One of the many alerts that went out today from Gun Owners of America:
This is Crunch Time on ObamaCare
– Urge Senator Evan Bayh to tell Harry Reid “I’m not your puppet!”
Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
http://gunowners.org/ordergoamem.htm
Thursday, November 19, 2009
This week will be as important as any week in our lifetime in determining whether the anti-gun health care bill moves forward.
As a result of the mandates in the Senate bill, all of your gun-related health data can be dumped into a government database that was created in section 13001 of the stimulus bill. This includes any firearms-related information your doctor has gleaned . . . or any determination of PTSD, or something similar, that can preclude you from owning firearms.
The vote this week will be on shutting down a Republican filibuster of the bill. And the key votes will be five Democrats: Ben Nelson of Nebraska, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas, Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, and your very own Evan Bayh of Indiana.
The Senate and the House have a great tradition of conservative Democrats: Democratic Senators Jim Allen of Alabama, Harry Byrd, Jr., of Virginia, and (former Democratic) Congressman Virgil Goode of Virginia were, in their day, as pro-gun and fiscally responsible as any Republican.
The question is whether any conservative or even “moderate” Democrats survive, or whether we are left with a bunch of cowards who will do whatever their leftist leadership demands of them.
In the House, every evidence is that the so-called “Blue Dog Democrats” were nothing but a stable of Pelosi puppets. The Blue Dogs whined and complained about the deficit spending created by the bill, but when push came to shove, Pelosi was able to get just enough of the supposedly moderate Democrats to do her bidding and support her bill.
Is this the case in the Senate as well?
1) The “moderate” Democrats in the Senate have demanded seventy-two hours to examine any legislative language — and a CBO assessment based on final legislative language. They will not get this before this week’s vote. The question is whether they were serious.
2) The “moderate” Democrats in the Senate have demanded a bill which does not send the deficit spiraling into the stratosphere. The Reid bill will add over a hundred billion dollars to the deficit, when you consider the $210-247 Medicare “fix” Reid is trying to sneak through on separate legislation. It will add over A HALF A TRILLION DOLLARS TO THE DEFICIT IF YOU DISCOUNT THE PHONY MEDICARE “CUTS.” Was the promise worth the paper it was written on?
3) The “moderate” Democrats have promised a bill which will not tax the middle class. But the Reid bill will impose enormous costs and taxes -– not only on the middle class, but on the sick and elderly.
This is a week in which a handful of senators will make history. Will they be heroes and champions? Or liars and cowards? We will see.
They are being told that this is their chance to “make history.” But history seldom rewards those who break their word because they are frightened of their masters.
ACTION: Write Senator Evan Bayh. Tell him to vote against “cloture” on the “motion to proceed” to the Senate ObamaCare bill.
You can contact Senator Bayh by going to his webform at:
http://bayh.senate.gov/contact/email
—– Pre-written letter —–
Dear Senator Bayh:
This week will be as important as any week in our lifetime in determining whether the anti-gun health care bill moves forward.
As a result of the mandates in the Senate bill, all my gun-related health data can be dumped into a government database that was created in section 13001 of the stimulus bill. This includes any firearms-related information your doctor has gleaned . . . or any determination of PTSD, or something similar, that can preclude you from owning firearms.
The vote this week will be on shutting down a Republican filibuster of the motion to bring the bill up –- “cloture” on the “motion to proceed.”
The Senate and the House have a great tradition of conservative Democrats. The question is whether any conservative or even “moderate” Democrats will remain independent, or whether they will just do whatever their leftist leadership demands of them.
In the House, every evidence is that the so-called “Blue Dog Democrats” were nothing but a stable of Pelosi puppets. And the only question was which ones Pelosi would choose to dance at the end of their strings, and which would be allowed to lie crumpled up in the corner.
Is this the case in the Senate as well?
1) You have demanded seventy-two hours to examine any legislative language — and a CBO assessment based on final legislative language. You will not get this before this week’s vote. The question is whether you were serious.
2) You have demanded a bill which does not send the deficit spiraling into the stratosphere. The Reid bill will add over a hundred billion dollars to the deficit, when you consider the $210-247 Medicare “fix” Reid is trying to sneak through on separate Legislation (S. 1776).
It will add over A HALF A TRILLION DOLLARS TO THE DEFICIT IF YOU DISCOUNT THE PHONY MEDICARE “CUTS.” Was your promise worth the paper it was written on?
3) You have promised a bill which will not tax the middle class. But the Reid bill will impose enormous costs and taxes -– not only on the middle class, but on the sick and elderly. Did you mean what you said?
This is a week in which you will make history. Will you be a hero and a champion? Or a Reid puppet? I have faith that you will live up to your calling.
You are being told that this is your chance to “make history.” But history seldom rewards cowards who break their word because they are frightened by their “masters.”
Please, show me and the people who elected you that you are the hero we elected you to be. Vote against “cloture” on the anti-gun health care bill.
Full Version: Gun Alert on the Reid Bill:
Common Ground Common Sense > Issues that Affect Our Lives > Second Amendment, Gun Safety and Gun Control
QUOTE(Beamer @ Nov 19 2009, 02:35 PM) 
One of the many alerts that went out today from Gun Owners of America:
This is Crunch Time on ObamaCare
– Urge Senator Evan Bayh to tell Harry Reid “I’m not your puppet!”
Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
http://gunowners.org/ordergoamem.htm
Thursday, November 19, 2009
This week will be as important as any week in our lifetime in determining whether the anti-gun health care bill moves forward.
As a result of the mandates in the Senate bill, all of your gun-related health data can be dumped into a government database that was created in section 13001 of the stimulus bill. This includes any firearms-related information your doctor has gleaned . . . or any determination of PTSD, or something similar, that can preclude you from owning firearms.
The vote this week will be on shutting down a Republican filibuster of the bill. And the key votes will be five Democrats: Ben Nelson of Nebraska, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas, Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, and your very own Evan Bayh of Indiana.
The Senate and the House have a great tradition of conservative Democrats: Democratic Senators Jim Allen of Alabama, Harry Byrd, Jr., of Virginia, and (former Democratic) Congressman Virgil Goode of Virginia were, in their day, as pro-gun and fiscally responsible as any Republican.
The question is whether any conservative or even “moderate” Democrats survive, or whether we are left with a bunch of cowards who will do whatever their leftist leadership demands of them.
In the House, every evidence is that the so-called “Blue Dog Democrats” were nothing but a stable of Pelosi puppets. The Blue Dogs whined and complained about the deficit spending created by the bill, but when push came to shove, Pelosi was able to get just enough of the supposedly moderate Democrats to do her bidding and support her bill.
Is this the case in the Senate as well?
1) The “moderate” Democrats in the Senate have demanded seventy-two hours to examine any legislative language — and a CBO assessment based on final legislative language. They will not get this before this week’s vote. The question is whether they were serious.
2) The “moderate” Democrats in the Senate have demanded a bill which does not send the deficit spiraling into the stratosphere. The Reid bill will add over a hundred billion dollars to the deficit, when you consider the $210-247 Medicare “fix” Reid is trying to sneak through on separate legislation. It will add over A HALF A TRILLION DOLLARS TO THE DEFICIT IF YOU DISCOUNT THE PHONY MEDICARE “CUTS.” Was the promise worth the paper it was written on?
3) The “moderate” Democrats have promised a bill which will not tax the middle class. But the Reid bill will impose enormous costs and taxes -– not only on the middle class, but on the sick and elderly.
This is a week in which a handful of senators will make history. Will they be heroes and champions? Or liars and cowards? We will see.
They are being told that this is their chance to “make history.” But history seldom rewards those who break their word because they are frightened of their masters.
ACTION: Write Senator Evan Bayh. Tell him to vote against “cloture” on the “motion to proceed” to the Senate ObamaCare bill.
You can contact Senator Bayh by going to his webform at:
http://bayh.senate.gov/contact/email
—– Pre-written letter —–
Dear Senator Bayh:
This week will be as important as any week in our lifetime in determining whether the anti-gun health care bill moves forward.
As a result of the mandates in the Senate bill, all my gun-related health data can be dumped into a government database that was created in section 13001 of the stimulus bill. This includes any firearms-related information your doctor has gleaned . . . or any determination of PTSD, or something similar, that can preclude you from owning firearms.
The vote this week will be on shutting down a Republican filibuster of the motion to bring the bill up –- “cloture” on the “motion to proceed.”
The Senate and the House have a great tradition of conservative Democrats. The question is whether any conservative or even “moderate” Democrats will remain independent, or whether they will just do whatever their leftist leadership demands of them.
In the House, every evidence is that the so-called “Blue Dog Democrats” were nothing but a stable of Pelosi puppets. And the only question was which ones Pelosi would choose to dance at the end of their strings, and which would be allowed to lie crumpled up in the corner.
Is this the case in the Senate as well?
1) You have demanded seventy-two hours to examine any legislative language — and a CBO assessment based on final legislative language. You will not get this before this week’s vote. The question is whether you were serious.
2) You have demanded a bill which does not send the deficit spiraling into the stratosphere. The Reid bill will add over a hundred billion dollars to the deficit, when you consider the $210-247 Medicare “fix” Reid is trying to sneak through on separate Legislation (S. 1776).
It will add over A HALF A TRILLION DOLLARS TO THE DEFICIT IF YOU DISCOUNT THE PHONY MEDICARE “CUTS.” Was your promise worth the paper it was written on?
3) You have promised a bill which will not tax the middle class. But the Reid bill will impose enormous costs and taxes -– not only on the middle class, but on the sick and elderly. Did you mean what you said?
This is a week in which you will make history. Will you be a hero and a champion? Or a Reid puppet? I have faith that you will live up to your calling.
You are being told that this is your chance to “make history.” But history seldom rewards cowards who break their word because they are frightened by their “masters.”
Please, show me and the people who elected you that you are the hero we elected you to be. Vote against “cloture” on the anti-gun health care bill.
This is Crunch Time on ObamaCare
– Urge Senator Evan Bayh to tell Harry Reid “I’m not your puppet!”
Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
http://gunowners.org/ordergoamem.htm
Thursday, November 19, 2009
This week will be as important as any week in our lifetime in determining whether the anti-gun health care bill moves forward.
As a result of the mandates in the Senate bill, all of your gun-related health data can be dumped into a government database that was created in section 13001 of the stimulus bill. This includes any firearms-related information your doctor has gleaned . . . or any determination of PTSD, or something similar, that can preclude you from owning firearms.
The vote this week will be on shutting down a Republican filibuster of the bill. And the key votes will be five Democrats: Ben Nelson of Nebraska, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas, Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, and your very own Evan Bayh of Indiana.
The Senate and the House have a great tradition of conservative Democrats: Democratic Senators Jim Allen of Alabama, Harry Byrd, Jr., of Virginia, and (former Democratic) Congressman Virgil Goode of Virginia were, in their day, as pro-gun and fiscally responsible as any Republican.
The question is whether any conservative or even “moderate” Democrats survive, or whether we are left with a bunch of cowards who will do whatever their leftist leadership demands of them.
In the House, every evidence is that the so-called “Blue Dog Democrats” were nothing but a stable of Pelosi puppets. The Blue Dogs whined and complained about the deficit spending created by the bill, but when push came to shove, Pelosi was able to get just enough of the supposedly moderate Democrats to do her bidding and support her bill.
Is this the case in the Senate as well?
1) The “moderate” Democrats in the Senate have demanded seventy-two hours to examine any legislative language — and a CBO assessment based on final legislative language. They will not get this before this week’s vote. The question is whether they were serious.
2) The “moderate” Democrats in the Senate have demanded a bill which does not send the deficit spiraling into the stratosphere. The Reid bill will add over a hundred billion dollars to the deficit, when you consider the $210-247 Medicare “fix” Reid is trying to sneak through on separate legislation. It will add over A HALF A TRILLION DOLLARS TO THE DEFICIT IF YOU DISCOUNT THE PHONY MEDICARE “CUTS.” Was the promise worth the paper it was written on?
3) The “moderate” Democrats have promised a bill which will not tax the middle class. But the Reid bill will impose enormous costs and taxes -– not only on the middle class, but on the sick and elderly.
This is a week in which a handful of senators will make history. Will they be heroes and champions? Or liars and cowards? We will see.
They are being told that this is their chance to “make history.” But history seldom rewards those who break their word because they are frightened of their masters.
ACTION: Write Senator Evan Bayh. Tell him to vote against “cloture” on the “motion to proceed” to the Senate ObamaCare bill.
You can contact Senator Bayh by going to his webform at:
http://bayh.senate.gov/contact/email
—– Pre-written letter —–
Dear Senator Bayh:
This week will be as important as any week in our lifetime in determining whether the anti-gun health care bill moves forward.
As a result of the mandates in the Senate bill, all my gun-related health data can be dumped into a government database that was created in section 13001 of the stimulus bill. This includes any firearms-related information your doctor has gleaned . . . or any determination of PTSD, or something similar, that can preclude you from owning firearms.
The vote this week will be on shutting down a Republican filibuster of the motion to bring the bill up –- “cloture” on the “motion to proceed.”
The Senate and the House have a great tradition of conservative Democrats. The question is whether any conservative or even “moderate” Democrats will remain independent, or whether they will just do whatever their leftist leadership demands of them.
In the House, every evidence is that the so-called “Blue Dog Democrats” were nothing but a stable of Pelosi puppets. And the only question was which ones Pelosi would choose to dance at the end of their strings, and which would be allowed to lie crumpled up in the corner.
Is this the case in the Senate as well?
1) You have demanded seventy-two hours to examine any legislative language — and a CBO assessment based on final legislative language. You will not get this before this week’s vote. The question is whether you were serious.
2) You have demanded a bill which does not send the deficit spiraling into the stratosphere. The Reid bill will add over a hundred billion dollars to the deficit, when you consider the $210-247 Medicare “fix” Reid is trying to sneak through on separate Legislation (S. 1776).
It will add over A HALF A TRILLION DOLLARS TO THE DEFICIT IF YOU DISCOUNT THE PHONY MEDICARE “CUTS.” Was your promise worth the paper it was written on?
3) You have promised a bill which will not tax the middle class. But the Reid bill will impose enormous costs and taxes -– not only on the middle class, but on the sick and elderly. Did you mean what you said?
This is a week in which you will make history. Will you be a hero and a champion? Or a Reid puppet? I have faith that you will live up to your calling.
You are being told that this is your chance to “make history.” But history seldom rewards cowards who break their word because they are frightened by their “masters.”
Please, show me and the people who elected you that you are the hero we elected you to be. Vote against “cloture” on the anti-gun health care bill.
I don't see this as having an impact on gun owners. I think GOA is reaching on this connection.
QUOTE(Frenchy @ Nov 19 2009, 02:50 PM)
QUOTE(Beamer @ Nov 19 2009, 02:35 PM)
One of the many alerts that went out today from Gun Owners of America:
This is Crunch Time on ObamaCare
– Urge Senator Evan Bayh to tell Harry Reid “I’m not your puppet!”
Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
http://gunowners.org/ordergoamem.htm
Thursday, November 19, 2009
This week will be as important as any week in our lifetime in determining whether the anti-gun health care bill moves forward.
As a result of the mandates in the Senate bill, all of your gun-related health data can be dumped into a government database that was created in section 13001 of the stimulus bill. This includes any firearms-related information your doctor has gleaned . . . or any determination of PTSD, or something similar, that can preclude you from owning firearms.
The vote this week will be on shutting down a Republican filibuster of the bill. And the key votes will be five Democrats: Ben Nelson of Nebraska, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas, Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, and your very own Evan Bayh of Indiana.
The Senate and the House have a great tradition of conservative Democrats: Democratic Senators Jim Allen of Alabama, Harry Byrd, Jr., of Virginia, and (former Democratic) Congressman Virgil Goode of Virginia were, in their day, as pro-gun and fiscally responsible as any Republican.
The question is whether any conservative or even “moderate” Democrats survive, or whether we are left with a bunch of cowards who will do whatever their leftist leadership demands of them.
In the House, every evidence is that the so-called “Blue Dog Democrats” were nothing but a stable of Pelosi puppets. The Blue Dogs whined and complained about the deficit spending created by the bill, but when push came to shove, Pelosi was able to get just enough of the supposedly moderate Democrats to do her bidding and support her bill.
Is this the case in the Senate as well?
1) The “moderate” Democrats in the Senate have demanded seventy-two hours to examine any legislative language — and a CBO assessment based on final legislative language. They will not get this before this week’s vote. The question is whether they were serious.
2) The “moderate” Democrats in the Senate have demanded a bill which does not send the deficit spiraling into the stratosphere. The Reid bill will add over a hundred billion dollars to the deficit, when you consider the $210-247 Medicare “fix” Reid is trying to sneak through on separate legislation. It will add over A HALF A TRILLION DOLLARS TO THE DEFICIT IF YOU DISCOUNT THE PHONY MEDICARE “CUTS.” Was the promise worth the paper it was written on?
3) The “moderate” Democrats have promised a bill which will not tax the middle class. But the Reid bill will impose enormous costs and taxes -– not only on the middle class, but on the sick and elderly.
This is a week in which a handful of senators will make history. Will they be heroes and champions? Or liars and cowards? We will see.
They are being told that this is their chance to “make history.” But history seldom rewards those who break their word because they are frightened of their masters.
ACTION: Write Senator Evan Bayh. Tell him to vote against “cloture” on the “motion to proceed” to the Senate ObamaCare bill.
You can contact Senator Bayh by going to his webform at:
http://bayh.senate.gov/contact/email
—– Pre-written letter —–
Dear Senator Bayh:
This week will be as important as any week in our lifetime in determining whether the anti-gun health care bill moves forward.
As a result of the mandates in the Senate bill, all my gun-related health data can be dumped into a government database that was created in section 13001 of the stimulus bill. This includes any firearms-related information your doctor has gleaned . . . or any determination of PTSD, or something similar, that can preclude you from owning firearms.
The vote this week will be on shutting down a Republican filibuster of the motion to bring the bill up –- “cloture” on the “motion to proceed.”
The Senate and the House have a great tradition of conservative Democrats. The question is whether any conservative or even “moderate” Democrats will remain independent, or whether they will just do whatever their leftist leadership demands of them.
In the House, every evidence is that the so-called “Blue Dog Democrats” were nothing but a stable of Pelosi puppets. And the only question was which ones Pelosi would choose to dance at the end of their strings, and which would be allowed to lie crumpled up in the corner.
Is this the case in the Senate as well?
1) You have demanded seventy-two hours to examine any legislative language — and a CBO assessment based on final legislative language. You will not get this before this week’s vote. The question is whether you were serious.
2) You have demanded a bill which does not send the deficit spiraling into the stratosphere. The Reid bill will add over a hundred billion dollars to the deficit, when you consider the $210-247 Medicare “fix” Reid is trying to sneak through on separate Legislation (S. 1776).
It will add over A HALF A TRILLION DOLLARS TO THE DEFICIT IF YOU DISCOUNT THE PHONY MEDICARE “CUTS.” Was your promise worth the paper it was written on?
3) You have promised a bill which will not tax the middle class. But the Reid bill will impose enormous costs and taxes -– not only on the middle class, but on the sick and elderly. Did you mean what you said?
This is a week in which you will make history. Will you be a hero and a champion? Or a Reid puppet? I have faith that you will live up to your calling.
You are being told that this is your chance to “make history.” But history seldom rewards cowards who break their word because they are frightened by their “masters.”
Please, show me and the people who elected you that you are the hero we elected you to be. Vote against “cloture” on the anti-gun health care bill.
This is Crunch Time on ObamaCare
– Urge Senator Evan Bayh to tell Harry Reid “I’m not your puppet!”
Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
http://gunowners.org/ordergoamem.htm
Thursday, November 19, 2009
This week will be as important as any week in our lifetime in determining whether the anti-gun health care bill moves forward.
As a result of the mandates in the Senate bill, all of your gun-related health data can be dumped into a government database that was created in section 13001 of the stimulus bill. This includes any firearms-related information your doctor has gleaned . . . or any determination of PTSD, or something similar, that can preclude you from owning firearms.
The vote this week will be on shutting down a Republican filibuster of the bill. And the key votes will be five Democrats: Ben Nelson of Nebraska, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas, Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, and your very own Evan Bayh of Indiana.
The Senate and the House have a great tradition of conservative Democrats: Democratic Senators Jim Allen of Alabama, Harry Byrd, Jr., of Virginia, and (former Democratic) Congressman Virgil Goode of Virginia were, in their day, as pro-gun and fiscally responsible as any Republican.
The question is whether any conservative or even “moderate” Democrats survive, or whether we are left with a bunch of cowards who will do whatever their leftist leadership demands of them.
In the House, every evidence is that the so-called “Blue Dog Democrats” were nothing but a stable of Pelosi puppets. The Blue Dogs whined and complained about the deficit spending created by the bill, but when push came to shove, Pelosi was able to get just enough of the supposedly moderate Democrats to do her bidding and support her bill.
Is this the case in the Senate as well?
1) The “moderate” Democrats in the Senate have demanded seventy-two hours to examine any legislative language — and a CBO assessment based on final legislative language. They will not get this before this week’s vote. The question is whether they were serious.
2) The “moderate” Democrats in the Senate have demanded a bill which does not send the deficit spiraling into the stratosphere. The Reid bill will add over a hundred billion dollars to the deficit, when you consider the $210-247 Medicare “fix” Reid is trying to sneak through on separate legislation. It will add over A HALF A TRILLION DOLLARS TO THE DEFICIT IF YOU DISCOUNT THE PHONY MEDICARE “CUTS.” Was the promise worth the paper it was written on?
3) The “moderate” Democrats have promised a bill which will not tax the middle class. But the Reid bill will impose enormous costs and taxes -– not only on the middle class, but on the sick and elderly.
This is a week in which a handful of senators will make history. Will they be heroes and champions? Or liars and cowards? We will see.
They are being told that this is their chance to “make history.” But history seldom rewards those who break their word because they are frightened of their masters.
ACTION: Write Senator Evan Bayh. Tell him to vote against “cloture” on the “motion to proceed” to the Senate ObamaCare bill.
You can contact Senator Bayh by going to his webform at:
http://bayh.senate.gov/contact/email
—– Pre-written letter —–
Dear Senator Bayh:
This week will be as important as any week in our lifetime in determining whether the anti-gun health care bill moves forward.
As a result of the mandates in the Senate bill, all my gun-related health data can be dumped into a government database that was created in section 13001 of the stimulus bill. This includes any firearms-related information your doctor has gleaned . . . or any determination of PTSD, or something similar, that can preclude you from owning firearms.
The vote this week will be on shutting down a Republican filibuster of the motion to bring the bill up –- “cloture” on the “motion to proceed.”
The Senate and the House have a great tradition of conservative Democrats. The question is whether any conservative or even “moderate” Democrats will remain independent, or whether they will just do whatever their leftist leadership demands of them.
In the House, every evidence is that the so-called “Blue Dog Democrats” were nothing but a stable of Pelosi puppets. And the only question was which ones Pelosi would choose to dance at the end of their strings, and which would be allowed to lie crumpled up in the corner.
Is this the case in the Senate as well?
1) You have demanded seventy-two hours to examine any legislative language — and a CBO assessment based on final legislative language. You will not get this before this week’s vote. The question is whether you were serious.
2) You have demanded a bill which does not send the deficit spiraling into the stratosphere. The Reid bill will add over a hundred billion dollars to the deficit, when you consider the $210-247 Medicare “fix” Reid is trying to sneak through on separate Legislation (S. 1776).
It will add over A HALF A TRILLION DOLLARS TO THE DEFICIT IF YOU DISCOUNT THE PHONY MEDICARE “CUTS.” Was your promise worth the paper it was written on?
3) You have promised a bill which will not tax the middle class. But the Reid bill will impose enormous costs and taxes -– not only on the middle class, but on the sick and elderly. Did you mean what you said?
This is a week in which you will make history. Will you be a hero and a champion? Or a Reid puppet? I have faith that you will live up to your calling.
You are being told that this is your chance to “make history.” But history seldom rewards cowards who break their word because they are frightened by their “masters.”
Please, show me and the people who elected you that you are the hero we elected you to be. Vote against “cloture” on the anti-gun health care bill.
I don't see this as having an impact on gun owners. I think GOA is reaching on this connection.
Or just trying a different angle, to wake a few more people up, and get them to oppose a BAD piece of Legislation.
the members of the NRA needs to unite and do all they can to find a better person to run against, win and replace Bayh in the Senate in the next election
a worse person in the senate cannot be found.
a worse person in the senate cannot be found.
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Nov 19 2009, 09:08 PM)
the members of the NRA needs to unite and do all they can to find a better person to run against, win and replace Bayh in the Senate in the next election
a worse person in the senate cannot be found.
a worse person in the senate cannot be found.
I think the nation needs to find someone better than a McCain or Obama or we will loose all that is good.
Can the NRA do that ?
It's not their job, that job belongs to the people of this nation.
They also need to replace the "just trying to keep my job" politicians who do as they please as soon as the election is over.
I read recently that the reason we have 2nd amendment is that Jefferson did NOT want to have a permanent standing army. Ok with a navy, but no army. Too easy to start a war. Sound familiar?
Rather, he wanted to have a set of ready-to-go militias in case WE got attacked. Hence the precise wording which anti gun people always misunderstand:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Makes sense once you know the reasons behing it.
Rather, he wanted to have a set of ready-to-go militias in case WE got attacked. Hence the precise wording which anti gun people always misunderstand:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Makes sense once you know the reasons behing it.
QUOTE(jeffmoskin @ Nov 20 2009, 10:00 AM)
I read recently that the reason we have 2nd amendment is that Jefferson did NOT want to have a permanent standing army. Ok with a navy, but no army. Too easy to start a war. Sound familiar?
Rather, he wanted to have a set of ready-to-go militias in case WE got attacked. Hence the precise wording which anti gun people always misunderstand:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Makes sense once you know the reasons behing it.
Rather, he wanted to have a set of ready-to-go militias in case WE got attacked. Hence the precise wording which anti gun people always misunderstand:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Makes sense once you know the reasons behing it.
Yes jeff...The anti's like to suggest that the one sentence has separate meanings. We were/are the militia. and entity NOT under the control of the federal government.
QUOTE(ProblemSolver @ Nov 19 2009, 11:18 PM)
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Nov 19 2009, 09:08 PM)
the members of the NRA needs to unite and do all they can to find a better person to run against, win and replace Bayh in the Senate in the next election
a worse person in the senate cannot be found.
a worse person in the senate cannot be found.
I think the nation needs to find someone better than a McCain or Obama or we will loose all that is good.
Can the NRA do that ?
It's not their job, that job belongs to the people of this nation.
They also need to replace the "just trying to keep my job" politicians who do as they please as soon as the election is over.
you missed me putting down Evan Bayh, a traitor to the democratic party
His father should kick his ugly rear end
I am perfectly happy with Obama as president for the next 40 years or so
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Nov 20 2009, 04:36 PM)
QUOTE(ProblemSolver @ Nov 19 2009, 11:18 PM)
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Nov 19 2009, 09:08 PM)
the members of the NRA needs to unite and do all they can to find a better person to run against, win and replace Bayh in the Senate in the next election
a worse person in the senate cannot be found.
a worse person in the senate cannot be found.
I think the nation needs to find someone better than a McCain or Obama or we will loose all that is good.
Can the NRA do that ?
It's not their job, that job belongs to the people of this nation.
They also need to replace the "just trying to keep my job" politicians who do as they please as soon as the election is over.
you missed me putting down Evan Bayh, a traitor to the democratic party
His father should kick his ugly rear end
I am perfectly happy with Obama as president for the next 40 years or so
According to the Constitution Obama has a term limit...AND the right to keep and bear arms.
If you need to re read it try the Oathkeepers site.
What if Beamer is Obama?
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Nov 20 2009, 03:36 PM)
QUOTE(ProblemSolver @ Nov 19 2009, 11:18 PM)
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Nov 19 2009, 09:08 PM)
the members of the NRA needs to unite and do all they can to find a better person to run against, win and replace Bayh in the Senate in the next election
a worse person in the senate cannot be found.
a worse person in the senate cannot be found.
I think the nation needs to find someone better than a McCain or Obama or we will loose all that is good.
Can the NRA do that ?
It's not their job, that job belongs to the people of this nation.
They also need to replace the "just trying to keep my job" politicians who do as they please as soon as the election is over.
you missed me putting down Evan Bayh, a traitor to the democratic party
His father should kick his ugly rear end
I am perfectly happy with Obama as president for the next 40 years or so
That may violate the Constitution...but that's just a guess!
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Nov 20 2009, 03:36 PM)
QUOTE(ProblemSolver @ Nov 19 2009, 11:18 PM)
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Nov 19 2009, 09:08 PM)
the members of the NRA needs to unite and do all they can to find a better person to run against, win and replace Bayh in the Senate in the next election
a worse person in the senate cannot be found.
a worse person in the senate cannot be found.
I think the nation needs to find someone better than a McCain or Obama or we will loose all that is good.
Can the NRA do that ?
It's not their job, that job belongs to the people of this nation.
They also need to replace the "just trying to keep my job" politicians who do as they please as soon as the election is over.
you missed me putting down Evan Bayh, a traitor to the democratic party
His father should kick his ugly rear end
I am perfectly happy with Obama as president for the next 40 years or so
No, I didn't miss you putting down Bayh.
It is a diversion tactic, just like your reference to the NRA is a diversion tactic.
The article is about "gun-related health data" being included in the health-care bill.
So let's talk about the bill, if you want, but stop with the diversions.
They do little to further the more important aspects of the health-care bill and it's designed control of the population.
Concerning your idea of "Obama as president for the next 40 years or so",
At least I now know for sure who I am dealing with.
Someone who diverts and draws attention away from the key factors of a discussion, and at the same time is willing to, or has no clue, about the Constitutional ability of someone Like Obama to hold office for such a period of time.
Thanks for that diversion, it explains why you want to divert away from the topic.
QUOTE(bigtom @ Nov 20 2009, 04:41 PM)
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Nov 20 2009, 04:36 PM)
QUOTE(ProblemSolver @ Nov 19 2009, 11:18 PM)
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Nov 19 2009, 09:08 PM)
the members of the NRA needs to unite and do all they can to find a better person to run against, win and replace Bayh in the Senate in the next election
a worse person in the senate cannot be found.
a worse person in the senate cannot be found.
I think the nation needs to find someone better than a McCain or Obama or we will loose all that is good.
Can the NRA do that ?
It's not their job, that job belongs to the people of this nation.
They also need to replace the "just trying to keep my job" politicians who do as they please as soon as the election is over.
you missed me putting down Evan Bayh, a traitor to the democratic party
His father should kick his ugly rear end
I am perfectly happy with Obama as president for the next 40 years or so
According to the Constitution Obama has a term limit...AND the right to keep and bear arms.
If you need to re read it try the Oathkeepers site.
What if Beamer is Obama?
I do not find any interest in the oathkeepers
From what people put up here, the are like the KKK
and Obama isn't liked because he is black
the right to bare arms is the right to be in a t-shirt baring my arms.
And if you believe it is guns, then it is legal as abortion is.
as people are messing with abortion, then there need to be as many restrictions on guns as a legal woman's right to choose
QUOTE(Frenchy @ Nov 20 2009, 02:33 PM)
QUOTE(jeffmoskin @ Nov 20 2009, 10:00 AM)
I read recently that the reason we have 2nd amendment is that Jefferson did NOT want to have a permanent standing army. Ok with a navy, but no army. Too easy to start a war. Sound familiar?
Rather, he wanted to have a set of ready-to-go militias in case WE got attacked. Hence the precise wording which anti gun people always misunderstand:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Makes sense once you know the reasons behing it.
Rather, he wanted to have a set of ready-to-go militias in case WE got attacked. Hence the precise wording which anti gun people always misunderstand:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Makes sense once you know the reasons behing it.
Yes jeff...The anti's like to suggest that the one sentence has separate meanings. We were/are the militia. and entity NOT under the control of the federal government.
Yes, that's how I understand the sentence. We are the militia.
From what I understand, if we were like Switzerland, all of the men (don't know about women) would be trained and issued weapons from the government, in addition to being allowed to have their own personal weapons.
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Nov 21 2009, 09:59 AM)
I do not find any interest in the oathkeepers
From what people put up here, the are like the KKK
and Obama isn't liked because he is black
the right to bare arms is the right to be in a t-shirt baring my arms.
And if you believe it is guns, then it is legal as abortion is.
as people are messing with abortion, then there need to be as many restrictions on guns as a legal woman's right to choose
From what people put up here, the are like the KKK
and Obama isn't liked because he is black
the right to bare arms is the right to be in a t-shirt baring my arms.
And if you believe it is guns, then it is legal as abortion is.
as people are messing with abortion, then there need to be as many restrictions on guns as a legal woman's right to choose
So based on what a few people here have said, you will label an entire group of people as being equal to the KKK, and add the racism aspect to solidify your position.
Well, you are entitled to your opinion, even if I think you are wrong to judge a group you do not know.
You are an interesting fellow Mr. Graham.
So let me ask you a question, being as you think guns and abortion are on equal ground.
What did Roe V Wade actually resolve ?
Please be specific and provide citations from a reputable source to help solidify your position and belief on this subject.
QUOTE(Frenchy @ Nov 19 2009, 03:50 PM)
I don't see this as having an impact on gun owners. I think GOA is reaching on this connection.
QUOTE(Frenchy @ Nov 20 2009, 04:33 PM)
QUOTE(jeffmoskin @ Nov 20 2009, 10:00 AM)
I read recently that the reason we have 2nd amendment is that Jefferson did NOT want to have a permanent standing army. Ok with a navy, but no army. Too easy to start a war. Sound familiar?
Rather, he wanted to have a set of ready-to-go militias in case WE got attacked. Hence the precise wording which anti gun people always misunderstand:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Makes sense once you know the reasons behing it.
Rather, he wanted to have a set of ready-to-go militias in case WE got attacked. Hence the precise wording which anti gun people always misunderstand:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Makes sense once you know the reasons behing it.
Yes jeff...The anti's like to suggest that the one sentence has separate meanings. We were/are the militia. and entity NOT under the control of the federal government.
Yes were are. (I like that much better than "Yes we can".)
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