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dee60
What happen to equal pay for equal work? Women still make less then men. And yet NOW focus is only on our body our rights.
With so many single parents in this country you think that equal pay should be just as important or more. To be able to take care of yourself and your families needs and to be treated equal in the workplace has more value IMO.
I am thankful that I work at a place that believe in your merits and not what sex you are.
But others are not so lucky and it's a shame there is nobody to help them.
gmanders777
White old men run it . There is no one in power who cares.
They pay men more because they got balls. Sorry, because they are the bread winner
or some bush shite like that.

no sense to me. Most of my execs are women and I pay equally.
billfmsd
Women just need to take more risks and build their own business. Women are so much more capable than men. This is the only way women can break the good o' boy network's stronghold on business. Men are just too stupid to figure out a good thing when they see it.
so angry I could spit
I have to be honest, I think that in some fields women are their own worst enemy. ..they don't have the balls to ask for the same salary as a guy and low ball themselves. When I realized a guy two levels belowe me was making the same salary as I was (the schmuck left his pay stub on the copy machine) I got aggressive. I'm pretty sure I make a similar salary to the men at my level in my field (mind you, if I were a guy, I'd probably be a Director or Sr. Director by now)
billfmsd
QUOTE(so angry I could spit @ Jan 16 2005, 10:32 PM)
I have to be honest, I think that in some fields women are their own worst enemy. ..they don't have the balls to ask for the same salary as a guy and low ball themselves.  When I realized a guy two levels belowe me was making the same salary as I was (the schmuck left his pay stub on the copy machine) I got aggressive. I'm pretty sure I make a similar salary to the men at my level in my field (mind you, if I were a guy, I'd probably be a Director or Sr. Director by now)
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I believe this is true. I don't know if it's more often than not the case. Many of the women who don't ask, already know the answer. There is a good ol' boy network.

The pecking order is hunting or golf buddies first, back stabbers and back watchers second, sexy women third, most qualified person next, and minority men last if qualifications are equal. Pay is based on what they know you or someone just like you will accept.

The network has more to do with who you know than what you know. It is becoming more diversified slowly. You get in much faster by owning business than working in them. I think women and minorities are generally too afraid to take the chance. Women and minorities will never make what they are worth working for good ol' boys until they own more businesses and put good ol' boys out of business.
peoplesrights
QUOTE(dee60 @ Jan 16 2005, 09:39 PM)
What happen to equal pay for equal work? Women still make less then men. And yet NOW focus is only on our body our rights.
With so many single parents in this country you think that equal pay should be just as important or more. To be able to take care of yourself and your families needs and to be treated equal in the workplace has more value IMO. 
I am thankful that I work at a place that believe in your merits and not what sex you are.
But others are not so lucky and it's a shame there is nobody to help them.
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It used to be that women's rights were to correct the parts of society that we have no control over... equal pay being one of them.

Now its about women with no self-control demanding to get abortions-on-demand.

If women want empathy, they must be empathetic to those that have no control (the unborn.)
gmanders777
QUOTE(peoplesrights @ Jan 25 2005, 12:19 PM)
It used to be that women's rights were to correct the parts of society that we have no control over... equal pay being one of them.

Now its about women with no self-control demanding to get abortions-on-demand.

If women want empathy, they must be empathetic to those that have no control (the unborn.)
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Get over it!

Women deserve equal pay.

People deserve living wages.

Abortion is nothing but a control issue. The unborn are not alive nor can they survive

Do away with fertility clinics and make them adopt !
peoplesrights
QUOTE(gmanders777 @ Jan 25 2005, 01:24 PM)
Get over it!

Women deserve equal pay.

People deserve living wages.

Abortion is nothing but a control issue. The unborn are not alive nor can they survive

Do away with fertility clinics and make them adopt !
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Of course women deserve equal pay... that was Women's Rights primary issue when Women's Lib started.... then the radicals got a hold of it and ruined the focus
of living wages by focusing on killing unborn instead (I'm old enough to remember the shift of focus)

Get over what? Your "facts" don't match the science ... the unborn are alive and they do survive without the intervention of abortion. Just because NOW refutes it and stamps their feet and says "get over it" doesn't make the "Science of Life" go away...

NOW ruined the Democrats by shifting the focus away from equal pay/living wages and the conservatives picked up the pro-life ball and ran with it...
That's why the Democrats lose... if the Democrats want to WIN , they've got to shift back to economy and stop fighting mother nature.
gabriellemy
QUOTE(so angry I could spit @ Jan 17 2005, 06:32 AM)
I have to be honest, I think that in some fields women are their own worst enemy. ..they don't have the balls to ask for the same salary as a guy and low ball themselves. 
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now, the percentage of women as single parents...

if you happen to be responsible, wouldn't you be just a tiny bit scared this could affect your job-keeping abilities?
that you have nightmares about starving kids as a consequence of lay-off, founded on mysterious reasons?
so angry I could spit
QUOTE(gabriellemy @ Jan 26 2005, 08:14 AM)
now, the percentage of women as single parents...

if you happen to be responsible, wouldn't you be just a tiny bit scared this could affect your job-keeping abilities?
that you have nightmares about starving kids as a consequence of lay-off, founded on mysterious reasons?
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Negotiating an appropriate salary when you interview and take a job? No, I know of a lot of women who low ball themselves consistently which costs them in the long run. If you demand a large raise when you're not in a real position of power (or as indispensible as you think), you're in a different situation.

If I were a single parent, I'd give more financially for more flexiblility (companies w/o flexibility put a single parent at risk more so than asking for a higher salary). As a boss, I go out of my way to ensure my direct reports have reasonable flexibilty - not all bosses do.

The parenthood issue is one reason why career women do have lower salaries - women who have children do tend to roll in and out of FT work (not just maternity leave, but many take a few years off) in roles of responsibility which does affect their salary and bargaining power. To claim this as unfair treatment to women in favor of men undermines those women, such as myself, that do put in the time and are expected to pick up the slack because we do not have children.
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