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The timing is very interesting on this attack, right after the election, now Sharon has an excuse not to negotiate with Abbas.

The Blackshirts in Germany, and in Italy, and in Spain did the same crap................oh yeah and the IRA and...........,

Sometime before Palestine's late leader died or was murdered, he made it clear that the problem was that he needed Sharon's help in order to control the out-of-control Palestinian terrorists. Sharon refused to join in the effort to stop Palestinian terrorists. Therefore the problem rested with Sharon, who was possibly just following orders from our Resident's Administration. As far as what is going on now, it is getting all too complicated. I assume our Administration is orchestrating things. but I could be incorrect.

Israel is constantly criticized for how she controls the problem of the pro-Arab terrorists. She can't win for losing. If the Palestinians want their land side by side with Israel, they need to learn to control their problem. It is not Israel's responsibility to ensure the Palestinian state can keep the borders secure, Israel should be protecting it's borders from her side. Anything else is seen as occupation. Abbas should be getting help from other Arab nations to control the jihadists and other Arab terrorists hell-bent on keeping the peace plan of track.

You know, I will agree with that statement. But the larger issue is - is Israel hell-bent on a peace plan? How can anyone be surprised when Sharon's decision to break off negotiatians is met with cynicism. Sharon and Israel have earned it. "Land for peace" is an ongoing Israeli lie. It's a shell game perpetrated by Tel Aviv and Washington to keep Americans and the world thinking that Israel is working toward a just, two-state solution. Within the Likud and the United Torah Judaism parties, occupied territories are considered to be given by God to the Jewish people. Many of the ultra orthodox types candidly state that Israel will never turn over the territories. In my naivete, I always believed that Israel would surrender the post 1967 territories as long as the PLO behaved itself. Untrue. No matter what the Palestinians do, the current Israeli government (and fanatical supporters in the USA) haven't the damnedest intention of giving back anything of substance. This is quite freely spoken of in Haaretz, but Haaretz is not subject to AIPAC censorship.

Rabin made a good faith effort. Right wing fanatics cut him down. There is graffiti in Tel Aviv today that states we got Rabin, now we'll get Sharon (for his purported efforts to disengage from the Gaza. Some Gaza settlers have pledged to fight to the death to resist IDF removal. In the unlikely event Sharon made any good faith disengagement effort, the government would be forced to open fire on these religious fanatics. I don't make light of it or trivialize it, but these are realities that peace loving Jews are going to have to grapple with. As an American citizen I have always wished Israel well but quite frankly, that good will is eroding. I have said a zillion times on this forum that the majority of US and Israeli Jews want a just peace. Some of them are my friends. But that majority better step up to the plate very soon. The right wing politicians and rabbis are a powerful, warlike special interest group. Americans should not blindly support them unless real, bona fide efforts are made for peace.

God Gave this Land to Me....... That made for a wonderful movie score, but America should not accept it as a justification for eternal, theocratic war. It's not our fight.

What are we supposed to do, demand Israel be bombed because their right wing plays BS politics too? It's politics, the politicial structure there isn't even remotely similar to what it is here. They have the most fragile of coalitions. You've seen our MSM and know what our adminstration does. Do you really think it's different elsewhere - that only the ones that criticize Israel are reporting accurately and there's no bias there?

Where the Hell are and were the Muslims/Arabs who say they want peace demanding the same of the PLO as well as other Arab states telling them to stop their friggen zealots and terrorists? Why is it that the rules are always different and always harsher on Israel? This is the sort of shite that makes moderate Jews like me start to dig in our heels. Want to know what it's like being us?

• the (Jewish religious) right says stop being so gullible
  we say WTF?
• the right says, they don't care about us only themselves
  we say BS, they want peace they want us all to sort it out
• the right says, you're naive, they say it's Israel, they mean Jews
  we say, stop using misdirected claims of anti-semitism
• we say - we just need to go that extra mile to show good faith
  the right says, it will never be enough
• we say, their people are affected now too - they'll be more understanding
  they say BS, you'll see. .. everything we do to negotiate will be wrong, anything we give will not be enough and they will blame us when we lose our temper because we are not permitted the anger and frustration of others;only they can play that game without criticism, we cannot

I know what the right wants to do to me because I'm not them. I despise the far liberal left for making me feel the Jewish right has a legitimate point. Unlike you, I have a hard time having much hope lately because I am personally under attack by most of the US right and too many vocal people on the far liberal left. This now reminds me of Germany in the early 30s and, until a few weeks ago Inever gave those arguments any credence, just thought they were hyperreactions to the fears bred into us. I was naive. Why must I and my religion always be on trial for this, when others are not? Every other group is sancrosanct, Jews are violable - ostensibly because of Israel. Did you hold your Catholic friends accountable for the pedophile priests and the cover up (or even bring up the issue as a political one)? Do you hold your Arab Muslim friends accountable for Tyrannical Muslim Dictatorships & Terrorism/Jihad or bring it up for political debate expecting them to have the answers? I somehow doubt that you did (I'd be mortified to be honest, because it's inappropriate). Are there not other religious based special interest groups and PACs and do you hold people of the same religion accountable for their activities? I think not. The US does not support Israel because of Jewish desires. If Herzl had taken Uganda for Israel and others had fought to remove them, the US wouldn't put the effort is does into the Israel we know. The US is protecting their own (non-Jew related) interests in the region, if they could get what they wanted from the Arab states, AIPAC would be summarily dismissed (even my Arab friends will say that).

I wish you guys would just bomb Israel and kill them all or round up all the Jews and give it over the the Palestinians. Maybe then we can see who really just has a problem with some of Israel's misguided policies and whose problem is not.


There's a lot more money to be made in war than peace. Why is it that the problem of Northern Ireland and Pakistan-Indian issues have yet to be resolved?

Tensions are truly on the rise there. With Russia's sales of arms to Syria which is suspected to be reaching the Palestinians, there seems to be more attention drawn to Gaza now... as BushCo gears up his next surprise in the Middle East. I personally feel a coordinated rip to take place in the Israeli Russia relations while BushCo probes deeper into dangerous territory.

Being an American I could care less if they kill each other for all time. Its their hell they have made so let them live with it. My problem is when the US invades Iraq to secure Israel. That is going over the edge for no good reason. We can always buy oil from whoever wishes to sell it. They cant eat oil. What else are they going to do with oil?

I don't think they did it to secure Israel (unless you believe the whole Bush as anti-Christ with plans to send the Jews all over there and bring armageddon stuff); I think the neocons have some financial gain from the action.

I wish the US would stay the hell out of the Israel-Palestine conflict. The whole world should stay out and make them deal with this situation themselves (holding any group that attacks outsiders/outside nations accountable to that outside sovereign nation).

And so does the whole "Oilgarchy." They invaded Iraq to CONTROL the oil. There is less Iraqi oil flowing now than before the invasion. Prices are up, Halliburton is making BIG money. Life is beautiful.

This deal is not about Israel; it is about OIL. It is about MONEY.

So what else is new?