

[T]he Treasury Department said that any review of [patently misleading and false] announcements last year “must be considered in light of the unprecedented circumstances in which they were made.

Translation: when our elected representatives and their appointed officials believe we need to be manipulated, they rationalize their lies based on whether they think we need them at the time.

I am not naive. I firmly believe we have a problem with ignorance and sheeple in our country. However, the only way to fix the problem is to distribute more accurate information — not the opposite. Further, for those of us who work hard to stay educated, we expect to be treated like adults!

In this specific case, the Treasury Department’s lies (via Hank Paulson) encouraged people to hold their investments. Therefore, if you listened to Paulson et al, you literally lost your hard earned money and life savings. Last time I checked, citizens should not expect to get fiscally hosed by their Treasury Secretary.

To be fair, this is not only a Wall Street and Washington problem. Seemingly, most public discourse these days centers around complete lies, myths, and other rhetorical strategies aiming to put insular interests ahead of what’s best for the nation. It’s time to demand at least our public stewards accurately explain the true state of affairs so we can make informed decisions.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-pos...es-lying-public
Magmak1
No doubt some are familiar, in general or in specific, with the “arguments” found here: http://www.counterpunch.org/physic11282006.html “ .. that the top 30 stories of WTC2 which began to tip over (rotate) and then suddenly stopped and disintegrated...merely shattered due to natural "elastic waves rippling," like on...a pond.”


Quote:
All these wave effects occur in the upper block as well, from the moment of first impact. The upper block will quickly fill with elastic waves, which will rupture internal joints; the block shatters, as is vividly seen in the video recordings of the WTC collapses. The shorter length of the upper block, and its lack of firm connection (like a foundation), will contribute to the speed of its disintegration. In a very real sense the upper block was "blown up," but naturally by elastic waves rippling a destructive compression through it rather than artificially by intentional controlled demolition.


[The author, one Manuel Garcia Jr., was employed more recently to explain the disappearance of Air France flight 447:
http://www.counterpunch.org/garcia06032009.html ]



But, as someone else has so simply put it, “Either you admit Newton's Conservation of Momentum law of physics applies to NYC or you don't.”

How could the steel frame of many stories above the impact zone have broken up even before it started to fall?

“… the top has stopped rotating. But unless the top had already been shattered, it should have continued to rotate in accordance with the law of conservation of angular momentum.”

“… the top 30 stories of WTC2 should've kept rotating and fallen into the street like King Kong off the Empire State Building. It didn't.”


A U.S. government psy-ops think tank called The Institute of World Politics has geniuses like J. Michael Waller advising that an immediate response to everyone hating Uncle Sam is black propaganda (lies) and *ridicule* of the opposition….

The faculty for the Institute for World Politics is listed here: http://www.iwp.edu/faculty/default.asp

Here's Waller's paper based on his book of the same title, 'Fighting the War of Ideas Like a Real War,' wherein he points out that the Pentagon is not restrained from using black propaganda (lies) on the American people by the 1948 Smith-Mundt Act, just the State Department is. So he advises the Pentagon's psy-ops special forces to start dropping mind bombs immediately, especially *RIDICULE.*

The magazine of the U.S. Naval Institute says that Fighting the War of Ideas like a Real War “clearly demonstrates that the new thrust in the war of ideas does not have to originate in U.S. government releases. . . By focusing primarily on the offensive aspects of strategic communication, the author has made a worthwhile contribution to what must be a key component of U.S. strategy in the terrorism war. For those who find themselves in a position to affect U.S. communications efforts, or to influence our image among allies and adversaries, this book should be placed at the top of their must-read list.”


The Waller paper can be found here:
http://ics.leeds.ac.uk/papers/vp01.cfm?out...&paper=2843

The downloadable “Fighting the War of Ideas like a Real War” by Michael Waller is here:

http://ics.leeds.ac.uk/papers/pmt/exhibits...deas_Waller.pdf



Armed Forces Journal editor Karen Walker says ". . . this guide offers ways that could discredit, divide and ultimately squelch the enemy into a blob of irrelevance. . . ."

http://www.iwp.edu/news/bookID.49/book_detail.asp


Magmak1
It has been stated that nowhere is there actually an "official story" in the sense that there is a coherent collection of postulates, evidence, etc. that pre-dates what was "established" by the 9/11 Commission, which took well over a year to even begin its work, let alone conclude it.

Here is someone's "version" of the Official Story:

"The Official Version of 9/11 goes something like this...

Directed by a beardy-guy from a cave in Afghanistan, nineteen hard-drinking, coke-snorting, devout Muslims enjoy lap dances before their mission to meet Allah...

Using nothing more than craft knifes, they overpower cabin crew, passengers and pilots on four planes...

And hangover or not, they manage to give the world's most sophisticated air defense system the slip...

Unphased by leaving their “How to Fly a Passenger Jet” guide in the car at the airport, they master the controls in no-time and score direct hits on two towers, causing THREE to collapse completely...

Our masterminds even manage to overpower the odd law of physics or two... and the world watches in awe as steel-framed buildings fall symmetrically - through their own mass - at free-fall speed, for the first time in history.

Despite all their dastardly cunning, they stupidly give their identity away by using explosion-proof passports, which survive the fireball undamaged and fall to the ground... only to be discovered by the incredible crime-fighting sleuths at the FBI...

…Meanwhile down in Washington...

Hani Hanjour, having previously flunked 2-man Cessna flying school, gets carried away with all the success of the day and suddenly finds incredible abilities behind the controls of a Boeing...

Instead of flying straight down into the large roof area of the Pentagon, he decides to show off a little...

Executing an incredible 270 degree downward spiral, he levels off to hit the low facade of the world's most heavily defended building...

...all without a single shot being fired.... or ruining the nicely mowed lawn... and all at a speed just too fast to capture on video...

...Later, in the skies above Pennsylvania...

So desperate to talk to loved ones before their death, some passengers use sheer willpower to connect mobile calls that otherwise would not be possible until several years later...

And following a heroic attempt by some to retake control of Flight 93, it crashes into a Shankesville field leaving no trace of engines, fuselage or occupants... except for the standard issue Muslim terrorists bandana...

...Further south in Florida...

President Bush, our brave Commander-in-Chief continues to read “My Pet Goat” to a class full of primary school children... shrugging off the obvious possibility that his life could be in imminent danger...

...In New York...

World Trade Center leaseholder Larry Silverstein blesses his own foresight in insuring the buildings against terrorist attack only six weeks previously...

While back in Washington, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz shake their heads in disbelief at their own luck in getting the 'New Pearl Harbor' catalyzing event they so desired to pursue their agenda of world domination...

And finally, not to be disturbed too much by reports of their own deaths, at least seven of our nineteen suicide hijackers turn up alive and kicking in mainstream media reports..."

There are those who ask that others put forth in specific detail what they think happened.

Everyone can play word games. ("Alex, I'll take Foreknowledge for $800...")

Where is "the official story"?

Put up a statement, any statement, of what is alleged by the government to have transpired.

Put up a statement, any statement, of what is alleged by any debunker to have transpired.


Then we or someone can examine it point-for-point to determine validity.

Construct a concept map, a taxonomy, a PERT chart, a GANNT chart, a map, or write a book.

(The one's that have been written, with footnotes and bibliographies, are under attack. Everyone wants to pick on David Ray Scott, but perhaps because he is the visible leading edge of the point of the spear. Let's include Peter Dale Scott, the History Commons, all those folks whose names are on the lists of those who want better or more through investigation.)
Magmak1
9/11, Urban Moving Systems and “The B Thing”

http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/sh...read.php?t=2403



It wasn’t Muslims ...

From http://www.takeourworldback.com/itwasntmuslims.htm


tazvil04
QUOTE(tazvil04 @ Oct 7 2009, 02:43 PM) *
magmak1....

I greatly respect your efforts here...but when you distract from the discussion by criticizing my reply style that really takes away from the dialogue.

I have been responding like this for some time now...you post in multiple colors and multiple fonts--- etc. so any statement that I am trying to confuse issues or effect some insidious plot by not responding in a different font to me is with all due respect...childish...

I have limited time to devote to this discussion, but it is something that I was willing to do...because I was enjoying the dialogue...

If you want to adopt Graham's conspiracy attitude toward me -- and his respective tone...fine...but I can tell you that while you and your truther allies may gloat and high five each other ...this is unlikely to move us to find common ground...

So, why don't we stop with the little digs -- and the poor efforts to psychonanalyze each others motives and just discuss the issues at hand... cool.gif

And I thought we were having this dialogue on my thread...so why start another thread...

Are you playing hide and seek with your olly reference... thud.gif


Ah, but then maybe you do not care about that....

Well, I hope your redoubled 9/11 truth efforts are paying dividends...they certainly have for me...I am more committed than ever to believing the official story...

Cheers, mate. biggrin.gif

Magmak1
The CIA and the mass importation of Muslim patsies & proxies

Michael Springmann worked for the US government for 20 years with the foreign service and consulate. He went public years ago with the story of his involvement in a large scale CIA operation that brought hundreds of people from the middle east to the US, issued them passports and trained them to be terrorists. Springmann says that the CIA is working closely with Bin Laden and his operatives in Jeddah and has been since 1987. The most haunting implication from this interview is that all of the terrorist acts of late were planned and paid for by the CIA with US taxpayers money so that the US could legitimately bomb the hell out of Afghanistan--not to "get the Taliban" as the official party line states, but to erase all of the evidence of the US's secret operations in Afghanistan left over from its 10 year war with the Soviet Union in that country.

Based on the new information from Mr. Springmann, it is likely that most of those 600+ people who were "rounded up" within days of the September 11 attacks were actually in the US because the CIA brought them there. It lends credence to the idea that the CIA was also behind the anthrax letters and that is why there was weapons -grade anthrax and why the perpetrator will never be caught.



Hear the interview here:

http://web.archive.org/web/200301010...6_springman.rm

Download it from here:
http://www.apfn.org/audio/020116_springman.rm (right click "save as",.)

Springman also appears in a nine minute documentary for BBC's premier current affairs program, Newsnight: Greg Palast's "The CIA and Saudi Arabia: The Bushes and the Bin Ladens". Go here to view the documentary on RealPlayer. Or here to see the transcript.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/cta/pr...t/attack22.ram

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_cia.htm




Found at http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=475
Magmak1
Since I started this thread back on 10/3, Tazvil04 continues to ask me questions or making references to our prior interaction in other threads, thinking I will respond. I will not, in that thread, or anywhere else.

Here is the explanation why:

He failed to understand what was said by me in depth at the end of post #1 above.

He also apparently has forgotten that he sent me a private message here at CGCS years ago, which I still retain, which in theory identified who he was (an e-mail with a verifiable name and address inside a verfiable organization at which there is verifiable confirmatory information), an "identity" for which (for reasons only he can understand and explain) he refuses to acknowledge. I have been asked not to disclose that identity by others; I will honor that request.

I am attempting to avoid a "deja vu" here in terms of harm to the CGCS community.

He can post what he feels he ought to post, and the rest of the readers can evaluate it for what it is worth. I will do the same.

But there will be no further interaction or debate between us....
Magmak1
Q&A w/ Griffin On WTC-7.

http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/55470

One listener said "... really puts the last nails in the coffin of the official version".

Magmak1
Top 10 Connections Between NIST and Nanothermite

Top 10 Connections Between NIST and Nanothermite
by Kevin R. Ryan
Original paper available here (PDF): http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/..._and_Nano-1.pdf

Other links at original link at bottom of this post.

Note: for better readability, we have removed important references to this online version of the paper. The original published version contains several pages of references.

“Was the steel tested for explosives or thermite residues? … NIST did not test for the residue of these compounds in the steel.”
NIST Responses to FAQs, August 2006

The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) has had considerable difficulty determining a politically correct sequence of events for the unprecedented destruction of three World Trade Center (WTC) buildings on 9/11. But despite a number of variations in NIST’s story, it never considered explosives or pyrotechnic materials in any of its hypotheses. This omission is at odds with several other striking facts; first, the requirement of the national standard for fire investigation (NFPA 921), which calls for testing related to thermite and other pyrotechnics, and second, the extensive experience NIST investigators have with explosive and thermite materials.

One of the most intriguing aspects of NIST’s diversionary posture has been their total lack of interest in explosive or pyrotechnic features in their explanations. Despite the substantial evidence for the use of explosives at the WTC, and the extensive expertise in explosives among NIST investigators, explosives were never considered in the NIST WTC investigation. Only after considerable criticism of this fact did NIST deign to add one small disclaimer to their final report on the towers, suggesting they found no evidence for explosives.

The extensive evidence that explosives were used at the WTC includes witness testimony, overwhelming physical evidence and simple common sense. There is also substantial evidence that aluminothermic (thermite) materials were present at the WTC, and the presence of such materials can explain the existence of intense fire where it would not otherwise have existed. Additionally, despite agreement from all parties that the assumed availability of fuel allowed for the fires in any given location of each of the WTC buildings to last only twenty minutes, the fires lasted much longer and produced extreme temperatures.

These inexplicable fires are a reminder that the WTC buildings were not simply demolished, but were demolished in a deceptive way. That is, the buildings were brought down so as to make it look like the impact of the planes and the resulting fires might have caused their unprecedented, symmetrical destruction. Therefore, shaped charges and other typical explosive configurations were likely used, but there was more to it than that. Those committing the crimes needed to create fire where it would not have existed otherwise, and draw attention toward the part of the buildings where the planes impacted.

This was most probably accomplished through the use of nanothermite, which are hightech energetic materials made by mixing ultra fine grain (UFG) aluminum and UFG metal oxides; usually iron oxide, molybdenum oxide or copper oxide, although other compounds can be used. The mixing is accomplished by adding these reactants to a liquid solution where they form what are called “sols”, and then adding a gelling agent that captures these tiny reactive combinations in their intimately mixed state. The resulting “sol-gel” is then dried to form a porous reactive material that can be ignited in a number of ways.

The high surface area of the reactants within energetic sol-gels allows for the far higher rate of energy release than is seen in “macro” thermite mixtures, making nanothermite
“high explosives” as well as pyrotechnic materials. Sol-gel nanothermites, are often called energetic nanocomposites, metastable intermolecular composites (MICs) or superthermite, and silica is often used to create the porous, structural framework. Nano-thermites have also been made with RDX, and with thermoplastic elastomers. But it is important to remember that, despite the name, nanothermite pack a much bigger punch than typical thermite materials.

It turns out that explosive, sol-gel nanothermites were developed by US government scientists, at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories (LLNL). These LLNL scientists reported that –

“The sol-gel process is very amenable to dip-, spin-, and spray-coating technologies to coat surfaces. We have utilized this property to dip-coat various substrates to make sol-gel Fe,O,/ Al / Viton coatings. The energetic coating dries to give a nice adherent film. Preliminary experiments indicate that films of the hybrid material are self-propagating when ignited by thermal stimulus”

The amazing correlation between floors of impact and floors of apparent failure suggests that spray-on nano-thermite materials may have been applied to the steel components of the WTC buildings, underneath the upgraded fireproofing. This could have been done in such a way that very few people knew what was happening. The Port Authority’s engineering consultant Buro Happold, helping with evaluation of the fireproofing upgrades, suggested the use of “alternative materials” (NIST 2005). Such alternative materials could have been spray-on nanothermites substituted for intumescent paint or Interchar-like fireproofing primers (NASA 2006). It seems quite possible that this kind of substitution could have been made with few people noticing.

Regardless of how thermite materials were installed in the WTC, it is strange that NIST has been so blind to any such possibility. In fact, when reading NIST’s reports on the WTC, and its periodic responses to FAQs from the public, one might get the idea that no one in the NIST organization had ever heard of nano-thermites before. But the truth is, many of the scientists and organizations involved in the NIST WTC investigation were not only well aware of nano-thermites, they actually had considerable connection to, and in some cases expertise in, this exact technology.

Here are the top 10 reasons why nanothermite, should have come to mind quickly for the NIST WTC investigators.

Connection 1

NIST was working with LLNL to test and characterize these sol-gel nanothermites, at least as early as 1999.

Connection 2

Forman Williams, the lead engineer on NIST’s advisory committee, and the most prominent engineering expert for Popular Mechanics, is an expert on the deflagration of energetic materials and the “ignition of porous energetic materials”. Nanothermites are porous energetic materials. Additionally, Williams’ research partner, Stephen Margolis, has presented at conferences where nano-energetics are the focus. Some of Williams’ other colleagues at the University of California San Diego, like David J. Benson, are also experts on nanothermite materials.

Connection 3

Science Applications International (SAIC) is the DOD and Homeland Security contractor that supplied the largest contingent of non-governmental investigators to the NIST WTC investigation. SAIC has extensive links to nano-thermites, developing and judging nanothermite research proposals for the military and other military contractors, and developing and formulating nanothermites directly. SAIC’s subsidiary Applied Ordnance Technology has done research on the ignition of nanothermites with lasers.

In an interesting coincidence, SAIC was the firm that investigated the 1993 WTC bombing, boasting that — “After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, our blast analyses produced tangible results that helped identify those responsible (SAIC 2004).” And the coincidences with this company don’t stop there, as SAIC was responsible for evaluating the WTC for terrorism risks in 1986 as well. SAIC is also linked to the late 1990s security upgrades at the WTC, the Rudy Giuliani administration, and the anthrax incidents after 9/11, through former employees Jerome Hauer and Steven Hatfill.

Connection 4

Arden Bement, the metallurgist and expert on fuels and materials who was nominated as director of NIST by President George W. Bush in October 2001, was former deputy secretary of defense, former director of DARPA’s office of materials science, and former executive at TRW.

Of course, DOD and DARPA are both leaders in the production and use of nanothermites. And military and aerospace contractor TRW has had a long collaboration with NASA laboratories in the development of energetic materials that are components of advanced propellants, like nano-gelled explosive materials (NASA 2001). TRW Aeronautics also made fireproof composites and high performance elastomer formulations, and worked with NASA to make energetic aerogels.

Additionally, Bement was a professor at Purdue and MIT. Purdue has a thriving program for nanothermite. And interestingly, at MIT’s Institute for Soldier Nanotechnology, we find Martin Z. Bazant, son of notable “conspiracy debunker” Zdenek P. Bazant, who does research on granular flows, and the electrochemical interactions of silicon. Zdenek P. Bazant is interested in nanocomposites as well, and how they relate to naval warfare. MIT was represented at nano-energetics conferences as early as 1998.

Bement was also a director at both Battelle and the Lord Corporation. Battelle (where the anthrax was made) is an organization of “experts in fundamental technologies from the five National Laboratories we manage or co-manage for the US DOE.” Battelle advertises their specialization in nanocomposite coatings. The Lord Corporation also makes high-tech coatings for military applications. In 1999, Lord Corp was working with the Army and NASA on “advanced polymer composites, advanced metals, and multifunctional materials”.

Connection 5

Hratch Semerjian, long-time director of NIST’s chemical division, was promoted to acting director of NIST in November 2004, and took over the WTC investigation until the completion of the report on the towers. Semerjian is closely linked to former NIST employee Michael Zachariah, perhaps the world’s most prominent expert on nanothermite. In fact, Semerjian and Zachariah co-authored ten papers that focus on nano-particles made of silica, ceramics and refractory particles. Zachariah was a major player in the Defense University Research Initiative on Nanotechnology (DURINT), a groundbreaking research effort for nanothermite.

Connection 6

NIST has a long-standing partnership with NASA for the development of new nanothermite and other nano-technological materials. In fact, Michael Zachariah coordinates this partnership.

Connection 7

In 2003, two years before the NIST WTC report was issued, the University of Maryland College Park (UMCP) and NIST signed a memorandum of understanding to develop nano-technologies like nanothermite.

Together, NIST and UMCP have done much work on nanothermites.

Connection 8

NIST has their own Center for Nanoscale Science and Technology (CNST). Additionally, NIST’s Reactive Flows Group did research on nanostructured materials and high temperature reactions in the mid-nineties.

Connection 9

Richard Gann, who did the final editing of the NIST WTC report, managed a project called “Next-Generation Fire Suppression Technology Program”, both before and after 9/11. Andrzej Miziolek, another of the world’s leading experts on nanothermite, is the author of “Defense Applications of Nanomaterials”, and also worked on Richard Gann’s fire suppression project.

Gann’s project was sponsored by DOD’s Strategic Environmental Research and Development Program (SERDP), an organization that sponsored a number of LLNL’s nano-thermite projects.

Connection 10

As part of the Federal Laboratory Consortium for Technology Transfer, NIST partners with the Naval Surface Warfare Center at Indian Head (NSWC-IH) on Chemical Science and Technology. NSWC-IH is probably the most prominent US center for nanothermite technology. In 1999, Jan Puszynski, a scientist working for the DURINT program, helped NSWC-IH design a pilot plant to produce nano-size aluminum powder. It was reported that “At that time, this was [the] only reliable source of aluminum nanopowders in the United States”, however, private companies like Argonide and Technanogy were also known to have such capabilities.

Among an interesting group of contractors that NSWC-IH hired in 1999 were SAIC, Applied Ordnance, Battelle, Booz Allen Hamilton, Mantech, Titan, Pacific Scientific Energetic (see below), and R Stresau Laboratories for “demolition materials”.

A tragic coincidence left William Caswell, an employee of NSWC-IH, dead on the plane said to have hit the Pentagon (Flight 77). He had for many years worked on “deep-black” projects at NSWC-IH.

The presence of Pacific Scientific Energetics (PSE) in this list of 1999 NSWC-IH contractors is interesting because PSE was the parent company of Special Devices, Inc (SDI). SDI specializes in explosives for defense, aerospace and mining applications, and was acquired in 1998 by John Lehman, 9/11 Commissioner, member of the Project for a New American Century, and former Secretary of the Navy. Lehman divested in 2001.

With this in mind, it is worthwhile to reiterate that nanothermite materials were very likely used in the deceptive demolition of the WTC buildings, but most certainly played only a part in the plan. However, other high-tech explosives were available to those who had access to nanothermite materials at the time. Like SDI, several other organizations with links to military, space and intelligence programs (e.g. In-Q-Tel, Orbital Science) have access to many types of high-tech explosives to cut high-strength bolts and produce pyrotechnic events. These organizations also have connections to those who could have accessed the buildings, like WTC tenant Marsh & McLennan and former NASA administrator and Securacom director, James Abrahamson.

In any case, it is important for those seeking the truth about 9/11 to consider what organizations and people had access to the technologies that were used to accomplish the deceptive demolition of the WTC buildings. It is also important to recognize the links between those who had access to the technologies, those who had access to the buildings, and those who produced the clearly false official reports.

To that end we should note that NIST had considerable connections to nanothermite, both before and during the WTC investigation. It is therefore inexplicable why NIST did not consider such materials as an explanation for the fires that burned on 9/11, and long afterward at Ground Zero. This fact would not be inexplicable, of course, if those managing the NIST investigation knew to not look, or test, for such materials.

This is the end of the online version of the paper. See the original published version which contains several pages of references. The below info is not part of the paper.
Did NIST Look For Explosives?

by Richard Gage (AIA), Gregg Roberts, & David Chandler
From the article Explosives and Thermitic Material Brought Down Buildings on 9/11

No. NIST did not look for physical evidence of explosives. In fact NIST did not look at the physical evidence at all, apart from a few selected samples of the steel. The rest was destroyed. However, physical evidence did remain: the dust. NIST did not look at the dust, but independent investigators did. They discovered, along with the microspheres, tiny red-grey chips. They examined samples of WTC dust from different parts of Manhattan. All contained the red-gray chips. They found that the red layer consisted of unignited nano-thermite. Ordinary thermite is an incendiary: it can burn through heavy steel in seconds. The tiny particles in nano-thermite (1/1000 the thickness of a human hair) causes a much faster reaction so it can be used as a high explosive. The discovery of nano-thermite in the WTC dust was published in The Open Chemical Physics Journal in April 2009.
The NIST Joke

NIST spokesperson Michael E. Neuman was challenged by Hartford Advocate reporter Jennifer Abel on this glaring omission in the WTC report…

ABEL: … what about that letter where NIST said it didn’t look for evidence of explosives?

NEUMAN: Right, because there was no evidence of that.

ABEL: But how can you know there’s no evidence if you don’t look for it first?

NEUMAN: If you’re looking for something that isn’t there, you’re wasting your time….

Wow. That’s a good one Neuman…

The Earth would still be flat if we followed that circular NIST logic.

Or maybe… did they know exactly what not to look for?
A New Investigation Now

Based on the verifiable allegations that NIST most probably has close ties with nanothermite and that they clearly never officially looked for traces of explosives, and based on the fact that unignited chips of nanothermite were found in large quantities in the WTC dust by independent scientists, we can clearly see one of the most important conflict of interest of our century.

This alone should be enough for the Department of Justice to call for a new independent investigation with subpoena powers. If they don’t understand that, we suggest they change their name to the Department of Injustice and Cover-ups.


http://world911truth.org/top-10-connection...d-nanothermite/
Magmak1
Cogitations from the Home Front
Stewart Ogilby,
Editor of BigEye.com & NewsWatch.org

October 25, 2009

Why 911 Truth Matters

Human antipathy to murder is hard-wired.

Consider murder mystery novels, TV forensic dramas, sensational news stories, and political murder (assassination). Discovering and prosecuting the guilty, "bringing them to justice" is the goal. Exploring and analyzing antecedents and psychopathology may be undertaken by a few, typically writers and intellectuals. When noticed at all by the public, such critics tend to be summarily marginalized as apologists.

Combined with this antipathy, murder satisfies the human animal's instinctive "blood lust", the desire for revenge, scape-goating, and means to legitimize murder itself (for example, war patriotism). The curse of Cain, Freud's bestial Id, the Oedipal complex, the survival instinct, all of these touch upon a need to escape mundane existence.

Survival mechanisms, developed in homo sapiens over evolutionary millennia, are frustrated by civilization. The theme of murder and its tribal taboo provide highly useful sublimations. The very phrase, "murder will out" has persisted in our literature since its Chaucerian 14th Century inception.

Thousands of men and women were murdered on September 11, 2001. The adjective, "innocent", significantly added, results in "innocent men and women". This serves to convey and reinforce a message that, unlike the eagerly anticipated fate of the guilty murderer, their demise was undeserved. Justice and revenge become inseparable in capital punishment.

When times are financially tough and government fails to provide goodies, citizens in a democracy simply fall prey to new demagogues who repeat the invocation to "good" government. This pendulum swings back and forth as politicians pander to their constituents, lie, promise, and behave expediently, sacrificing long-term solutions for short-term personal benefit. Mencken sarcastically found this spectacle "incomparably amusing" although his sadness was palpable.

At least four-fifths of humanity lacks both interest and ability with abstractions and, therefore, has very little grasp of political philosophy and economic theory. Consequently, most citizens are reluctant to propose systemic changes. However, what they can grasp easily, emotionally, and with vicarious enjoyment, is cold-blooded murder. The terrible video images of human beings falling to their deaths from upper floors of the World Trade Center buildings can never be erased mentally.

Persons, having been conditioned to look toward government for material benevolence, will never grasp the chimerical nature of good government. However, as the banker-run U.S. government fails to maintain minimal economic stability and is also shockingly discovered to be the real 911 murderer, Americans will demand that the government be systemically replaced.

As new government is inevitably created we may work for term-limits, criminalization of bribery (lobbying), elimination of private monetary control (federal reserve system), restoration of civil rights (Amendments 1-10), decentralization of authority (Amendment 10), repeal of the abusive personal income tax, and separation of political and commercial control of the public's mainline media (TV and newspapers).

The truth of 911 is the catalyst to re-launch on our continent Jefferson's currently failing experiment in self-government.

http://bigeye.com/why911truthmatters.htm
Magmak1
Did Training Exercises Prevent Andrews Air Force Base
From Responding to the 9/11 Attacks?


Why did airplanes fly around for an hour and a half without interceptors being
scrambled from Andrews [Air Force Base] ... right next to the capital?

- Paul Hellyer, Canadian minister of national defense, 1963-1967



Many aircraft at a military base just outside Washington, DC, were taking part in training exercises around the time the terrorist attacks occurred on September 11, 2001, it has been revealed. But whether these exercises impaired the ability of the various units at the base to effectively respond to the attacks has never been properly investigated.

On September 11, FAA air traffic controller James Ampey was on duty in the control tower at Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland, near the District of Columbia border. He later told the 9/11 Commission that there was "an unusually high number of aircraft taking off and landing at Andrews that morning, because previously scheduled military exercises were under way." Ampey apparently did not tell the Commission what specific exercises these were, or the time period during which the aircraft were "taking off and landing" at the base. [1] However, other publicly available information offers minor clues about these exercises.

'GLOBAL GUARDIAN' EXERCISE
Journalist and author Dan Verton has described that, around the time of the Pentagon attack on 9/11 (9:37 a.m.), "civilian and military officials were boarding a militarized version of a Boeing 747, known as the E-4B National Airborne Operations Center (NAOC), at an airfield outside of the nation's capital. They were preparing to conduct a previously scheduled Defense Department exercise." [2] The airfield Verton referred to could well have been Andrews Air Force Base, as this is located only 10 miles from Washington. [3] Indeed, according to Miles Kara, who was a professional staff member of the 9/11 Commission, primary source information reveals that an E-4B took off from Andrews that morning, and was airborne at 9:27 a.m. [4] The exercise Verton referred to was likely "Global Guardian," which was "in full swing" when the attacks began, and for which three E-4Bs were launched. Global Guardian was an annual exercise run by the U.S. Strategic Command, to test its ability to fight a nuclear war. [5] Whether other aircraft taking off or landing at Andrews were also participating in Global Guardian is unknown.

NORAD EXERCISE ON 9/11
Another major exercise taking place on September 11 was "Vigilant Guardian." It seems less likely, however, that aircraft at Andrews would have participated in this.

The annual Vigilant Guardian exercise was being conducted by the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), including its Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS). [6] Vigilant Guardian has been described as "an air defense exercise simulating an attack on the United States," and was scheduled to include a simulated hijacking during the morning of September 11. [7] However, the DC Air National Guard (DCANG), which is based at Andrews, was not part of the NORAD air defense force. [8] Furthermore, members of the DCANG had just returned from a major training exercise in Nevada. With only a few pilots available, 9/11 was reportedly a "light flying day" for the unit, which would indicate that it would not have participated in Vigilant Guardian or any other major exercises that morning. [9] And since Andrews was not one of NORAD's seven "alert" sites around the U.S., it seems unlikely that any of the other military organizations there would have been involved in a NORAD exercise. [10]

NUMEROUS ORGANIZATIONS AT ANDREWS
While only limited information is available indicating what exercises the planes at Andrews were involved in, we know that numerous military organizations are located at the base, in addition to the DCANG, some of which may have had air defense capabilities. And some of them could well have been participating in the exercises Ampey referred to.

Among more than 60 separate organizations located at Andrews Air Force Base are units from the Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force Reserve, and Air National Guard. [11] These include Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 321, which flies the F/A-18 Hornet fighter jet, and Naval Air Facility, Washington, DC, which has numerous aircraft available, including the F/A-18 Hornet. [12] Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 321 at least appears to have had air defense capabilities that may have been able to provide protection against the attacks on September 11: At around 9:50 a.m. that morning, one of its officers called a friend who worked at NEADS, and said: "Dude, get us in the war. I've got wrench turners on our planes uploading weapons. What can we do?" [13]

Another unit at Andrews was the 1st Helicopter Squadron. Its primary mission was "to support [Department of Defense] contingency plans for transport of key government officials should a national emergency arise." It had around 200 members of staff, and possessed 19 twin-engine UH-1N "Huey" helicopters. Many of these helicopters reportedly flew throughout the day of September 11. [14] Whether the 1st Helicopter Squadron was involved in the training exercises that morning is unknown.

DID EXERCISES AFFECT THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE?
It is essential to investigate whether the training exercises impaired the organizations at Andrews in their ability to respond to the 9/11 attacks. Were any of them delayed or otherwise hindered as a result of their participation in an exercise? Were assets, such as aircraft and personnel, which could otherwise have been utilized in the response to the attacks, unavailable because they were being used in an exercise? Were military and civilian air traffic controllers in the Washington area perhaps confused about flights in their region because of the exercises taking place?

In a news report published on the day of 9/11, Knight Ridder stated, "Air defense around Washington, DC, is provided mainly by fighter planes from Andrews Air Force Base." [15] Indeed, the DC Air National Guard is known as the "Capital Guardians." [16] According to a 9/11 Commission memorandum, "Many planes were scrambled out of Andrews" throughout the day of September 11. [17] And yet the first fighter jet to take off from there in response to the attacks was an unarmed DCANG F-16, which took off at 10:38 a.m., more than 30 minutes after the attacks had come to an end. [18] Might fighter jets have been able to respond earlier on, only the emergency responses of units at Andrews were somehow delayed by the training exercises?

AIR GUARD HINDERED BY TRAINING MISSION AND RECENT EXERCISE
As mentioned above, it seems unlikely that the DC Air National Guard would have been involved in a major training exercise on September 11. However, other circumstances seem to have significantly reduced its ability to respond to the attacks.

Three days earlier, on September 8, members of the DCANG returned from a major exercise in Nevada, called "Red Flag." Most of its fighter pilots, who flew commercial planes in their civilian lives and were involved with the unit on only a part-time basis, were consequently away, either back at their airline jobs or on leave, according to different accounts. The unit reportedly had just seven pilots available on 9/11. [19] At least three of these were inexperienced, junior pilots. [20] And of the seven pilots, three had taken off shortly before the first attack in New York occurred, for a routine training mission around 200 miles away from base, over North Carolina. They did not arrive back at Andrews until after the attacks had ended. [21]

While discussing the 9/11 attacks, in 2004, Paul Hellyer, a former Canadian minister of national defense, posed the question, "Why did airplanes fly around for an hour and a half without interceptors being scrambled from Andrews [Air Force Base] … right next to the capital?" He said: "With a quick-reaction alert they should have been in the air in five minutes or 10 minutes. If not, as a minister of national defense, which in the United States would be the secretary of defense, I would want to say, 'Why not?'" [22]

His questions are as pertinent today as they were five years ago.

NOTES
[1] "Memorandum for the Record: Visit to Reagan National Airport Control Tower in Alexandria, VA and Andrews Air Force Base Control Tower." 9/11 Commission, July 28, 2003.
[2] Dan Verton, Black Ice: The Invisible Threat of Cyber-Terrorism. Emeryville, CA: McGraw-Hill/Osborne, 2003, pp. 143-144.
[3] "Andrews AFB, Maryland." GlobalSecurity.org, March 3, 2002.
[4] Miles Kara, "9/11: The Mystery Plane; Not so Mysterious." 9/11 Revisited, June 30, 2009.
[5] Joe Dejka, "Inside StratCom on Sept. 11 Offutt Exercise Took Real-Life Twist." Omaha World-Herald, February 27, 2002; Joe Dejka, "When Bush Arrived, Offutt Sensed History in the Making." Omaha World-Herald, September 8, 2002.
[6] William B. Scott, "Exercise Jump-Starts Response to Attacks." Aviation Week & Space Technology, June 3, 2002; William M. Arkin, Code Names: Deciphering U.S. Military Plans, Programs, and Operations in the 9/11 World. Hanover, NH: Steerforth Press, 2005, p. 545.
[7] Leslie Filson, Air War Over America: Sept. 11 Alters Face of Air Defense Mission. Tyndall Air Force Base, FL: 1st Air Force, 2003, p. 122; Michael Bronner, "9/11 Live: The NORAD Tapes." Vanity Fair, August 2006.
[8] William B. Scott, "F-16 Pilots Considered Ramming Flight 93." Aviation Week & Space Technology, September 9, 2002; Leslie Filson, Air War Over America, p. 76.
[9] "Memorandum for the Record: Interview With Major David McNulty, Chief of Intelligence, 121st Fighter Squadron, Air National Guard, Andrews Air Force Base." 9/11 Commission, March 11, 2004.
[10] Pat McKenna, "FANGs Bared." Airman, December 1999.
[11] "Andrews Air Force Base: Welcome." DCMilitary.com, Summer 2001; "Andrews AFB, Maryland."
[12] "Andrews Air Force Base: Tenant Units." DCMilitary.com, February 9, 2001; "Andrews Air Force Base: Partner Units." DCMilitary.com, Summer 2001.
[13] Lynn Spencer, Touching History: The Untold Story of the Drama That Unfolded in the Skies Over America on 9/11. New York: Free Press, 2008, p. 188.
[14] "Capital Flying." Air Force Magazine, January 2001; "Andrews Air Force Base: Andrews Units." DCMilitary.com, Summer 2001; "Memorandum for the Record: Visit to Reagan National Airport Control Tower in Alexandria, VA and Andrews Air Force Base Control Tower."
[15] Steve Goldstein, "Focus of Training for Terrorist Attacks has Been Chemical, Biological Warfare." Knight Ridder, September 11, 2001.
[16] Steve Vogel, "Flights of Vigilance Over the Capital." Washington Post, April 8, 2002; William B. Scott, "F-16 Pilots Considered Ramming Flight 93."
[17] "Memorandum for the Record: Visit to Reagan National Airport Control Tower in Alexandria, VA and Andrews Air Force Base Control Tower."
[18] 9/11 Commission, The 9/11 Commission Report: Final Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (Authorized Edition). New York: W. W. Norton & Company, 2004, p. 44; Miles Kara, "Relevant Andrews Transmissions." 9/11 Commission, February 17-18, 2004; Steve Vogel, The Pentagon: A History. New York: Random House, 2007, p. 446.
[19] Steve Vogel, "Flights of Vigilance Over the Capital"; "Memorandum for the Record: Interview of Major Billy Hutchison, 113th Fighter Wing Air National Guard, Andrews Air Force Base." 9/11 Commission, February 27, 2004; "Memorandum for the Record: Interview With Major David McNulty"; Lynn Spencer, Touching History, p. 156.
[20] "Memorandum for the Record: Interview of Major Billy Hutchison"; Lynn Spencer, Touching History, pp. 236-237. These pilots were Eric Haagenson, Lou Campbell, and Heather Penney Garcia.
[21] "Memorandum for the Record: Visit to Reagan National Airport Control Tower in Alexandria, VA and Andrews Air Force Base Control Tower"; Miles Kara, "Relevant Andrews Transmissions"; "Memorandum for the Record: Interview With Major John Daniel Caine, USAF, Supervisor of Flying at 121st Squadron, 113th Wing, Andrews Air Force Base on September 11, 2001." 9/11 Commission, March 8, 2004.
[22] "Paul Hellyer, Former Defence Minister of Canada Questions the Lack of Fighter Response on 9/11 and Comments on the Shallowness of the 9/11 Investigation." Connect the Dots, May 27, 2004.

http://www.911blogger.com/node/21721
Magmak1
Automated Precision Satellite Guidance Of 9/11 Type Aircraft Largely Possible Just Before Attacks

- United Airlines Boeing Aircraft, Along With UPS And NASA 757s And 767s Utilized During Pre-9/11 GPS Tests

- Raytheon/FAA Controlled GPS Satellite Navigation Array Activated 13 Months Before 9/11 Attacks

- October, 2001 Pilot Override System Envisioned Use Of Satellite Auto-Navigation Concept And Communications Termination
Magmak1
Video about Max Cleland's statements about the political manipulations and stone-walling prior to
the formation of the 9/11 Commission
http://www.911blogger.com/node/21746
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EBzowgCCXk...player_embedded

Web site focused on efforts to get the British Parliament to examine the issues...
http://www.reinvestigate911.org/


which has this tidbit:

"Poul Rasmussen, Prime Minister of Denmark on September 11 2001, has told TV viewers he was personally tipped off that the first of the Twin Towers was going to collapse some ten minutes before the event. "

Magmak1
QUOTE(Magmak1 @ Nov 1 2009, 09:08 PM) *
Automated Precision Satellite Guidance Of 9/11 Type Aircraft Largely Possible Just Before Attacks

- United Airlines Boeing Aircraft, Along With UPS And NASA 757s And 767s Utilized During Pre-9/11 GPS Tests

- Raytheon/FAA Controlled GPS Satellite Navigation Array Activated 13 Months Before 9/11 Attacks

- October, 2001 Pilot Override System Envisioned Use Of Satellite Auto-Navigation Concept And Communications Termination



When I posted the above, apparently I had happened across something that was being posted at that very moment, as it lacked links and attributions. I went back, but the web site was down. I took one of the key phrases and ran it through Google, and then I discovered the original-and-now-completed post.

So here's what it looks like. Feel free to double-check and further research what has been found or said.

#1) There is a PowerPoint presentation which was found when I Googled the phrase "Automated Precision Satellite Guidance Of Aircraft"

[PPT]
GPS IN AVIATION AND THE TECHNICAL CHALLENGES OF USING GPS IN ...
File Format: Microsoft Powerpoint - View as HTML
-“designed to provide precision navigation guidance for exact alignment and descent of ... system that is meant to improve safety by providing precision guidance to aircraft for all ... positioned across the United States to collect GPS satellite data. .... Tactical Automated Landing System – currently the only ...
grothserver.princeton.edu/~groth/.../Pete_H_Presentation.ppt -

Download it, and click though the slides.


#2) A publication:

Title: Augmenting GPS for Aircraft Navigation and Approach Guidance
Authors: Drouilhet, P. R., Shaw, M. E., & Sandhoo, K. S.
Journal: International Cooperation in Satellite Communications, Proceedings of the AIAA/ESA Workshop held 27-29 March, 1995 at ESTEC, Noordwijk, the Netherlands. Edited by C. Mattok. ESA SP-372. European Space Agency, 1995., p.65
Bibliographic Code: 1995ESASP.372...65D
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1995ESASP.372...65D

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#3) A press release:


http://www.lockheedmartin.com/news/press_r...mSelectedF.html

Although this was released after 9/11, you must consider the power and capability of PROmis software, the role of P/TECH and its clients (as noted by Indira Singh and others), the fact that "Lynne Cheney served on Lockheed Corporation's board of directors from 1994 to 2001, a $120,000-a-year post she gave up shortly before her husband's inauguration; Cheney served on the board's Finance, and Nominating and Corporate Governance committees.[3][4]", and the fact that Lynne Cheney was whisked by the Secret Service (commanded by her husband that day and linked into the FAA networks) to join her husband in the PEOC that morning.




From the History Commons 9/11 timeline:

According to the 9/11 Commission, the Secret Service logs Lynne Cheney’s arrival at the White House at 9:52 a.m. She joins her husband, Vice President Dick Cheney, in the tunnel leading to the Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC) bunker below the White House, and then enters the PEOC alongside him. [9/11 Commission, 7/24/2004, pp. 40] She had been at her downtown office around the time the second tower was hit, at 9:03, when she was driven by the Secret Service to the White House. [Newsweek, 12/31/2001] Yet, in a brief interview with an activist group in 2007, Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta will claim that Lynne Cheney was already in the PEOC when he arrived there. [911truthseattle (.org), 6/26/2007] According to Mineta’s recollections, this was at around 9:20-9:27 (see (Between 9:20 a.m. and 9:27 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [MSNBC, 9/11/2002; 9/11 Commission, 5/23/2003] Lynne Cheney will sit in a corner of the PEOC, and write down notes on the various reports that are received this morning by the vice president. [Newsweek, 12/31/2001]

After attending President Bush’s meeting with his principal advisers in the Presidential Emergency Operations Center beneath the White House, Vice President Dick Cheney heads back upstairs, accompanied by his wife Lynne Cheney and his two top aides, I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby and David Addington. They all head out onto the White House’s South Lawn and get onto Marine Two, the vice president’s helicopter, being joined on it by a military aide, a communications expert, three Secret Service agents, and Cheney’s doctor. They take off, in violation of long-standing protocol, according to which only the president takes off from the South Lawn. Only a few of the most senior White House officials are informed of their destination. About 30 minutes later they arrive at Camp David, the presidential retreat in the Catoctin Mountains, about 70 miles from the White House. Again going against tradition, Cheney and his family settle into the cabin usually reserved for the president, Aspen Lodge. Liz Cheney, the vice president’s eldest daughter, and her young family, joins them there. This is the first of many nights that Cheney spends in “secure, undisclosed locations” in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks (see September 12, 2001-2002). [Federation of American Scientists, 10/2/2000; Hayes, 2007, pp. 345-346] He will return to Washington the following morning for an 8 a.m. meeting at the White House (see September 12, 2001). [Washington Post, 1/28/2002]

And then go and read Peter Dale Scott’s articles and other sources (Dqabid Ray Griffin and Mark Gaffney) on the institution of the old Cheney/Rumsfeld/Ollie North “Continuity of Government” plans on 9/11. (Gaffney's work is focused especially on the role of the "Doomsday" plane seen flying over DV that morning.)


#4) another publication:

Journal of Navigation (2001), 54:1:1-13 Cambridge University Press
Copyright © 2001 The Royal Institute of Navigation


GNSS Guidance for All Phases of Flight: Practical Results

S. J. Leighton a1, A. E. McGregor a2, D. Lowe a2, A. Wolfe a2 and A. A. Macaulay a2
a1 National Air Traffic Services Limited
a2 Defence Evaluation and Research Agency

This, and the following three papers, were first presented at GNSS 2000, the Third European Symposium on Global Navigation Satellite Systems held in Edinburgh, Scotland from 1st to 4th May 2000.

http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displ...e&aid=66149


#5) More enlightening verification:

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/control.html

http://www.draper.com/digest97/patent1.pdf (Go dig up the history and role of Draper Labs, if you don't know them and their connection to MIT. the USAF at Hanscom, the MITRE corporation, and the military-industrial complex)

http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/world/europe/nav.htm

Recall as well what happened in the NRO agency that morning. (Evacuation of the premises by all but permitted staff as part of a drill simulating what might happen if an aircraft hit the building.)


#6) Then check out this series of embedded links/stories about "what happened in Falls Church" from
http://www.angelfire.com/mi/smilinks/FallsChurch.html :

The following outfits have locations in Fairfax County, VA (location of Falls Church * see links at end of text - taken from this link):

Boeing Autometric, Inc.
Booz Allen Hamilton
Mitretek Systems
National Imagery & Mapping Agency
National Reconnaissance Office
Northrop Grumman Information Technology
SAIC
SI International
The MITRE Corporation

Let's take a look at these one at a time.

Boeing Automatic MUST have to do with unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV's), which is the predominant new tool used on September 11, 2001. They are so good at what they do that NOW they can't keep unmanned aerial vehicles on the shelf. As well, some three weeks after 9-11, China bought FOUR HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS worth of those very jets.

Booz, Allen, & Hamilton produced the most recent director of the National Imagery and Mapping Agency (NIMA) who was took his job one month before 9-11. Booz-Allen also has connections to Ptech, a company that was investigated regarding 9-11 but that story was squashed. Ptech also had/has connections to Mitre Corporation which is heavily implicated in 9-11.

Mitretrek is, like Mitre Corporation, a spinoff of MIT's Lincoln Laboratories. Seems MIT was, during the time, spawning devil children left and right.

NIMA (the "eyes of the nation") seems to have been key to pulling off 9-11 as the data provided for real time processing, as Mitre Corp.'s AMSTE program promises to do, come mostly from NIMA.

The National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) put a satellite in orbit on September 8, 2001 and three days later, miraculously, they would be conducting a joint "simulation" of just the sort of events that transpired during Operation Two Towers. I can't wait for some Saudi-hacker theory.

Northrop Grumman is the originator of Global Hawk systems (a system of remote pilotting).

SAIC, like Mitre Corporation and TRW (NRO contractor), have had on their boards one John Deutch.

SI International provides information management for USSPACECOM (NORAD) and USSTRATCOM. See the following snips:

SI International, Inc., an information technology and network solutions (IT) company, announced today that it has a subcontract with SAIC, under the United States Strategic Command (USSTRATCOM) Systems and Missions Support (USAMS) Blanket Purchase Agreement contract (BPA). The company will provide technical engineering and analysis services that support the information operations mission at Headquarters U.S. Strategic Command, Offutt AFB, NE. Click here for more.

June 9, 2003: S.I. International Inc. of Reston won a contract valued at $24 million over eight years from the Defense Department to provide military communications satellite engineering, analysis and database support. For more click here.

As a technical support contractor for Headquarters AFSPC, Headquarters United States Space Command (USSPACECOM), Headquarters North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), SI International has established itself as a recognized industry expert in military space systems and C4ISR operational architecture development and maintenance. For more click here.

.....the militarization of space is intimately linked with US strategic nuclear forces, for the previous command covering space, known as Space Command, has merged with the command responsible for nuclear forces, Strategic Command. Upon merger, the commander of Strategic Command stated, "United States Strategic Command provides a single war fighting combatant command with a global perspective, focused on exploiting the strong and growing synergy between the domain of space and strategic capabilities." For more click here.

SI International, Inc., an information technology and network solutions (IT) company, announced today that it has a subcontract with SAIC, under the United States Strategic Command (USSTRATCOM) Systems and Missions Support (USAMS) Blanket Purchase Agreement contract (BPA). The company will provide technical engineering and analysis services that support the information operations mission at Headquarters U.S. Strategic Command, Offutt AFB, NE.

........For more than twelve years, SI International has served as a contractor for the military space community including Headquarters North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), Headquarters Air Force Space Command (AFSPC), Headquarters Army Space Command (ARSPACE), and United States Space Command (USSPACECOM) - now United States Strategic Command (USSTRATCOM). In addition, SI International has supported the Spacelift Range Systems, Range Standardization and Automation, military satellite communication (Milsatcom) systems, and the Air Force Satellite Control Network since 1996. For more click here.

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SAIC, of course, keeps turning up in searches related to John Deutch, Mitre Corporation, TRW, and other outfits associated with the satellite technologies needed to pull off 9-11, the same technologies (dontcha know) that SI International works on.

SI International, with its contracts with USSPACECOM and USSTRATCOM, would seem to have had to been key in Operation Two Towers. USSTRATCOM was where Warren Buffet sat with several CEO's from the WTC on September 11 and it is where Bush flew to immediately upon being told of the attacks. Warren Buffet, by the way, is a peddler of Global Hawk systems (remote pilotting) with two companies, Mitre Corporation (a non-profit - ? - with its roots in MIT's Lincoln Laboratories) and Berkshire-Hathaway, producer of BizJets and NetJets, planes that many of the rich and powerful fly in. USSPACECOM (NORAD) is responsible for preventing anything like 9-11 from happening which they have always been excellent at except when it counted. Sounds rather conspiratorial TO ME.

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SNIPS
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In July 2002 SI International received a four and one-half year, $1.9 million award to provide technical, engineering, and consulting services in support of the Headquarters Air Force Space Command (AFSPC) Military Satellite Communications Systems Division. As the prime contractor, SI International supports the transition and conversion from current satellite communication systems to Advanced Extremely High Frequency (AEHF) and the National Strategic Satellite Communications System (NSSS). SI International will provide technical analysis, consulting and engineering assistance services in support of AFSPC; guidance on the Transformational Communications Study (TCS); and, transition and terminal interoperability analysis for the NSSS Implementation plan. Specifically, SI International will develop a NSSS network transition plan highlighting critical paths and design a satellite communications system transition database. For more click here.

The SBR system is a transformational system for DoD and national intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) capabilities. SBR is designed to deliver extraordinary capability to gain real-time information on any potential adversary, locale or theater. The system is intended to be able to track moving targets, produce high-resolution synthetic aperture radar images, produce high-resolution terrain information, and to provide data and other radar and radio frequency products. For more click here.

Northrop Grumman IT will provide operations, maintenance and support services to the Air Force Space Command, 21st Space Wing for the three geographically dispersed GEODSS sites: Site 1, at White Sands Missile Range, N.M.; Site 2, on Diego Garcia, British Indian Ocean Territory; and Site 3, Maui, Hawaii......These sites are part of Air Force Space Command's optical space surveillance network and conduct deep space surveillance of orbiting space objects in support of U.S. Strategic Command and Air Force Space Command's space control mission. For more click here.

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END SNIPS
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Then, of course, there's the Mitre Corporation. Please see the following links.

Mitre Corp., UAV's, Offut AFB, and September 11

The Strange Falls Church Pattern

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON IN FALLS CHURCH, VA. !?!

Resurrecting the Ptech story

Operation Two Towers

DAMNING EVIDENCE OF WARREN BUFFET 9-11 ROLE


#7) Then pick apart this dense treasury of stuff from an old early 9/11 researcher:
http://friendfeed.com/ewing2001/0765bc10/d...ace-outside-job


#8) Then go back up to the top and start again with the original, now-complete posting:


Automated Precision Satellite Guidance Of 9/11 Type Aircraft Largely Possible Just Before Attacks
- United Airlines Boeing Aircraft, Along With UPS And NASA 757s And 767s Utilized During Pre-9/11 GPS Tests

- Raytheon/FAA Controlled GPS Satellite Navigation Array Activated 13 Months Before 9/11 Attacks

- October, 2001 Pilot Override System Envisioned Use Of Satellite Auto-Navigation Concept And Communications Termination


Because information collected after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 has raised questions about the alleged ability and motivation of the people accused of piloting Boeing 757 and 767 planes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, speculation has since lingered regarding the covert use of technology to precisely self-navigate all 4 airliners into targets that day.

Government and aviation industry publications shed light on the development and implementation of pre-9/11 state-of-the-art systems capable of facilitating precise automated navigation of the Boeing 757 and 767 aircraft used during the 9/11 attacks, to a given destination.

"WAAS (Wide Area Augmentation System) is an extremely accurate navigation system developed for civil aviation. Before WAAS, the U.S. National Airspace System (NAS) did not have the potential to provide horizontal and vertical navigation for approach operations for all users at all locations. With WAAS, this capability is a reality ... WAAS provides service for all classes of aircraft in all phases of flight - including en route navigation"

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headqu...o/service_uni...

Just 13 months before the September 11 terrorist attacks, the WAAS GPS satellite array was activated by the FAA and operated by "Raytheon" on a preliminary basis.

AMENDED VERSION: Wide Area Augmentation System Signal Now Available

August 24, 2000

"WASHINGTON, DC — After a successful 21-day stability test of the Wide Area Augmentation System (WAAS) signal in space, the U.S. Department of Transportation's Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) declared that it is now available for some aviation and all non-aviation uses ... The system demonstrated one to two meters horizontal accuracy and two to three meters vertical accuracy throughout the contiguous United States ... Raytheon will operate the system for the FAA on a continuous basis"

http://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/new...cfm?newsId=5249


One member having served on Raytheon's Special Advisory Board is "Project for the New American Century" signatory Richard Armitage.

http://usinfo.state.gov/journals/itps/0900/ijpe/pj52bios.htm



Only 3 weeks after the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, a patent was applied for regarding a system that would override pilot control from an autopilot equipped aircraft and redirect such an aircraft to a predetermined destination via pre-programmed autopilot settings. This patent cites the Differential Global Position Satellite research and development conducted by Honeywell and NASA during the mid-1990s.

""A method for ... deactivating on-board control of the autopilot system; directing the autopilot system to fly the aircraft to a landing."

"One optional feature of the invention disables the aircraft's communications equipment."

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser Sect2=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=...



Honeywell’s Differential GPS Satellite Landing System

July/August, 1995

"The Honeywell team participated in Boeing’s Category III-b flight test evaluation program in July and August of 1995. NASA supplied the 757 aircraft and flight test facility. Boeing supplied the pilots, ground crew, maintenance, flight test personnel and performed the aircraft modifications for the flight tests. The flight tests were accomplished at NASA’s Wallops Island, Virginia, flight test facility. A total of 75 Category III-b automatic landings were accomplished during this phase of flight testing. The autopilot used the DGPS to guide the aircraft to a landing and ... performance data of these flight tests showed that the Honeywell DGPS landing system achieved the predicted system accuracy of one to two meters."

http://www.bluecoat.org/reports/Lewison_96_DGPS.pdf



Getting To The Point In Pinpoint Landing

October, 1994

"A high-performance navigation system used primarily for automatic aircraft touchdowns promises centimeter-level landing accuracy.During a four-day period in October 1994, the idea was put to the test on Runway 35 at NASA's Crows Landing Flight Facility in California. Using signals from orbiting GPS satellites and the ground-generated pseudolite signals, 110 autopilot-in-the-loop landings of a United Airlines Boeing 737 were completed."

http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/spinoff1998/t2.htm



FAA/Ohio University Avionics Engineering Center Partnership

December, 1998

"Ohio University's Avionics Engineering Center recently developed and successfully flight-tested technology that increases the availability and accuracy of the Global Positioning System (GPS) ... This technological breakthrough is the result of a 5-year aviation research grant provided by the FAA to the Avionics Center to design, implement, and test an advanced prototype GPS-based approach, landing, and surface movement guidance system ... Pilots from United Parcel Service (UPS) flight tested the new architecture in October 1994, using a UPS Boeing 757, completing a total of 50 automated landings. During those tests, researchers integrated Differential Global Positioning System into the Boeing 757 autoland system."

http://www.tc.faa.gov/logistics/grants/success/OU.pdf



FAA, ATA, UPS Test New Satellite Technology

August 13, 1999

"In the Atlantic City tests, a "UPS Boeing 767 flown by company pilots will perform 40 approaches down to as low as 25 feet above the runway. The pilots will fly some approaches manually; others will be coupled to the aircraft's autopilot. The LAAS and GPS signals will be processed by equipment specially installed aboard the 767 for these tests. LAAS can tell pilots where their aircraft is to an accuracy of less than one meter, and the system can be used in all visibility conditions. It complements the Wide Area Augmentation System (WAAS) that the FAA is now developing and acquiring."

http://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/new...cfm?newsId=5052



On September 7, 1998, it was announced that American Airlines and United Airlines selected Honeywell's new GPS capable "Pegasus" Flight Management System (FMS) for use in their Boeing 757 and 767 aircraft.

http://www.aviationnow.com/shownews/farnday1/pressr15.htm

http://www.honeywell.com/sites/aero/Flight...gement_Systems3


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"A flight management system or FMS is a computerized avionics component found on most commercial and business aircraft to assist pilots in navigation, flight planning, and aircraft control functions. It is considered to be composed of three major components: FMC (Flight Management Computer), AFS (Auto Flight System), and Navigation System including IRS (Inertial Reference System) and GPS."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_management_system



NORAD Had Drills of Jets as Weapons

April 18, 2004

"In the two years before the Sept. 11 attacks, the North American Aerospace Defense Command conducted exercises simulating ... hijacked airliners used as weapons ... NORAD, in a written statement, confirmed ... "Numerous types of civilian and military aircraft were used as mock hijacked aircraft "".

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/20...-18-norad_x.htm

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Can Killer Drones Land on Carriers Like Human Top Guns?

By Jason Paur November 3, 2009 4:31 pm Categories: Drones


The Navy’s top admiral told a think-tank audience yesterday he wants more unmanned aircraft in the sea service, and he wants ‘em in a hurry. In particular, Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Gary Roughead said he’d like a robotic attack aircraft that can land and take off from a carrier. As it happens, I saw a full-scale mock-up of just such a plane a few weeks ago.

The X-47B is expected to make its first flight by the end of the year and could be making autonomous carrier landings as soon as 2011. In the meantime, drone-maker Northrop Grumman decided the show the thing off to the press at Edwards Air Force Base.

It’s no secret that unmanned aerial vehicles are becoming the preferred eyes in the sky and weapons platform for the military when it comes to combat zones. But so far the drones have been limited to operating from established air bases and flying relatively slow and easy, high above the action. The X-47B has the potential to change all that.

Northrup Grumman’s Tighe Parmenter says the X-47B is a test vehicle designed to demonstrate that a tailess, stealthy, unmanned aircraft can operate in the carrier environment. If the unmanned aircraft performs as planned, “it’s likely the Navy will pick a design like this to replace the F/A-18 Hornet.” The X-47B has a wingspan of just over 62 feet, has a range of more than 2,000 miles and can carry 4,500 pounds of internally stored bombs.

The bad news is the tailess, flying wing planform of the X-47B comes with some inherent stability and low speed flying issues that make the take off and landing from an aircraft carrier a real engineering challenge. The good news is Northrup Grumman has a lot of experience with the flying wing design, most recently with the B-2 bomber.

Landing an airplane on an aircraft carrier is considered one of the most difficult things to do in aviation. The Navy wants this experimental craft to do it autonomously — no humans involved. The X-47B will have to be able to take off and land from an aircraft carrier deck without a pilot sitting at a remote control station; that’ll set it apart from today’s drones, like the Predator. Taking off isn’t too much of an issue. Landing is where the engineers will earn their paycheck.

Autonomous landing on a carrier is nothing new, though so far there’s always a pilot sitting in the airplane to take over when the system is pushed to the limit. Carrier based aircraft have used auto land capabilities since the late 1950s when the automatic carrier landing system (ACLS) was developed. The ACLS uses an aircraft’s autopilot, coupled to the instruments a pilot would normally use to land on a carrier to guide an airplane to the carrier deck. ACLS can take an aircraft all the way to touchdown, though most pilots prefer to make the landing themselves.

Where the real challenge is for automated landing systems is getting the aircraft the final few feet to the carrier deck when the weather is less than ideal. The ACLS can fly an airplane to the aircraft carrier in stormy conditions, but those final few seconds to touchdown can be a real challenge when the deck is pitching and rolling in the swells. This is what pilots say is the single biggest challenge of flying from an aircraft carrier. Developing the autonomous recovery capabilities for all weather conditions is going to be one of the biggest challenges facing the X-47B team.

Northrup Grumman hopes that after it can successfully demonstrate that the stealth drone fighter can operate from an aircraft carrier, the Navy will choose the design to begin operations some time around 2025.


http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/11/ca...human-top-guns/
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Amalgam Virgo: Document Reveals Details of Military Exercise
Involving Suicide Pilot Three Months before 9/11


New details of a NORAD exercise called Amalgam Virgo 01-02 have been found in a document at the National Archives. The exercise involved a suicide pilot attacking a military installation in the US. It was run in early June 2001, just three months before 9/11.

The document was found in the 9/11 Commission’s files at the National Archives by History Commons contributor Erik Larson (a.k.a. Paxvector) and uploaded to the 9/11 Document Archive at Scribd. Some information about the exercise was revealed at the History Commons Groups blog in June, when we publicised a commission document summarising a group of military exercises designed to help the military deal with suicide hijackings [see http://www.scribd.com/doc/16411947/NORAD-E...-Hijack-Summary ]. However, the newly-found three-page scenario provides more detail.

In the scenario, a Haitian AIDS sufferer named Reginald Montrose forms an alliance with Columbian drug lords. This link-up is inspired by funding the Columbians have provided to treat AIDS patients in Haiti. Montrose plans to crash a Cessna into the headquarters of the Southeast Air Defense Sector (SEADS) in Florida. Its destruction will draw attention to the Haitians’ plight and “allow the drug cartel to flood the US with flights of aircraft and to increase their market share in the US drug market.”

The exercise starts with a call from a local airport manager to SEADS saying that they have found a suicide note in a suspicious car, and one of their small aircraft is missing. Another call then comes in based on FBI information. Montrose’s sister has contacted the bureau and told it of a second suicide note. The target is believed to be a Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida, where SEADS is located.

The text of both suicide notes is included in the scenario. The first even states that Montrose has taken out an insurance policy with Lloyds of London to cover the cost of the plane he intends to crash into SEADS, and has filled the gas tank of his rental car, which is to be returned to the Alamo facility at Tampa International airport.

SEADS launches fighters to intercept and identify the incoming Cessna, and to attempt to turn it away from the Florida coastline. However, Montrose is to remain on course, without turning. The scenario states, “This will develop into an ROE [Rules of Engagement] drill that will challenge the battlestaff as they work to keep the target aircraft from impacting SEADS.” It adds, “Target will remain on course... throughout scenario or until simulated shot down.... Scenario fruition is up to Blue Forces.”

Originally posted here: http://hcgroups.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/a...ths-before-911/

http://www.911blogger.com/node/21774

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Destruction of Flight Controllers’ Tape, Day of 9/11
Additions to the 9/11 Timeline as of November 4, 2009


One of the main focuses at the 9/11 Timeline recently has been the destruction of a tape of FAA flight controllers' recollections. The tape was made at the FAA's New York Center about an hour and a half after the attacks ended, despite worries about the procedure by a union official and the controllers. However, when New York Center forwarded evidence about the attacks to the FBI the next day, it did not provide the tape, and its existence was not reported to superiors. The controllers then prepared written statements without reviewing the tape, and a union official was concerned whether anyone had heard it. One of the controllers later asked to listen to the taped statement he had made, but his request was denied. When New York Center submitted a formal accident package, the tape was again absent. Although the Center had been told to retain 9/11 evidence, the tape was later destroyed. Following the tape's destruction, the manager who destroyed it was suspended, but did not face criminal charges. A later Transportation Department report simply attributed the tape's destruction to "poor judgment."

There are also a number of new entries about the day of 9/11. The Secret Service learned of additional hijacked aircraft around 9:03 a.m., but the agents protecting Vice President Dick Cheney were apparently not alerted. A National Reconnaissance Office exercise simulating a plane crashing into its building was scheduled to begin around 9:30 a.m., when unidentified planes were flying near the Pentagon. Shortly after 9:40 a.m., the FAA Command Centre updated FAA headquarters about hijacked flight 93, a National Airborne Operations Center plane launched from Andrews Air Force base, and American Airlines briefly lost contact with a third airliner.

After 9:50 a.m., American Airlines CEO Don Carty questioned Transportation Secretary Mineta about the plane that hit the Pentagon, Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) officers created a battleplan to respond to the attacks, the control tower at Reagan Airport was evacuated due to a report on an approaching aircraft, and numerous international flights began transmitting emergency codes. After 10:00 a.m., NORAD commanders considered a shootdown authorization, but pilots launched from Langley Air Force Base were told they could not shoot down hijacked planes, and NORAD sectors were told peacetime rules of engagement applied.

Finally, alleged lead hijacker Mohamed Atta was supported by a German Foundation with US ties and Robert Fuller, one of the FBI agencies involved in the failed hunt for Khalid Almihdhar, later handled an informer so badly he immolated himself in front of the White House.

Originally posted here: http://www.historycommons.org/news.jsp?oid=140393703-933

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Rep. Brad Sherman’s office admits explosives found in the World Trade Center dust
“…but not enough to bring down the towers."


This is a very good article by Edward Brotherton documenting his disciplined and effective effort to get his Congressman's office to acknowledge that the science indicating ongoing 9/11 treason exists, even if they continue, like Senator Lindsey Graham and his office, to stick with NIST and the 9/11 Commission.

This article has been sent far and wide to those in the political realm and media. If you can help spread it, please do so.

the PDF of this article is linked to at http://www.infowars.com/congressman-brad-s...losives-found...
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I have written an article for your knowledge and distribution as you deem fit about my dealings with Congressman’s Brad Sherman’s office. This is an issue of national importance as it relates to our national security. If you watch the short video’s below then read the PDF documents in the order listed you will get a very clear picture of what is going on.

This is the first article I’ve ever written so please be easy on me. It is primarily for your education and publication if you deem it neccessary. Personally there are several worthy and bigger stories within this article. If you have any questions please feel free to contact me.

This video is a must see. You can actually hear the explosions very clearly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A9X_8flGeM

The video below is John Gross (one of the lead NIST investigators) telling a physics teacher that he knows of no evidence of molten metal found in the WTC site in spite of all the evidence to the contrary. It is important to point that when John told this teacher to send him the NASA images showing temperatures reaching in excess of 2000 degrees, he later refused to give him his email address to send him the pictures.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcqf5tL887o...player_embedded


This is a video interview of Barry Jennings talking about the explosions her heard while being trapped inside building 7.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQY-ksiuwKU

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October 30, 2009

By Edward Brotherton

After a 20-minute conversation with Congressman Brad Sherman’s office on Friday, October 10, 2009, I hung up the phone not believing what I had just heard. Congressman Brad Sherman represents the 27th district, one of the geographically largest districts in Southern California representing around 600,000 constituents. The congressman’s policy advisor in Washington, Erin Prangley, ignores the question as to how they got there. She kept repeating that the Congressman’s position is expressed by the report published by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), as recommended by the San Fernando Valley chapter of the American Institute of Architects.

When it comes to the subject of the September 11th terrorist attacks, it appears that many political offices become a Bermuda triangle, where reports are lost and never seen again along with common sense, logic, basic math skills and the desire to protect the rights of the American people. To be fair however this political black hole wasn’t created after 9/11. On September 10th 2001 Donald Rumsfeld gave a press conference where he told the American people that the Pentagon could not account for $2.3 trillion dollars. That is no typo – that’s trillion with a “t”. Of course, the next day almost 3000 Americans lives were lost, along with the World Trade Center ,and the issue of the missing $2.3 trillion got sucked away into the 9/11 black hole.

If one could travel into this sucking vortex and come out on the other side one might be amazed at what one would find. Perhaps E. Howard Hunt’s deathbed confession for being involved in the JFK assassination, Or the reasons why Lt. Col. Michael Aquino (who founded the Temple of Set Church of Satan) would be allowed to work for the U.S. Army psychological warfare department.

Or perhaps we will find the four black box recorders that supposedly vaporized when the airlines struck the towers, keeping in mind of course that one of the hijackers’ passports survived virtually unscathed and found before the collapse of the towers. (Maybe we should be making skyscrapers and black box recorders out of paper.) Or maybe will find the two nano-thermite papers that were delivered to Congressman Brad Sherman’s office.

A nine-member international team of chemists, physicists, and others published a paper in early 2009 entitled “Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 WTC Catastrophe” (hereinafter, the nano-thermite paper). These scientists used the scientific method to analyze samples of World Trade Center dust that could not have been contaminated by cleanup activities at Ground Zero. They found red-gray chips that were attracted by a magnet, examined the various crystalline and non-crystalline structures in the chips, shot electrons into the chips and looked at the X-ray spectra that came out, and heated the samples and watched how they responded. They compares these results to cured paint chips and to known highly advanced energetic nano-materials. They concluded that “the red layer … is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology, and is a highly energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material.”

Pardon the inevitable pun: this is an explosive discovery.

When NIST was confronted with the possibility of thermite or other types of explosive or incendiary material, they wrote that “a very large quantity of thermite (a mixture of powdered or granular aluminum metal and powdered iron oxide that burns at extremely high temperatures when ignited) or another incendiary compound would have had to be placed on at least the number of columns damaged by the aircraft impact and weakened by the subsequent fires to bring down a tower. Thermite burns slowly relative to explosive materials and can require several minutes in contact with a massive steel section to heat it to a temperature that would result in substantial weakening.”

One problem with NIST’s statement is its internal inconsistency. NIST claims that office fires, which burn cooler than thermite and cannot melt steel, weakened the steel sufficiently to bring down all three high-rises (including World Trade Center Building 7, which did not get hit by an airplane). Yet NIST claims that “massive amounts of thermite” would have been needed to weaken the Twin Towers’ steel enough to bring them down.

Another problem is that NIST’s denial has not been updated in response to the nano-thermite paper, which made very clear the distinction between thermite and nano-thermite.

This is where you start to hear the sucking sound of the black hole as common sense and logic are being sucked away. Nano-thermite is like regular thermite on steroids. Instead of just burning, this stuff actually explodes with as much energy as conventional high explosives. To pretend that the distinction does not exist, or is not important, is difficult to reconcile with the expertise in nano-thermites possessed by former NIST director Arden Bement and numerous other NIST employees and contractors (see the “Top Ten Connections” paper referenced below).

The nano-thermite paper also roughly estimated that nine tons of nano-thermite remained unreacted in the dust, making it quite reasonable to assume that many additional tons did react, bringing the Towers down. How those tons of advanced explosives were placed throughout the Twin Towers is the responsibility of law enforcement officials to figure out, not that of volunteer scientist-patriots working on a shoestring budget.

Aside from the physical scientific evidence for explosives there are approximately 115 eyewitnesses who discuss hearing or experiencing explosions before, during and after the collapse of the towers and even reports of an explosion in WTC 1 basement before the first plane hit. William Rodriguez, who worked as a janitor in the World Trade Center, gave this testimony to the 9/11 commission. He gave names of others, who could corroborate his testimony, but the commission never notified them, and the 9/11 Commission Report does not mention William Rodriguez’s testimony.

Another of these witnesses was Barry Jennings; a NYC worker who along with Michael Hess got trapped inside of WTC 7 after an explosion knocked them back and caused the sixth floor stairwell to give way. He and Hess climbed up to the 8th floor where they remained trapped until several hours later. Barry gave an interview to the producers of the Loose Change documentary series and discussed the multiple explosions he was hearing while trapped in Building 7. It is important to note that some of these explosions occurred before any of the towers collapsed. Jennings also mentioned stepping over bodies while being led out of the building through a hole in the lobby by rescue workers. This has been portrayed as startling because authorities said that no one died in Building 7. This particular issue would be resolved if it is confirmed, as some have claimed, that the bodies of people who jumped from the Towers had been moved into the lobby to get them out of public view for dignity’s sake.

Unfortunately, Barry Jennings mysteriously died two days before NIST released its final report on the collapsed of WTC 7. A private investigator was hired to find out what happened. Within 24 hours the private investigator took herself off the case, calling it a matter for the police. She refunded her fee and told the person who hired her never to contact her about this individual again.

Aside from the Barry Jennings interview, Congressman Brad Sherman’s office was presented with this evidence approximately two years ago when Congressman Sherman held a town hall meeting where one of his constituents asked him about the collapse of Building 7 and why there are so many unanswered questions with regards to the September 11th attacks. The congressman explained that he is not an expert in structural engineering or physics and could not comment on the collapse of the World Trade Center. He referred to the 9/11 Commission report as a good reference.

Other Commissioners have called it a scam and a disgrace, have said that they were “set up to fail,” and considered referring top military officers for prosecution for obstructing the investigation. Commission lead counsel John Farmer has just published a book in which he says witnesses gave the Commission an account of 9/11 that was “almost entirely untrue.”

Congressman Sherman held another town hall meeting several months later. Another constituent asked the Congressman about Building 7 again. He explained that he would be willing to set up a meeting with the San Fernando Valley Chapter of the American Institute of Architects if some members of the constituency want to discuss the issues with them. The AIA would then consult the Congressman on the findings.

I decided that the best thing to do would be to set up a meeting between the local AIA chapter and Richard Gage, AIA, Bay Area architect and founder of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth. His organization is dedicated to presenting the engineering facts about what happened to the three high-rises on 9/11. It currently has almost 1000 architects and engineering professionals and over 5000 members of the general public who are demanding a new investigation into the attacks.

I spoke with Erin Prangley, who at the time was the District Director for Congressman Sherman in the Van Nuys office. Erin informed me that the congressman would not be setting up any meetings with the AIA and was told that the constituents would have to do that on their own. I explained to Erin that the Congressman said at the town hall meeting that he would set it up. She continued to deny the Congressman made any such statement.

Knowing I wasn’t going to get any cooperation from the Congressman’s office, I notified the local San Fernando Valley AIA Executive Director Leslie Nathan. By this time the NIST report on the collapse of WTC 1 and WTC 2 had been released. I addressed my concerns in a letter written to her around October 2007. She was kind enough to submit the request to the board of the AIA, where they voted against a meeting with Richard Gage. When I asked what the reasons were, she cited the NIST report being authorative enough to warrant no further review. I requested a second meeting and Leslie was again kind of enough to submit to the board for consideration. This time I found out one board member voted for the meeting, but that was not enough; this request was also denied.

I went back to the congressman’s office and met briefly with Erin Prangley again. I explained that I had made two attempts to get a meeting with the AIA, and both times my requests were denied. Since this was the congressman’s idea, what should I do? She said there is nothing she can do.
“If the AIA doesn’t want to meet with you, then the Congressman can’t force them to.”

I reminded Erin about the congressman telling all of us at the town hall meeting that he would set up the meeting. She again denied that occurred and ended the meeting.

In the spring of 2008, Congressman Sherman held another town hall meeting in Van Nuys. I was fortunate enough to have the opportunity to explain to the congressman in front of everyone present about my experience with his office being uncooperative. I explained that I had not been able to secure any meetings with the AIA, and I asked, since it was his idea, what should I do?

He said, “Well, first of all, I said I would set up the meeting with the AIA and it wasn’t meant for you to do that on your own.”

I said, “That’s interesting, because I explained that to your office and I was told you didn’t say that.” His head shook in embarrassment and he agreed to allow anyone who has information to get it to his office and he would make sure it got forwarded to the AIA so they can review it.

Immediately several people, including Richard Gage, began to put together a packet detailing some of the anomalies with the destruction of the towers. This packet included information about molten metal being discovered several weeks after the collapse. It also mentioned eyewitnesses who spoke about explosions in the Towers. Also included was information about thermitic material discovered in dust samples. This packet was then hand-delivered to the congressman’s office, where it was forwarded to the AIA.

After several weeks I followed up with the Congressman’s office to find out the status of the report we provided them and they repeatedly didn’t have any answers for me. I then called Leslie Nathan at the AIA, who informed me that they could not perform a proper analysis of the report because they did not have the resources. It would cost them close to $50,000. I then asked Leslie about whether or not the AIA has evaluated the NIST report. She told me that they have not.

I then asked, “So you’re saying that that the AIA will not give any recommendations or opinion about the report we gave you because you do not have the resources to do so?”

“Correct.” She said.

“So I assume you won’t be giving any recommendations or opinions about the NIST report since you don’t have the resources to evaluate that either, is that correct?”

“Yes,” she replied.

I thanked her and notified Erin at Congressman Sherman’s office a few days later.

Erin informed me that she had received an email from Leslie stating their position about the report. When I asked Erin what to do now since (again) this was the congressman’s idea, and it didn’t seem to work, she stated that there was nothing more that could be done.

I explained, “Doing nothing is not an option. There is evidence of explosives found in the dust of the World Trade Center and someone needs to explain it. I’m not trying to add a lane to the 405 freeway or get the name of a post office changed.” She explained that the Congressman’s position is going be with the findings of the NIST report. I explained to Erin that the veracity of the NIST report is in questions because it left out key evidence and fabricated some. She told me that the AIA has recommended the findings of the NIST report to be valid and the Congressman is going to take that recommendation. This is obviously in direct contrast with the AIA’s most recent position, just given to me via telephone.

More months went by, and in early 2009, the nano-thermite paper was released. The paper is a detailed study of the red/gray chips that were found in the WTC dust. These red/gray chips were mentioned in the first paper given to the congressmen’s office and the AIA. This is the same paper the AIA couldn’t give a more detailed analysis of. A more conclusive understanding of the substance found in the dust was determined to be an advanced explosive made only in US national laboratories, including Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. Members of We Are Change LA flew to Washington D.C. to deliver the nano-thermite paper to several members of Congress including Congressman Brad Sherman. WACLA member Stewart Howe hand-delivered this paper to the congressman personally.

In July 2009, I followed up with a phone call to find out the status of the paper and what the congressman’s thoughts were on it. I was informed that no one knew about the paper and after a few attempts they couldn’t seem to track it down.

About this same time I learned that the congressman was having another town hall meeting. I went hoping to find Erin and could ask her for an update on what was going on with paper. When I arrived I had learned that Erin was working in the Washington office now. So I spoke to the new District Director Matt Dababneh. He didn’t seem to know anything about the paper either. I wasn’t able to ask the congressman any questions at this meeting, but a few days later I hand-delivered another copy of the paper, along with another paper entitled “Top Ten Connections to NIST and Nano-thermites,” by Kevin Ryan. Ryan worked for Underwriters Laboratories, the company that certified the steel that went into the construction of the World Trade Center. Kevin turned whistleblower and was subsequently fired after revealing that the steel was certified to withstand temperatures beyond what was mentioned by the FEMA and NIST investigation.

Ryan’s paper shows that much of NIST’s analysis of the World Trade Center’s destruction was contracted out to a company called Science Applications International (SAIC). This company is a defense and Homeland Security contractor and has extensive links to nano-thermites, developing and judging nano-thermite research proposals for the military as well as developing nano-thermites itself. Its subsidiary Applied Ordinance Technology has done research on the ignition of nano-thermites using lasers.

Thus, the subject of some of these SAIC research projects is the same family of advanced explosives that was discovered in the dust samples by independent scientists and researchers, and appears to be what actually brought down the World Trade Center 1, 2 and 7 at freefall speed. It would also explain the previously molten iron-rich microspheres that were discovered in the dust by the United States Geological Survey (USGS) and R J Lee Group. It might also explain the molten iron or steel seen for many weeks after the WTC’s destruction, attested to by more than two dozen witnesses, including firefighters, demolition contractors, and WTC structural engineer Leslie Robertson.

It is agreed by all parties involved that office fires alone cannot generate the temperatures needed to create molten metal. So it begs the question, how did this molten metal get there and what generated the required temperatures? Could it have been the nano-thermite found in the dust samples?
After the delivery of this evidence, I followed up with a phone call, and was told that the material had been forwarded to the congressman’s office in Washington. I spoke to Erin Prangley who was now Congressman Sherman’s policy advisor in the D.C. office. I discovered she didn’t know anything about the report.

I told her, “This is the second time this nano-thermite paper was submitted to you, and both times it has disappeared. The congressman has even had one handed to him directly.”

She said, “We’ll look into it and see if we can track it down.”

I went back to the Van Nuys office and spoke to Matt about what happened to the paper. He didn’t know and couldn’t find it either.

“Can you get me another copy of the paper?” Matt asked.

“No, I’m not going to do that. You need to find the two we already gave you. I’m tired of giving your office information, only for it to be lost or never read by the Congressman, or anyone else in your office.”

I gave them some more time and then followed up with Matt about the paper. After several attempts at reaching him, I got Matt on the phone. He informed me “the Congressman’s policy people are reviewing the report.” I was thankful and hung up the phone. After about a month and half I made several attempts to reach Matt again, only to find out he was on vacation.

I called the Washington office to find out who the congressman’s policy people are. I got forwarded to Erin Prangley where after some niceties she explained that she is the congressman’s policy person and she admitted to never seeing the paper. She apologized that Matt told me otherwise, and I began to discuss the details of the paper to her. She explained that the Congressman’s position has not changed and is still relying on the AIA recommendations to use the NIST report as the authorative source for information regarding the collapse of the World Trade Center. I asked her “How do you explain the explosives found in the dust? It’s there, someone has to explain that.” She explained that NIST looked for explosives and determined that so much of it would be needed it would be highly implausible that anyone can access the columns in the towers undetected and plant explosives.” Even though Turner Construction shows had completed re-fireproofing and putting in a new sprinkler loop in August of 1999 on the 88th floor.

I told her, “NIST does not say they looked for explosives. They just said they considered the possibility of explosives. These other groups of scientists actually looked for it and did the job that NIST should have done and they found it, it’s there. Someone has to explain that.”
She said, “But it wasn’t enough to bring down the towers.”

“The question is ‘how did it get there?’”

“It could have been contaminated.” She said.

“If you had read the paper, you would know that the contamination issue was addressed in the first few pages.”

I asked her about the molten metal. She referred me back to the NIST report. I explained that the NIST report doesn’t address the molten metal. We were both getting very frustrated and I continued to ask her about how explosives got there. She then said, “Explosives were found but not enough to bring down the towers.” I asked her show me where that is located in the NIST report. She said she couldn’t remember exactly where it is. I then said, “So explosives were found, but not enough to bring down the towers.” “Yes” she replied. She then reiterated that the Congressman’s position is with the NIST report as recommended by the AIA. I asked once more, “So not enough explosives were found to bring down the towers?” She said, “Exactly.”

Prangley admitted that she had read only the executive summary of the NIST report, and said that their office doesn’t have the time or resources to go through it point by point. This of course is inconsistent with her saying that NIST considered explosives and ruled them out; NIST discussed that only in its online FAQ, not in any official report. She also explained that she is not herself an expert and cannot speak to the veracity of the NIST report.

Be that as it may, it is unacceptable that a member of Congress does not take his constituents seriously when they present relevant, widely corroborated information that deals with our national security. Tne congressman seems to be keeping himself shielded from the facts to the point of stupidity. Sherman has advisors and people he goes to for opinions on important matters, but when it comes to the issue of 9/11, they fail him.

A member of the U.S. House of Representatives should have the ability to confront these matters head-on, not just pass them on to others who themselves admit they can’t give an informed opinion. It’s not only the Congressman’s job to represent the people in his district on matters that may be important to them. It’s just as important to inform the members of his constituency on matters they may not be privy too, so that they may be an informed populace and have sufficient intelligence to understand the questions that arise from a specific issue. As for the explosives being found in the dust and the 9/11 issue in general, when will Congressman Sherman educate himself and stop putting his staff and other organizations in the way to deflect responsibility.

Edward Brotherton is a veteran of the U.S. Air Force where he served with the 60th Security Police Squadron at Travis AFB. In 1994 he participated in operation Sea Signal providing humanitarian relief for thousands of Haitian and Cuban refugees at Guantanamo Bay Cuba. He became a political activist after becoming aware of the gross corruption that has become the business of government. He currently is working on a book called “How to Pick a President: The Layman’s Guide to Eternal Vigilance.” He is also writing his first feature-length screenplay. He is a member of several organizations, including:

We Are Change Los Angeles

9/11 Truth Los Angeles

Veterans for 9/11 truth

Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth

Oathkeepers Los Angeles

edbrotherton@gmail.com
Magmak1
Some Questions for the "Mastermind"

If he is, indeed, the 9-11 mastermind, I surely would like to ask him a question or two. The first would be how on earth he was able to persuade Osama and the boys that the plan would have any chance at all to succeed. From the beginning, it depended upon complete ineptitude on the part of America’s air defenses. Even though Tom Clancy, a man who seems to be on the best of terms with the Pentagon crowd, had already written two novels in which terrorists hijack airliners, Debt of Honor, and Executive Orders, with the intent of crashing them into important buildings, the very notion that someone would actually do it was beyond our leaders’ wildest imagination, we have been told. Though the top U.S. bulb might be an exceptionally dim one, how does one make grandiose plans that depend utterly upon such unimaginably low wattage up and down the chain of command? Wouldn’t Mohammed have to be more than a mastermind, but a master mindreader?

More than that, wouldn’t it even have required a degree of clairvoyance that would surely have made the plan very hard to sell to superiors? The hijackers would all have to be able to get through security without their weapons being detected and those weapons would have to be perceived as lethal enough to allow them to control the far larger numbers of passengers and crew of the airplanes. What are the chances, really, of so many people behaving so much like sheep?

“Sorry, Khalid,” I can hear Osama saying, “Go back to the drawing board and come up with something a bit simpler that has a greater likelihood of success,” and we haven’t even mentioned the need for virtuoso piloting and navigating performances by novice pilots on harrowing suicide missions.

If preserving our security were our real concern—and, indeed, if the confession were real—we would be treated to a full explanation of how this bunch of zealots pulled off their miraculous attack, but if I were you I would not be holding my breath waiting for it.

David Martin, March 18, 2007

http://www.dcdave.com/article5/070318.htm

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The 'Confessions' Of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed
From Nila Sagadevan
3-15-2007

"According to the headline article on BBC's front page, KSM is claimed to have admitted to the kangaroo court that tried him:

" I was responsible for the 9/11 operation, from A to Z."

KSM's confession was announced to the world by the very people who routinely torture prisoners, hold secret military trials behind closed doors, and bar all lawyers and reporters from being anywhere near the courtroom.
But you do believe them, don't you?

(Boy, is this going to confound the millions of FoxNews- and Limbaugh-trained Bushie buffoons who still believe Saddam did it!)

Now, if I could ask KSM a few questions to satisfy my own nagging curiosity, here's what they'd be:

1. If you were indeed "responsible for the 9/11 operation, from A to Z" as you claim you were, why did your boss, Usama, categorically deny the attacks in 2001?

If you guys really are the arch-enemies of civilization, then the strike against your most hated enemy on 9/11 would have been something for you to shout about. After all, none of your operatives were caught prior to their missions; they successfully bypassed airport security; they successfully hijacked passenger jets and subdued the passengers; they successfully evaded a US military response; they successfully flew the planes with absolute precision even though they themselves barely knew how to fly; they successfully demolished the twin towers; and they successfully struck at the heart of the US military.

You claim you had masterminded and executed the most brilliant plan ever hatched, so you could rightfully have claimed with pride that you were a terrorist genius non pareil and the world's #1 bad guy back in 2001, yet Usama denied all responsibility in an interview he gave Ummat Magazine immediately following 9/11. Why?

Oh, I get it! Usama wasn't kidding -- he didn't do it! That's why he isn't on the FBI's "most wanted" list! And that's why that agency has openly admitted there isn't a shred of evidence that ties Usama to the attacks. So it was you all along, you sly devil you!

2. Why did you inform a select group of bankers - and the CIA - of your plans?

It's clear you did, because it's been proved that pre-9/11 insider trading on United Airlines and American Airlines options lead directly to the highest ranks of the CIA. Investigations proved that none of your people benefited from any of these transactions. So what's with your desire to make the CIA brass rich? There was a jump in United Air Lines 90 times (not 90 percent) above normal between September 6 and September 10, and 285 times higher than average on the Thursday before the attack. There was a jump in American Airlines put options 60 times (not 60 percent) above normal on the day before the attacks. No similar trading occurred on any other airlines.

Between September 6-10, 2001, the Chicago Board Options Exchange saw suspicious trading on Merrill Lynch and Morgan Stanley, two of the largest WTC tenants. An average of 3,053 put options in Merrill Lynch were bought between Sept. 6-10, compared to an average of 252 in the previous week. Merrill Lynch, another WTC tenant, saw 12,215 put options bought between Sept. 7-10, when the previous days had seen averages of 212 contracts a day.
According to Dylan Ratigan of Bloomberg News: "This would be the most extraordinary coincidence in the history of mankind if it was a coincidence. This could very well be insider trading at the worst, most horrific, most evil use you've ever seen in your entire life. It's absolutely unprecedented."

Most of these transactions were handled primarily by Deutsche Bank-A.B.Brown, a firm which until 1998 was chaired by A. B."Buzzy" Krongard, who later became executive director of the CIA.

C'mon, KSM, level with me...How could you, the "arch enemy of America" wish for your enemies to benefit so hugely under your name?


3. Why did you ask FEMA to be in New York the day BEFORE 9/11?

FEMA emergency teams conveniently arrived in New York on 9/10 in preparation for an emergency "drill". If you didn't ask them to be there, who did? Or was this just an incredible coincidence?

Or perhaps you thought some of your chaps would survive the fireballs and require a little First Aid?


4. How on earth did you manage to divert NORAD's attention by getting them to play those silly war games that morning? And five of them? And some of the exercises actually involving 'live hijackings'? And you managed to pull all this off from a cave in Bora Bora? How?


5. Why did you tell Larry Silverstein months in advance to prepare WTC 7 for demolition?

You had to have told him -- Mr. Silverstein openly admitted that he "pulled" it. We all know "pull" is industry jargon for a controlled demolition. Silverstein couldn't possibly have had the building wired and loaded for a "pull" on the day your lads attacked us - it takes months of preparation to set up a building for a pull. So you had to have have told Mr. Silverstein of your plans well in advance.

What's your little thing with Lucky Larry?

6. Why did you inform, of all people, the Israelis of your plans?

If you didn't tell them, who did? Five cheering Israeli "art students" were videotaping your attacks on the Twin Towers as they happened, yelping shouts of joy and mockery. According to ABC's 20/20, when the van in which they were traveling was later stopped by the police, the driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers: "We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem."

Why did he feel that Palestinians were a problem for the NYPD? Also, there were traces of explosives discovered in the van. Since it was you who had to have told the Israelis about your plans, it surely must have been you who also supplied the explosives to the Israelis? What's with that?

7. How did you manage to get the entire United States Air Force to stand down on the day of your attack?

The US military has spent billions of dollars developing spy satellites, and stealth aircraft which are invisible to radar so they can mount surprise attacks on adversaries, but it seems they should have saved their money and bought a fleet of airliners, because they appear to be far more effective.

On 9/11 the world's only military superpower was apparently oblivious to the location of your hijacked airliners in it's airspace for almost two hours, and military commanders were left perplexed on how to deal with the situation of your flying aces using these planes as flying bombs - and wielding silly little boxcutters, no less. This confusion resulted in our fighter jets flying around aimlessly whilst the hierarchy fully assessed what was going on, and this total lack of cohesion ultimately led to the loss of nearly 3,000 lives. How did you know that all that was required to outsmart America's military might on 9/11 were 19 of your guys armed with box cutters aboard 4 airliners?

8. Why did you inform the US Secret Service that President Bush would not be a target?

President Bush's agenda on the morning of 9/11 had been widely publicized, so you must have known he was going to be at the The Booker Elementary School in Florida. The school video shows the Secret Service did not rush in to remove the President to a secure location, or at least to the safety of the armored Presidential Limousine. That's their job. That's what they do in the case of a real surprise attack with many unknowns. They don't do anything else.

But the Secret Service did absolutely nothing for 25 minutes after President Bush was told the nation was under attack (Neither did the president, but at least he had an excuse - he was busy reading about a pet goat). So our president must have known he was NOT one of the targets that morning. Why did you mercifully spare your arch enemy, when you could have nailed him in mid-sentence with another Boeing? Talk about a major feather in your cap! You'd have eclipsed your boss as #1 evildoer and become the darling of the entire 'evil' Islamic world. Why did you blow this brilliant opportunity when you had a sitting duck (goat?) for a target?

9. Why did you contact New York's authorities to inform them that the WTC 7 was going to collapse?

Again, you had to have, because they knew it was going to collapse. No steel-framed building had ever collapsed through fire prior to 9/11, but Giuliani and his cohorts knew! There was no factual or historical basis for this prediction. When was Giuliani warned? Why were only a select few people warned?

I just don't understand you, Khalid. You let Giuliani take all the credit and walk away with the mantle of Time's 'Man Of The Year' while you take it in the shorts and end up in Guantanamo?

10. How did you manage to plant explosives in the twin towers to ensure perfect collapses?

Explosives had to have been used, because all 3 towers collapsed into their own footprints at near-freefall speeds. This kind of collapse is impossible without explosives.

How did your boys gain access to these buildings months in advance of 9/11 in order to place and wire the explosives? You absolutely had to have been in cahoots with Bush's two cousins and their security company, Securacom, which provided security for the entire WTC complex, not to mention the airports from where your teams took off. How else could you have gained access?

11. Once the dust had settled, how did you make provisions with the Bush administration to ensure the investigation into the collapse of the twin towers would be an under-funded farce?

Over $65 million was spent investigating Bill Clinton's sexual indiscretions, but the entire 9/11 Commission only spent $15 million. How did you manage to pull this off? And why? Was your reason in any way connected to your desire to have all the WTC steel - vital crime scene evidence of your dastardly crime - shipped to smelting plants in China, Korea and India as quickly as possible before experts could analyze the steel for signs of explosives?

If so, while you were at it, why didn't you also hush-up the editors of the respected Fire Engineering magazine who later called the WTC investigation a "half-baked farce"?

12. Why didn't you know the identities of your own "hand-picked" hijackers?

How is it that 7 of your crack kamikaze team are alive and well in the Middle East? We're told that your guys were highly trained experts, with knowledge of how to steal identities and forge fake IDs. If so, how come these men were incapable of correctly filling in US visa applications?

We also know that they spent the night before the attack getting drunk in bars, making noise, lapping up lap dances, screaming insults at the "infidels", and doing everything they could to attract attention to themselves. (Shame on you as a good Muslim for picking un-Islamic scum like these guys for your holy mission against "Satan".) They used credit cards issued in their stolen names, allowed their driver's licenses with the stolen names to be photocopied, and used public library computers to send emails back and forth using their stolen names signed to unencrypted messages about their plans to steal aircraft and crash them into buildings, then decorated their apartments with absurdly obvious props such as a crop dusting manual to the point where the whole affair reads like a low budget "B" detective movie from the 1930s.

In short, these men did everything they could to make sure everyone knew who they were and what it was they were up to. How could you have been this stupid, and yet managed to outsmart NORAD and the USAF?

13. Finally, how did you manage to get these guys aboard their respective aircraft?

Were they hideaways aboard airport 'honeywagons' who then crawled up the crap hoses into the aircraft toilets?

Look, none of your guys had an airline reservation; not one of them had a ticket; not one presented his ID to airline counter staff; not one was assigned a seat; not one was issued a boarding pass - but they all managed to board their airplanes!

Not one of their names appeared on a single flight manifest!

Khalid, just a few more questions, please, maestro:

You also must have had a team of insiders working for you at the Pentagon?

How else could you have turned off the more than 100 externally-facing CCTV surveillance cameras on the morning of your attack?

I mean it's obvious. Look, your ace Hani Hanjour (who couldn't solo a Cessna 172) expertly flies his 200,000-lb Boeing into the side of the Pentagon, and not one of the phalanx of cameras surrounding "the world's most protected building" captures one solitary frame of this amazing feat?

Who turned them off?

Khalid, you're a true master...

Oh, and the SAM (Surface-to-Air Missile) batteries that ringed the Pentagon...
These missiles, armed and active 24/7, are programmed to automatically fire on any approaching aircraft whose transponder does not execute an instantaneous IFF (Identification, Friend or Foe) handshake.

Khalid, you crafty ol' bugger, how on earth did you manage to deactivate all these SAMs so they wouldn't prematurely blast ol' Hani into the waiting arms of his hundred virgins?

Finally (this time I mean it)... I'm losing sleep trying to figure out the type of material you used to manufacture the passports carried by your team.

I mean this stuff's clearly beyond the pale of garden variety Kevlar.

And the utter indestructibility of this magical stuff is hardly a secret -- the whole world knows your man Atta's passport tore through layers of his clothing, ripped through the aluminum fuselage of his Boeing, sailed through a hellish fireball, blasted its way through untold feet of concrete and steel and...

Gently floated down to the street below.

Wow!

I bet these super-passports also had embedded active RF homing chips that enabled FBI agents to find them quickly even while they were buried under several feet of dust and debris.

To just think...

A million cubic feet of concrete -- pulverized into a pyroclastic dust cloud... untold tons of steel -- transformed into 'rivers of molten metal'... Yet, Atta's passport not only makes it through all this, it falls at the feet of an FBI agent?

What technology!

No, what a guy.

Khalid...you the man!

PPS: I won't bother you with questions about the Anthrax thing...about how you managed to penetrate hyper-protected US military laboratories in order to get your wily hands on that stuff...


Incidentally, sorry about the torture. Really, I mean it. I'm embarrassed, as an American and a human being.

Khalid, ol' man, you truly are a master evildoer, a furtive genius whose shenanigans make 007 look like a kindergartener. "
Magmak1
"a new cocktail of patsy ingredients"

Imagine that.....

Solider Keara Bono 'told "Good Morning America" today that she initially thought the scene of Hasan standing up, praising Allah and starting to fire was a drill. She didn't believe it was real even when she felt her own blood, she said. "Then I looked to my left and right and I saw people that were bleeding," she said. That's when Bono realized that Hasan's rampage wasn't a drill.' (ABC News GMA)[2]

In the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel of 9 November 2009 we find: "Pfc. Amber Bahr of Random Lake [ Wisconsin ] heard someone yelling and ducked at the sound of gunfire, but she said she thought supervisors at Fort Hood were holding a drill last Thursday. She didn't know she was under live fire until she heard people screaming."[3]

Is this real-world or exercise?

Imagine that.....

Sirhan Sirhan has been moved to an open yard.

Imagine that....

Where are KSM's two boys, by the way?
jeffmoskin
Interesting thread, Mag. A lot of your questions are answered in Michael Ruppert's "Crossing the Rubicon"

http://www.amazon.com/Crossing-Rubicon-Dec...2213&sr=1-1

I have also posted elsewhere my reasons why the "official" story does not compute.

The first step to finding the truth is REJECTING THE LIES.

And we are doing that.
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