Who's to Blame For Mosul Mess Tent Attack? If a low ranking Troop was asleep while on guard duty and something like what happened yesterday in Mosul Iraq because of their negligent action, you know where that Troop would be - court martial and jail time - for sure. Now has not our gallant Commander and Thief (SHRUB), Secretary of Da'Fence (Rum Dum) or any of the shined star general in this military we now have, ever heard of a place called Beirut? Where 243 American Troops died from a truck loaded with explosives. This happened 10/23/83 and the Americans left Lebanon 2/1984. Who was the President? Ronny Raegan (the actor), and what did he do and who did he blame for confining a large element of Troops in a single bldg. in a hostile area. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/23/...ain579638.shtml -- he did not blame his administration. Just like the Shrub will not blame his administration or asleep on the job Generals who let such a mass number of people be confined in a single mess tent in Mosul, Iraq yesterday. Latest tolls, 64 KIA 24 WIA because of this reckless support and leadership by the Bush administration and his lacky Generals in charge of these Troops. We were taught in basic training that you did not congregate close in a hostile atmosphere such as the Mess Tent that has been target of Mortar and Rocket attacks in the past. We were just Trainee's, low ranking Buck Pvt. Trainee's and knew the result of such a reckless action. Reason why you do not do this type of thing which the "SHRUB" administration and his generals ignored. Because with one blast you get a great number of deaths and wounds instead of a few if the Troops were spread out. This is just plain common sense, and not rocket science. Look at the size of that Mess Tent and the Number of Troops it had inside during the attack. Now if you were an enemy of the U.S.A., where would you plan an attack? Where you could hit 1-3 men or hit beaucoup at one time! Common sense, generals, Rummy, and SHRUB! Yes the BLAME should be put on the Bush Administration and the Generals who let these troops die and get maimed because of their recklessness. Like I said, they did not have to look that far back in American history to see what happened in Beirut, Lebanon on Oct. 23, 1983 . Anybody who was trained right knows leaders do not let their Troops do this kind of senseless practice in a hostile zone. It is a big time, No - No ! And the SHRUB and his administration should be held accountable for this blunder of death and destruction, just like a low ranking Troop that fell asleep on guard duty would be! http://www.granma.cu/ingles/2004/diciembre...22/52bajas.html [

Who's to Blame for Mosul Blast?, Attack on mess tent in Mosul Iraq?

Commander-in-Chief George W. Bush, of course.

Agreed. The fact that troops were attacked in a place and time that ought to have been rendered "safe" is an outrageous indictment of the entire chain of command. One would think that numerous cordons of security would have been in place.

I agree w/ all the posts on this thread but all the caps and collors hurt my tired eyes

Meanwhile the Pentagon blames a suicide bomber, but neglect to mention HOW IN HELL that bomber got inside a mess hall full of soldiers.


The suicide bomber explanation is too damn convenient for the Pentagon and raises A LOT of unanswered questions

How in hell did they get so far ? If insurgents had that kind of reach, wouldn’t they go for a bigger prize ?

Methinks it’s Pentagon BS speak to cover their Criminal Negligence

Regardless of how the bomb and the bomber entered the Mosul compound, it appears that the U.S. military has evolved from being what we may have considered a liberating (invading) force through its supposed role as an occupying army to becoming an intruder under siege. However effective the U.S. was as liberator and occupier, it appears to be losing any advantage it may have had. Doesn't it seem that U.S. forces now must give most of their attention to self-protection, leaving little or no time or resources for any constructive activity. If this pattern continues, the U.S. stands to be driven from the country. I can only imagine that Iraqi citizens welcome the upcoming election as their opportunity to install a government that will eject the U.S. and reduce the carnage it attracts and inflicts.

I been hearing all this bull on the main media (propaganda) news - How did a suicide bomber get into a U.S. basecamp like what happened in Mosul -- If this was the case in Mosul. Again, does not take a PHD to figure this one out. You have Iraqi's on this base, like on some firebases in the Nam we had Vietnamese. Do we have the hearts of said people - He_l No! They will side with their people and in this case the people we are fighting with. And they do not have all the fancy technology of warfare that the U.S. has. But what they do have is patience and determination and the fact that the U.S. of A. brought the war to them by invading Iraq. So it is a home field advantage for the enemy - or the ones that want the U.S. the he_l out of Iraq. Now in Nam these on base Vietnamese would give coordinates for Rocket and Mortar attacks. Tell the VC and NVA where the Ammo dumps were and where the largest concentration of G.I.'S would be at said time. Now if the VC or NVA got lucky they would lob one of those SOB'in' things right on your azz if you came in from the field during their said time of attack. One thing that these so called enemy like the VC and Enemy have in common is patience, where Americans think of seconds, minutes, month, and a year. They think of decades and century's, just like the VC and NVA of the Nam! They will wait you out and wear you out, anyway possible---count on that!Trust me on this, there are a lot more enemy plants in beaucoup bases in Iraq or wherever the U.S. goes in its conquest for the "SHRUB" -- this you can count on. And Mosul is just the first piece of the puzzle that will confront the "SHRUB WAR MACHINE" .

Yup, I'm in TFA* with you on this Bammo.



TFA = Total F'ing Agreement

I'm agreement with everything stated on this thread as well. Our 'bozo' in cheif and 'mad cow' of defense has us where we shouldn't be in the first place. Iraq... same same with 'Nam.

In any war zone, like 'Nam and now Iraq, those country's habitats have to live and survive in the crossfire of war... while doing without, unlike before when such occupiers came to their lands. In do time, this makes them choose whom they will work with in order to survive.... anything that it takes. In 'Nam (civilians) they were called nutruals.... of which later came the term 'sympathizers'. Sympathizers are living among the so called 'enemies' of which they must appease the enemy or be tortured or killed. They must also please the occupiers (US), or be imprisoned, tortured or killed .... as casualties of war. They play both sides to get by each day of their lives. That's survival in war zones as a civilian population.

Iraq is undergoing the very same deal... where the population has to choose in order to survive. It's nobody's fault, only the 'original' wrongdoers, such as BushCo for invading that country creating this quagmire. Iraq suicide bombers are same same satchel bomb carriers. They are dedicated killers who will infiltrate any position when least expected to confuse and destroy their enemy... which is the US. This is what the civilians of Iraq have been faced with... choices.. either live or die, and to choose life, they must help and aid the enemies that lives within their own population... and that enemy is both the US inavders and the US resistors in the militant groups that are still forming. They will assist those militant groups with whatever it takes to remain alive. It's their population.

The only thing that the US troops will be appreciated for is what they can give to the Iraq ppl in money or items. That's all! Same same 'Nam.

Iraqis will continue to play both sides. In the end, they will do what they can to reject the American policies that are being forced upon them. They will use Americans as far as they can, always working ways to elliminate them in time. Just wait until war begins with a much better organized military such as Iran. Think what 'hard war' offers when that enemy has 10s of 1000s of missiles, air power, and troops all backed by much more artillary than what we faced in Iraq. Then add 1000s more suicide bombers and infiltrators who will eat us alive in that esculated war. Nukes will be added in to make it all worse 'if' our presense appears more successful. These ppl do not care about dying... only winning to defend their country.

That's where it is...... nothing less.

1. I want to add a plug for another thread, especially for the retired / ex-military - target='_blank'>


http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/for...topic=11542&hl=
This thread explores how Rummy's recent trip is nothing short of a psy-ops media spin.

2. For any explosives experts, a question. Looking at the damage to the mess hall (tent), to me a ripped roof is not consistant with explosives worn by a suicide bomber. Looks more like damage from a rocket or mortar. Any thoughts?

A working theory:

23 December 2004: First it was a report of a lone 122mm rocket to pierce the inner sanctity of Camp Marez near Mosul (see article below). Within hours following that report, we received information that it was actually three separate rockets, with only one actually making it to its target. Now, we are hearing from those same eyewitnesses to this event that they have been told that they were "mistaken about their observations" – it was a lone homicide bomber who “somehow” got into the camp.

In this developing story, we now have information that could indeed account for not only the eyewitness accounts, but also substantiate the forensic evidence found at the scene of the blast. In this newly acquired information, reports suggest that the homicide bomber was reportedly an Iraqi National Guardsman – or at least wearing the uniform of one which allowed him easy access to the camp. The bomber was not only wearing an improvised explosive device, but might have been also equipped with a GPS unit. The GPS unit was used to guide at least one of the 122mm rockets (first reported by the military) to its target before the homicide bomber detonated his deadly payload. That scenario could account for the extensive damage to that location. Developing…

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/

Whether its a 122 MM Rocket or a Suicide Bomber The point here is that the U.S.A. does not learn from past mistakes it has made in past conflicts like Vietnam, Beirut, etc. If the U.S.A. wanted this "BLAST" in Mosul to go down as frienly fire, that is how it would be portrayed by the "SHRUB" propaganda Media. The Sad Point is most of the sheople in this country would buy the BS the "SHRUB" media would hand out to them - hook, line and sinker. This large amount of Troops should of never been confined in the mass number that they were --fortified bldg or not - in a hostile area like Mosul Iraq. And to this Nam Vet, there should be an investigation on the "BRASS" command from the Commander and Thief , Rummy, on down to see who is responsible for letting such a stupid azz action happen. These leaders know better than this and again - if it was a low ranking G.I. who got tattoo'd for this BS -- you know where that G.I. would be heading -- 122 mm rocket, Suicide Bomber, or whatever the "SHRUB" propaganda media wanted to feed you. It does not matter on the type of attack, what matters is the lack of leadership to let such an attack take a toll on such a large amount of Troops, that a leader is supposed to be resoponsible for. And take every precaution to keep said Troop alive and well! This whole thing is ridiculous and it is not going to be the last time you see such a scene in this "SHRUB WAR" - wait and see!

My concern all along has been that these things come out and are exposed, usually briefly until something else happens. Remember all the explosives missing just before the election? What happened with that? There have been too many irresponsible acts by this administration and the saddest thing is that they keep getting away with it. It seems as if each event just blows over. Is it just the media or is it that we are all being too complacent?

It seems as if some of us write letters, try to make some accountable, yet are we not enough or are we being ignored?

Smartcor
Right on, this "SHRUB" administration has a bad azz addiction of covering and hiding the truth. Keep on pluggin' Smartcor, it will not be long until the rest of the sheople in this land wake the he_l up! Trust me, it will happen --when --most likely when it is too late! LOL ---Hang Tough and take care.