I was curious to see which states contributed to the national popular vote win (or steal) for Bush. The table below shows state by state numbers of votes received by presidential candidates in 2000 and 2004, differences between the votes from two elections, and net gains of votes by Bush in 2004 election. Note that the votes for Nader in 2000 were considered as democratic votes.



Here is the punchline: The only states where Kerry made a net gain of votes were the District of Columbia (by 17,288 votes) and Vermont (by 13,266 votes). Vermont is the only state where paper ballots AND hand count are still used (37% of the total votes were hand-counted). Bush's net gains were small in Maine, New Hampshire, and Oregon where the state governments are strongly democratic.

More than 2 million votes for Bush came from California, Florida, New York, and Texas alone. Alabama, Georgia, New jersey, and, Tennessee gave Bush more than 250,000 votes each.

Here I strongly argue that we need to get rid of the computer tabulating machines controlled by partisan private companies and go back to paper ballots AND hand counting.

I also argue that we should absolutely ban lever voting machines that don't produce any verifiable paper ballots. The states where the number of democratic votes declined the most are Connecticut and New York where the majority of voters still use the lever machines.

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I still think it's odd that Barbara Boxer, who was re-elected by a 80% to 20% margin over her opponent, got 250,000 more votes than Kerry did.

indigoblue

You're right on the money. Even the military discontinued its internet voting project because it wasn't secure.

Yep, read my signature line. I've been saying it for a while:
Standardize the ballot for the presidency, nationwide. Paper ballots, with a circle your choice option, nothing fancy, nothing that can be miscontrued, with lots of public service announcements, in English and Spanish, other languages if necessary. Then count those ballots in the open, using volunteers from both parties, any indies that want to participate. The simpler, the better.

To steal paper ballots, they would have to abscond with ballot boxes, shred, burn, or bury them, all of which leave traces of some sort. I think this is the only way to restore any integrity to the system.

I have said this since Nov 2nd that it was not just one statee but all states
were manipulated. All tallies were changed so smegal would have more
popular votes(margin) but electoral college would be close

Therefore he could say I have a Mandate using the popular vote numbers

Notice on the matrix that there are NO states where Kerry received zero votes, or the other candidate either, this blows away that red state, blue state anachronism with which the media keeps misrepresenting the country. They have pounded and pounded away with this club.

Use of that has been highly detrimental and should be banned by MSM, but they won't police themselves.

Wish there would be an FCC fine for everytime that is brought up in commentary or used as a visual. It is a totally false impression of voting behavior.

lenal

Lenal

I agree. Look at the county by county map of 2004 by USA Today

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselect...4/countymap.htm

And just as important, look at the population density of the US

http://txsdc.tamu.edu/download/pdf/txcensus/2k_night.jpg

and

http://130.166.124.2/atlas.us1/US0001.GIF

We're really a Purple America

http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/

http://www.

In my opinion, our legislators in Congress had the chance to stand up and make this happen the day of the certification by standing together, all the democrats, house and senate, and force this to happen. They didn't. I cannot see how that opportunity will present itself now.

Timing is everything.

and Boxer is a self proclaimed, unabashed LIBERAL

Although this seems to be the case, in New York state the paper ballots were much more prone to fraud than the machine ballots, that is, the old gear and lever machines. The paper ballots could be filled out ahead of time and brought in by truckload, and there still was the problem of counting them. On the other hand, a machine that moved by gears and levers was very hard to tamper with. Compared to the punch card ballots and computers, those old machines worked, because nobody could stuff the ballot boxes. If everything is mechanical and not electronic, it is harder to tamper with. But paper is certainly far better than any punch-cards or computers, which cannot be publically counted. What needs to be emphasized, is:
Secret Ballots, Public Counting

It is not false at all as long as the Electoral College exists. We all need to back Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr. and push for a Constitutional Amendment to abolish the Electoral College.

I don't know if I can go there again, yet...this is so depressing. I was worried before the election they were going to cheat and they did. It makes me ill that Kerry got 1.5 mill votes in NC and Bush got 1.9 I really do think we could have beat Kerry here in NC had we had some resources. In my county alone we could have gotten another 50,000 Kerry votes easy. We had approx 90,000 voters who did not vote in our county and at least half of them are Dems.

Sorry this is a bit off topic from the original post...

Cam Kerry stated in an interview with Pitt that there was fraud.

We cannot let this happen again.

That is an excellent point about the old lever machines. WHY did we stop using those? So some big PRIVATE corp could get a big fat gov contract?

My voting precinct has the old fashioned lever machines (PA). The problems we had were with the machines jamming or breaking down in other ways, so that it greatly slowed the voting process in some areas. Plus, there weren't enough machines in some areas to handle the huge voter turnout. Some people had to wait in line six hours to vote, and some people left before they voted. So, even though Kerry won PA, voting reform is needed throughout the nation, as we all know. The numerous problems with a fair, speedy voting process is a bipartisan issue and the time is right to address those problems.

If everyone would notice.... California, New York, and Texas all have Republican governers, aside from their choice of voting equipment.

How many of you have been involved in elections in the past? it is not uncommon, these numbers.

In my state Reagan won and there are so few Republicans. Kennedy and Kerry win with huge numbers and a Republican incumbent Gov or candidate beats the crap out of a DEm candidate.

We need election reform. the system is ill. polling places run on 19th century standards in some places, but screaming fraud every time is a set up for failure, disappointment and looking foolish to the rest of the world.

Vermont is a state with one of the largest red shifts. Meaning Bush got far more votes then what the exit polls predicted he would get.

Fearless Leader didn't "win", that word is just propaganda and the sooner we stop using it the better.

We in the United States of America, the 'flagship' democracy of the world, need what Australians already have ! Down Under they have mandatory voting where you are fined if you don't vote.

Consider this: The 2004 vote turnout was 60%. Of that 60% Bush won the election by 51% to Kerry's 49%. What that means is that Bush actually had about 30% of the eligible voters who voted and Kerry had about 29% of eligible voters who voted. Had the approximately 40% who didn't bother to vote (or had their ballots not counted for whatever reason) ... this election probably would have gone to Kerry. Guys like comedian George Carlin, who on Tim Russert proudly stated that he didn't bother to vote, would have made the difference...

All you have do do is to make voting very easy, without lines, in Bush's areas.
Then make sure there are lines that are hours long in areas for Kerry. That way the poor working slob can not spend 8 hours waiting to vote. There are children (no child care for all) to get from school. There are jobs to get to. SOOO....The working people can not wait for hours on hours. <_<

Reagan and Kennedy ran during far different times and situations. Once 2000 had come and gone and 2004 came up, the entire nation might as well have been painted red or blue. The fact that the Washington gubernatorial election is still being contested tells us how close things were at the time. Unfortunately, race plays a major part in the whole problem. African-American voters were the easiest target with 96% of them Democrat. Targeting voters of any other race would not have provided any benefit. I fail to see how systematically suppressing and manipulating the Democratic voter turnout through racially motivated disenfranchisement falls anything short of fraud.