I always knew LBJ was human
I always knew LBJ had a BIGGGGGGGGGGGG heart
I always knew LBJ cared deeply about many many issues I care about

and now finally, the truth is out and we see what a great, human, caring, passionate man Mr. LBJ was

a man with emotions
a man who was tough
but a man who was deeply human and humane
A sensative, passionate man.

I am glad the truth is now known.

God Blessed us when God gave us Lyndon Johnson.

Thank God for that.

At America's lowest points, like in Nov. 1963, and in Nov. 2008, God seems to put the right person in the right place at the right time to pick up the fragmented pieces and attempt to put them back together again.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!

OH HO HO HO HO OH HO .....

Omigod, graham, that was surely a good one .....

You can tell some good jokes, that is for sure, but this one is right up there at the top of the charts .....

And so ...

No Livyjr, this is a case where Graham is right. LBJ (unlike you I guess) was a flawed human being. He was quite flawed and his flaws were obvious. His great tragedy and mistake was Vietnam. But he was one of those politicians who on the whole at least attempted to give more than they got. And LBJ spotted the moral importance of some big events of his time and knew what he needed to do to make things better.

Totally agree.

The tragedy of Vietnam was borne of his vanity in not wanting to be the first Prez to lose a war (even though he did not start it).

I will forever remember LBJ as the south-facing end of a north-bound horse ....

And so ...

In my considered opinion, LBJ, the SOB, knew how to play the game and appear to be communicating empathy
and respect but it was almost totally lacking in genuineness. He was a major user of people and institutions and just
about totally lacking in personal integrity. A lot of the things he did in further developing and initiating Kennedy's program were the right things to do but even here he often did them for the wrong reasons and managed to build in enough political curuption to sometimes out weigh the good...

He was not a paragon of integrity, but he had a good heart.

Rla, I think half of what you say here is simply totally off base. I think some older liberals simply can't let go of their hatred for this man who actually did a lot to help advance progress in this country...

Lemmmeeesseeee now,

Aside from The Civil and Voting Rights Acts, he put the warning on cigarettes, started HEW, passed Medicare and Medicaid, War on Poverty...

I believe his administration passed about 100 major pieces of legislation.

how many do you want?

That sounds like a description of Barack Hussain Obama ....

How uncanny ...

And so ...

Let me see now ....

Oh, yes ...

HE LIED TO THE NATION ABOUT VIET NAM ....

Through his teeth, of course ....

And that advanced progress in this country ....

And so ...

he was lied to

as every single president it appears is lied to by the military people

LBJ had the military lie for him, graham ....

LBJ was the LIAR IN CHIEF ....

Those military men were his subordinate liars ....

LBJ became the template for all the lying U.S. presidents who followed him ....

Including his fellow Texan George W. Bush, who was as much of a horse's ass-end as LBJ was ....

And so ...

(U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert) McNamara's trip to Saigon (July 1965) raised the level of congressional interest in Vietnam.

While (U.S. Army General and Chairman of the United States Joint Chiefs of Staff Earle) Wheeler was away with McNamara, the other chiefs met with members of the House Armed Services Committee in Chairman L. Mendel River's office.

The representatives wanted the JCS to provide them with a comprehensive estimate of the amount of force that the war would ultimately require.

IF THE CHIEFS ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS DIRECTLY AND HONESTLY, THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO FOIL THE PRESIDENT'S PLANS FOR "SOFTENING UP" THE PUBLIC AND THE CONGRESS UPON MCNAMARA'S RETURN FROM SAIGON.

"COACH" JOHNSON (President Lyndon Baines Johnson) WOULD HAVE BEEN PROUD OF HIS "TEAM" (the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the United States military, to include the Commandant of the United States Marine Corps).

When the representatives asked if mobilization was necessary, the officers avoided answering.

ALTHOUGH HAROLD JOHNSON (United States Army Chief) HAD ALREADY NOTIFIED MAJOR ARMY COMMANDERS TO PREPARE FOR A ONE-YEAR MOBILIZATION OF RESERVE UNITS AND HAD OUTLINED TO THEM A SPECIFIC PROGRAM FOR INCREASING THE STRENGTH OF THE ARMY BY SIXTY-THREE BATTALIONS, THE ARMY CHIEF TOLD THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT HE "DIDN'T REALLY KNOW" WHAT HIS REQUIREMENT WAS "NOW OR IN THE FUTURE."

After repeated questioning Johnson replied that some 250,000 U.S. troops would be needed in Vietnam - ABOUT HALF THE NUMBER HE PRIVATELY BELIEVED WOULD BE NECESSARY TO END THE WAR ON TERMS FAVORABLE TO THE UNITED STATES AND SOUTH VIETNAM.

McConnell refused to estimate the number of men the Air Force would require to satisfy the demands of the war.

McDonald said that the Navy would require 40,000 more sailors, but did not state whether the increase would require mobilization of reserve forces.

ALTHOUGH (United States Marine Corps Commandant) GREENE BELIEVED THAT THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS MUST HAVE DEDUCED FROM THE DISCUSSION THE NEED FOR MOBILIZATION, THE CHIEFS NEVER MADE THAT REQUIREMENT EXPLICIT.

Near the end of the meeting, one of the legislators asked Greene directly how many men would be needed to win the war in Vietnam.

Amid the confusing and contradictory estimates of his colleagues, however, Greene's estimate of FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND made no visible impression on the legislators.

- Pages 309,310, Dereliction of Duty - Lyndon Johnson, Robert McNamara, The Joint Chiefs of Staff, AND THE LIES THAT LED TO VIET NAM by H.R. McMaster ......

"After tomorrow, those goddamn Kennedy's will never embarrass me again - that's no threat, that's a promise." Lyndon Baines Johnson November 21 1963

I think LBJ was a decent man too, who wanted to do the right thing and had the balls to push his agenda with arm twisting and strength! I wish there was more of that in Obama.

Yes, he had his problems and he made some bad decisions, but if you take out the Vietnam War, he was a good president.

I was a High School Counselor in a rural N. Ga. Mountain School in 1963-65. I worked free the first half of summer
break getting a Job Corp Grant funded and in operation as part of the War on poverty program. It worked great at first. It took less than a year for the bureaucrats to take it over and run it in the ground...I witnessed this pattern
for much of the War on Poverty programs Nationally...

Not on subject but saw this article and wanted Graham to see it...{lease do not post response Graham it is just for your info.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-m-gil...k_b_339026.html

A New Wrinkle in the JFK Assassination Story


Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-m-gil...k_b_339026.html

Very consistent with my perception/conception of LBJ. I was in graduate school at the time JFK was shot, after
having served 4 years in the Navy, attended undergraduate school and taught school two years, so I have some direct experience with that time in History...

this indeed is on subject, and the reason I wrote this thread.

This prooves LBJ not only loved people, the US, the Kennedy's, but cared deeply about the threat the nation was under from the ones that Killed Kennedy.

This prooves LBJ had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with JFK's death, like the Bushies have attempted to smear him with.

I for one always knew that, and loved LBJ


and LBJ in my book in the to 5 greatest president in history.
I always thought after RFK died, LBJ should have gotten back in the race, he would have been a stronger candidate against Nixon, after all, his being on the ticket in 1960 was the edge that JFK needed to win.


LBJ was the one that DID. He was the one that got the things done. and Vietnam was Eisnehower's fault to begin with, not Kennedy's or LBJ's or Humphrey's or Nixon's for that matter.

HE CIRCUMVENTED THE CONSTITUTION ....

WHICH MEANS THAT HE VIOLATED HIS OATH OF OFFICE ....

WHICH IS WHAT MAKES HIM A HERO TO THE DEMOCRATS .....

DEMOCRATS DON'T LIKE THE CONSTITUTION ....

And so ...

you mean republicans

you think everyone violated the consittution

you shouldn't go hyperbolic, because it ruins your credibility on the other issues where you have it.

G4A, I thought you liked hyperbolic...

I liked this comment from the link...
All this tells me is that Johnson had nothing to do with the JFK assassination and was, rightly, concerned that it was a conspiracy. If he was behaving hysterically as is being said here, it is probably due to the shock of the President's assassination and just plain fear. Sounds human to me. Then he collected himself and went on to do his job.


LBJ was a very flawed man, but when it was time to do the right thing (Civil Rights Act) he did it....

that's right
that article tells us alot and proves he was a caring, feeling man, and he had nothing to do with JFK.

I also remember how angry my grampa was at him for signing that bill...
It was the end for the Dixiecrats.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder...

takes a strong leader to do what's right for the country, over his personal or party well being

Though maybe he thought the people down there would have gotten over it.

Not to bring Obama into this, but if Obama acted like LBJ, who knows how much good might come...on the other hand
LBJ did not have todays 24/7/365 what passes for media now.

Obama is very relevant!
I voted for him and was worried that he might be a leftie...
In any case he was a better choice than McCain.
Now I just wish he would get busy and do something.

LBJ was not a Liberal...he just played one on TV...

Bring out the violins for Landslide Lyndon.

I respect him for the Civil Rights Act.

I respect him for his decision not to run for reelection in 1968.

I respect Ladybird for planting all the cherry blossoms in Washington D.C.

May he rest in peace.

graham ....

Dear gentle graham ....

LBJ circumvented the Constitution ....

It is right there in writing by someone who heavily researched the matter and is considered an expert on it ....

In fact, that book was on the required reading list for the joint chiefs of staff ....

And so ...

What I find exceedingly interesting, graham, is this push to rehabilitate the Texas jackass Lyndon Baines Johnson after all these years since that donkey has been gone from American politics, and good riddance ....

WHY NOW?

WHAT IS THE DEAL HERE?

WHY ARE THE DEMOCRATS NOW TRYING TO REHABILITATE LBJ?

And so ....

LBJ lied ....

And young Americans died for it ....

And so ...

Not all Democrats are trying to rehabilitate LBJ...

Well, he's fixin' to, anyway ....

As soon as he is sure that he can get it right ....

And so ...

Well, it is clear that you are not, rla ....

But you seem to be distinctly into the minority on that .....

And so ...

actually, I have been saying this on this board from day one

It's one of the things me and arneoker agree on

I have no credibility, nor do I say I do...
I am nothing
I can't be filed, labeled, numbered because I am not part of you or them

I am just me

therefore I can't be .........................anything but Joe nobody

not my fault usually I am right

but nobody paid me. Nor can they
(although you can still send in the offers...)

You are graham, graham ....

The prophet graham ....

EVERYBODY knows that, even if they don't know anything else ...

The words of the prophet graham are written in the halls of CGCS ....

And so ...

Graham is the walrus.

You mean he didn't sound like a rutabaga or a power inverter to you?

maybe the bathroom walls
(for a good time)...

and you can call me ray

Johnson's rise to power through Speaker of the House to Vice President to President ushered in the culture of corruption in the federal government that continues to expand. The damage that Reagan did to the system was in a different domain of elevating the power of the elite and making the system more politically conservative to restrict the progress that minority groups had made under Kennedy and Johnson.

the whole issue of acorn is to stop minorities from voting
and not one fake vote was ever cast as the system caught the couple of votes as it should.

There are probably at least 10 million minority CITIZENS who cannot vote nationwide for fake reasons

I don't disagree with that at all...what I am saying is that we have two very significant systemic porblems...
one is the restrictions on individual liberty and access and the other is corruption within the government and its contractors. LBJ helped on the first and harmed on the second...

Arneoker ....

Our panel of judges has just awarded you the prize for today's most enigmatic post in here for this post of yours right above here ....

You will be receiving shortly in the mail a very handsome trophy and a walnut plaque with a brass plate attesting to your prowess at coming up with enigmatic posts in here ......

And so ....

Let me be the first to offer you congratulations on this honor, Arneoker ....

And so ...

You mean I beat you? I was emulating you with that one!

And in this regard, Obama is beginning to look like LBJ...