Two sites have released this document:
http://www.pdamerica.org
http://www.pdamerica.org/field/final%20status%20report.pdf
http://rawstory.rawprint.com/105/final_con..._report_105.php
I check the House Judiciary site, nothing there yet.
(I'm at work and distracted as ever.)
Full Version: Conyers Ohio Report
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Stalin is right. Obviously, Bush is a student of Stalin. So is Karl Rove.
Does the article mention Diebold? Or is it just about vote suppression?
Does the article mention Diebold? Or is it just about vote suppression?
QUOTE(searchingforsanity @ Jan 5 2005, 12:54 PM)
(I'm at work and distracted as ever.)
Be careful!
QUOTE(rayray222 @ Jan 5 2005, 11:45 AM)
Stalin is right. Obviously, Bush is a student of Stalin. So is Karl Rove.
Does the article mention Diebold? Or is it just about vote suppression?
Does the article mention Diebold? Or is it just about vote suppression?
Hmmmm... seems to me someone on this site has said things like this several times:
"As for Conyers, honestly, he is mostly posturing. Notice how he will always place the emphasis on the disenfranchisement of black voters. Not that there was outright fraud."
C'mon people!!! What is the best way to fight a war? Using tactics and strategy based on what you BELIEVE to be the truth or based on what actually IS???
I hate to say 'I told ya so', but I get so damn used to it. :D
For those who don't the time to read all 102 pages, here's a summary posted on Truthout:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_05/010605Y.shtml
http://www.truthout.org/docs_05/010605Y.shtml
Direct quote from page 10 of the pdf document: (sorry about the poor cut and paste, but I've only got a 30 minute lunch):
In addition, a challenge has been filed
to the Ohio results asserting, to a level of
sworn proof beyond a reasonable doubt, that
Senator Kerry, not President Bush, was the
actual victor of the Presidential race in Ohio.
Kenneth Blackwell is adamantly refusing to
answer any questions under oath in regard to
election irregularities or results. He is
apparently counting upon Congress accepting
the votes of the electors and, as an immediate
consequence, the Ohio Supreme Court
dismissing the citizens' election contest.
Committee Members and other
interested Members have gone to substantial
lengths to ascertain the facts of this matter.
The investigation by Congressman Conyers
and the Democratic staff of the House Judiciary Committee into the irregularities reported in the
Ohio presidential election has also included the following efforts:
snip
This is pretty big stuff, don't you think???
In addition, a challenge has been filed
to the Ohio results asserting, to a level of
sworn proof beyond a reasonable doubt, that
Senator Kerry, not President Bush, was the
actual victor of the Presidential race in Ohio.
Kenneth Blackwell is adamantly refusing to
answer any questions under oath in regard to
election irregularities or results. He is
apparently counting upon Congress accepting
the votes of the electors and, as an immediate
consequence, the Ohio Supreme Court
dismissing the citizens' election contest.
Committee Members and other
interested Members have gone to substantial
lengths to ascertain the facts of this matter.
The investigation by Congressman Conyers
and the Democratic staff of the House Judiciary Committee into the irregularities reported in the
Ohio presidential election has also included the following efforts:
snip
This is pretty big stuff, don't you think???
QUOTE(brossignol @ Jan 5 2005, 12:21 PM)
Hmmmm... seems to me someone on this site has said things like this several times:
"As for Conyers, honestly, he is mostly posturing. Notice how he will always place the emphasis on the disenfranchisement of black voters. Not that there was outright fraud."
C'mon people!!! What is the best way to fight a war? Using tactics and strategy based on what you BELIEVE to be the truth or based on what actually IS???
I hate to say 'I told ya so', but I get so damn used to it. :D
"As for Conyers, honestly, he is mostly posturing. Notice how he will always place the emphasis on the disenfranchisement of black voters. Not that there was outright fraud."
C'mon people!!! What is the best way to fight a war? Using tactics and strategy based on what you BELIEVE to be the truth or based on what actually IS???
I hate to say 'I told ya so', but I get so damn used to it. :D
You know, generally I would agree that it would be a waste of time and energy to pursue an unlikely and unacheivable goal. But, just this morning I realized that without this type of BELIEF MOTIVATED ACTION, we would still be ruled by the British Monarchy. What things are possible with a little faith? What things have been invented or discovered because some refuse to accept the common explanation? Because some one had the motivation to follow a hunch, leading to fact, yeilding change.
QUOTE(Sensible4all @ Jan 5 2005, 01:41 PM)
You know, generally I would agree that it would be a waste of time and energy to pursue an unlikely and unacheivable goal. But, just this morning I realized that without this type of BELIEF MOTIVATED ACTION, we would still be ruled by the British Monarchy. What things are possible with a little faith? What things have been invented or discovered because some refuse to accept the common explanation? Because some one had the motivation to follow a hunch, leading to fact, yeilding change.
Someone else today said it only takes one person to make a difference. Looks like Conyers is going to be that person. It will be nice if he has a senator standing with him, it would sure make it quicker, but if not, we will go the long route!
Hip, hip, hooray!
QUOTE(EvelyninTexas @ Jan 5 2005, 12:44 PM)
Someone else today said it only takes one person to make a difference. Looks like Conyers is going to be that person. It will be nice if he has a senator standing with him, it would sure make it quicker, but if not, we will go the long route!
Hip, hip, hooray!
Hip, hip, hooray!
I hope you're right.
QUOTE(prettyflower1976 @ Jan 5 2005, 01:50 PM)
I hope you're right.
Go here and spend a few minutes to read the report. It's worth it!
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http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/for...=0&#entry128541
It's now posted at the official site:
http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/
http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/
QUOTE
Preserving Democracy: What Went Wrong in Ohio
A Status Report of the House Judiciary Committee Democratic Staff
Appendix A - Video the Vote A Film by Linda Byrket http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/v...0the%20vote.mov
Text of Fundraising Letter from Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/b...draisingltr.pdf
A Status Report of the House Judiciary Committee Democratic Staff
Appendix A - Video the Vote A Film by Linda Byrket http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/v...0the%20vote.mov
Text of Fundraising Letter from Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/b...draisingltr.pdf
QUOTE(Sensible4all @ Jan 5 2005, 12:41 PM)
You know, generally I would agree that it would be a waste of time and energy to pursue an unlikely and unacheivable goal. But, just this morning I realized that without this type of BELIEF MOTIVATED ACTION, we would still be ruled by the British Monarchy. What things are possible with a little faith? What things have been invented or discovered because some refuse to accept the common explanation? Because some one had the motivation to follow a hunch, leading to fact, yeilding change.
Well, I would have to argue that they had pretty solid evidence of the wrongdoings of the British.
STOP WHAT YOU ARE DOING and get this into the faces of every newspaper outlet in the country.
1. Call your local paper. Give them the link to the house judiciary committee site - http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/ - tell them about Preserving Democracy: What Went Wrong in Ohio
A Status Report of the House Judiciary Committee Democratic Staff
as well as to the appendicies
Appendix A - Video the Vote A Film by Linda Byrket http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/v...0the%20vote.mov
Text of Fundraising Letter from Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/b...draisingltr.pdf
2. Send this to as many media outlets you can (I'm taking care of Guardian, AFP, Asia Times, etc.). Use DU's media blaster - http://www.democraticunderground.com/cu/cu.php?az=blaster
JUST DO IT!
1. Call your local paper. Give them the link to the house judiciary committee site - http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/ - tell them about Preserving Democracy: What Went Wrong in Ohio
A Status Report of the House Judiciary Committee Democratic Staff
as well as to the appendicies
Appendix A - Video the Vote A Film by Linda Byrket http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/v...0the%20vote.mov
Text of Fundraising Letter from Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/b...draisingltr.pdf
2. Send this to as many media outlets you can (I'm taking care of Guardian, AFP, Asia Times, etc.). Use DU's media blaster - http://www.democraticunderground.com/cu/cu.php?az=blaster
JUST DO IT!
Done!
QUOTE
After the election the Washington Post also reported that in Franklin County, "27 of the 30 wards with the most machines per registered voter showed majorities for Bush. At the other end of the spectrum, 6 of the 7 wards with the fewest machines delivered large margins for Kerry". (Page 25-26)
There are 102 pages here you know. Lots of good stuff if you are objective and/or patient enough to read it.
I saw the meetings with Conyers on cspan. Some of the folks were certifiable.
There are voting irregularities, always.....the weather always affects output of voters.
Race and class always affects treatment at polling places.
It is against the law to campaign within a certain footage of a poll. I have been made to take off a button I had on, (I forgot I had it on) anmd was almost refused an opportunity to vote.
Voters have got to learn their rights and get involved.
We can redo the whole system, but everyone turning out to vote at the same time is a problem
I am watching the video over and over and I see much to complain about but what laws are broken?
We need to change the day of voting to a weekenend or more than one day or night time hours or something.
Arrrgh!
There are voting irregularities, always.....the weather always affects output of voters.
Race and class always affects treatment at polling places.
It is against the law to campaign within a certain footage of a poll. I have been made to take off a button I had on, (I forgot I had it on) anmd was almost refused an opportunity to vote.
Voters have got to learn their rights and get involved.
We can redo the whole system, but everyone turning out to vote at the same time is a problem
I am watching the video over and over and I see much to complain about but what laws are broken?
We need to change the day of voting to a weekenend or more than one day or night time hours or something.
Arrrgh!
I know of counties that have extended voting hours when turnout was higher than expected.
We need to revamp the voting process but will never agree on how.
If you watched the cspan coverage there were disagreements on just this stuff.
Solutions instead of complaints. What organizations are any of you with that have real solutions and ideas?
Help and post some links. Nonpartisan links are better when looking at voting laws and solutions.
We need to revamp the voting process but will never agree on how.
If you watched the cspan coverage there were disagreements on just this stuff.
Solutions instead of complaints. What organizations are any of you with that have real solutions and ideas?
Help and post some links. Nonpartisan links are better when looking at voting laws and solutions.
QUOTE(dante @ Jan 5 2005, 02:47 PM)
I saw the meetings with Conyers on cspan. Some of the folks were certifiable.
There are voting irregularities, always.....the weather always affects output of voters.
Race and class always affects treatment at polling places.
It shouldn't!!!
It is against the law to campaign within a certain footage of a poll. I have been made to take off a button I had on, (I forgot I had it on) anmd was almost refused an opportunity to vote.
Voters have got to learn their rights and get involved.
We can redo the whole system, but everyone turning out to vote at the same time is a problem
I am watching the video over and over and I see much to complain about but what laws are broken?
Read the report, it specifies which laws were broken, or alleged to have been broken, for the purists!
We need to change the day of voting to a weekenend or more than one day or night time hours or something.
Doesn't the election of a president once every four years call for a national holiday for voting?
Arrrgh!
There are voting irregularities, always.....the weather always affects output of voters.
Race and class always affects treatment at polling places.
It shouldn't!!!
It is against the law to campaign within a certain footage of a poll. I have been made to take off a button I had on, (I forgot I had it on) anmd was almost refused an opportunity to vote.
Voters have got to learn their rights and get involved.
We can redo the whole system, but everyone turning out to vote at the same time is a problem
I am watching the video over and over and I see much to complain about but what laws are broken?
Read the report, it specifies which laws were broken, or alleged to have been broken, for the purists!
We need to change the day of voting to a weekenend or more than one day or night time hours or something.
Doesn't the election of a president once every four years call for a national holiday for voting?
Arrrgh!
QUOTE(EvelyninTexas @ Jan 5 2005, 02:52 PM)
What group is advocating a national holiday? I seem to remember it being raised in past years.
QUOTE
I would campaign for a national holiday for every year's elections. I think it all starts locally. If most of these Ohio voters were voting in other elections they would be wiser to the idiots that sometimes staff polling places.
What group is advocating a national holiday? I seem to remember it being raised in past years.
What group is advocating a national holiday? I seem to remember it being raised in past years.
How about Veteran's day? Combine the two -- voting day and Veteran's Day. I couldn't think of a more appropriate holiday. Make sure that the holiday falls on a Tuesday, however, so people don't take 3 day weekends and miss the election. We could call it V day. V for veterans, V for voting, V for victory for democracy.
Hey, that's cool! Damned good idea.
QUOTE(MrJim @ Jan 5 2005, 03:10 PM)
How about Veteran's day? Combine the two -- voting day and Veteran's Day. I couldn't think of a more appropriate holiday. Make sure that the holiday falls on a Tuesday, however, so people don't take 3 day weekends and miss the election. We could call it V day. V for veterans, V for voting, V for victory for democracy.
Hey, that's cool! Damned good idea.
The three day thing would work in the favor of the poor. It is the smug class that takes off for three days. Hey, that's cool! Damned good idea.
But seriously that is one issue that has been used against the holiday idea. It is a bogus issue. You hae a good answer.
Now where is the org supporting and doing outreach on this?
I would hate to reinvent the wheel here. There has to be others doing this.
Help. So many opinions here yet so little advise and concrete help. Where to go, who is doing this if anybody?
QUOTE(PaineInTheArse @ Jan 5 2005, 11:47 AM)
Be careful!
Yes, me also. Have you taken action about the Social Security sending letters to Editors of papers? I try to do all my activist work here at work, my computer at home is not the best.
QUOTE(dante @ Jan 5 2005, 03:02 PM)
I would campaign for a national holiday for every year's elections. I think it all starts locally. If most of these Ohio voters were voting in other elections they would be wiser to the idiots that sometimes staff polling places.
What group is advocating a national holiday? I seem to remember it being raised in past years.
What group is advocating a national holiday? I seem to remember it being raised in past years.
That group would be me. But, isn't it a great idea? Solves many of the problems of people not being able to take off work, etc.
New info added to site:
http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/ohioquotes.pdf
Eyewitness Accounts of Ohio Voter Disenfranchisement
http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/ohioquotes.pdf
Eyewitness Accounts of Ohio Voter Disenfranchisement
Take a look at this, we're finally seeing some MSM coverage!!!! This is just the first page.
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To steal from Hubert Humphrey, I am as pleased as punch! :D :D :D :D
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To steal from Hubert Humphrey, I am as pleased as punch! :D :D :D :D
PITA, I'm so glad you do all this googling for us! I am a happy girl tonight. Even if not one darn thing happens tomorrow, the pot is getting stirred. It'll boil over soon.
Thanks for the update. These affidavits are quite damning to say the least. What are we going to have to resort to to get these crooks thrown in jail?
How come everything else I read--literally everything--says there's no way this will change the outcome of the election, then list off all these extremely abnormal activities that occured in Ohio as....what? Proof that it won't change it? The charges seem to prove potential fraud, but the article always concludes with no specific mention of fraud, just disenfranchisement. I don't get it. How is there no way to change the election if you can prove fraud occured? Does that mean, if you get away with it without specifically being caught red-handed on election day, then it doesn't matter if you've committed fraud--the other guy loses anyway??
QUOTE(starrygalore @ Jan 5 2005, 09:37 PM)
How come everything else I read--literally everything--says there's no way this will change the outcome of the election, then list off all these extremely abnormal activities that occured in Ohio as....what? Proof that it won't change it? The charges seem to prove potential fraud, but the article always concludes with no specific mention of fraud, just disenfranchisement. I don't get it. How is there no way to change the election if you can prove fraud occured? Does that mean, if you get away with it without specifically being caught red-handed on election day, then it doesn't matter if you've committed fraud--the other guy loses anyway??
Well, I think patience is called for. Conyers was the person we could count on for Watergate and he is the person we can count on now. Tomorrow is just the beginning.
QUOTE(starrygalore @ Jan 5 2005, 08:37 PM)
How come everything else I read--literally everything--says there's no way this will change the outcome of the election, then list off all these extremely abnormal activities that occured in Ohio as....what? Proof that it won't change it? The charges seem to prove potential fraud, but the article always concludes with no specific mention of fraud, just disenfranchisement. I don't get it. How is there no way to change the election if you can prove fraud occured? Does that mean, if you get away with it without specifically being caught red-handed on election day, then it doesn't matter if you've committed fraud--the other guy loses anyway??
All I can figure is that the fraud issue is actually BIGGER than just the election. I think the plan is to take down the presidency over the fraud issues. That will either take down the republican party with it or clean some radical house.
QUOTE(EvelyninTexas @ Jan 5 2005, 09:42 PM)
All I can figure is that the fraud issue is actually BIGGER than just the election. I think the plan is to take down the presidency over the fraud issues. That will either take down the republican party with it or clean some radical house.
...But the only way to take down the Republican party is to take down the MSM. Hmmm...
Race and class didn't affect the voting at my precinct in Maryland. The blacks, whites, Latinos, Asians, and Arabs all waited in the same long lines. And we had something like 10-15 voting machines.
QUOTE(Sensible4all @ Jan 5 2005, 12:41 PM)
You know, generally I would agree that it would be a waste of time and energy to pursue an unlikely and unacheivable goal. But, just this morning I realized that without this type of BELIEF MOTIVATED ACTION, we would still be ruled by the British Monarchy. What things are possible with a little faith? What things have been invented or discovered because some refuse to accept the common explanation? Because some one had the motivation to follow a hunch, leading to fact, yeilding change.
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My family has been on this continent for about 300 years. Without faith, they could not have fought in the Revolutionary War. Without faith, they could not have crossed the Appalacian Mountains in a Conestoga wagon. Without faith, they would not have survived fighting in America's wars. Without faith, none of us would be here today. Keep the faith, no matter what happens tomorrow!
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How come everything else I read--literally everything--says there's no way this will change the outcome of the election, then list off all these extremely abnormal activities that occured in Ohio as....what? Proof that it won't change it? The charges seem to prove potential fraud, but the article always concludes with no specific mention of fraud, just disenfranchisement. I don't get it. How is there no way to change the election if you can prove fraud occured? Does that mean, if you get away with it without specifically being caught red-handed on election day, then it doesn't matter if you've committed fraud--the other guy loses anyway??
This would be an interesting court case. I'm not sure what would happen -- if a revote would be ordered.
But the courts are usually more interested in social stability than anything else. So they'd probably rule that the election stood.
However, I still see the possibility of a LOT of people ending up in jail. If a trail can be found to the top, then impeachment would be in order.
I agree that this sucks. A fraudulent election should not be allowed to stand.
QUOTE(MrJim @ Jan 5 2005, 02:10 PM)
How about Veteran's day? Combine the two -- voting day and Veteran's Day. I couldn't think of a more appropriate holiday. Make sure that the holiday falls on a Tuesday, however, so people don't take 3 day weekends and miss the election. We could call it V day. V for veterans, V for voting, V for victory for democracy.
Hey, that's cool! Damned good idea.
Hey, that's cool! Damned good idea.
That's a really great idea! You should write to all the organizations working on vote fraud etc. with this idea!
It's the kind of sound-bite that goes over really well. And, I do agree about Tuesday being better than the 3-day weekend, because often that leads to confusion of days; people forget which day it is by the end, especially if they stay home because they couldn't afford to go anywhere.
Vote - Victory - Veterans: One day, one way for freedom!
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