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Livyjr
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 16 2009, 05:17 PM) *
How about a t-shirt with the letter G on it

being that Obama is God, no matter how much you deny it, He came back to earth to save it

QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 17 2009, 06:19 PM) *
(I mean, having God in the world's people's heads hasn't exactly made it heaven on earth, has it?)

QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 18 2009, 07:22 AM) *
How many times has the propaganda on our own airwaves said, God is commanding (fill in blank) to kill

without a God,and without the devil (one leaves with the other), I think life would be much better.

I can see your point now, graham ....

And so ...
Livyjr
QUOTE(rla @ Oct 18 2009, 06:29 AM) *
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 18 2009, 06:45 AM) *

When "GOD" has been totally negated as rla has managed to do, graham, and yourself as well, that makes the killing a whole lot easier, not harder ....

If there is no God, graham, then who shall stop the strong from devouring the weak?

If there is no God, graham, then the thought that the meek shall inherit the earth is but a pipedream ....

And so ...

Within the US, there is less crime in states where there is less religion.

In the world there is less crime in the nations where there is less religion...



People are going to start calling you THE GREAT CONFLATER in here, rla ....

CONFLATE: confuse; to combine into a composite whole ....

- Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary

You are conflating religion and a belief in God, rla ....

They are not at all the same .....

If you have knowledge of God, then what on earth do you need a religion for?

GOD said don't put FALSE PROPHETS before him ....

That negates religion as far as I am concerned ....

And as far as crime, there is very little of it in Saudi Arabia, a highly religious country .....

Here in GODLESS America, on the other hand, there is quite a bit of it ...

And so ...
rla
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 18 2009, 02:47 PM) *
QUOTE(rla @ Oct 18 2009, 06:29 AM) *
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 18 2009, 06:45 AM) *

When "GOD" has been totally negated as rla has managed to do, graham, and yourself as well, that makes the killing a whole lot easier, not harder ....

If there is no God, graham, then who shall stop the strong from devouring the weak?

If there is no God, graham, then the thought that the meek shall inherit the earth is but a pipedream ....

And so ...

Within the US, there is less crime in states where there is less religion.

In the world there is less crime in the nations where there is less religion...



People are going to start calling you THE GREAT CONFLATER in here, rla ....

CONFLATE: confuse; to combine into a composite whole ....

- Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary

You are conflating religion and a belief in God, rla ....

They are not at all the same .....

If you have knowledge of God, then what on earth do you need a religion for?

GOD said don't put FALSE PROPHETS before him ....

That negates religion as far as I am concerned ....

And as far as crime, there is very little of it in Saudi Arabia, a highly religious country .....

Here in GODLESS America, on the other hand, there is quite a bit of it ...

And so ...


I could buy that distinction, so long as Scripture is classified as part of religion and God is limited to the individual
person's spiritual experience...
Livyjr
QUOTE(rla @ Oct 18 2009, 05:48 PM) *
I could buy that distinction, so long as Scripture is classified as part of religion and God is limited to the individual person's spiritual experience...

We have COMMON GROUND, rla ...

I am with you here across the board .....

The one is the one and the other is the other and the twain are not at all the same ....

Scripture DOES NOT speak for God ....

God speaks for God ....

And so ...

Livyjr
It is scripture that allows the killing, rla ....

Not God ....

At least in my experience of both ....

And I take the word of God in my ear above that of words in a book ....

And so ...

rla
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 19 2009, 05:17 AM) *
QUOTE(rla @ Oct 18 2009, 05:48 PM) *
I could buy that distinction, so long as Scripture is classified as part of religion and God is limited to the individual person's spiritual experience...

We have COMMON GROUND, rla ...

I am with you here across the board .....

The one is the one and the other is the other and the twain are not at all the same ....

Scripture DOES NOT speak for God ....

God speaks for God ....

And so ...


Neither Scripture nor human agents speak for God. Only God speaks for God. Persons may speak to each other
about their individual communion with God but no Persons may speak to other Persons for God...

I propose this as a Constitutional Amendment for our humanitarian constitutional democratic republic with an
open market economy...
rla
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 19 2009, 05:19 AM) *
It is scripture that allows the killing, rla ....

Not God ....

At least in my experience of both ....

And I take the word of God in my ear above that of words in a book ....

And so ...


Scripture not only allows for killing, it prescribes it...
Livyjr
QUOTE(rla @ Oct 19 2009, 07:25 AM) *
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 19 2009, 05:17 AM) *

QUOTE(rla @ Oct 18 2009, 05:48 PM) *

I could buy that distinction, so long as Scripture is classified as part of religion and God is limited to the individual person's spiritual experience...

We have COMMON GROUND, rla ...

I am with you here across the board .....

The one is the one and the other is the other and the twain are not at all the same ....

Scripture DOES NOT speak for God ....

God speaks for God ....

And so ...



Neither Scripture nor human agents speak for God.

Only God speaks for God.

Persons may speak to each other about their individual communion with God but no Persons may speak to other Persons for God...

I propose this as a Constitutional Amendment for our humanitarian constitutional democratic republic with an open market economy...



Works for me, rla ....

But it is so simple that you would think that it would go without saying .....

But I guess not ....

And so ...
Livyjr
QUOTE(rla @ Oct 19 2009, 07:26 AM) *
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 19 2009, 05:19 AM) *

It is scripture that allows the killing, rla ....

Not God ....

At least in my experience of both ....

And I take the word of God in my ear above that of words in a book ....

And so ...

Scripture not only allows for killing, it prescribes it...


Let us say that it helps to direct it ...
rla
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 19 2009, 02:58 PM) *
QUOTE(rla @ Oct 19 2009, 07:26 AM) *
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 19 2009, 05:19 AM) *

It is scripture that allows the killing, rla ....

Not God ....

At least in my experience of both ....

And I take the word of God in my ear above that of words in a book ....

And so ...

Scripture not only allows for killing, it prescribes it...


Let us say that it helps to direct it ...


This is the kind of problem that the relatively new science of Neuroanthropology might tackle...
Livyjr
Indeed, rla ....

Can you tell us more?
rla
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 21 2009, 05:13 PM) *
Indeed, rla ....

Can you tell us more?


I'll tackle this on Magmak1's thread on Neuroanthropology tomorrow...It's my bedtime now...
http://.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/ir
Livyjr
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 11 2009, 02:05 PM) *
Livy-I don't think there is one set answer

and 2009 is different than the 60s and 70s, when there were no rules back then

I never, ever thought in the 1990s that there would be a war (now two of them, maybe soon 3 or 4) that way again.

Never.

I missed this post of yours earlier, somehow, graham ....
Livyjr
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 11 2009, 02:05 PM) *
Is Bob Kerrey (not John but Bob) considered in your mind a murderer for what he did?

I don't know what he did, graham, so I can't say ....

But if he was out there killing civilians or people guarding their own homes and families and property, then I would have to say yes ....

And so ...
Livyjr
QUOTE(heart @ Oct 11 2009, 07:00 PM) *
I have been in the situation and I can tell you that at the time, it was not murder for me, but survival.

In the case where you are shooting at innocent civilians and you have no choice then I can't conclude it is murder but it is wrong for the country to send you to do that.

Is there ever a case where "survival" depends on shooting and killing innocent civilians?

Thank carefully on that, graham ....

Think Katrina and NO ....

People who you said were merely looking for dry ground ....

And so ...
graham4anything
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 22 2009, 07:03 AM) *
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 11 2009, 02:05 PM) *
Is Bob Kerrey (not John but Bob) considered in your mind a murderer for what he did?

I don't know what he did, graham, so I can't say ....

But if he was out there killing civilians or people guarding their own homes and families and property, then I would have to say yes ....

And so ...


he admitted to war crime atrocities in a book a few years ago from his time in Vietnam
something about it takes killing a village...
graham4anything
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 22 2009, 07:07 AM) *
QUOTE(heart @ Oct 11 2009, 07:00 PM) *
I have been in the situation and I can tell you that at the time, it was not murder for me, but survival.

In the case where you are shooting at innocent civilians and you have no choice then I can't conclude it is murder but it is wrong for the country to send you to do that.

Is there ever a case where "survival" depends on shooting and killing innocent civilians?

Thank carefully on that, graham ....

Think Katrina and NO ....

People who you said were merely looking for dry ground ....

And so ...



it wouldn't have been murder in my mind if that nice professor in Mass. would have killed that rogue cop who likes to drink beer
Livyjr
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 22 2009, 05:11 AM) *
something about it takes killing a village...

YUP!

That is the American way of making peace and winning hearts and minds in a time of war, graham ....

Once they are all dead, they can't hate you for being in their land where you don't belong ....

And so ...
graham4anything
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 22 2009, 07:14 AM) *
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 22 2009, 05:11 AM) *
something about it takes killing a village...

YUP!

That is the American way of making peace and winning hearts and minds in a time of war, graham ....

Once they are all dead, they can't hate you for being in their land where you don't belong ....

And so ...



seems Mr. BOB Kerrey (not John) needed to cleanse his soul before attempting to run for President

then parlayed that into a plumb job as head of the New School in NYC, even though he is not from NY

and even though he was part of the cabal that gave us the "OFFICIAL STORY" of 9/11
graham4anything
would you charge Michael Jackson's doctor with a crime?

when he would have just found any scores of others, to coin a phrase
Magmak1
Consider and compare, discuss (or refuse to acknowledge):

the alleged actions of a doctor of unknown nature and quality in a case dealing with a Hollywood celebrity known to have serious medical, addictive and psychological problems;

the supposed social-duty failure of an individual who chooses not to get a flu shot and sneezes on someone and they theoretically die from flu versus the prospectus of forced vaccination with side-effects of a nasty neurological nature;

the suggested violence of an individual confronted by a cop;

the actions of armor-clad riot troops with tear gas, eardrum-damaging sound, and the demeaning posturing of citizens;

the actions of a Nobel Peace prize winner in ordering the predatory assassination of people from the air;

the aggressive actions of a rogue state attempting to hide its war crimes;

the use of phosphorus, depleted uranium, flechettes and more on civilians.




Livyjr
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 22 2009, 05:13 AM) *
it wouldn't have been murder in my mind if that nice professor in Mass. would have killed that rogue cop who likes to drink beer

Obama likes to drink beer, too, graham ....

He was swilling the stuff on TV along with the rogue cop you are on about and "SHINEY TEETH" Joe Biden, who was also swilling some beer along with the mouthy Harvard professor, who was putting down some suds, as well ....

Obama thinks that the best way to resolve racial differences, graham, is to do it over beer ....

So I'm surprised to hear that you yourself are not drinking the stuff ....

And so ...
Livyjr
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 22 2009, 05:24 AM) *
.... seems Mr. BOB Kerrey (not John) needed to cleanse his soul .....

I can certainly understand the need for that at some point in one's life, graham ...
graham4anything
the hatriots are now mouthpieces for Rushlimbo

truely amazing how they have alighned with Rush
Livyjr
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 22 2009, 05:29 AM) *
would you charge Michael Jackson's doctor with a crime?

I have no clue about Michael Jackson's doctor, graham ....

Nor about Michael Jackson, for that matter ....

What did the dude do that he should be charged with a crime for?

Is he the one who stole Michael Jackson's nose?

And so ...
graham4anything
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 22 2009, 02:59 PM) *
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 22 2009, 05:29 AM) *
would you charge Michael Jackson's doctor with a crime?

I have no clue about Michael Jackson's doctor, graham ....

Nor about Michael Jackson, for that matter ....

What did the dude do that he should be charged with a crime for?

Is he the one who stole Michael Jackson's nose?

And so ...


they are going to get him on some drug charge or another but someone like MJ needed a family intervention because
he just would have got another doctor if one said no
Livyjr
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 22 2009, 12:55 PM) *
the hatriots are now mouthpieces for Rushlimbo

truely amazing how they have alighned with Rush

I'll say it is, graham ...

HATRIOT: someone who loves Barack Hussein Obama but hates the United States of America ....

- People's New World Dictionary

And so ...
Livyjr
QUOTE(Magmak1 @ Oct 22 2009, 09:27 AM) *
Consider and compare, discuss (or refuse to acknowledge):

the alleged actions of a doctor of unknown nature and quality in a case dealing with a Hollywood celebrity known to have serious medical, addictive and psychological problems;

the supposed social-duty failure of an individual who chooses not to get a flu shot and sneezes on someone and they theoretically die from flu versus the prospectus of forced vaccination with side-effects of a nasty neurological nature;

the suggested violence of an individual confronted by a cop;

the actions of armor-clad riot troops with tear gas, eardrum-damaging sound, and the demeaning posturing of citizens;

the actions of a Nobel Peace prize winner in ordering the predatory assassination of people from the air;

the aggressive actions of a rogue state attempting to hide its war crimes;

the use of phosphorus, depleted uranium, flechettes and more on civilians.

To me, those are all separate topics or issues ...
Livyjr
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 11 2009, 02:05 PM) *
magmak is right.

I wasn'tthere, after deferrments would have ended, after all that, if it came to it, probably I would have gone up to our Canadian neightbors.

And if you had, graham, I wouldn't disrespect you for it ....

And so ...
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