What does being "linked to terrorism" mean anyway? Does it imply some kind of conspiracy, working with some kind of group? Or can "terrorism" be perpetrated by a loner?

So it was suspicious that the 911 story never changed? And then when it did change that was suspicious?

from the first day they said it was OBL and 19 bumblers doing that Israeli style hit

it never changed
because they got that spin out there immediate

even though real eyewitness' are wrong each and every time and eyewitness' don't ever say the same thing

anyone off message that day has never been heard from again

in actuallity a random act of violence is more scary than a political terror thingydingy

because a political terror thingydingy has a reason, so it is explained, which leads to closure
which should just be ignored

remember, Begin in Israel and Sadat was a terrorist even Mandala was treated as one by his country
today's terrorist is tomorrows freedom fighter is tomorrows leader of the country

whereas a crazy person, like the clan that killed the wife and baby of the Holocaust survivor Roman Polanski, that was scary, because it can happen
anytime and anywhere random without reason
more scary

and, if the armed forces story is correct

THIS IS GEORGE W. BUSH'S FAULT, as BUSH WAS PRESIDENT IN 2008 when they knewydewied about it.

I wouldn't presume to speak for anyone but myself and frankly I don't yet know what the situation is...

Well in my memory it was a few days before that story solidified (sans the silly adjective). But hey, you have a good mantra, go with it!

I could comment more on this particular point but while I am home today I promised my wife I'd some errands which will involve some Israeli-style precision driving...

If a terrorist can reform why can't a crazy person? What if they are one and the same?

This guy seemed to have had problems, and he seemed to want to deal with his problems by a lethal expression of his political views. Is that terrorism? Depends on the definition of terrorism.

Can one incident of inflicting terror reasonably be termed terrorism?

Under what set of conditions would a terriorist act constitute asymetrical warfare?

Is every act of inflicting terror considered terriorism?

yeah, it's way hard to accept i was giving a direct reply to a direct post asking my opinion. as long as i am putting forth my opinion AS MY OPINION, it is not demagoguery. that line is crossed when you peddle your opinion as an universal truth

you're damn right i'm theorizing - just as i said. want to repeat that couple more times?

since i lack the reports from people on scene and authorities, it would be wrong for ME to call it divining universal truth. not so with YOU?

that reminds me of 'let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be...'

NO Problem from me.

When I theorize, i just look at what seems logical and not logical.

As you may or may not know, I believe with magmak about 9-11.
I believe since visiting Texas, that the Oswald being the shooter is impossible and beyond reason from where he was and the direction of the car
and all.

As for swine flu I do not believe the vaccine is tainted, logic shows as no one is dying in USA from vaccine, that the vaccine is safe.
As for the mixed flu theory in Ukrane, I just find the timing suspect on that.

As for this incident, this is an American citizen, NOT an illegal alien, not from Iraq or Iran or Afghanastan or Saudi A. or anyplace but America.

I do not believe he is involved in terrorism under his own free will.

And if the media is telling the truth (ha ha ha ha ha), the authority was aware of him more than a year ago, which would mean the President
was W Bush back then.

Yes, alot of people bullied don't resort to violence. Some though do.
Some who are bullied are smart people (a doctor must be smart to become a doctor) so they could methodically cold calculating devise a plan
and still be "nuts".

and I believe manchurians exist.

and I have no problem with what you said, as I said, I was backingyour view here not arguing at all.

I welcome the back and forth (and do not though apologize for being a quick typer on the computer or a typewriter, so I can answer quickly,
yes, sometimes I answer too quick).

hey, but look, how superb his post is!

g4a says:

1) hassan is the victim -

either things are upside down in his universe and/or murdering people are what he calls 'victims (like a color blind may call a red thing green, or you can teach a parrot to call a table 'love')
we shall attribute the subject a sertain predicate, S is P, Hassan is victim (doesn't matter what you say exactly, it could be: blabla is slaplap, itäs a statement, nobody said it has to have anything to do with real world, it can be a void statement; you can say "unicorn has four legs">"unicourn is four-legged", S is P - it's a statement, but unicorns don't exist, so it's empty)

2)Hassan is 'kind, gentle, ill soul'

- look above.

note, how g4a MAKES CLAIMS without any supporting evidence, 'hassan is kind' - does he know the guy? his murdering his fellow soldiers makes him 'kind, gentle' in g4a's book? wow, don't want to be in that book, then, don't call me kind and gentle - as far as i'm concerrned kind and gentle people don't do such stuff

but again, we do not know how g4a defines both 'kind' and 'gentle, maybe that's exactly what these mean to him, we just havent unnderstood. maybe that S is P here is

'vile murderer' is 'kind' and 'murdering bastard' is 'gentle'?

maybe we're doing him injustice considering his revelations despicable and his character questionable? maybe he supercedes us in every human grace?

3) hassan's attributes 'victim', 'kind, gentle, ill,, soul' somehow demand respect, these entitle him our respect

now, that is interesting - see, even if we grant g4a uses different sets of characters to describe something, their essence still stays the same so NO MATTER HOW WE TRY, g4a STILL IMPLIES MULTIPLE HOMICIDE IS SOMETHING THAT ENTITLES RESPECT FROM OTHER PEOPLE!!!

4) the other troops bullied hassan, the other troops calleed him names

i want his sources of unquestionable authority, i would no longer need news.
was he there?
hearsay now a fact?
who is credible and who removed likelihood from credibility?

5) fellow troops broke hassan, and additionally united states of america COLLECTIVELY broke hassan

aren't his fellow troops part of usa that they have to be mentioned separately?

oh, btw, next time you go hunting for groceries, do not forget to lecture every newborn you see on being responsible for what hassan did.

sounds absurd? well, if all usa broke hassan, all are included. unless, g4a claim is not true... but he, using demagoguery and lies.... unthinkable?

cause they had nothing better to do and whole universe up to the pont of facing investigation revolved around hassan's belly-button.

yeah, hassan was not an adult, he wouldn't ever figure out how to seek counsel and his INACTIONS are also justified

for the rest of the world that uses penal code of local variety, people take responsibility for their actions. hassan is exempted

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and you, the reader, are left to carry the weight of bothering to notice these inherent insinuations

also with the weight of pointing these out


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it can be rather interesting to read what he states as truth in his posts. if you notice

unless there is some hidden data about americans being different species, cannot really agree

from all i've seen, high school graduates are pretty ready as personalities nor does army training influence that to a notable degree

attitudes stem from home - if your haven't been instilled with sense of duty, honour (yes, i'm intentionally using these that are connected to descriptives of military first), respect for others, love, caring BY the time you get to high school, it's too late to blame the lack on successive military training

can't really excuse personality flaws by anything applied that late

raising is what is done PRIOR to military establishment

the latter is training and EMPLOYMENT

my former boss i belive rather stupid - that excuse for me? yes? no?

the man is a human being

all human beings are kind and gentle

society causes change in people (whether its a mother / father/ spouse/ friend/ or situation)

the man is obviously smart (as he is a doctor)

the man obviously loves the USA (as he VOLUNTEERED) for its army

the man loves to help other human beings (as he is a mind healing doctor)

the man loves God (as he is religious)

what part of that is not self-explanatory?

the man snapped...he did so for one of only a few reasons

1 he is a manchurian so he knows not what he did (and a back story in the press is being created for him, that NO ONE knows is even true
2 we only know he is the one alleged to have done it from the media/government
3 he snapped because of life
4 he snapped because he did not want to go overseas and this was his odd way out

as there is NO incident in his past to say he is abusive to anyone, that makes him kind and gentle in my book

all that was said was he didn't return a few calls (and maybe he was doing something important because of it)

...
or maybe he watched one too many violent movies as opposed to seeing a few boobs on the air as America loves its violence yet doesn't allow its people to see a little nudity or something

Just the treatment of this ALLEGED perp after the fact shows he is being abused.

Obviously a few more big hugs to him, and maybe he would be better.

love is all one needs after all.

Does anything really change if you put him to death and never find out exactly why he did it?

i must go now, but i try to dissect your post in my way by saturday, local

it is interesting when you permit insight to the way you think

a question I find interesting to have answered is

why is it so important for the fox rightwing to have it named terrorism in the first place?
(except to promote hate against a group, and get us into more war at just the time Obama wants to gget out)

why when Mcveigh did it, was it NOT called terrorism, yet the day before he was caught, same people were saying it was

I do believe the word terrorism has been co-opted by the bush loving side to signify lets kill and kill some more of THEM terrorists

and finally
why did Bush let all the people they had captured or round up in afghanastan go back in 2003? now they want 40,000 more US troops to recapture what they already had
makes no sense except perfect senes to me

I think every "real" person is good or has it in them to be good again

I think the real evil is the Bushfamily and extended arms of them, because I think they are bad people with no heart or soul in any of them,
but their ultimate goal (more more more $ $ $ and power power power) as said I think one can draw a line to every bad event and there would
be a line leading to Bush41 in it. (including putting power in OBL way back in Kuwait war, he is a creation of the bushies/CIA(which 41 is head CIA man)

This person the other day, unless "manchurianed" is not part of that game, he has no power

It is one of the reasons I do not beleieve the "terrorists" did 9-11 nor beheaded most of those who were beheaded, because it makes no logical sense.
It happened at the wrong time.
Only one who ever benefits from this is the war machine not the people in this country nor Muslims for that matter either.

(does it make sense for a Muslim to kill others and give Muslims a bad name, just to stop from having to kill Muslims? The logic makes no sense,
if we go more heavy into war, more Muslims will die because of this person than before...

anyone remember a few years ago or so

The killings at the Luby's restaurant, which coincidentally enough was just down the road apiece from this Ft.Hood.

It was a white Christian who did it.

I think 27 people died or something.

Not one person called him a fundamentalist extremeist white christian ...why is that???

(cue in the Boomtown Rats..."I don't like Monday's")

pure and simple the Joe Liebermans' of the world are attempting to use this to do what our own poster Marine advocated a hundred times on the board
from this tragedy

but nobody advocated that after the Luby's shootings...

it's as plain as black and white to me.

When you are as prejudiced as you are you see everything as black and white...

http://thelastcrusade.org/2009/10/25/how-i...quered-america/

HOW ISLAM CONQUERED AMERICA

Posted by thelastcrusade - October 25th, 2009

If you’re willing to become alarmed, read Shorrosh’s analysis and think about what has happened since 2003, and how accurate his predictions are already proving to be so far in the year 2997:

1. Terminate America’s freedom of speech by replacing it with statewide and nationwide hate-crime bills.

2. Wage a war of words using black leaders like Louis Farrakhan, Rev. Jesse Jackson and other visible religious personalities who promote Islam as the religion of African-Americans while insisting Christianity is for whites only. What they fail to tell African-Americans is that it was Arab Muslims who captured them and sold them as slaves. In fact, the Arabic word for black and slave is the same, ”Abed.”

People who know me are aware that I am not a fan of any religion. I say that I tolerate others who have spiritual beliefs and affiliations with various mythology, though I don't necessary respect that behavior. In fact, I believe that religion is a coping behavior invented by humans progressively over time, and that today's progression is intellect that can confront savage reality more directly.

The article that I post here is one that suggests that there is a conspiracy afoot to usurp American freedom by an Islamic movement of sort. I don't believe for an instance that this is true, though I do think the article provokes thinking about the various issues and circumstances.

I am amused by the author's ability to concoct order from chaos.

#14 is a good one: “14. Nullify America’s sense of security by manipulating the intelligence community with misinformation. Periodically terrorize Americans with reports of impending attacks on bridges, tunnels, water supplies, airports, apartment buildings and malls.”

Fom what I heard Obama saying, graham, this guy's fate has already been determined ...

Obama could order a summary execution as Commander-in-Chief, I would say ....

And his defense lawyers will start screaming "UNDUE COMMAND INFLUENCE" if the dude is put on trial ....

So it is going to be interesting ....

And so ....

and of course, Obama will have to say go for it or look weak
same blackmail, all the time

Some things never change, graham ...

And so ...

But it sounded to me as if Obama had gotten there himself on his own, graham ....

And so ...

you know I think Obama should tell everyone to go f-it and become a member of SCOTUS

The dude just got there, graham ....

And he asked for it ...

So it's a bit early for him to take a powder by running and hiding over in the Supreme Court ........

And so ...

I don't think pondering that issue is going to be easy, because it's certainly unique and not much like anyone else's way of thinking I've ever known. My conclusion is that everyone has their own good qualities, and in the nature of "sitting around talking to the folks" as we do here, you take the good with the bad and the truths and falsities are apparent to all over a period of time. Graham is an interesting mix, and sometimes he's so over the top that it just makes me laugh.....and laughing is a good thing. Then again, he's one of the few to volunteer to help, has great music and acting knowledge and sometimes he's actually right.

I saw on TV where he assured his audience that the good Doctor was not only damned in this world but also in the next life. I thought that was somewhat beyond the realm of secular government...

American Al-Qaida Spokesman Urged "Shooting Spree" at U.S. Military Base in 2006 (November 2009)
In light of the Nov. 5 mass shooting incident at Ft. Hood, Texas, the NEFA Foundation is releasing an excerpt from a July 2006 propaganda video produced by Al-Qaida's As-Sahab Media Foundation to mark the first anniversary of the 7/7 suicide bombing attacks in London. Among other things, the video featured a recorded message from American Al-Qaida spokesman and California-native Adam Gadahn, who explicitly encouraged those with burning grievances against U.S. military actions in Iraq "to go on a shooting spree at the Marines' housing facilities at Camp Pendleton."

http://www.nefafoundation.org/multimedia-p...html#adamgadahn

NEFA: Ft. Hood Cleric Awlaki Urged Muslims to "Fight Against Government Armies" in July '09
By Evan Kohlmann

aulaqi.jpgThe NEFA Foundation has obtained a copy of an English-language online blog post from just this past summer by Shaykh Anwar al-Awlaki -- the Yemeni cleric suspected of influencing Ft. Hood shooter Maj. Malik Hasan -- titled, "Fighting Against Government Armies in the Muslim World."

In his message, dated July 14, 2009, al-Awlaki openly admonished his supporters, "there can be no Islam with the presence of these armies... These armies are the defenders of apostasy in the Muslim world. They fight against Sharia and kill the Muslims who attempt to bring it back. They are fighting on behalf of America against the mujahideen in Pakistan, Somalia and the Maghrib. If this is the case with these armies how could anyone place the blame on the ones who fight them, accusing them of fighting against Muslims?! What kind of twisted fiqh is this? The blame should be placed on the soldier who is willing to follow orders whether the order is to kill Muslims as in Swat, bomb Masjids as with the Red Masjid, or kill women and children as they do in Somalia... Blessed are those who fight against them and blessed are those shuhada [martyrs] who are killed by them."

A complete copy of Anwar al-Awlaki's manifesto urging Muslims to "fight against government armies" can be downloaded from the NEFA Foundation website.
November 11, 2009 12:14 PM Link

http://counterterrorismblog.org/2009/11/ne..._awlaki_urg.php

Afghan Taliban Celebrate Massacre at Ft. Hood
By Evan Kohlmann

nefadadullahsahab.jpgThe NEFA Foundation has obtained and translated a new communique from the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan (the Taliban) in response to the massacre at Ft. Hood, Texas that killed 13 people. In a statement titled, "The Attack In Texas Is A Proof On The Disagreement Among American Soldiers Over The War", the Taliban celebrated the "fight and trance and enormous fears within the military and civil circles in America" caused by the incident. The Taliban noted, "the hero of the attack is the Muslim psychiatrist in the rank of Major in the American Army, from Palestinian origin... Some of the Western organizations and media sources say—regarding the factors that made the American soldier Nidal Hasan carry this attack—it might be caused by psychological illness and stress, which spread amongst the soldiers in the battlefields in Afghanistan and Iraq... But, other specialists, next to these factors, diagnosed another special factor; that the oppression and the monstrosity and prisoner torture and air raids and general killing, carried out by the American army in Iraq and Afghanistan, have led to a situation of widespread dissonance and exhaustion between the American soldiers, and the American military bases. Maybe this incident was a reaction to these injustices, and disowning them." The Taliban statement further warned that if the U.S. fails to withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan "it will become normal for incidents and attacks similar to Texas’ to expand to the Pentagon and the rest of the American military bases, and it is inevitable that those with a spark of self-awareness to react with fundamentalist rebellion."

A complete English translation of the Taliban statement can be accessed on the NEFA Foundation website.
November 10, 2009 11:41 PM Link
http://counterterrorismblog.org/2009/11/af...brate_massa.php

NEFA: Backgrounder on Anwar al Awlaki
By Madeleine Gruen


This backgrounder on Anwar al Awlaki, written in February of this year, is now posted here for the first time.

U.S. government agencies are increasingly concerned about the ability of pro-Jihad ideologues to use the Internet to incite U.S.-based Muslims to conduct terrorist attacks. Indeed, there have been several terrorism cases in the years since 9/11 in which actors based in Western countries were influenced by lectures, writings, and videos downloaded from the Internet.

Anwar al Awlaki (a.k.a. Anwar al Aulaqi), an American who lives in Yemen, who is regarded as an Islamic scholar, may be a key player in Al-Qaida’s efforts to radicalize and incite American Muslims to commit terrorist acts.

A U.S. citizen, al Awlaki was born in New Mexico in 1971. After his father completed his college studies, the family returned to Yemen, where al Awlaki remained until 1991, then he came back to the U.S. to study for a B.S. in Civil Engineering at Colorado State University. He then went on to San Diego State University for a Master’s in Education Leadership. While in San Diego, he served as an imam at Rabat mosque. In 2001, he enrolled in a Ph.D. program in Human Resource Development at George Washington University, where he worked as the Muslim chaplain. At that time, he was also an imam at Dar Al Hijrah Islamic Center in Falls Church, VA. He left the U.S. in 2002 and lived in London,where he also gained a following. He moved to Yemen in 2004.

The rest of the report can be viewed here.
http://www.nefafoundation.org/miscellaneou...er_alawlaki.pdf
November 10, 2009 09:19 PM Link

Video: American Al-Qaida Spokesman Urged "Shooting Spree" at U.S. Military Base in 2006
By Evan Kohlmann

nefagadahn.jpgIn light of the Nov. 5 mass shooting incident at Ft. Hood, Texas, the NEFA Foundation has released an excerpt from a July 2006 propaganda video produced by Al-Qaida's As-Sahab Media Foundation to mark the first anniversary of the 7/7 suicide bombing attacks in London. Among other things, the video featured a recorded message from American Al-Qaida spokesman and California-native Adam Gadahn, who explicitly encouraged those with burning grievances against U.S. military actions in Iraq "to go on a shooting spree at the Marines' housing facilities at Camp Pendleton."

The video can be viewed on the NEFA Foundation website.
November 9, 2009 05:13 PM
http://www.nefafoundation.org/multimedia-p...html#adamgadahn

Breaking: Extremist Cleric Anwar al-Awlaki Endorses Ft. Hood Massacre: "Nidal Hassan Did the Right Thing"
By Evan Kohlmann

Extremist cleric Anwar al-Awlaki has just issued a new entry on his blog titled, "Nidal Hassan Did the Right Thing." Excerpts from the entry are reproduced in part below:

"Nidal Hassan is a hero. He is a man of conscience who could not bear living the contradiction of being a Muslim and serving in an army that is fighting against his own people. This is a contradiction that many Muslims brush aside and just pretend that it doesn’t exist. Any decent Muslim cannot live, understanding properly his duties towards his Creator and his fellow Muslims, and yet serve as a US soldier. The US is leading the war against terrorism which in reality is a war against Islam. Its army is directly invading two Muslim countries and indirectly occupying the rest through its stooges. Nidal opened fire on soldiers who were on their way to be deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. How can there be any dispute about the virtue of what he has done? In fact the only way a Muslim could Islamically justify serving as a soldier in the US army is if his intention is to follow the footsteps of men like Nidal. The heroic act of brother Nidal also shows the dilemma of the Muslim American community. Increasingly they are being cornered into taking stances that would either make them betray Islam or betray their nation. Many amongst them are choosing the former. The Muslim organizations in America came out in a pitiful chorus condemning Nidal’s operation. The fact that fighting against the US army is an Islamic duty today cannot be disputed. No scholar with a grain of Islamic knowledge can defy the clear cut proofs that Muslims today have the right -rather the duty- to fight against American tyranny. Nidal has killed soldiers who were about to be deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan in order to kill Muslims. The American Muslims who condemned his actions have committed treason against the Muslim Ummah and have fallen into hypocrisy... The inconsistency of being a Muslim today and living in America and the West in general reveals the wisdom behind the opinions that call for migration from the West. It is becoming more and more difficult to hold on to Islam in an environment that is becoming more hostile towards Muslims. May Allah grant our brother Nidal patience, perseverance and steadfastness and we ask Allah to accept from him his great heroic act. Ameen."

The full document is available from the NEFA Foundation website.
November 9, 2009 12:20 AM Link
http://counterterrorismblog.org/2009/11/br...cleric_anwa.php

This was an act of terrorism. We will have to deal with it.

Yes, of the BLOWBACK variety...

WHY is it so important for you to think that?
do you win a big bet?

why don't you explain to us, in 250 or MORE words, why you think it is

and I feel so bad for Mr. hasan, it is too bad America sucks so, that it broke this kind gentle man.
I don't condone what he done, but it is ashame, he was made to feel so useless by the troops and by the generals

I blame the others at the compound, and think they should go on trial so that they don't break another man this way

What was done to Mr. Hasan is just like torture at gitmo against other poor souls.

and to think this man is a flag wearing and loving AMERICAN

our troops are the terroists it appears.

on a related note-

all this wouldn't have happened had Al Gore been seated

Justice Sandra Dey Traitor O"connor said she no longer loses sleep anymore meaning she did lose sleep over her fraudulent judgement of 5 to 4

I hope Sandy baby loses sleep over the husband who died yesterday...
may sandy toss and turn and rot in hell someday
May she be in deep, deep pain over the suffering she feels for her husband, because America is in deep pain over her being bought out or blackmailed.

Yup, Sandy quit the court because of her husband's illness (he was already out of it, and she never left dc even thoughhe was moved

someday, while her husband is basking in the joys of heaven

sandybaby will be burning in hell

tossing and turning all night. losing sleep.

some music to dance by
Bobby Lewis
tossing and turning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghFBvBmXv4E

Hope ya happy sandy o'connor. American Taliban Terrorist Coup'd'etat traitor

there wouldn't be a war in Afghanastan or Iraq or Iran had the real winner been seated in 2000.

i don't see him as unique but rather... destructive; he doesn't make me laugh - he makes me sad. didn't goering also like good music? and wasn't hitler a vegetarian? someones likes aren't that crucial in judging someone's character than their acts. in his case, what he advocates.

life under his rules would be a misery

Merging comments scrambled the thread. My post originally followed graham's, like this.

Previously post #3,





Cleland (an unassailably brave and patriotic man) asserts the truth about 9/11 will be uncovered in 30-40 years following a new investigation when the type of stonewalling that resulted in his protest resignation is voided (see video). By inference, the terrorism narrative based on 9/11 remains unproven and may be fundamentally flawed. Proceed with caution before expanding that narrative.

The question is, How do we get beyond the evolutionary concepts of: person <--> family <-->
community <--> tribe <--> ?

During our development when human activity was confined to small spaces and face to face communication and human work/play activity was oriented around hunting and gathering food, the
human social systems evolved slowly over thousands of years so that Change, both within groups and
between groups was slow and incremental...

In today's modern human social systems, the rate of Change increased as we evolved into the
Aggrarian Age, increased at an even more rapid rate as we passed through the Industrial Age and
the rate of Change continues to explode as we proceed through the Information Age...

Increased Technology and Globilization places human beings in a world that has out grown our conception of Person, Family, Community and Tribe. We must re-define these concepts and make them our own...

Mass homicide is not considered an act of terrorism unless special conditions are met.

If it is true, as I've heard several times recently, that there are approximately 10 suicides per month at Fort Hood, then this case could be 'workplace violence' culminating in a failed attempt at so-called 'suicide by cop.' An impartial investigation is needed before any conlusions can be valid.

I said earlier that I don't know what to make of the situation and I still don't know what to make of
the situation. I think it is important to keep studying the local situation in the context of the world situation...I also think it is important that we don't get too fixated on the personality of any one player...Human beings are much much more alike than different...

I'm in complete agreement with you on this and must've missed your earlier post.

Focusing on Fort Hood Killer's Beliefs Is an Easy Out to Avoid the Deeper Reasons for the Massacre
by Mark Ames, AlterNet

http://www.alternet.org/media/143779/focus...r_the_massacre/

on posts I agree 100% with, I don't normally comment, because I am in agreement.
Just wanna say I agree 100% with you here, and its been ahwile since I have agreed with you like I used to.

The Ft. Hood Massacre Is George Bush's Fault
Thom Hartmann, The Smirking Chimp
World: If Al Gore (or even Ralph Nader) had been President in 2001, the Ft. Hood massacre almost certainly wouldn't have happened. Because George W. Bush was president, it did.

http://www.alternet.org/world/143893/the_f..._bush%27s_fault

IMO the answers will come from technology.
If we could create enough clean energy we could make greed obsolete..
The only way out is forward!