This is in response to the pinned topic about posting email addresses, etc. I assume Cam Kerry's law office objected to their address being posted here. If they don't want reports of voting fraud, where does this leave us? Paddling upstream against Saint George and his merry band of snake handlers? Does John Kerry give a hoot whether the election was stolen from him or not? This week long silence is making me think that if Kerry and Edwards don't care, why should I? I realize the Edwards family is dealing with something more important than elections, but has John Kerry just kissed a couple of years of his life away for nothing?

Maybe his law firm just doesn't want their network and mail server to get slammed with email so badly.

There was also a message that they were swamped with emails, people can only read and investigate so much in a day. We don't know how many sources were sending email and how many times they were reading the same thing, they may have opted for a more efficient method like relying on a couple sources everyone can feed into.

my suggestion is to wait until Tues and send it or Wed
the volume has to be great

sounds like your angry. go ahead and vent on the board!

from the message kerry's lawyer sent out the deadline they were up against was the ohio certification date, which must be either the 10th or the 12th so that's coming up soon.

if we don't hear from then by then, then i'm going to give up any hope!

http://shadowbox.i8.com/stolen.htm
Try this link--there is an email address posted to send voter fraud information.

If he is doing anything about the possibility of fraud, he has probably received the same reports 100s of times. There is also the possibility that there just isn't any evidence that the major fraud took place other than what we have been talking about, in which, there probably isn't enough votes to win.

Are you on drugs, or have you just not been reading the posts on this forum?

I've read the posts, but the fraud I've seen hasn't made up 100,000 or 300,000 votes. Anything you can show me to prove this? I think the Diebold counting machine may have been tampered with, but we would need real evidence.

speaking of OHIO , check this out guys

http://onlinejournal.com/evoting/110504Mad...0504madsen.html

If the GEMS tabulator was hacked into, it could account for as many votes as the hacker wants changed -- the system is that vulnerable. And it seems there is ample evidence that such hacking may have occurred.

I don't think they could be hacked into because they are not connected to the internet or a network. If they have a wireless connection that would be possible. However, if they did hack, they probably programmed them.

You don't understand.

No one is saying the actual machines were hacked into. It was the tabulators (laptop computers that gathered all the votes and added them together) that WERE ON THE INTERNET. They had no security whatsoever.

These are things that could ONLY HAPPEN if the files were MANUALLY changed.

1. New Mexico suddenly changed its votes by 10,000 for Bush around 1:00 am EST as reported by CNN shortly after Bush said he was waiting for the news networks to call New Mexico to make a victory speech. They actually said on air “we don’t understand what happened… the numbers just CHANGED”.

2. 4000 extra votes were given to Bush in one Ohio county. It was as simple as adding a 4 in front of the rest of the votes for Bush. This county only had a little over 600 registered voters.

3. Whoever was changing the votes made some small mistakes along the way leaving a trail of it all over the official web sites.

I took these screen shots myself off the official Ohio election web site the night of the election while votes were being tallied/changed
http://comp.uark.edu/~jsamuel/ohioHSmall.bmp
http://comp.uark.edu/~jsamuel/ohioPSmall.bmp



I guess we know why David Cobb got Kerry's votes at times during election night in Ohio. Whoever was MANUALLY editing the files accidentally gave Cobb the numbers instead of Kerry. That is the only way that could have happened. The program didn't do it. This is as easy as opening a file and changing 400 to 800 and then saving it. Wait… it is opening a file, changing it, then saving it!

4. This leaves a discrepancy between the number of voters in a county and the number of votes if the person who changed the votes only changed one number and didn't change others.

Note:
They did not need to be changed by the election officials or the people who were working on the computer. These computers were most likely hacked into (a very simple feat) and those hackers changed the numbers. Any old hacker could have done this EASY. It could have been a group of 10 hackers in the same room who are Bush fans, one per battleground state.

Why would they have or need the laptop computers connected to the internet? You have a point if they were...

Excellent Post....thank you for the quotation from Elizabeth's post. I will pass this along among the sour and dour among my acquaintences.

We must all remember that John Kerry and Teresa Kerry and John and Elizabeth Edwards are amazing people. Each is extremly intelligent...each will continue to fight..but that fight must be a quiet stealth one for awhile otherwise there will be a huge yowling and screaming ala and courtesy of the Rove machine...each case of fraud will be investigated and it will be done at the local level where it belongs....things will be happening...things are happening...if not in time to prevent Bush;s inauguaration....at least in time to get the light of day on what is going on with voter intimidation and fraud in this country to make it difficult for congress and states and local election committees to get it fixed prior to the 2006 mid-terms...remember John Kerry is an excellent investigator and all of those lawyers are not all sitting quietly on their hands now....take it to the local level and watch it snowball.....local news will pick up on it and then the national will not be able to ignore it....hit them where it hurts...in their local elections!

Exactly -- it would be an inside job. Those who programmed the system (partisans like Diebold) are the onlypeople allowed to tabulate the vote. IT'S PROPRIETARY!!! Your vote no longer belongs to you -- it is the property of the voting machine manufacturer. And they are all the time making "software patches," supposedly to repair "software glitches" -- but they could put anything they want on those patches and nobody's checking to make sure it's what they say it is. This is probably how the 2002 Georgia senate race was stolen -- and when there was a call for a recount, it turned out the memory cards the votes were supposed to be stored on were blank.

Go to http://blackboxvoting.org
See what is going on.

They may not be connected to the internet ...but they are connected to a network...the network withing the polling place....Scenario...a number of voting machines...one machine "out of order" but which in reality serves as the "slave" machine from which votes are "adjusted"

Yeah, I *think* it could be done in any of the ways mentioned above. I'm no expert, I just read Bev Harris' book. There probably are several different ways it could be done (perhaps some more traceable than others), and they all need to be checked out.

This is how it worked.

People voted on voting machines.

Votes were stored on memory cards.

Memory cards were taken out of the machines when they were full.

They then hooked the memory cards up to the internet and transmitted the data to tabulating computers (one per state).

These tabulating computers absolutely needed to be on the internet inorder to download this information.

(Here is where it gets messy)

These computers were windows computers with at best, poor security. All you had to do was hack into them (if even that), then open a file and change the vote totals. THATS IT!