OMG FRIST IS A CAT KILLER

I am really mad about this!

Ok who's next?

Nope.

It just seems to me, abortions, and wars deserve more attention then cats. People strike me as so weird, you got pro-lifers that don't give a crap what haapens after birth, pro-choicers screaming bloody murder over animals and wars, and me who thinks both sides need work. Life doesn't end at birth, but It begins before it. Id much rather use cats for research then abort human fetuses or fight wars. Cry for humanity first, then we work on animal rights. People For The Ethical Treatment Of Humans ....

He better never get within reach of me and my pup. Dante loves cats but hates blowhard doctors. They neutered him.

And, Dante, Frist would probably neuter you, too.

We each have important issues to attack. I suggest you put your efforts into that.

Respecting life is always an issue for me. To assume this is my only issue is unfounded.

best wishes marie

Don't worry Dante I'm not going to let the CAT KILLER near your pup.

feline Mengele?

Is there a place on the net I read the portion of the book that contains this, being this is a autobiography I'd suspect there's more to it.

From the following, I don't get the impression this was for legitimate medical research:



I used to work at the bench and my research, unfortunately, did require use of rats and mice (luckily, I was getting DNA so I could use halothane). Cats and sheep are the most common animals used for physiology research and you didn't go to the SPCA pretending to adopt them. All research using animals must be justified, detailed and approved by an animal use committee and using them to practice surgical skills doesn't sound too necessary, helpful or even remotely legitimate to me.

BTW - I left the lab about 13 years ago and I could locate records detailing every animal I used.

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=14308

Well, in defense of Frist, which would you rather have happen, especially if dubya gets his tort reform, a surgeon who has honed his skills on small animals, or a butcher who hasn't practiced enough?

Sorry, this day is just too bizarre.

You are right, most of us are pro-choice. We are not pro-execution or pro-murder, though. We don't have a problem with spaying or neutering animals or even aborting them. Killing them after they are born is something altogether different. Personally, I like most animals more than I do most people. Especially my ferret. He is like my kid.

Uh...you are missing the whole argument in your argument above - the key word beyond "pro-" is CHOICE.

PERSONAL CHOICE. Since there is a completely anal focus on the EGG (hence the FEMALE) rather than the SPERM (the MALE) - the CHOICE IS THE FEMALE'S TO MAKE.

I would say if a MALE had to account for EVERY sperm he SPILLS - YES, SPILLS...KILLS...KILLS THAT FAMILY JEWEL...EVERY....TIME....there would be PR0-CHOICE inna second...... <_<

IT'S A PERSONAL CHOICE. IT IS PRIVATE. IT IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS OR THE GOVERNMENT'S BUSINESS IF A PERSON DECIDES ON A LEGAL MEDICAL PROCEDURE.

NEXT will be the "OK" needed for tubetieing or vasectomy - THINK ABOUT THAT.

"It was, of course, a heinous and dishonest thing to do," he wrote. "And I was totally schizoid about the entire matter. By day, I was little Billy Frist, the boy who lived on Bowling Avenue in Nashville and had decided to become a doctor because of his gentle father and a dog named Scratchy. By night, I was Dr. William Harrison Frist, future cardiothoracic surgeon, who was not going to let a few sentiments about cute, furry little creatures stand in the way of his career. In short, I was going a little crazy."

OnlyinNY,

I object to your comments because you passed a judgement on me personally that simply isn't true. Now please continue with your ambitions I have no disagreement with them. But not here. I have never made one comment on any of the topics you raised.
There are many people who volunteer selflessly at Humane Societies and you just insulted their efforts. Some consideration to those efforts is needed.

Thanks marie

[quote=karo,Jan 6 2005, 09:30 PM]
May I show you the way to the correct thread for abortion:

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http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/for...hp?showforum=13

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Cool, But you know what they say,,,,Theres more then one way to skin a Cat....

This isn't surprising. It seems that most of the good ole boys in the republican party liked to torture innocent animals. Bush had frogs, Frist has cats.

No wonder the guy is so confussed to think you could contract AIDS from tear drops and sweat.

Doesn't this violate some type of ethics code for doctors. Me, I'm PROLIFE all the way, but I don't force my opinion on others. I also believe in Buddah, doesn't mean I expect the rest of the country to as well.

As I said I prefer not to talk about Dahmer. Thanks for respecting the fact that it brings up some difficult issues about a friend who was murdered some years ago. Her case was sited during Dahmer and many others....Susan Smith etc. It was a precident setting case. Dahmer was the next case where it was used.It is sited in every trial involving an insanity plea and a guilty verdict. Not a happy topic for me.

OK but it was first thing the post made me think of . I watch alot of TV on that stuff, Hate the newer shows, reality tv is like real plastic. Not much to brag about.

Well I'm glad you didn't think nice thoughts. Thanks.

Did you actually read my post or are you just attacking me because I am pro-choice? I am an omnivore, not a supporter or PETA or any other terrorist/terrorist supporting organization. No, I don't think the fact that my basic science research included utilization of animals in the goal of advancing medical research and that I think when these animals are used they should be used only when necessary and in the most ethical and humane of manners is in any way inconsistent with being pro-choice.

Your "pro-life" stance is based on a belief that a conceptus is a discrete and sentient human being from the moment of fertilization. I do not believe that human life begins at conception (neither I nor my religion espouse this view). I do not believe a blastocyst, embryo or even a fetus has or should have the same rights as a living sentient human being, let alone rights that supercede those of its host which is, undoubtedly, an independent living, breathing human being.

Oh yeah, you do know that Frist is "Pro Life" - isn't his attitude regarding the sacredness of all life inconsistent here?

No way honey! Have you seen the pict of me and my pup? It is hard to see who is uglier and meaner, although I think I am it is open to question. Ugha bugha!Growwwwwwwwwwwl!

Dante - I like your dog. The Snuff

Hey, let's dump this smuck and meet up some where.? There's a hydrant around the corner. Leave a message. You snuff, I sniff ............whoopie...I mean Woof, woof!

I just noticed this thread. Grrrrrrrrrrr. I have been saying that a lot lately. That evil neocon fundamentalist better leave my kitty alone or I'll be dead on and he'll be dead meat. Dead, dead, dead.

That'll teach you, Butcher Bill Frisk.

Thank you for posting this, marie.

I not only like cats, I really like cats.

To paraphrase JFK-
Ich bin ein catlover.

morning,

I'm not a member of Peta (although I think they are good people) and I don't even have a problem with hunting as long as the animal is used for food. We have heards of 30-40 deer here and many are starving. I like all animals and feel they are a gift we sometimes overlook in our busy lives. I have 3 cats. We're all cat lovers in this house.. Of course my dog is a cutie too! Although she is smaller then my cats she keeps them on their feet.

Love the photos of your pup dante! This is my Heidi.......she's so tiny she fits in my purse. When she was a puppy she fit in my coat pocket.



As far as Frist goes..........his picture should be on a wanted poster in every Humane Society Shelter.

Frist's use of cats was illegal according to the Animal Welfare Act - originally passed in 1966, and amended in 1970.

http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/legislat/awa.htm

If one studies this webpage - Frist was acting as a research facility(section 2-e)
Under the law, research facilities are licensed or registered (sec 3 & 6).

He violated the law numerous times in section 7, 10, 12, 13 & 14. The penalty for each violation of the law is $2500 per violation, and for each day in violation. There is also a penalty of no more than 1 year in prison.

He also broke the law in not revealing to the shelter that he was a "research facility" - see http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/legislat/pl101624.htm

Frist admitted to this, so he admits to breaking federal law numerous times.
What this says is that his ambition was greater than the law. Tennesseans, is that who you want as a Senator???

Frist, I mean "First, Marie. I am sorry about my size of the dog post, but that is not a dog...... a yipper or a yapper but not a barker. Definitely not a barker Woof! Although Dante tried to pee on the keyboard and send your pup a pee-mail.


Also I think it would be more appropriate to be Frist's picture on the bottom of every litter box. No?


NY, I am two of the three above. Wanna guess which ones?

Have you ever given the 2 shots to put an animal to death?
Have you ever worked for a animal shelter?
The lies people tell you about a animal which 99% are untrue just so
they can dump the animal?

I am on the board of a large shelter. Non-profit and we only PTS animals
that are sick or can not be trained. Our biggest problem is with Pits
we get a lot of them and they are never trained. The big lies is that they
are mean and viscious. They can be but out of 90 I worked with only 1 bit me.
I am a cat person. The most feral kitty is turned around in 30-60 days of me
working with them. Only 3 out of about 1500 I worked with had to be put down
A great number of feral cats will never be lap kitties but are good for farms and
barns.

No matter how mean or agressive an animal can be, it still is hard to give them
the injections without feeling you are ending a life.

Growing up on a farm we slaughtered chickens, pigs and cows. I also hunt
for food. Not much now but we never wasted anything.

By the way, eating cats,dogs, monkeys or animals not raised for food is why diseases are cross mutating to people. Even deers with lyme disease may cross

Since I chose not to have children, my cats are like my kids. I broke it to my mom years ago that she wouldn't be getting a grandchildren out of me, and she'd have to make do with grand-kitties. So I find this pretty offensive on Frist's part. I think the part about lying to the animal shelters about adopting the cats, then taking them home and treating them as pets for a few days before killing them is especially disturbing. Sounds like the beginnings of a sociopath. :o

Several Posts were removed from this thread that were either offensive and against the rules or OFF TOPIC!

Thanks, Lcyberlina.

Yes thanx l.

We can get carried away. At times it is hard to see the light.

I think everyone if they are a decent human being loves their pets and we want to do our best for them. Some people however abuse their pets and it is a sad thing The sun and the moon and the stars revolves around most pets. My pet is spoiled he has doggie biscuits and he gets birthday and Christmas gifts. Talk about a pampered dog. But I love him and that's all that matters to me.

I adopted a shelter dog growing up and my college roommates adopted a cat from a local shelter affiliate that I ended up with custody of when my one roommate abrogated her responsibilities (I still have him, he turned 17 last August):





And I am the THIRD owner of the guy below, adopted from a local SPCA after being neglected and possibly abused by the original owners & turned in when he was almost 2.5 and then turned in by a second set of owners because he couldn't get along with their other dog (my guy was never socialized and has major fear aggression problems with other dogs because of it). I spent more on him the first year I had him than my borther spent on my nephew (I had him in therapy with a Vet who's an animal behaviourist, built a fence and had him in training for about 6 months). He's A LOT of work, but just when I'm ready to throttle him he sings (on command too), gives me sugar and reminds me how it's not his fault he doesn't understand.

Lcyberlina-Thanks

Dante------you're right she is a yapper but she's all dog! Unfortunately we don't have a yard so a very tiny dog suits us well. I bet your dog is your baby even though he's pretty big.

I have nothing but respect for people who volunteer their time at a shelter. Our local shelter doesn't put animals down.....unless they're sick and cannot be cured.

SAIS_ Your babies are so cute!!!!!

As for Frist! What a creepy odd person. Gives me the creeps completely!

I have to admit, I've never been a fan of Frist's but this admission surprises the hell out of me. This is a guy who runs on a morality platform. All my friends and co-workers who are docs say the same thing: you always come out of med school changed and that change is never for the better. He was doing this stuff through out med school to ensure he'd get a surgical internship and residency? How can you stand up on a platform to save a cluster of cells that may or may not develop into a human being without being ashamed of the lack of respect given to another independent living being? The bible may say that G-d gave man dominion over the animals, but dominion does not grant man the right to whatever he wishes to an animal without any regard for what's being done and why - improving his incisional technique doesn't seem to imply much of a benefit to outweigh the risk. Shouldn't he at least be ashamed of the laws he broke?

Yep, why Tennesseans keep electing him is beyond me. I've seen him up close too--he's as cold as ice, the butchering b*st*rd!

I still cannot fatham that kind of monsterous act. I know there are some issues out there that have grave importance....more than this but this is someone who represents the state of Tennessee and our country. How could we let someone like this get elected? Most folks have stories from college days but this is weirdo wacked out behavior.

ugggh!

A CONVERSATION FROM THE STATE OF KANSAS:


karo: "And Frist would probably neuter dante, too."

wpshreve: "Followed by a lobotomy, dontcha think?"

Your cats looks pretty good for 17! My vet has one that just turned 25 its funny when
you look at her. She looks like an old person in the face. But she still lives good
and get around jumping and all.

Thank goodness you adopted the dog. He would have been PTS in a shelter
environment. Many people do not realize if a dog bites in the shelter more than
twice it is lights out. Thats the law in NJ Sometimes people do not report
the bites which give them more chances. But the big thing is you hace to worry
about adopting out a pet that turns on the owner/family. If that happens which
it has in other shelters around the country it can CLOSE one down.

Those are the cutest pets!

Soangry, your cat and your dog are BEAUTIFUL!!! I admire you for having such a great heart and adopting these neglected pets.

My husband adopted two cats from the Irving, TX shelter when he was in college there. When he met me, the cats became mine!

This is Jules


and this is Rusty:

The cat looks a little mangy at the moment. He's been in renal failure for 3 years and at his last check up, even the vet said "he's STILL alive??!?" We're convinced he lives out of pure spite and will probably live until he's sure the dog is dead.

Every time I think I've had just too much with the dog's behavior problems, I remind myself that no one in their right mind would take him and he'd be put down. Somehow, I managed to adopt the dog version of me (and if I had known that's what he was, I'd have run screaming from the shelter). He's not vicious at all (the one thing we don't have in common, behaviorally). I don't think many people know there is a difference between a vicious animal (which, unfortunately, must be euthanized) and an aggressive one. He's a hound and one who'd never been trained or socialized at that. It's hard enough to train an adult dog and hounds, unfortunately, are among the most stubborn and difficult ones to train - so I gota bad combo there. The training center I used to take him to (for canine "good citizen" training and boarding when I have to travel) shut down about a year ago. He played well with the dogs in their yard, so he was getting socialized a bit. The last times I traveled, I had to kennel him at the vet so he's done some major backsliding and there's been an increase in his anxiety. I'm hunting around for another training center with a doggy daycare to see if I can get him back on track. I'd like to get him to a point that he could get along well with other dogs so I can get him another dog to play with. He's too territorial to do it in this house, but I may be able to do it if I move and he doesn't realize there's another dog at his house. The last thing I need is another dog, but he needs a dog playmate - he does too much damage to me.


Lcyb: your kitties are sooo cute:)

Here are my 2 children:

Jake is a Egyptian Mau (shelter kitty rescue) just turned 2


Oona is a F1 Bengal (part asian leopard- rescue kitty) 8 yrs old

Someone turned them in to a shelter? They are beautiful and you must get so many comments, especially on Oona who's an asbsoultely amazing looking animal.

You sure you're a guy. ..with cats an all?

Since we're showing off kitties I better share my girls. Hannah was a rescue. Someone dumped her and her sister on the side of the road during a ice storm. Thank goodness a man who was on his way home from work spotted one of the kittens and stopped to pick it up. He said he kept hearing another meow so he continued to look for it in the dark. The kitten had fallen down a ground hog hole so he went back to the pick up he was driving and got a shovel. The ground was frozen so he had to hack the ground until he reached her. That's our Hannah. Her tail was frost bitten and she lost the tip. Thank goodness for that good samaritin or they would not have made it. Meisha is a siamese. We got her because siamese are suppose to have been bred for mousing......and we live in a very old house and there are lots of nooks and crannies for mice to slip in. She's a pet quality siamese and not the applehead which are very expensive. She lived up to her ancesters reputation and began nailing mice when she was just 3 mos old. Chloe is Meisha's daughter. She is half siamese and half himalayen. Meisha and Chloe are inseperable. Hannah does not like them one bit but she does like our dog. Hannah was raised with our dogs (which we no longer have) so she immediately fell in love with our mini. They conspire to torment the siamese girls as much as possible.

Jake was 2 months old and the guy that brought him in said his wife did not want
him. I had just lost Katie (15yrs w/me)the month before and did not want anyone else.
Still hearbroken. He was put into quarantine for 4 weeks at the shelter. Everyday
he was jumping into my arms. So he adopted me.

The family that had Oona the parents divorced and the mother ended up with her
and did not want her. No one ever took the time to really bond with her. The last 2
years have been interesting. I was not sure they would be get along from the comments
the original family said. But they are best friends and she plaid mommy to Jake. Now
he is much bigger than her. Almost 5 pounds heavier. BTW Bengals and Maus are extremely active and into everything. Hanging from the rafters. Opening doors
flushing the toilets, making copies on the fax so the paper shoots out and they
swat it. Lurking to jump out at you and play tag. Then they run and hide waitin on
you to find them. Oh and they sit on tops of doors or run through the shower while
you are in it.

Never dull! BTW everyone has such cute kids!! They are so beautiful.

And yes I am a guy! I wish I could get a more exotic cat such as a savannah
but it is to hard when your not sure where you will be tomorrow.

Also even with the bengals, many states have outlawed out of ignorance
like Georgia and CT

gmanders your kitties are beautiful! It just goes to show you that even pure bred animals are given up to shelters all the time.

Lcyberlina, whoever created the myth that men don't like cats was probably not to secure with themselves. My hubby is also a cat lover. He thought I was joking about Frist. His comment about Frist was UGGH!

So who is Bill Frist REALLY?

Frist belongs to the Columbia HCA hospital/healthcare dynasty. He owns over 25 million dollars worth of HCA shares? [Columbia HCA recently agreed to pay a total of more than $1.7 billion in penalties, which makes them one of America's biggest corporate criminals].

For those pro lifers, HCA was one of only six companies excluded by Catholic Financial Services Corporation on the abortion issue. 89% of Frist's holdings are reported in this father and brother founded company.

Across the board, Frist is a hard-line right-winger, voting against labor rights, civil rights, women's rights and the environment at almost every opportunity. Frist in 2000 was a top recipient among Senators of money related to the healthcare industry.

Frist pushed heavily for money to fight AIDS and then back down in deference to GW. He killed ongoing litigation of parents with autistic children, who received Eli Lilly inoculations, by tacking it on the back of the Homeland Security vote.

HCA performs abortions? No hospital is required to do so and he's supposedly adamantly against them, and yet he'll allow his organization to perform them AND accept payment? Typical, willing to make a buck on something condemned as immoral.