If it's OK to blame teachers, instead of lobbyists and parents, for the state of education in this country, why can't we blame Religious leaders for the moral decay instead of Hollywood and Liberals?

No debate on this? Hmmm. What does this mean?

I think you are right. Religious leaders are in part responsible for the moral decay, and many of them seem to have no concept of what morality is.

Good point.

Perhaps we have moral decay because right-wing religious leaders are too wrapped up in building up power and prestige, and at least in some cases personal wealth, while moderate and progressive religious leaders are too wimpy and bland.

I guess it depends on who your talking to who gets the blame,


I dont blame teachers for the poor state of education (although ive come across a few very bad teachers who shouldnt be teaching), I blame the politicians for not giving the teachers enough financial resources and parents that threaten to sue teachers every time they say boo at a child, its hard to teach when you have to watch every fine line with the fear of loseing your job if you accidently cross one, and then on top of that dont have the necessary materials to work with.

As for our religious leaders, I do blame them for the moral decay of our country, if half of them would practice what they preach and be actual role models instead of wanna-be media stars people might pay more attention to them.

Is that enough of a debate?

Why blaming others, let's find solutions, the following link might bring a better view:

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http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/for...showtopic=10718

It is not a question of blaming. Before one can find solutions, one has to identify the problem.

We have found the enemy and it is us. We are facing a leadership crises in
our political system, our educational system and our religious system. I prefer to
think about responsibility rather than blame or fault. It is the responsibility of
citizens both individually and collectively to demand and support effective leadership leadership in all three domains. Over the past year I've had about a half dozen visitors from Europe. One question that they always ask is"Why is
there so many churches and discount tobacco stores?" If half of the resources
that go into building and supporting churches went into education we would be
the smartest country in the world--and probaby wouldn't manifest as much moral decline. That's just a personal opinion.

LeIbNiZ, tnwycked, rla, Arneoker, I agree with all of your points. But I do have to address thius one


Because politics seems to be unavoidable. As much as I hate politics, it is a virtual reality, that affects my physical reality too much to ignore. I'm all for ending the blame game if everyone else is equally willing.

Well, I agree with this one...

We can't put all of the blame on religious leaders, just as it is wrong to put all of the blame for our problems in education on the teachers. That's a good point. Still, the job of religious leaders is particularly relevant here.

I'm American, I like the idea of blaming others

A couple of thoughts on this thread.

I am a high school English and social science teacher in CA. Our curriculum is so proscribed by school districts and state standards that what we teach no longer has much opportunity for individual initiative- or indoctrination. The biggest problem we have, however, is not our curriculum, ed codes, or even the tightly restricted budget problems. Our biggest problem is parent apathy- and I'll say nothing more.

I think you may have stumbled on to a great marketing concept for the moderate Christian community! Put the blame where it belongs! I think, what we will find, is that the Christian Talaban have such a distorted perception of morality that virtually anything done by the human race would be immoral. That's the message our moderate Christian community has to broadcast to middle America.