Hardball on MSNBC is planning to cover the entire VOTE SCANDAL LIVE, despite protests from the network's higher ups. It was advertised on TV talking about the "Critical steps America must take" to win back the votes.


Also right now as we speak, they are talking about purported fraud and other weakness of the democrats on MSNBC, on the radio, that this must be fought or we are going to lose democracy


Not sure how much of a difference that makes but.....MSNBC is coming out of their shell........Keith Obermann is looking to run the full story in about 2 days.....

:o :o :o

Keep flooding the international media!

Really??!!
Awesome.

Its not all good, Imus on MSNBC hates Kerry, he blames the democrats for allowing fraud of such mass scale to be accomplished.

But they are reporting on it......Slowly and carefully, and he, a conservative independant (Imus) thinks that evangelical christ followers are crazy, but does agree they should have a right to the government wing.

was this on tv this monday morning?

Yeah, I just turned on the boob tube and saw the Hardball promo.

so the promo is on right now? that must be peeking the interest of viewers, no?

i don't have msnbc and was just wondering what the promo exactly says?

It may peek interest, but remember its coverage: Whether negative or positive or neither. Something as large as stealing will be covered

And they were even blaming Kerry for mass fraud of this scale being allowed and freely hitting the streets, there's alot of rage out there. I don't even know if Kerry was apart of any of this, just more right wing nutjobs. Kerry went into the background like when the BCCI scandal broke, and thats the case he worked for months on until everyone was in jail- He worked from behind the scenes.

well, if the promo is on, then it doesn't look that they would be retracting the story. why did someone in another thread claim that???

That's wrong, they did attempt to retract the entire story. The editors apparently pushed on through, despite the network managements demands to not air the story.

Bev and company just went on channel "DEMOCRACY NOW", Dish Network TV.

what is bev saying? don't have cable or dish...

Well, we'll see if HARDBALL's Chris Matthews will help or hurt such an examination. In my opinion, Matthews is one of the worst offenders of media mush around. He'll pander to anyone and everyone and I've watched him do it for years. But, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt--until I see him use this to quash any further examination of the subject (Which is exactly what I think he'll do).

Basically, I don't believe for a second that Chris Matthews would EVER go against the wishes of his corporate masters. If he does--it would be the first time he ever has, believe me!

<_<

*Sigh Heil Mein Bush*
And some americans cant understand why so many Europeans are worried. It is not the USA we dont like it's the *leadership*, for christ sake there is hardly a major family who havent decendans or direct family connection to the US.

He probably would if he saw his chance to score REALLY big, it is no small matter if it's true that there is a media lockdown on this story, he could become a multimillinonare on the books right alone, And at the same time become so known that the higher ups wouldn't dare tuch him.

I don't think Chris is going to slide one way or the other.....But Obermann definitely is, and Obermann is a red blooded republican but he's airing the story anyway. And believe me he's putting up massive protest and mud about the fraud to show how corrupt the people have let the government become. Luckily he supported Kerry also, or he wouldn't have any good views.

Hi Activisms, I thought Imus liked Kerry, he called him "my guy" or "my candidate" throughout most of the pre-election season. He's never been very complimentary of anyone, but he's criticized Pres. Bush about as much if not more than he has Kerry.

And....Is this going to be on tonight's Hardball?

IF it's not going to be *CENSORED NOT FOR NON-CLASSIFIED WIEWING* by you know who.

Anyway most of the major networks must be cringing, becourse they stand to lose BIG TIME if the story is good and they stand out as spineless sycophants.

Yes it will be and no Imus does not, he insulted Kerry more than 4 times. He's a red handed conservative independant, may have supported him sometime in the beginning but everything out of his mouth has been trash talk. He blamed them for allowing the fraud to get so big, he blamed people left and right on TalkBack MSNBC.

well, i'll be curious to see what exactly they will be reporting

What could the Democrats have done to prevent fraud? Should we have refused to hold an election if paperless e-voting machines were used? Everybody criticizes us for this but nobody gives any recommendations for what we "should have done" and they certainly weren't giving any recommendations for what we "should have done" before the fact.

I think that the Dems did try, the Howard Dean and Bev Harris video
was shot before the election.

The Repubs have controlled both Senate>House and they accomplished nothing
in 4 years. Also, the HAVA was HAVA vote for George! These idiots in DC
need to be run out on a rail! I am so sick of this crap.

They waste money while people starve and are homeless in our own country!

Imus is from the south, where all Conservative Independants lie and most of them are outraged over Kerry or anybody doing absolutely nothing. Letting everyone's civil liberties die and be destroyed by machines. That is how serious the FRAUD is this is not, any partisan issue this affects anyone's rights to the USA.

Imus is a controversial figure to say the least but infuses his personal opinions on many subjects his opinions change daily, it's a part of his overall odd personality. Overall he praised Kerry but cited faults as he sees them. He would not shy away from reporting the ongoing voting fraud controversy and this is a plus. Does anyone know when something will air on MSNBC in regards to the VOTE SCANDAL LIVE show?

Are you sure this won't be a massive discrediting of the fraud allegations?

merrie, go to the blog keith olbermann put on his site.

Again, we've been taken advantage of...boo hoo. Everybody knows Kerry should
ve won...boo hoo. Let's all cry louder...BOO HOO.

Its on hardball tonight....And with how much evidence is racked up, the story's going to be interesting...

Yes, let's stur up the mud...it's settling too soon. Let's forment some more division and chaos. Americans are likely to settle into normal life without our biased media hungry for a story making up inflamatory headlines and stories.

I've had enough of you chicken little liberals. You don't speak for all of us democrats.

IF the story has any merit--be certain to email MSNBC IMMEDIATELY after the story airs---supporting this type of journalism. In fact, email ALL media outlets praising the story and encouraging them to air such stories.

Media outlets are not "news" outlets but big businesses geared to increase viewer ratings (ie profit margins).

Remember the MEDIA ACTION Alerts post debates? Same deal...we need to use our voice to keep the pressure on our "news" outlets and the Right Wing Congress & White House.

Excuse me?

At this point, I would love Kerry to win, but the bigger issue is lost votes, false registrations, double voting, unequal attention to the entire nation during the campaign, the possibility of swaying an entire presidential election by focusing on a small concentrated area, the fact that the machines can be hacked.... or the information as it is transfered, and the fact that there would be no way to recover votes easily with these machines. LOGIC dictates we need change. We have outgrown the way we used to do elections. Everyone's vote should count the same (except that Californians count one fourth compared to Wyomians.... and I'm not asking for THAT change)

The optical scanners are the best bet.... as long as the data is CHECKED! No one should be expected to stand in line for HOURS to vote. THAT is a fact and no one is all that upset that we allowed it to happen. How many MORE would have voted if the system had really worked well?? Paper entry allows more than 10 times the number of voters per machine compared to the touchscreens. It is the only way to do absentees. SO.... make it the standard. We should all vote the same way......... according to the SUPREME COURT!

Our election system has problems. Period. If they were created by humans, then that is a felony. Should we look the other way...... because we support Bush? Or for patriotism's sake? Or because we are at war?

(I'm sure your answer is yes to the last one.... congrats! You've fallen for the grandest of all political deceptions. Hitler was just ONE of those in history to use fear and war to keep the voters in line.)

You people that compare our election process and officials to hitler and nazi are clearly in the wrong country. Try Europe on for size.

My concern is that we will still come out looking bad. The story of fraud will be stated and found to be baseless and then we are no where with it.

We have to remember who the enemy is here. Isn't it kind of sad that we have to think in that term when talking about the POTUS. There was a time when there were disagreements in politics and now this administration has sunk to new lows in their endeavors to 'capture' the White House. Makes you wonder 'Where did Barbara go wrong?'.

Are you suggesting we sit back idly and be silenced? Hmmmm....Now that would be very UN-Democratic. Settle in? I refuse to settle in and accept/cosign Bush's Theocracy.

LET FREEDOM RING!

EMAIL YOUR LEGISLATORS, THE MEDIA AND PLAN PROTESTS!!! Stay involved...volunteer for grassroots orgs and/or your local Democratic Party.

I am hoping they air all the allegations. BEWARE: classic Rovian technique is to come up with a huge story, then use the story to discredit the accusers and to make those calling for fraud out as French, Michael Moore loving gay liberal nut cases. Another name is "pre-emptive" strike. Folks, these guys are monitoring the airwaves and covering their tracks. They own the media and will do WHATEVER IT TAKES to keep hold of power. don't be surprised if this gets whitewashed...so we must stay vigilant. And remember Rathergate: just verifiable facts and proof, not heresay and rumors....that just allows Rove and cronies to muck up the works.

edited for spelling, tw

And, stay relentless.

Try Bush on for size

You already let a bunch of bogus machines give you your nazi


Isn't that great, and the patriot act helped protect it! :o :o

http://www.moderateindependent.com/v2i21thoreau.htm

Once again, I must step in and declare the obvious: YOU GUYS ARE CONSPIRACY NUTS! Stop misrepresenting the rest of us democrats with your crazy ideas.

Stop representing the democratic party at all with your crazy ideas.

Even conservatives all disagree with you, and are filing reports on it. This effects conservatives too, and every voter there is, even the right wing religious nutjobs

Period.

yeah..... let's look at the European election process.

Let's ignore the FEAR factor in our politics. Stop getting all knee jerk with comparisons to the Nazi's. Do you think they invented propaganda? Oh... boo hooo..... the Germans noticed we are doing things historically like Hitler.... we just won't talk to them. How diplomatic and grown up! How patriotic and democratic to ask us to leave the country for having differing views! I'm sure this is the brand of democracy they are craving in Iraq.

Laws might have been broken. Votes were lost. Votes were created. We are a nation of LAWS based on the will of the people. Grow up. This has to be investigated.... regardless of who won.

Ok, Ok...if you can't beat em, join em. I think I saw Big Foot on my last vacation to Florida. Also, I was abducted by UFO's who were manned by republicans that all looked like Bush! I think that there's going to be a draft of Americans into the French Foreign Legion and Kerry is going to put his uniform back on and go save our men in Iraq. What do you think?

VoiceofSanity:

Questioning the accuracy of computerized voting machines is not unreasonable. There have already been numerous errors reported from such machines. Our voting system is flawed and examinations/improvements are warranted. What isn't warranted in a free country is denial of the facts.

Encouraging people to allow themselves to be suppressed & act in an unpatriotic manner is very Bushie. VoS, what's up with this? JUST LIKE WMDs existed in Iraq...hmmm...okey dokey. LET"S believe everything the right wing religious NUTS put out there.

Dissent is patriotic.

Thank God! Just got this email about CommonSense forum this morning. This is no conspiracy. It happened it plain sight. TPTB think it is business as usual. I want my country back.


"A little patience, and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their spells dissolve, and the people, recovering their true sight, restore their government to its true principles. It is true that in the meantime we are suffering deeply in spirit, and incurring the horrors of a war and long oppressions of enormous public debt. If the game runs sometimes against us at home we must have patience till luck turns, and then we shall have an opportunity of winning back the principles we have lost, for this is a game where principles are at stake."

Thomas Jefferson

Thank you EE!

I'm not denying any facts, just want to have them verified and know the credibility of who is making the accusations. You know, like Dan Rather should have done before he went off half cocked.

Hey, I heard that Bush is in cahoots with the cereal manufacturers and have a deal where they put something in the cereal to make us more compliant. Anybody else heard this?

This quote from Jefferson was Elizabeth Edwards CHOICE OF POSTING when she posted on the democratic underground two days after the election. VERY INTERESTING...DON'T YA THINK?

Click...Voiceof(In)Sanity has been put on ignore. I can go to freepers sites if I want to read that kind of crap.

What is your point of being here? You sound so immature and simply unwilling to learn and have an open mind that you might not know everything. Children think they know everything, you are a child.

VoS: Consider this time the discovery phase of the trial on voting machines. To date, many questionable results have been brought to light---any real conclusions can be made after all of the facts are revealed. It will likely take months before this process winds down. AND, it's possible that we will never know all of the facts.

It is not conspiratorial to question voting machines.

folks, voice of sanity is an operative.

i already demonstrated that in another thread, where he was making false statements saying that this website, http://blackboxvoting.org/, comes up as a blank and that here therefore could not get informed about the claims and allegations they put on their site. he is making false claims here again and he is here to derail discussions.

i would suggest not replying to his posts so he can babble to himself.

you are all free to do what you want of course, but i know i am not replying any more to someone who misleadingly claims to be the "voice of sanity."