http://www.muchosucko.com/flash/pentagonlies.html#Main WATCH 9/11 WHAT REALLY HAPPEN?THE VIDEO!!

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http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issues...=ua_congressorg

9/11 in Plane Site - a must see!
http://www.fourwinds10.com/news/05-governm...o-citizens.html

So, 9.11 was a tragedy - to all people affected.
But what exactly did this day cause - as side-effects?
If 9.11 had not occured - we would not have had GwB as president today . We would not have an Iraq-war on our hands.
The people of the USA would not have been thown into a vortex of fear and suspicions.USA would not have fundamentalists in the white house.
And : USA would have had the will to move forwards instead of dwelling on possible threats in virtual fallout-shelters.

In short : The only superpower on this planet would have been a responsible nation - an example of a working democracy.

Today - you're not likely to move ahead at all !
And when the new ministers: Justice: Rudy Guiliani,secr. of defence Paul wolfowitz and Condo Reece as Powells successor - will enter the government the USA will take a sharp turn to the right.

THEN we need ... a revolution ? (Ops- I just closed the borders for myself..)
steppenwolf

What a load of BS. So... if it wasn't the AA 757, where did it fly to?

BTW, neither plane that hit the Trade Towers was ever found. Turns out 50,000 or so gallons of Jet Fuel makes a pretty hot fire, hot enough to melt aluminum.

I've heard a lot of weird theories, but this one is right up there with the tin foil hat people.

MY point exactly... We are in danger of drowning ourselves with conspiracy-theories.
The missing plane tops it all !
the wolf

with the Bush administration you have to keep an open mind!

Just watched the 50 minutes video from
http://www.fourwinds10.com/news/05-governm...o-citizens.html


The movie asks valid questions about visual details from the second WTC crash that are visible on any of the images and videos available from that day. I think the movie does a good job showing details that may not be consistent with the official story about what happened that day. Simply dismissing the undisputable visual details without offering a viable explanation is ridiculous. If there are any good explanations, please let us hear them.

I remember the FOX news coverage where the reporter claimed it was some sort of cargo plane without windows and a logo in the front that didn't belong to the airports in the area. But did people see the red and blue AA American Airlines logo on the tail of the plane at all? I have tried to spot it on pictures of the plane crashing into the building from 4 different angles, but can't find it. You would think the logo would be visible on the photos. Anyone?

This is what I know. Back in the Early 90's, a golfer, Payne Stewart's plane went off course. Exactly 22 minutes later 2 fighter pilots were beside it to find out what was going on.

Now where was that type of reaction to the Planes in NY and Washington. We should of been able to shoot down 2 or 3 of them, had plenty of time to do it. Where was NORAD and the FAA. Who gave the orders to stand down?

8:00 a.m.: American Airlines Flight 11, carrying 81 passengers and 11 crew members, begins its takeoff from Logan Airport in Boston, Massachusetts en route to Los Angeles.
8:13 a.m.: An air controller instructs American 11 to climb to 35,000 feet, and the aircraft fails to respond. The controller tries using the emergency frequency to contact the aircraft but there is no response. Around then the aircraft made a u-turn heading straight for the WTC. Standard NORAD procedures would have been to immediately dispatch fighters to intercept the aircraft and investigate who was flying the plane. The procedure of interception had been in place for many years and does not imply shooting down an aircraft as Vice President Dick Cheney later implied on Meet the Press with Tim Russert.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/vicepresident/ne...vp20010916.html
That order could later have been made by him and the President if fighters had been immediately scrambled from nearby bases.
8:14 a.m.: United Airlines Flight 175, carrying 56 passengers and nine crew members on board, takes off from Logan Airport in Boston, Massachusetts.
8:20 a.m.: American Flight 77 takes off from Dulles International Airport.
8:21 a.m.: American Flight 11 turns off its transponder.
8:24 a.m.: This transmission comes from American 11: "We have some planes. Just stay quiet, and you'll be okay. We are returning to the airport" ("We have some planes," was unintelligible.) Seconds later another statement follows: "Nobody move. Everything will be okay. If you try to make any moves, you'll endanger yourself and the airplane. Just stay quiet."
8:28 a.m.: The FAA's Boston Center calls FAA Command Center in Herndon, Virginia, and reports that American 11 has been hijacked.
8:34 a.m.: Boston Center receives another transmission from American 11: "Nobody move please. We are going back to the airport. Don't try to make any stupid moves."
8:37 a.m.: Boston Center informs NORAD of American 11's hijacking. It is the first notice the military receives of the unfolding events.
FAA: "Hi. Boston Center TMU, we have a problem here. We have a hijacked aircraft headed towards New York, and we need you guys, we need someone to scramble some F-16s or something up there, help us out."
NORAD: "Is this real-world or exercise?"
FAA: "No, this is not an exercise, not a test."
8:41 a.m.: United 175 enters New York airspace.
8:42 a.m.: United Flight 93 takes off from the airport in Newark, New Jersey.
8:46 a.m.: In response to American 11's hijacking, Otis Air Force Base receives an order to scramble F-15s. Military officials ask for a destination for the fighter planes. None is known. At the same time of the order, American 11 crashes into the World Trade Center North Tower.
8:47 a.m.: United 175 changes its transponder code twice. The changes go unnoticed because the same controller assigned to it is looking for American 11.
8:48 a.m.: The FAA's New York Center, unaware of American 11 crashing, talks to the FAA Command Center in a teleconference concerning that flight. "This is New York Center. We're watching the airplane...They've told us that they believe one of their stewardesses was stabbed and that there are people in the cockpit that have control of the aircraft..."
8:50 a.m.: The military receives word that a plane has hit the World Trade Center. At the same time, American 77 ceases communication with air traffic controllers.
8:51 a.m.: The controller notices a change in the transponder code from United 175. The plane does not respond to repeated requests to change it back.
8:53 a.m.: Military fighter jets summoned for American 11 are airborne, but still lack a target and information about the threat. At the same time, the air traffic controller tells a peer there is a second hijacking and United 175 is unaccounted for. The controller begins diverting planes from the path of United 175.
8:54 a.m.: FAA Indianapolis air controllers notice American 77 deviating from its flight plan. The flight does not respond to contacts, and controllers are unaware of the hijacking and crash in New York.
8:56 a.m.: American 77 turns off its transponder.
9:00 a.m.: FAA Indianapolis notifies agencies that American 77 is missing, possibly crashed and seeks military help for a search and rescue.
9:01 a.m.: FAA New York Center notifies its command of its dilemma. "We have several situations going on here. It's escalating big, big time. We need to get the military involved with us."
9:02 a.m.: FAA New York Center asks New York's terminal approach for help in finding United 175.
Terminal: "I got somebody who keeps coasting, but it looks like he's going into one of the small airports down there. Got him just out of 9,500 -- 9,000 now."
Boston Center: "Do you know who he is?"
Terminal: "...We don't know who he is. We're just picking him up now."
Boston Center: "Heads up man, it looks like another one coming in."
9:03 a.m.: United Airlines Flight 175 crashes into the South Tower of the World Trade Center. FAA Boston Center deciphers the message from American 11, and realizes hijackers control more than one plane.
9:08 a.m. til 9:13 a.m.: Military fighters are in a holding pattern over Long Island's coast. NORAD decides to ask the FAA to enter New York airspace as a defensive move. "... If this stuff is gonna keep on going, we need to take those fighters, put 'em over Manhattan. That's the best play right now."
9:10 a.m.: American 77 enters FAA Washington Center space but goes undetected for 36 minutes as the FAA checks westerly points for the craft.
9:09 a.m.: Fighter jets in Langley, Virginia, move to battle stations to backup New York fighters who may get low on fuel.
9:17 a.m.: The Federal Aviation Administration shuts down all New York City area airports.
9:20 a.m.: FAA Indianapolis learns about the other hijackings and becomes suspicious about American 77.
9:21 a.m.: The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey orders all bridges and tunnels in the New York area closed, and FAA Command Center tells Dulles terminal to look for targets.
9:25 a.m.: The military establishes a combat air patrol over Manhattan, and the FAA issues a nationwide ground stop of all aircraft.
9:28 a.m.: The FAA receives its last normal communication from United 93.
9:29 a.m.: FAA Cleveland Control Center hears screams and struggles from an unknown source and someone yelling, "Get out of here! Get out of here!" The control center notices United 93 has dropped 700 feet.
9:30 a.m.: President Bush, speaking in Sarasota, Florida, says the country has suffered an "apparent terrorist attack." Cleveland Center polls other flights to determine if they heard the screaming at 9:29. Several report they did.
9:32 a.m.: Dulles terminal spots a suspicious aircraft and notifies the Secret Service. An unarmed National Guard cargo plane begins following American 77. Cleveland Center receives another transmission on the frequency from where there was screaming. "Keep remaining sitting. We have a bomb on board."
9:34 a.m.: FAA notified that United 93 might have a bomb on board. Until 10:08, Cleveland Center provides FAA updates on United 93's course.
9:36 a.m.: NORAD learns of a suspicious aircraft a few miles from the White House and orders the Langley fighter jets back to Washington. Cleveland Center asks whether anyone has requested military interception of United 93.
9:38 a.m.: American 77, with 58 passengers, four flight attendants and two pilots, crashes into the Pentagon, the National Guard pilot reports the crash to Washington's terminal facility. The Langley jets are 150 miles away.
9:39 a.m.: A radio transmission from United 93 crosses. It is the voice of hijacker Ziad Jarrah: "Uh, is the captain. Would like you all to remain seated. There is a bomb on board and are going back to the airport."
9:41 a.m.: FAA Cleveland Center loses United 93's transponder signal, but uses visual sightings from other planes to track its turn east, then south.
9:42 a.m.: FAA Command Center learns from television reports that a plane has struck the Pentagon. The FAA orders all airborne craft to land at the nearest airport.
9:45 a.m.: The White House is evacuated.
9:46 a.m.: Command Center notifies FAA headquarters that United 93 was 29 minutes away from Washington, D.C.
9:49 a.m.: FAA Command Center addresses Cleveland's 9:36 request to seek military intervention of United 93.
Command Center: "Uh, do we want to think about, uh, scrambling aircraft?"
FAA Headquarters: "Uh, God, I don't know."
Command Center: "Uh, that's a decision somebody's gonna have to make probably in the next 10 minutes."
9:57 a.m.: Bush departs Florida for Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana.
10:01 a.m.: Command Center tell FAA headquarters that another aircraft had seen United 93 "waving his wings." It's believed to be evidence of the passengers' efforts to overpower the hijackers.
10:03 a.m.: United 93 crashes in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, southeast of Pittsburgh.
10:05 a.m.: The south tower of the World Trade Center collapses.

10:10 a.m.: Part of the Pentagon collapses.

10:10 a.m.: United Airlines Flight 93, en route from Newark, N.J., to San Francisco with 38 passengers, two pilots and five flight attendants aboard, crashes about 60 miles southeast of Pittsburgh. Authorities said there were no survivors.
10:13 a.m.: The 39-story United Nations building is evacuated. A total of 11,7000 people were evacuated "as a precautionary measure," a U.N. spokeswoman said.

10:24 a.m.: The FAA announces that all inbound trans-Atlantic aircraft into the United States are being diverted to Canada.
10:28 a.m.: The World Trade Center's north tower collapses from the top down.

10:45 a.m.: All federal office buildings in Washington are evacuated.

10:52 a.m.: Washington-area airports have been closed, a Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman says.
10:53 a.m.: New York's primary elections scheduled for today are postponed.

11:02 a.m.: New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani orders the evacuation of the area south of the World Trade Center.

11:18 a.m.: American Airlines says it has lost two planes. The airline says American Flight 11, a Boeing 767, en route from Boston to Los Angeles, and Flight 77, a Boeing 757 flying from Dulles Airport to San Francisco, had crashed.
11:26 a.m.: United Airlines announces the crash of United Flight 93 southeast of Pittsburgh.

11:59 a.m.: United Airlines confirms that Flight 175 has crashed with 56 passengers and nine crew members aboard.
1:04 p.m.: Bush, speaking from Barksdale Air Force Base, La., says the U.S. military has been put on high alert worldwide. He asks for prayers for those killed or wounded in the attacks. "Make no mistake, the United States will hunt down and punish those responsible for these cowardly acts," he said.
1:48 p.m.: Bush leaves Barksdale aboard Air Force One and flies to Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha, Neb.
6:41 p.m.: Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld holds a news conference at the Pentagon. Rumsfeld announces the Pentagon will reopen for business today.

6:54 p.m.: Bush returns to the White House from Omaha.

7:15 p.m.: In a White House briefing Attorney General John Ashcroft said, "We will not tolerate such acts." He said the government had set up a Web site for tips, ifccfbi.gov.
7:25 p.m.: The congressional leadership holds a briefing on the steps of the U.S. Capital. Senate plurality leader Tom Daschle, D-South Dakota says Congress will reconvene this morning.
8:30 p.m.: President Bush addresses the nation from the Oval Office.

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Air Defenses Stood Down On 9.11
After ATC Alerts Given Dozens of air bases were within minutes of both 9.11 targets
by R. Anderson December 23, 2001

(With minimal editing by the ratitor to enhance readability)

There is now irrefutable evidence which proves massive complicity on the part of the highest levels of government -- along with numerous accomplices and co-conspirators in the military, intelligence and administrative sectors -- in the September 11 atrocities perpetrated against the American people.

Here’s the deal.

1. Dozens of Air Force and Air National Guard bases are located within ten to thirty minutes intercept time of both 9.11 target locations. (List of bases provided below.)

2. Most of these installations have, at the ready, fighter jets such as F-16s to be scrambled on a moment’s notice, for intercepting troubled or problem aircraft.

3. Air defense units did receive alerts from Air Traffic Controller (ATC) and Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) officials on a number of aircraft across the East Coast which had broken communications and deviated radically from established flight paths on the morning of September 11.

4. Standard intercept procedures for dealing with these kinds of situations are totally established, in force and on-line in the United States 365 days a year, 7 days a week, 24hours a day.

5. Air National Guard and Air Force air defense units of the United States were prohibited from carrying out their standard intercept procedures (detailed in the following list of FAA documentation) on the morning of 9.11; after they had received the alerts from ATC and FAA.

Regarding rules governing Instrument flight rules (IFR) requirements, see:

FAA Order 7400.2E, Procedures for Handling Airspace Matters Effective Date: December 7, 2000,(Includes Change 1, effective July 7, 2001), Part 4. Terminal and En Route Airspace, "Chapter 14Designation of Airspace Classes" Section "14-1-2. Definitions". (Full text at:http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/AIR/air1401.html#14-1-2)
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Aeronautical Information Manual, Guide to Basic Flight Information and ATC Procedures (Includes Change 3, Effective: July 12, 2001), "Chapter 5 Air Traffic Procedures", "Section 6. National Security and Interception Procedures", "Section 5-6-4. Interception Signals"
(http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/AIM/Chap5/aim0506.html#5-6-4)

FAA Order 7110.65M, Air Traffic Control, (Includes Change 3, Effective: July 12, 2001), "Chapter 10.Emergencies," "Section 1. General," "10-2-1. Emergency Determinations"(http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/ATC/Chp10/atc1001.html#10-1-1) "Section 2. Emergency Assistance," "10-2-5. Emergency Situations"(http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/ATC/Chp10/atc1002.html#10-2-5)

FAA Order 7610.4J Special Military Operations, (Effective Date: November 3, 1998; Includes: Change1, effective July 3, 2000; Change 2, effective July 12, 2001) "Chapter 4 FAA/NORAD/PACAF Procedures For Control Of Air Defense Aircraft," "Section 5.Air Defense Liaison Officers (ADLO’s)," (http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/MIL/Ch4/mil0405.html) "Chapter 7 Escort Of Hijacked Aircraft ," "Section 1. General ," "7-1-2. Requests for Service "(http://faa.gov/ATpubs/MIL/Ch7/mil0701.html#7-1-2)

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Instruction 3610.01A, 1 June 2001, "Aircraft Piracy (Hijacking)and Destruction of Derelict Airborne Objects," "4. Policy (page 1). PDF at:http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01a.pdf. Backup at: http://emperors-clothes.com/9-11backups/3610_01a.pdf

For a clear and detailed description of flight plans, fixes, and Air Traffic Control, see: ‘Direct-To Requirements’ by Gregory Dennis and Emina Torlak at:http://sdg.lcs.mit.edu/atc/D2/D2Requirements.htm
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Absolutely no executive-level input of any kind is required for standard intercepts to be scrambled.

There was no indication in any alerts received by air defense units that "shoot-downs" maybe required as opposed to intercepts -- i.e. that the planes were definitely under control of “hostile" forces -- because ATC/FAA could not have known that.

When the first alerts were received from Air Traffic Control, all that air defense units were required to do was scramble standard interceptors to make contact with the incommunicado and off-course jets. F-16s and other fighter planes would have overtaken every single hijacked plane on September 11, before they had reached their targets! ( See below for locations of air bases.)

If, at the time of interception, it was determined the aircraft were under hostile control and likely to impact targets, high-level air defense commanders at the Pentagon’s National Military Command Center (NMCC) are fully authorized under existing and established regulations and procedures to authorize a shoot-down, in order to protect the United States of America from attack.

Yet air defense units that were ready and waiting on 9.11 at dozens of nearby installations were ordered not to scramble interceptors: they were ordered to stand down from carrying out even the first stage of standard intercept procedures.

These orders came from the executive office of the president as well as from complicit individuals in the aforementioned NMCC.
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There is no question that if these interceptors had been scrambled at the time alerts were received, they would have intercepted the hijacked planes before targets were approached in every instance.

And there is no way that the office of the President or the NMCC could have known through any standard means that these incommunicado flights required anything other than standard interceptions, because ATC and FAA alerts did not relay any such information. The alerts simply requested that standard intercept procedures be implemented and that interceptors be scrambled forthwith.

Some disingenuous excuse-makers say things like: "Well, there was no air defense response because the U.S. had no procedures for dealing with such ‘attacks,’ because the U.S. had never been ‘attacked’ this way before."

This is sheer, complete nonsense. Fully established procedures for dealing with intercepts of all kinds, including of hostile aircraft, existed on September 11, as detailed above.

Furthermore, when those first alerts were received from ATC/FAA, there was no mention of any "attack" and no need for "unusual" procedures. There was only a need for standard, first-stage interceptions to be scrambled, and higher authorities prevented that.

Other disingenuous excuse-makers then say: "Well, of course higher authorities stepped in, because they had to see what was going on with the whole situation, as ‘America was under attack.’"

Again, America was not "under attack" when those first alerts were received. Certainly ATC and FAA had no way of knowing so early in the proceedings that the jets which had broken communications and gone off-course were part of any "attack."

So why did the executive branch and high-level military authorities deliberately order the air defense interceptors to stand down? Nobody could have known that early in the proceedings that "America was under attack" . . . or could they have known?

Obviously, those who ordered the stand-down did know that early in the proceedings that “America was under attack" because they were complicit in the attack, and took all possible steps to ensure that the attack would take place, unimpeded by the air defenses of the United States.

True patriots in this land who have sworn to protect and defend our Republic must consider these irrefutable facts and set about unswervingly to bring these complicit individuals to justice.

From: AC
Subject: USAF ON 11/9/01
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 02:19:23 -0600
As I may have told you long ago, I am a tyro at questioning the state. And such a task is not my principal activity. I am a small, specialty manufacturer who has gotten caught up in being disgusted by my government’s lies. And that has caused me to look at certain events more closely than those who are thought to be responsible for that scrutiny.
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As you know by now, I have also been outraged by the monstrous lies that the government has foisted on the public, with the cooperation of the press, concerning the failure of the us military to interdict and prevent the murderously damaging conclusion of 3 or 4 commercial airliners on11/9/01.

Just by searching NYT archives, I found the policy and the methodology for intercepting a runaway Lear 35 [Payne Stewart’s charter]. The story clearly establishes that F16’s were scrambled to intercept this bizjet within 25 minutes of its failure to report to controllers upon its reaching its cleared altitude of 39,000 ft. These F16’s were scrambled only upon the loss of a radio communication: the transponder never ceased to function.

The way I view the intercept, the F16 out of Eglin, 500 miles behind the lear 35, traveling at its posted max speed, mach 2+, caught the lear 35 in 30 minutes.

For all of us who care about relating how the attempted coup was facilitated, and care to reveal11/9/01 as a coup for posterity, then it seems to me essential that this technical record be established . . . an F16 can catch a 767 within 30 minutes [if it is ordered to do so].

With that understanding, since no one else has done it, I thought it would be of interest to see how many Air Force [including Air National Guard, Air Force Reserve] facilities might have been within 500 miles of the "terror" airliners on 11/9/01.

Here are the facilities that I found on the USAF website[s].
1. Andrews AFB [11 miles SE of DC].
2. Bolling AFB [3 miles south of US CAPITOL].
3. Dover AFB [3 miles southeast of Dover, Delaware]
4. Hanscom AFB [17 miles northwest of Boston]
5. Langley AFB [3 miles north of Hampton, VA]
6. McGuire AFB [18 miles southeast of Trenton,NJ]

These are the major, active Air Force facilities that could have launched intercepts with the commandeered airliners. All of them, if ordered in a timely fashion, could have intercepted and prevented the collisions with the WTC and the Pentagon.

Then there are these minor, active Air Force facilities. I don’t know how they function, but for the sake of history, let us note their existence within the umbrella of intercept before any collision with civilians could occur.
7. Cape Cod, MA AFS
8. New Boston, NH AFS
And then there are the Air National Guard and Air Force Reserve Bases.
9. Atlantic City Airport, NJ [10 miles west of Atlantic City]
10. Barnes Municipal Airport, MA [3 miles northwest of Westfield]
11. Bradley International Airport, Conn [Windsor Locks]
12. Byrd Field, VA [4 miles southeast of Richmond]
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13. Eastern West Virginia Regional Airport [4 miles south of Martinsburg]
14. Frances S. Gabreski Airport, NY [Westhampton Beach]
15. Greater Pittsburgh International Airport, PA [15 miles nw of Pittsburgh]
16. Harrisburg International Airport, PA [10 miles east of Harrisburg]
17. Martin State Airport, MD [8 miles east of Baltimore]
18. New Castle County Airport, DE [5 miles south of Wilmington]
19. Otis ANGB, MA [7 miles northeast of Falmouth]
20. Pease ANGS, NH [Portsmouth]
21. Quonset State Airport, RI [Providence]
22. Rickenbacker ANGB, OH [Columbus, Oh]
23. Stewart International Airport, NY [Newburgh, NY]
24. Westover ARB, MA [5 miles northeast of Chicopee]
25. Willow Grove Naval Air Station, PA [14 miles north of Philadelphia]
26. Eager Airport, WVA [4 miles northeast of Charleston]
27. Youngstown-Warren Regional Airport ARS, OH [16 miles north of Youngstown]

I am not so naive as to think that all of these installations were prepared to put up intercept, or take-down aircraft that morning. But some number of them may have been able to do that.

And the question has to be, why didn’t they? Because all that were prepared to intercept and terminate could have done so. What prevented them from even launching intercept aircraft?

That is the question. Have we just watched a 7 Days In May? Wouldn’t you like to see the orders that caused all of these aircraft to stand down?

I sure would. Because based on the Payne Stewart story, such orders had to have been given. as has been admitted, the automatic response would ordinarily be to intercept and to shoot down.

And based on the Payne Stewart story, we can only conclude that elements within our government, or the shadow government behind it, prevented the intercept and shoot down of the terrorist-commandeered airliners.

Can that be viewed as anything other than treason?

There, I have said it. Anyone care to contest that appraisal? I invite the argument.

I regret that I gave you some reason to doubt the thoroughness of my thinking.

Wishing you a peaceful holiday season. ace

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/AirDefStdDwn.html

parts of the planes that hit the towers can be seen on the ground from different news sources.

I never thought a plane hit the pentagon I thought they shot it down with missles but one missle happened to hit the pentagon.

They just do not want to say they shot a plane down full of american people, it would be bad press

Alumminium dos'nt melt at thoses temperatures, it burns and the only thing remaining is a black powdery substance not unlike soot.

I finally realized that flight 175 is a United Airlines plane and not American Airlines.

The plane that hit the south tower clearly has a blue tail with the United Airlines logo as it was supposed to:
http://letsroll911.org/images/fueljetspray.jpg

Here is a review of the movie that supports it was in fact United Airlines flight 175 that hit the south tower.
http://www.fulfilledprophecy.com/herb'..._simulation.htm

I wish to add also that, I noticed the tail of flight 175 appeared silver grey in the movie, while other pictures from that day clearly show a blue tail with the United Airlines logo. Could this imply that images have been altered? I don’t know. But I am now more confident it was flight 175 that crashed into the south tower.

Apparently the plane crashed into the roof of the Pentagon. Which probably means the movie is looking at the wrong facts to explain the crash into the Pentagon.
http://www.geocities.com/roboplanes/757.html

I don't understand why so many are willing to believe in voter "conspiracy," that Bush/Rove "conspired" to out Valerie Plame, that Dick Cheney "conspired" to get Halliburton no-bid contracts, that the neocon ideologues "conspired" to lie to the world about WMD as a justification for going into Iraq and so few are willing to investigate a 9/11 "conspiracy." What is the gold standard people are using to distinguish the ones we should investigate versus ones we should not investigate?

If the plane went into the top of the Pentagon why is the flame coming out of the side of the Pentagon after it is hit?

curious

Why weren't the FAA Air Marshal's mobilized prior to 9-11-01 and especially after the PDB of 8-6-01 ? Today there are thousands of Air Marshals. http://www.facsnet.org/issues/specials/ter...skymarshal.php3

"Documentation of Plans to Crash Airplanes Into Buildings that Bush and Condi Claim They Knew Nothing About: They Lie, Assassinate People's Characters Instead of Refuting Their Evidence -- and They are, Most Dangerous to the Nation, Incompetent" at
http://www.buzzflash.com/editorial/04/03/edi04021.html
shows, if not incompetence, at least criminal negligence enough ... a conspiracy theory isn't even necessary !

However, now that we've gone that far...What about the Ptech scandal that isn't mentioned in the 9-11 Report or even in any of the most recent books, like Sen Graham's ? Ptech is a Saudi software company that had access to FAA and intelligence agency computers before, during and after Sept. 11th. Hmmm. See
http://www.madcowprod.com/mc4512004.html And also be sure to look at the wargames scheduled during Sept 11th at http://www.oilempire.us/wargames.html

Not to say there WAS a conspiracy... just to say there was more than enough funny business going on to allow those who wish to investigate the justification to go right ahead; especially since the media wasn't looking. Besides, how many of you have even HEARD of Operation Northwoods ? http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1

Why, our government wouldn't even contemplate things like that ... Would they ?

I don't know. But my guess is that there is an intense fire inside the building as the jet fuel is burning, and the flames tend to come out of the windows where the fire is going on.

Photos Show Plane Hitting Pentagon on Sept. 11



http://www.apfn.org/apfn/photos_77.htm




AP
Thursday, March 07, 2002


WASHINGTON — The U.S. government on Thursday released a series of photos showing the moment the hijacked American Airlines plane slammed into the Pentagon last Sept. 11.



The photos were taken by a surveillance camera positioned north of the section of the Pentagon destroyed by the impact and the resulting explosion and fire.

The images cover a span of four one-hundredths of a second. The first photo shows a small, blurry white object near the upper right corner — possibly the plane just a few feet above the ground. The second shows a white glow immediately after the impact. In the three remaining photos, a mountain of orange fire and black smoke rises above the building.

The photographs were not officially released by the Pentagon, but officials said the images were authentic and had been provided to law enforcement officials investigating the attack. The photographs were obtained Thursday by The Associated Press and other news organizations.

Officials could not immediately explain why the date typed near the bottom of each photograph is Sept. 12 and the time is written as 5:37 p.m. The attack happened at about 9:37 a.m. on Sept. 11. Officials said it was possible that the date and time were added the day after the attack when they may have been catalogued for investigative purposes.

Workers May Have Pentagon Repaired by Sept. 11 Next Year

Workers are rebuilding the Pentagon so quickly that by Sept. 11, Defense Department employees may be working at the spot where a hijacked airliner crashed into the building a year earlier.




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"We want them sitting at their desks, doing their work" on the anniversary of the attack, said Walker Lee Evey, program manager of the restoration project.

The back-in-business symbolism of that image inspires hundreds of workers laboring long hours to restore the Pentagon's western flank and the offices inside. So far, the project is months ahead of schedule, Evey said.

"They have tremendous motivation," Evey said Thursday. "Some lost family members" in the crash."

"The Phoenix Project" is already rising fast, but Evey is careful to say that the work will be far from finished by the tragedy's anniversary.

Unlike the outermost "E Ring," home to the offices of the most senior Defense Department employees, the "C" and "D" rings that also were damaged will likely not be completed by Sept. 11, he said.

That could happen as early as next year, when the new facade will blend seamlessly with the original, near an outdoor memorial planned by the Army Corps of Engineers.

Evidence of recovery has edged out signs of disaster.




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Gone from the western flank is the jagged hole of blackened concrete ripped open by a rogue jetliner traveling 350 mph, six feet above the ground. In its place is a 100-yard-wide rectangular gap partly filled with five stories of floors in various states of construction. Looming overhead are two 140-foot-tall cranes.

Pentagon officials did not predict such quick progress given the damage and the unique challenges facing rebuilders of the massive building.

American Airlines Flight 77 and its 20,000 gallons of fuel spread destruction, fire and death over 2 million square feet, killing 189 people in the plane and on the ground.

The fire was so hot, Evey said, that it turned window glass to liquid and sent it spilling down walls into puddles on the ground. The impact cracked massive concrete columns far beyond the impact site, destabilizing a broader section of the building than contractors had originally thought.

Several challenges confronted the contractors. Poisonous mold in kaleidoscopic colors climbed the interior walls, fed by millions of gallons of water that had been sprayed at the fire over two days. Gloved, gas-masked workers pumped hot, dry air trough the windows to remove it.

New security measures — from fortifying the structure's windows and walls to improving air flow, sprinklers and escape routes — drove up the price from around $700 million to about $740 million, Evey said.

And a few employees faced, then cleared, the more personal hurdle of putting a grinding sadness behind them and digging into the renovation.




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"Sept. 11 was Sept. 11; It's in the past," Evey said. "Our eyes are all on the future."

A month and a day after demolition began on Oct. 18, workers had cleared a huge rectangular hole down to the concrete floor four weeks ahead of schedule. They filled spiral support columns with concrete to strengthen the structure against future attacks. Workers are now completing the fifth and final floor and preparing to begin work making the new exterior walls match the originals, Evey said.

Of the 4,600 Pentagon workers who were displaced by the attack, some 1,500 are back in their offices while others work elsewhere in the Pentagon or in rented space.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,47420,00.html

This is probably going to end up just like JFK. We'll probably never know what really happened here. But, why all the secrecy? Why did George refuse to testify under oath about 9/11 if he had nothing to hide? Why did they try to block an investigation. You've really got to wonder about that one. Why won't they release the report? So many questions and no answers. You can't help thinking they're hiding something when they are alway so secretive about EVERYTHING!!!

If they could just once be straight with us about something/anything, it would cut down drastically on all the different conspiracy theories. It's like they're leaving themselves open to all this doubt. Surely they're aware of this.

Here are some quotes from John Dean's "Worse than Watergate:"

"What seems to be coming out of the (Bush-Cheney) administration is the idea that public information is a dangerous thing."

"George W. Bush has a fetish for secrecy."

"Bush and Cheney assumed office planning to take total and absolute control of executive branch information. The truth will be what they say it is. They will decide what the public should know and when, if ever."

Well, this all seems to be true but it doesn't seem to be in their best interest to run things like this. It suggests that they are hiding something (actually, alot of things.) Of course, it seems to be working for them somehow. They are still there. But how half of the American people seem to think it is OK to run the country this way is beyond me. I mean, wouldn't most of us ground our kids if they behaved the way these guys do? If my kids acted like these guys do, I'd have them in for some serious therapy.


BTW..all of these quotes came from a single page (pg.92).

Please read "Crossing The Rubicon" by Michael Ruppert, of http://www.fromthewilderness.com/index.html

The pretext for war, as with Operation Northwoods, is necessary in order to get us into the war for oil. Iraq was pre-planned from way way way before GWB got into office. The book about Paul O'Neill "The Price of Loyalty: George W. Bush, the White House, and the Education of Paul O'Neill," by former Wall Street Journal reporter Ron Suskind.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/10/oneill.bush/
shows that Bush intended to invade Iraq from the minute he entered the White House...how to do that...quickly...do you suppose...?

BTW, see the letter from the Ptech whistleblower Indira Singh at
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/...eflection.shtml
"Real data" means real fear in this administration !

Because bush was listening to My Pet Goat!

None of the frames from the film taken by the surveillance camera show any actual footage of the plane. The plane moved to fast and came from above and penetrated through the floors before the fuel ignited in a giant explosion. The hole in the roof was small and swallowed the entire plane which is typical for high impact collisions

Notice on the 3 last frames you can clearly see how flames and smoke are clearly coming out from the hole the high impact collision made in the roof and not just the windows in the side of the building.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1861977.stm

all

The 'intelligence' idiots at DoD can't even get the date stamp right on the pictures shown above...how can we expect any different in the Iraqi 'war for oil' fiasco ?

Sept 12, 2001...sheeeeeeeesh.

what plane? Where - missile smoke?

[SIZE=7]I do know and it can be checked that: 24 hours before the 9/11 military bases overseas (especially in the mid-far East) were locked down and personel recalled to base. Reason: Pending Attack. So why didn't they alert the FAA and the Airlines like they usually do with hightened alert status??? Because they wanted the attack. That was the only way Bush could declare war and make himself dictator. When they compare 9/11 with Pearl Harbor they are so right. It is a repeat of history. The goverment wanted us to go to war and so allowed the attacks to occure.

curious re: military bases overseas who did they get this instruction from? I didn't see this in the 9/11 report?
Another thing is why our airforce were out in the Atlantic instead of flying north to NY? (that is in the 9/11 report)

Saveme...you're JOKING, right? About it not being in the report? What the h*** meaningful info WAS in the report??

Nice to see ya....

LOL - whitewash of the century!

We did shoot down one, the one that "crashed" in Pennsylvania. We all most shot down the second plane that hit WTC2. The missile that was fired, missed it and hit the Customs House WTC6. NORAD was doing their job on 911.

Do you have a reference for that assertion? I never heard about a missile launch.

Here is the link
http://www.geocities.com/streakingobject/index.html

thoght customs house was blown from within?

Regarding the Pentagon surveillance video, I should note that neither surveillance cameras nor their tapes are an intelligence responsibility. The time/date stamp was probably put in the system months or years prior by a moderately-above-minimum wage Pentagon police officer.

As far as the "shoot down" of the planes is concerned, it would be a pretty neat trick for us to have interceptor aircraft that are invisible to radar, don't squawk IFF, and take off from invisible military bases.

The interceptors that did in fact go airborne were all tracked on radar from multiple locations both military and civilian - and the tapes still exist btw - and were all visually observed at their bases. None of them came back missing any missiles - this isn't something you can really hide from your maintainers, tower personnel, and fellow pilots.

We were pretty clear about stating that we were perfectly willing to shoot down the hijacked aircraft; if we had, why wouldn't we announce it? Hundreds or thousands would know we did it; there would be real, actual evidence of it (compared to the nonsense that passes for evidence here).

I have the PENTAGON VIDEO,,,,IT SHOWS A TINY ARABIAN MIDGET (NOT AFFILIATED WITH THE RED SOX) SHOOTING A FLAMING ARROW AT THE PENTAGON MOMENTS BEFORE THE EXPLOSION,,,,THIS FULLY EXPLAINS THE LACK OF DAMAGE TO THE LAWN AND THE REASON HE WAS UNSEEN TIL NOW>>>> go to FATDRUDGE.COM.... ITS ALL THERE!!!!

HEYYYYYYY wasn't CUPID an arab,,,,,I bet it was him, he got tired of screwing up lives two at a time and went for bigger targets>>>>>>>>>> LOL

I don't know why people entertain themselves with conspiracy theories. I can't deny conspiracy, but if secret organizations are this powerful, we can't stop them by making accusations. They would have vision from a high enough altitude to neutralize or discredit accusations before they take hold.

Most dirty tricks are never detected because they are done when people are focused on something more obvious, and then the evidence gets buried for centuries. Change is more bottom-up emergent and gradual than we can imagine.

We can only change the world by staying focused on gaining political power with better agendas of our own. We don't have to be naive or paranoid in order to be PRODUCTIVE.

CONTRIBUTE!

Here is the link to the missile.

http://www.geocities.com/streakingobject/index.html

Here is the photo of World Trade Center 6 the "Customs House." WTC 6 is the building with the massive burnt-out crater.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/p.../gzaerial3.html

What more proof do you want?