Maybe senator(s) will. Maybe they won't. We know they should. But for them it is political suicide. Anyone who challenges the vote will-for sure-never be elected to another public political office. So much for doing what you should. Kudos to those-if any-who are brave enough to throw their futures away to stand up for what is right.

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How do ya figure? Actually it may strengthen their support and set them up for a bigger office. Depends if they are from a strong blue or red state. I find this statement illogical, the actual problem is not the voters support, but instead the "political clicks" they are a part of. It may give these Senators a look of strength in standing up for the freedom of our nation.

If there is sufficient reason to challenge the election then they should do it, the people they represent want them to uphold justice and freedom for them, that’s their job. I would if there was sufficient evidence to support the fraudulent election or recount. And it looks like there is, we’ll see what unfolds next week.

Challenging the vote is not political suicide, it is exactly the opposite. Think about it, we feel certain this election was won hands down by John Kerry. That means the majority of Americans do want him to be President. So, the majority of Americans would wholeheartedly support any representative that would support an investigation or a vote to throw out the electoral college votes from Ohio. If I were in office and thought we could have a chance for election reform or rectifying the theft of Americans votes, I would stand up tall and proud to defend the rights of all voters. I think any congressperson who would want a chance to be reelected would agree. As I have said before and will say again, I want honest elections regardless what candidate wins. I do believe many republicans feel the same way. A vote for us is a vote for the democracy of ALL Americans.

How isn't it? When the senators stand up to the plate they will be castigated by their peers from both parties and more importantly by the right-wing controlled media. They will never see or hear the end of it and their political career will be finished.

That's actually not the case. Only 20% of Americans are convinced that this election was not completely legitimate. Probably only a much smaller percentage of those people actually believe that Kerry won hands down.

That's probably not true either. But even if it were they could not avoid the endless brainwashing of the right-wing media. Eventually, they would be convinced of the incorrectness of the representative's decision.

Well kudos to you then. If you are willing to flush your political career down the drain, then stand up for what's right. But most politicians today don't have the courage for it.

I do, by the way, know that Kerry won Ohio and therefore also the election. But that is not enough to change things. It takes a lot of courage to stand up to the corrupt. I just think in this particular case that its risk assessment versus its likely benefit is way too high to justify doing it.

I will be so disappointed in our party if no one has the bulls to take this chance!

I don't think it is political suicide at all to challenge this vote. I think that ultimately, those who don't challenge it, when the fraud is proven, will have been like lemmings into the sea, blindly committing suicide without having known it.

I do think this will be the true test of our system. If only a couple of brave senators will stand up, it will reinforce the fact that our system is based on justice.

The peers are not the people who elect them. The voters do.



Only because we are not doing a better job of spreading the word - I have talked to many who didn't know there was fraud being investigated - they indicated they had wondered about it but because it wasn't on the news they thought everything must have been okay. When Kerry takes this issue on - the news will cover it. Your 20% will increase.



See previous statement



I am taking a risk of flushing a business I worked very hard to build down the drain to stand up for what is right. I am sure I am not the only one taking the risk.



The benefit of doing it is saving democracy. Saving the lives of our troops in Iraq. Saving the freedoms we love. Saving our country from the corporate takeover. The benefit does justify the risk.

If Vermont Senator Jim Jeffords stood up, it would be the opposite of political suicide . . . at least as far as getting the votes of Vermonters. He's a likely candidate because he was brave enough to take a stand and leave the Republicans when they needed him for a majority. In addition, I read in today's local rag that a young female relative of his who is in the Guard is on her way to Iraq. Any senator who comes forward would immediately be a hero to half the population. That has to count for something.

Someone who stands up and does this, I would move to that state and

support them in the next election if needed.

I will contribute to their campaign regardless what district or state they are in. Not that I have alot of money to contribute, but I will do it.

You are right. The risk is worth taking. Unfortunately most people are afraid to take the risk in America. As I have said before it meant more in the Ukraine than democracy in America because people here are too complacent, fat and happy with just the way it is......

Frankly, if they don't find the courage at this juncture, they need to stop taking up space in Congress. Their seats need to be filled with people who value democracy.

What I don't understand is those Senators who are near retirement. They have nothing to lose. Why don't they stand up? I read even some Republicans are challenging BushCo standing up for Ohio. That tells you a lot.

I thought it was spelled "challanging" he he he :D

Amen to that one. Maybe the dems should look into to that.

We need to impeach every one of them that doesn't stand up! We still have that right, ya know! We have that right and we are not afraid to use it

What gets me the most is if Dubya gets away with it and gets re-elected with no trouble, when it is clearly Kerry's position.

Two good candidates for this would be
- Ted Kennedy, there is no way we won't re-elect him, so he could really do anything he wants.
but more immediatley
-John Edwards. He won't be in politics for at least the next 2 years (unless there is an overturn of the election), and would have to run for congress or carpetbagg a givenorship. He has ALREADY lost his senate seat, so why not give it a shot.
(Three of them actually, what about our senate minority leader who has ALSO lost his seat, so ALSO has nothing to lose ... Hey, fourth senator - Bob Graham, he's retiring, why not give the GoP the finger before he goes).

Okay, so I had two names before I started posting and now have four. We lost more senate seats, and there have to be more "safe" senators as well. So it's not a case of "political suicide", more a question of "can they be bothered?".

It's time for us to realize...

i. The election was stolen by G.W. Bush but no one important/powerful enough to do something about either cares and/or is going to do something about it. If such a person tries, he/she will be media-fied (the media version of crucifixion).
ii. The war in Iraq was begun under a false pretense. It is, however, at least as irresponsible to pull out of it before order has been restored. Think of the millions of people who were executed in Iraq prior to Saddam's regime collapsing. How ironic is it that only when people you know or care about are dying that you care? And now they are the only ones in the equation?! Serves you right!
iii. G.W. Bush is a puppet. He does what he is told to do. He would like us to do the same. All his masters own the media company and probably every personal piece of information about anyone who would cause too much of a ruckus. Wake up! We don't live in a democracy anymore.

please sign petition to senators to challenge the vote

http://capwiz.com/pdamerica/mail/oneclick_...alertid=6770366

posted on another thread, but I want to make sure these senators know we are holding them accountable to be our voice.

No, it is not political suicide at all.