Its not clear what its about exactly, but aparently Andy S. formerly of BBV.org is thinking of letting something out. See this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...id=189480&page=

He writes:

God_bush_n_cheney
Thu Dec-23-04 10:57 AM
Original message
To spill the beans or to not spill the beans...

that is the question.

If I spill the beans...

The manure will hit the air circulating device.

Later on he says it doesn't have to do directly with Kerry. Hmm....

What should I do?
If I don't I will seethe with anger and contempt.
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This afternoon Thom Hartmann was speculating that during W's "lost" year he was indoctrinated into the Unification Church.

Seems this would fit those words.

Has he finally spill the beans? I have been looking through the thread and it still looked like at toss up if he should or not.

No, I don't think he has yet.

Bummer, it looks like its just some infighting thing with BBV, which I care nothing for. Sorry to have brought it up. Nevermind
JamBoi

God_bush_n_cheney
15. Big old pot of beans

Counld gause major damage if spilled.

Should I wait till January?

God_bush_n_cheney
26. Waaaaay

different.

Has nothing to do with Kerry.

God_bush_n_cheney
18. The cause would not be damaged

but...then again it might.

AP is calling and I don't know what to say.

God_bush_n_cheney
31. Despite assertions to the contrary

I do tell the truth.

God_bush_n_cheney
23. Yeah that pot of beans sounds

far more interesting than my beans.

God_bush_n_cheney
43. Actually...aside from having no money...no job...facing the

forclosure of my mortgage...I am going to have a fine christmas.

I will be spending christmas with my friend Greatauntoftriplets. Granted I would rather be at home with termite...but I am going to be with a good friend ...someone I love and who I know loves me. Isn't that what christmas is about afterall?

God_bush_n_cheney
51. Sadly yes I do know...

I want to spill it is not the right thing to do...but it would asuage my anger if I did. It would be for purely selfish reasons...that is not a good reason is it.

(Rest of thread unimportant -- looks like its about the BH vs AS thing. )

Don't feel bad, I was thinking of posting it up myself, when it first broke. I got tired of multiple post of nothing. "No I shouldn't." "Yes you should" BS. Atleast one of us had the stomach read through it all.

I was following that thread over on DU and had to restrain myself from telling this guy to put up or shut up. If you've got beans you want to spill, spill 'em. Otherwise, go sit in a corner and talk to yourself.

I know, what the hell was that about. Some times I have to find refuge here to cut down on the noise.

Bean-spilling has begun. Lots of dirt on Bev Harris and BBV is going to be spilled as well.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...ress=203x192238

[quote=rox63,Dec 23 2004, 08:12 PM]
Bean-spilling has begun. Lots of dirt on Bev Harris and BBV is going to be spilled as well.

You say that like it's a good thing.

I thought the most intelligent thing that was said in that whole thread was this:

JohnOneillsMemory  (1000+ posts) Thu Dec-23-04 06:45 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. I think it is evident in that long thread. There are several things
going on at once, some good info is braided with not-so-good info to make it hard to tell them apart. Kind of like the way people who describe Zionist hawks in the PNAC (Project for a New American Century think tank for American Empire) who now run the White House can end up being accused of being racist holocaust-deniers. And that can be used by the PNAC to shield them from criticism.
Things have gotten very complicated discerning motives of anonymous posters and this is quite an education in politics.
I've learned alot about psy-ops in government and see the same principles at this site.
DU has become even more of a psychological battleground lately and that reflects the country at large.

Ya mean he's a Moonie? Well, shut my mouth ... :o

[quote=tombstoned,Dec 23 2004, 07:16 PM]
[quote=rox63,Dec 23 2004, 08:12 PM]
Bean-spilling has begun. Lots of dirt on Bev Harris and BBV is going to be spilled as well.

You say that like it's a good thing.

[/quote]

I agree that the whole infighting thing is counterproductive. I'm sorry to have started this thread. I agree that its gotten hard to discern what is real and which is PsyOps. I think that is really Andy because many on DU know him personally and would immediately say if it was not him. A friend reading it though expressed doubts that the same person that we heard the other day in an interview who sounded so levelheaded could vent such anger so publically. It doesn't add to the credibility. Also it splits our energy. I think I wish he'd held it back till later. Don't know if there's anything there that will be beneficial to us.

The true Jedi Knights are e-democratics like us. Those in the spotlight will go through typical politics. But let our voices be heard, and riots and protests be our ultimate weapon.

I agree that the whole infighting thing is counterproductive. I'm sorry to have started this thread.


Jamboi, I don't think you should regret having started the thread: what is more important perhaps than the CONTENT of the infighting is the way that Andy clearly manipulated the psyches of all those "innocent bystanders" who really have no interest in the Bev-Bashing-Ball going on over there. Everyone THOUGHT he was going to have something significant to say about the election situation (specifically with regard to Kerry). Looks to me like he deliberately set it up to trick all of us looking for real information to go in there and put ourselves through the Bev bashing. Now, how anyone can fail to get tombstoned over there for calling someone a "devious b*tch" I dunno.

These indicate REAL problems within our respective movements and communities. Problems that we are going to have to address if we ever hope to see REAL, paradigmatic and long-term change.

There are mountains of misogyny, mountains of resentment, I-me-ism, poor-me-ism, blaming the victim, and just plain nastiness written between the lines of those posts. Those issues need to be addressed because even a "regime change" in this country is not going to make those issues go away.

Yeah, the author of "devious b*tch" has been just incredibly nasty and outspokenly negative on BH. That sh*t is allowed to stand on DU and I get tombstoned. Go figure.

You and I both. (And a whole lot more highly intelligent, highly sensitive and constructive folks who must be seen as assets to any grassroots political movement and/or message board; it would be a different story if you and I were the exceptions--we aren't, as you and I both know). And that is the only reason it's a matter worth pursuing: that is, not the content and the specifics, but the "what the hell is REALLY going on here?" I mean it's starting to look like classically Rovian character assassination and negative campaigning.

(Did you miss the comment in my first post here where I said "Hey JamBoi, yes it's been a catastrophic success, but if you ever hope to save the universe, you must never say never.")

Yes, I missed that one. Did you come by my http://jamboi.mydd.com blog and check in with the other exiled DUers? Also hopefully this afternoon I'll start a new blog just about this at http://jbei.blogspot.com . Hope to get the time.

I haven't been to your diaries since I last posted there; I scanned through the rest of the exiled DU-ers stuff a few days ago, but have been busy, busy, busy. guess I'm not ready to get too much into the fray--just think it disappointing to see these disturbing patterns. My thought is that the issues can also be addressed independent of DU and how they are manifest there. I wouldn't approve of DU-bashing any more than Bev-bashing; I only draw attention to it as something that is problematic in liberal communities.

Call it the subject effect of living in a world of insanity, corruption, war and greed; in other words, "trickle down treachery". Whether we like it (or can even admit it), certain patterns established by the ruling elite insidiously make their way into our own behaviors--we replicate them in many ways. If we are honest and vigilant about those tendencies within our own communities, I think we can counter the ubiquity and omniscience of the propaganda, the brainwashing and the "trickle down" effect of personal, professional and political pathologies raining down on us from the "top".

But that can't happen if we continue to sweep them under the carpet or somehow pretend just because the content and the cause may be different, many of the same underlying and CAUSAL pathologies are not at work within our communities. They are.

I agree that I'd rather mostly avoid DU basing and proceed on to fighting the main fight. However I'm going to put up http://jbei.blogspot.com so all the unjustly tombstoned can have a place to compare notes and see if there is anything we can do to have our greivances adressed. I much prefer to keep it positive and see what we can do to reconcile.

JamBoi,

Just got your invitation to join your aptly named new group "tombstoned" -- now I know that screen names are generally not considered "proprietary" or "copyrighted," but I really don't appreciate you calling your group "tombstoned". Is this another one of those 250 million to one "coincidences" or could it be that you found your inspiration for that title right here? (Certainly looks that way)

As you well know, I certainly don't suffer from a lack of imagination when it comes to screen names, but -- you know there's a sort of "cyber-schizophrenia" setting in here with the constant name-changing; now, unless you change the name of your discussion group, I'm going to have
to change my screenname--lest I risk being unwillingly affiliated with your "tombstoned" group; I guess the alternative would be to get the hell out of the message boards--that's looking like the more likely and easier option. Anyway.

Hey tombstoned. Actually I didn't come up with the name, didn't name or start the group (I'm just a moderator there) and didn't think much about it when the originator did, but I'm pretty sure we can still alter the name. Didn't mean to annoy you. I don't have the power to change it immediately, but I promise I'll get right on trying to contact the owner. On the positive side we're definitely meaning to stay on the constructive, reconciling mode, so you don't have to worry that we'd be slagging DU or anybody else. I totally hope you'll join us!

JamBoi

Okay tombstoned, I e-mailed the owner and will try to effect a change ASAP. Hope to see you there.

ttys,

JamBoi

Sounds good -- actually, in the spirit of compromise, I'll give you this much: suggest calling it tombstonedtoo ...

PS
what does ttys stand for?

You guys all sound skit-zo and right now I'm not into multiples.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...&mesg_id=192757

I am requesting a full accounting via certified mail for all the funds on BBV

I made donations and am very upset that there is any chance of fraud

Also, I am asking Randi Rhodes to request this info.

Within 30 days, if the info is not received I will procede using statues on

non-profit.orgs

I am sick and tired of being used and de-frauded

Will you boys quit playing around and go do something useful?

(not you, gmanders)

W O L V E R I N E S ! ! ! !

Quit playing Red Dawn again. Your X-wing fighter is ready, pointing north. Please attend to business.

:D

Let me know if I can be of assistance re. private non profit disclosures and statutes...I ran one for 12 years.
mtnmagic

So, will someone please get these people together in a room somewhere with no movable tables and chairs....provide water...and let 'em have a good old fashioned b*tch session ASAP!!! Good grief, already...

Egos - downfall of ALL good in-tensions <_<

Too funny.