From JANE'S,-

Fortunately for Israel, who now depends on Russia for part of her oil supply, the regime change in Iraq will mean a steady supply of cheap oil.

Jane's

Look also for Israel to steal Iraq's water supply, by diverting flows from the Euphrates into Israel.

COOL!! Water and Oil!

However, they already had an oil pipeline running from Kirkuk before the war, so no improvment there YET.

But water...now that would be a dream project. You can't even set it on fire. Imagine how this is going to work...One thing Iraq does have is water, but there is this problem of a 'desert' in the middle that will have to be dealt with. Hey N'z, please fill us in on how halliburton is going to build this one?

1. Israel and Egypt have a joint venture to pipe fresh water in under the Med from Egypt.

2. Since the BushWar, Iraq's oil exports have actually decreased. Seems "insurgents" keep blowing up the pipe lines. Hey, that's something H'burton can do. Fix pipelines. And they get paid to fix them every time they're blown. What a moneymaker!

Remember when all of this was hatched prior to the invasion the neocons had this adventure a cakewalk. Surely they anticipated (incorrectly) that by now the oil would be flowing.

Don't be too sure. I have a different theory -


I've posted many times before that the Bush Agenda was to CONTROL Iraq's oil - not to pump it. Just follow the money:

a) Halliburton only makes money when oil sells for more than drilling costs. At $48 a barrel, they now have more work than they can handle with those "stripper" wells in Texas and Oklahoma.

B) our GOOD and LOYAL friends, the Saudis (Bush's "family"), make more money to finance their totally corrupt society, and to fund the Wahabbi Madrassas in other Arab countries that will provide tomorrow's terrorists.

c) Putin is happy. He's selling as much oil as the Saudis. Don't forget, he's got 60 years of mismanagement to make up for. They need bucks in a big way.

d) perhaps, after making the good "college try" for democracy in Iraq, Bush will give it up as hopeless, but leave a small armed force to guard the oil wells from Iraqi terrorists (ha ha ha ). In other words, yes it's all about oil, but not about pumping it. It's about keeping it from being pumped.

From the article:
http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/Web%2...wn%20People.htm

"Pelletiere points out that a water pipeline through Iraq “could bring the waters of the Tigris and Euphrates south to the parched Gulf states, and by extension, Israel.

To date that pipeline has not been built. But after Gulf War 2? Would Israel become one of the prime beneficiaries in the aftermath? "

To be even more cynical- Halliburton pays the insurgents on a commission to blow them up!

Well, actually, that's not Pelletiere writing. It's a piece by Jon Rappoport. So, what do you know about Jon Rappoport? What other areas of interest does he have? What is his degree in? What radio show does he appear on regularly? Just want to know what this guys credentials are...you know...since you seem to like those nazi sites so much, excuse me for being a bit sceptical about Jon Rappoport. Please elaborate on this person so we all know who you are using as your source. Can you do that....or will you just go on with another thread to avoid it?

No war for oil!! Ahhh we were all fooled again....It's a war for water...shhhhh don't tell anyone they might fight a war for water.

you people are just giving kool-aid a baaaaaaaad name

True, Kool-Aid Anti-defamation League forming now!

But please make sure he/she promises not to quote any of Rappaport's "poetry".

I've heard better poetry from a Vogon.

No definately it is oil we are talking about. Asia Times and a few others also wrote about the plan.

Peimani Article

Well he takes things to a new level. He has written that "Secret Societies" want a "monopoly on the paranormal" and are keeping the great unwashed from the benefits of "anti-gravity" and "free energy". Other stuff he writes is less plausible. Reported on the hilariously named nomorefakenews.com website.

The original Stephen Pelletiere NYT Piece here...
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0131-08.htm

What American do not know about Kurds is astounding. Pelletiere has a "op-ed" piece of "conjecture" whereby he says perhaps Iran did it, and perhaps the gasses used were just blown around and everyone died in Halabja. But what he doesn't say and what he doesn't address is that "HALABJA" was only ONE event in a larger campaign called the ANFAL Campaign. There was not simply ONE village gassed or ONE attempted genocidal or enthic cleansing DAY...it went on for a long time. It was meant to rid Saddam of the Kurds.

Human Rights Watch did not come to Peletiere's conclusion at all. They have the tapes from Chemical Ali to Saddam: "GENOCIDE IN IRAQ"
http://www.hrw.org/reports/1993/iraqanfal/

That's not the conclusion of anyone who was there either:
http://www.gendercide.org/case_anfal.html

First Anfal, Jafati Valley (23 February - 19 March 1988)
Second Anfal, Qaradagh, (22 March - 1 April 1988)
Third Anfal, Garmian area (7 - 20 April 1988)
Fourth Anfal, The Valley of the Lesser Zab (3 - 8 May 1988)
Fifth, Sixth and Seventh Anfals, The Mountain valleys of Shaqlawa & Rawanduz (15 May - 26 August 1988)
Final Anfal: Badinan 25 August - 6 September 1988
http://www.barzan.com/anfal.htm

Kurds who survived the genocide campaign say it was typical during the Anfal for Iraqi troops to separate men, women and children. There were "sorting centres" where villagers were taken before being moved to collective towns, desert prison camps, or to face execution and subsequent burial in mass graves.

"The army would set out for Kurdistan villages in the morning," said a former gardener who worked at the Popular Army Command in Kirkuk beginning in 1987. "They burned the villages, captured the villagers, and then distributed women, men, young people and children to separate places."

The gardener did not want to be named because other eyewitnesses to the atrocities of the former regime have been killed after speaking to journalists.

Aside from the 100,000 people, most of them civilians, killed outright in the Anfal campaign, and about another 100,000 men disappeared. Thousands of men, women and children ended up in prison camps, and hundreds of thousands were sent to live in collective towns near Iraqi military bases.

About 4,000 villages were destroyed in the scorched earth campaign.

The gardener reported that occasionally Arab men either from the nearby town of Hawija or from southern Iraq would come to the command post and take women away "in twos and threes, and never brought them back".

He also reported seeing Egyptian nationals at the army post.

"One day, three Egyptian men came to the office with official Baath party letters," said the now 75-year-old man. "A driver took them to Topzawa prison camp. They brought back three girls in Kurdish dress, aged about 17 or 18. They took them with them."

Layla Muhammed shared a large prison cell with some of the women named in the document. "They separated them from us and took them away," she said. "I thought they were released. But it turned out they weren’t."

From Institute for War and Peace Reporting:
http://www.iwpr.net/index.pl?archive/irq/irq_69_3_eng.txt

so forget about the lone arse that thinks he knows something that he hasn't got a clue about. It has no business in this discussion, it was never about oil or water for Israel, it was about killing Kurds who did not want (and still do not want) to live under a repressive regime. There is NO counter-evidence. Hearsay, and conjecture is all Peleteirre has, and no more. I think the people that were there no who killed them, tortured them and gassed them, since they have the transcripts and documents in their possession!