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Let's hope this is the begining to hawks negotiating peace:)
QUOTE(so angry I could spit @ Jan 9 2005, 11:07 PM)
Let's hope this is the begining to hawks negotiating peace:)
i hope abbas can overcome a likely perception of weaker hand or 'too moderate' re sharon in negotiations. if $hrub doesn't twist the short ones on the other side in negotiation tight spots with the 'duly-elected' palestinian rep, and sharon walks all over abbas, it'll be one of the greatest misses in half a century.
simply for the need of palestinians to have confidence in their negotiator, i'm sorry it's not more of a hardliner they elected. as i've noted in these forums previously, it seems to have been a principle of the last 30 years or so that significant cessations in animosity or turmoil are possible only when it's hardliners that reach across the minefields. mandela-deklerk, begin-sadat, nixon-china, etc. all seem to define a gestalt that hardliners are perceived by their constituencies as unlikely to give away the store
i'm afraid that abbas' past US puppet/moderate image set to spar with that of sharon will -- despite their apparent election of him -- leave palestinians bitterly disappointed if sharon cannot be restrained from his usual takeall approach. the damn faith-blinded neoCONs better make sure this will be seen as 'honest brokering' on our part.
i'm just so afraid that our idiots are too philosophically-faith-blinded (by the neoCONian religion) that they will be unable to see beyond their 'we create our own reality' bs and freaking blow it by 'takeall-ism'. this is too important to permit their insanity to destroy.
and the last tainted 'realist' has bowed out. pray 'em if ya got 'em!
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a good headline tracker for I/P news:
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/newsfeed/?name=Israel%2FPalestine
not necessarily on the cited issue, but overall, i hope it's not robertson-types who're using shorthairs as reins:
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Robertson warns Bush against dividing Jerusalem
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Etgar Lefkovits, THE JERUSALEM POST Oct. 4, 2004
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Prominent American Evangelical leader Pat Robertson on Monday warned US President George W. Bush against supporting any future division of Jerusalem, warning that such a move would cost him the support of tens of millions of Evangelical Christians who traditionally vote Republican.
The Virginia-based pastor, who ran for the Republican Party presidential nomination in 1998, said that Bush has been a great friend of Israel, but cautioned him against changing his policy in support of a united Jerusalem as Israel's capital.
"Gaza is one thing, but if he touches Jerusalem and he really gets serious about taking east Jerusalem and making it the capital of a Palestinian state, he'll lose virtually all Evangelical support, and they will go and form a third party," Robertson said at a Jerusalem press conference, where he was attending the Feast of the Tabernacles celebrations.
Robertson, the founder of the Christian Broadcasting Network, said the road map is "dead," Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat is out for the destruction of Israel, and the Oslo Accords were "a bad mistake."
While shying away from direct criticism of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's plan to unilaterally withdraw from the Gaza Strip by the end of next year, he said in an earlier Jerusalem sermon that "God says, 'I'm going to judge those who carve up the West Bank and Gaza Strip. It's my land and keep your hands off it.' "
He said that Jordan, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia should take in Palestinian refugees, adding that "the Arab nations" are instead interested in preserving the conflict with Israel. He went on to say that while the God of the Hebrews and the God of the Christians is the same, the God of the Koran is a different God.
In the press conference, Robertson also said that the UN agency that deals with Palestinian refugees should be dismantled. "UNRWA should be abolished. It has perpetuated intolerable situation for refugees and kept them in perpetual bondage," he said.
Asked about the agency's acknowledged employment of Hamas members, Robertson said that the UN should not be consorting with terrorists. "This is one more example that this agency is not dealing with an even hand," he said.
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Etgar Lefkovits, THE JERUSALEM POST Oct. 4, 2004
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Prominent American Evangelical leader Pat Robertson on Monday warned US President George W. Bush against supporting any future division of Jerusalem, warning that such a move would cost him the support of tens of millions of Evangelical Christians who traditionally vote Republican.
The Virginia-based pastor, who ran for the Republican Party presidential nomination in 1998, said that Bush has been a great friend of Israel, but cautioned him against changing his policy in support of a united Jerusalem as Israel's capital.
"Gaza is one thing, but if he touches Jerusalem and he really gets serious about taking east Jerusalem and making it the capital of a Palestinian state, he'll lose virtually all Evangelical support, and they will go and form a third party," Robertson said at a Jerusalem press conference, where he was attending the Feast of the Tabernacles celebrations.
Robertson, the founder of the Christian Broadcasting Network, said the road map is "dead," Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat is out for the destruction of Israel, and the Oslo Accords were "a bad mistake."
While shying away from direct criticism of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's plan to unilaterally withdraw from the Gaza Strip by the end of next year, he said in an earlier Jerusalem sermon that "God says, 'I'm going to judge those who carve up the West Bank and Gaza Strip. It's my land and keep your hands off it.' "
He said that Jordan, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia should take in Palestinian refugees, adding that "the Arab nations" are instead interested in preserving the conflict with Israel. He went on to say that while the God of the Hebrews and the God of the Christians is the same, the God of the Koran is a different God.
In the press conference, Robertson also said that the UN agency that deals with Palestinian refugees should be dismantled. "UNRWA should be abolished. It has perpetuated intolerable situation for refugees and kept them in perpetual bondage," he said.
Asked about the agency's acknowledged employment of Hamas members, Robertson said that the UN should not be consorting with terrorists. "This is one more example that this agency is not dealing with an even hand," he said.
Jerusalem will have to be the very last thing on the table and discussed well after earlier phases are implemented (and implemented successfully, with some time for things to settle down) or else nothing else will be settled completely.
Howcum exit polls work everyplace but here?
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