QUOTE(jonnap @ Feb 23 2005, 07:31 AM)
I can't help but wonder the true percentage of Jews who voted for Bush. Truth be known bet it was much higher than 25%.
Where's your supporting evidence? What's your "hunch" really meant to imply?
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Where's your supporting evidence? What's your "hunch" really meant to imply?
[quote=picadilly,Feb 23 2005, 01:23 PM]
Why ?
What US interests make that a priority ?
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An entire sovereign nation is occupied and it's no big deal.
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You would've said poppies and oil and you could've made sense.
But obviously you have something else on your mind.
So when was the last time Bush showed any concern for Tibet if he cared so much about occupied nations ?
Oh, and btw, I don't remember Iraq or Afghanistan being occupied before the US came a'rollin'.
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Nope, he was correct, if you assert that the problems in the middle east are caused by Israelis occupying palestinian land, then you look at Lebanon where the Lebanese are very unhappy that they Syrians are occupying their land, the same standard has to apply.
The Iraq and Afghanistan comment does not make any sense in light of the topic.
Why ?
What US interests make that a priority ?
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An entire sovereign nation is occupied and it's no big deal.
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You would've said poppies and oil and you could've made sense.
But obviously you have something else on your mind.
So when was the last time Bush showed any concern for Tibet if he cared so much about occupied nations ?
Oh, and btw, I don't remember Iraq or Afghanistan being occupied before the US came a'rollin'.
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Nope, he was correct, if you assert that the problems in the middle east are caused by Israelis occupying palestinian land, then you look at Lebanon where the Lebanese are very unhappy that they Syrians are occupying their land, the same standard has to apply.
The Iraq and Afghanistan comment does not make any sense in light of the topic.
QUOTE(picadilly @ Feb 23 2005, 03:37 AM)
The poll taken by the Haaretz, showed that Israelis preferred Bush over Kerry by two-to-one.
How and why would the vote of american jews be more significant than what israelis would vote ?
Why ?
What US interests make that a priority ?
How and why would the vote of american jews be more significant than what israelis would vote ?
Why ?
What US interests make that a priority ?
Bush is very popular in the middle east in terms of leadership. They have a different cultural system of evalution and they like wishy-washy even less than Americans do.
I don't understand your second question, but I think there are more American Jewish voters so they matter more. The 10,000 or so American voters residing in Israel matter as well, but to a lesser degree depending on where they are registered to vote in the US.
The Syrians are using Lebanon as a staging ground for terror. Syria has infiltrated and destabilized Lebanese politics and destroyed an otherwise great country! They have allowed the Iranian backed Hizbollah to act with abandon, but don't pretend you don't know this, you do. For the benefit of those who do not understand why this matters, or how it can affect them, here is some informaiton, but remember the world just keeps getting smaller and it isn't just "over there someplace" anymore:
Hizbollah:
The organization Hizbollah began as a religious movement founded by Ayatollah Mahmud GAFFARI who died 1973 imprisoned in Tehran. The organization has become an essential power in the fight against opponents of the Ayatollah Khomeini when the organization was led by Gaffari, who played an important role during the Iranian Revolution resulting in Khomeini's coming into power in 1978-1979.
This organization which is openly backed by the Iranian administration, divides the world into countries belonging to the “Muslim World” (ruled by Islamic law) and not belonging to the “Muslim World” (not ruled by Islamic law). Any kind of action against the latter countries is a very essential religious obligation for Hizbollah.
The aim of the organization is to abolish the existing regimes in the Middle Eastern Muslim countries and to establish administrations based on Muslim laws.
The organization fights for the establishment of a Muslim state in Lebanon and launches attacks on US and Israeli targets. The USA and Israel are considered as the two great obstacles hindering the materialization of the aims of the organization.
It can be said that Syria, is actively involved in Lebanon, and does not hinder the activities of the Hizbullah in order not to damage its relations with Iran. Syria hopes to benefit from the organization’s fight against the Western countries and Israel and also wishes to make use of the Hizbollah violence in South Lebanon.
The organization which is known to take part in gun smuggling actions as of 1989, has also perpetrated actions for kidnapping religious people and businessmen in Lebanon and Beirut.
As of 1983, the activities of Hizbollah organization undertaken under the name of Islamic Holy War increased. The organization has also undertaken some terrorist actions in our country.
The actions of the organization are as follows:
They bombed “Rafideyn Bank” on 19 July 1984, that belonged to Iran and that was located in Hamra Main Street, Sedat Street in Beirut.
They hijacked MEA plane, which was on the way to Abu Dabi- Beirut, on July 21 1984. Then they had surrendered to security forces.
They kidnapped Canterbury (UK) archbishop private representative Terry WALTE on January 20, 1987.
On January 27, 1987, they kidnapped German Ralph SCHREA in Beirut and this person was released on March 3, 1988.
On July 31, 1987, by the command of Khomeni, they caused the occurrence of bloody actions in Saudi Arabia by affecting the Iranian Pilgrims and pilgrims from other countries who went to Saudi Arabia for implementing their. Hizbollah Organization are supposed to carry out these activities as the administration types of these Muslim countries do not comply with Islamic administration.
Okay, okay, this all continued until today and I'm sure you all know it, but you see, if you want peace in the middle east as you say, then all of this has to be on the table. You can't have Syria and Iran fighting an international war against the west using the proxies of Lebanon and Israel. It's not like a day goes by that a missile doesn't land somewhere that was lobbed by Syrians from Lebanon using Iranian money!
Want peace? Deal with the foundations of the war, not just the symptoms.
QUOTE(heart @ Feb 23 2005, 03:29 PM)
Where's your supporting evidence? What's your "hunch" really meant to imply?
I said it was a hunch- no evidence. It is based on the wierd election results where Zogby was SO wrong and has never been before. Someone did not vote as they reported in the exit polls.
What I really mean is that a candidates support for Israel trumps all other issues for some Jews.
Yes jonnap, as opposed to all those other ethnic lobbies, like the
http://www.vdare.com/guzzardi/latino.htm Latino Lobby that's never satisfied so the article says, or the http://aacl.com/about.shtml2.htm Albania lobby, that wants to know where every candidate stands on Albanian issues. Or the Turks, who want to have their influence on government http://www.taaf-org.net/. Then of course, there are the Armenians who would rightfully like the Armenian genocide recognized, but keep getting outspent by the Turkish lobby who want to make sure that never happens http://www.aadlc.org/ The Arab American Institute who wants their Arab countries seen to http://www.aaiusa.org/ The Japanese Lobby that looks after Japans interesthttp://www.jpri.org/publications/workingpapers/wp27.html.
ALL of these groups have one thing in common, some people of the respective ethnicity look to these groups to care about them, and their country of heritage. We have had this discussion before, and I have shown this to you before, so why, why, why, why do you have to keep thinking that the people that care about Israel are somehow different than the people that care about Japan, Armenia, Turkey, Arab countries, or Mexico? All you could say is gee...we do it well...but you can't say we are alone. So fine! We do care about the only Jewish country in the world. Big deal, go argue with the Turks, they cause more problems than a half a million Jewish voters that vote DEMOCRATIC any way! sheesh, thanks for your vote too!
http://www.vdare.com/guzzardi/latino.htm Latino Lobby that's never satisfied so the article says, or the http://aacl.com/about.shtml2.htm Albania lobby, that wants to know where every candidate stands on Albanian issues. Or the Turks, who want to have their influence on government http://www.taaf-org.net/. Then of course, there are the Armenians who would rightfully like the Armenian genocide recognized, but keep getting outspent by the Turkish lobby who want to make sure that never happens http://www.aadlc.org/ The Arab American Institute who wants their Arab countries seen to http://www.aaiusa.org/ The Japanese Lobby that looks after Japans interesthttp://www.jpri.org/publications/workingpapers/wp27.html.
ALL of these groups have one thing in common, some people of the respective ethnicity look to these groups to care about them, and their country of heritage. We have had this discussion before, and I have shown this to you before, so why, why, why, why do you have to keep thinking that the people that care about Israel are somehow different than the people that care about Japan, Armenia, Turkey, Arab countries, or Mexico? All you could say is gee...we do it well...but you can't say we are alone. So fine! We do care about the only Jewish country in the world. Big deal, go argue with the Turks, they cause more problems than a half a million Jewish voters that vote DEMOCRATIC any way! sheesh, thanks for your vote too!
QUOTE(heart @ Feb 23 2005, 12:55 AM)
Everyone negotiated and came to a deal except the PLO who really did invent modern terrorism.
I thought that honor belonged to The Irgun and The Stern Gang. The King David and Deir Yassin come to mind.
Eygpt has suggested to Syrian President Assad to withdraw its troops from Lebanon, although the Lebanon govt has not yet requested Assad to do this.
Eygpt now ask the Israelis to withdraw from the corridor between Gaza and the Egyptian territory. PM Sharon was to sign such an agreement but has not done so yet.
Does anyone else get the feeling of reluctance with following through with peace talks and agreements as war with Syria may be looming close? Is this a situation in that those involved in this area are waiting to see what will happen in a few weeks with Syria?
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle...middleeast&col=
CAIRO - Egypt insisted on Wednesday on Israeli withdrawal from the corridor between Gaza and Egyptian territory as part of an agreement they are negotiating to go with an Israeli withdrawal from the rest of Gaza.
Egypt and Israel were widely expected to sign an agreement on the border about two weeks ago but the signing never took place. Israel has given mixed signals about its intentions on the corridor, known to Israelis as the Philadelphi Road.
Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said in an interview last week that he hoped that weapons smuggling would end along the border so that Israel could withdraw from the corridor.
He prefers that Egypt take control of the corridor but if Israel cannot reach a satisfactory agreement then he would have some Israeli forces remain there, officials said.
Aboul Gheit said Israel and Egypt were still discussing legal and political aspects of the Egyptian military presence and complete Israeli withdrawal from the area.
Eygpt now ask the Israelis to withdraw from the corridor between Gaza and the Egyptian territory. PM Sharon was to sign such an agreement but has not done so yet.
Does anyone else get the feeling of reluctance with following through with peace talks and agreements as war with Syria may be looming close? Is this a situation in that those involved in this area are waiting to see what will happen in a few weeks with Syria?
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle...middleeast&col=
CAIRO - Egypt insisted on Wednesday on Israeli withdrawal from the corridor between Gaza and Egyptian territory as part of an agreement they are negotiating to go with an Israeli withdrawal from the rest of Gaza.
Egypt and Israel were widely expected to sign an agreement on the border about two weeks ago but the signing never took place. Israel has given mixed signals about its intentions on the corridor, known to Israelis as the Philadelphi Road.
Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said in an interview last week that he hoped that weapons smuggling would end along the border so that Israel could withdraw from the corridor.
He prefers that Egypt take control of the corridor but if Israel cannot reach a satisfactory agreement then he would have some Israeli forces remain there, officials said.
Aboul Gheit said Israel and Egypt were still discussing legal and political aspects of the Egyptian military presence and complete Israeli withdrawal from the area.
QUOTE(jeffmoskin @ Feb 23 2005, 12:35 PM)
Yes, and you should just take a look at those maps!!!
http://domino.un.org/maps/m0082.gif
Totally ridiculous. Yet, the Israelis under Ben Gurion ACTUALLY AGREED TO ACCEPT THEM inder the theory that "half a loaf was better than nothing at all." The Arabs agreed to declare war on Israel.
Maybe because he was amazed that anyone would have the audacity to draw such a map in ther first place...http://domino.un.org/maps/m0082.gif
Totally ridiculous. Yet, the Israelis under Ben Gurion ACTUALLY AGREED TO ACCEPT THEM inder the theory that "half a loaf was better than nothing at all." The Arabs agreed to declare war on Israel.
"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" -David Ben Gurion
QUOTE(real_democrat @ Feb 23 2005, 04:11 PM)
I thought that honor belonged to The Irgun and The Stern Gang. The King David and Deir Yassin come to mind.
Actually, no, it was invented by Arabs in Iran LOL..and NO, I'm not kidding:
Hasan-e-Sabbah
He was born at Qom, one of the early settlements of Arabs in Iran and a center of Twelvers [the Ishmaelis for those who don't know, who are most of the world's Muslim population outside of the middle east] in the early 11th century. He went on with his religious schooling at Rey, near Tehran, center of Ismailis activists. First he was against them, but later became the leader of them inviting others to this doctrine too. He set up his fortress at Alamut in an area where people were the last Iranians converting to Islam. The area was called Daylam and the people were always warriors disobeying Arabs and other invaders. In politics, they wanted their own independent dynasties and in religion, they wanted a branch different from that of Arab invaders.
Hasan-e-Sabbah managed to get some Seljuk officials assassinated in Iran and turn to be the major threat to ruling Seljuks. During this period of 170 years, Hasan-e-Sabbah and his successors created dreadful nightmares for the enemies of Iranians until, Hulagu, the Mongol seized the Alamut fortress.
http://www.destinationiran.com/pages/Ismailis.htm
QUOTE(real_democrat @ Feb 23 2005, 04:34 PM)
Maybe because he was amazed that anyone would have the audacity to draw such a map in ther first place...
"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" -David Ben Gurion
"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" -David Ben Gurion
Well maybe because they have 22 other "ARAB" countries, but hey, I think Ben-Gurion was merely being a realist, and he turned out to be right now didn't he? The Arabs weren't going to allow anyone not an Arab or a Muslim to have rule there...look what they did to Lebanon's Christians, the Berbers, the Copts, the B'hai and every other minority religion in the region. The Arabs seem to think they MUST be in charge. But you see, it was not Israel's intent to ONLY have Jews there, only to have a place that was Jewish run. Because in the Israelis Declaration of Independence it says AND WAS READ ALOUD IN THE STREETS TOO!!
Declaration of Independence of Israel that also says:
Even amidst the violent attacks launched against us for months past, we call upon the sons of the Arab people dwelling in Israel to keep the peace and to play their part in building the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its institutions, provisional and permanent.
We extend the hand of peace and good-neighborliness to all the States around us and to their people, and we call upon them to cooperate in mutual helpfulness with the independent Jewish nation in its Land. The State of Israel is prepared to make its contribution in a concerted effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East. - David Ben-Gurion, in Israel's Proclamation of Independence, read on May 14, 1948 at Tel Aviv Museum
This was declared by the big bad Zionist leader just moments before the 6 Arab armies, trained and armed by the British, invaded the Jewish tiny state with the stated goal of its extermination.
And the leaders of the invading Arab countries also called for the Arabs to leave - "The Arabs should conduct their wives and children to safe areas until the fighting has died down." - Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri Said, quoted in Sir Am Nakbah ("The Secret Behind the Disaster") by Nimr el Hawari, Nazareth, 1952 .
QUOTE(ghostgovt @ Feb 23 2005, 04:14 PM)
Eygpt has suggested to Syrian President Assad to withdraw its troops from Lebanon, although the Lebanon govt has not yet requested Assad to do this.
Eygpt now ask the Israelis to withdraw from the corridor between Gaza and the Egyptian territory. PM Sharon was to sign such an agreement but has not done so yet.
Does anyone else get the feeling of reluctance with following through with peace talks and agreements as war with Syria may be looming close? Is this a situation in that those involved in this area are waiting to see what will happen in a few weeks with Syria?
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle...middleeast&col=
CAIRO - Egypt insisted on Wednesday on Israeli withdrawal from the corridor between Gaza and Egyptian territory as part of an agreement they are negotiating to go with an Israeli withdrawal from the rest of Gaza.
Egypt and Israel were widely expected to sign an agreement on the border about two weeks ago but the signing never took place. Israel has given mixed signals about its intentions on the corridor, known to Israelis as the Philadelphi Road.
Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said in an interview last week that he hoped that weapons smuggling would end along the border so that Israel could withdraw from the corridor.
He prefers that Egypt take control of the corridor but if Israel cannot reach a satisfactory agreement then he would have some Israeli forces remain there, officials said.
Aboul Gheit said Israel and Egypt were still discussing legal and political aspects of the Egyptian military presence and complete Israeli withdrawal from the area.
Eygpt now ask the Israelis to withdraw from the corridor between Gaza and the Egyptian territory. PM Sharon was to sign such an agreement but has not done so yet.
Does anyone else get the feeling of reluctance with following through with peace talks and agreements as war with Syria may be looming close? Is this a situation in that those involved in this area are waiting to see what will happen in a few weeks with Syria?
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle...middleeast&col=
CAIRO - Egypt insisted on Wednesday on Israeli withdrawal from the corridor between Gaza and Egyptian territory as part of an agreement they are negotiating to go with an Israeli withdrawal from the rest of Gaza.
Egypt and Israel were widely expected to sign an agreement on the border about two weeks ago but the signing never took place. Israel has given mixed signals about its intentions on the corridor, known to Israelis as the Philadelphi Road.
Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said in an interview last week that he hoped that weapons smuggling would end along the border so that Israel could withdraw from the corridor.
He prefers that Egypt take control of the corridor but if Israel cannot reach a satisfactory agreement then he would have some Israeli forces remain there, officials said.
Aboul Gheit said Israel and Egypt were still discussing legal and political aspects of the Egyptian military presence and complete Israeli withdrawal from the area.
HOLY MOLY!!!! I'm speechless! If that happens it has to mean that Egypt is REALLY patrolling that border and if THAT is true....it means a fragile but VERY REAL PEACE! FINALLY!!
QUOTE(lazyboy @ Feb 23 2005, 03:34 AM)
Heart, I agree 'Good fences make good neighbours.' I also did not know about the walls going up in Asia. But what is happening in Palestine is that the whole Palestinian population is being punished for the sake of a few. I used to be on the side that says 'The Palestinians deserve it because they support terrorists.' Then I listened to the Palestinian side. Then I found out that the Jewish Israeli's are against what their army is doing in Palestine, more often than not. I also kept seeing interviews with settlers who come from all parts of the world to become a Jew and get free land in Israel. The whole situation got out of hand. The genuine Jewish people, whose ancestors had some claim to the land were joined by a whole lot of people who are 'rightist fundamentalists' and believe that the dream of Zion can happen if the Palestinians are kept down and only then. It is a great big problem. I feel like I did in the UK about the IRA. I hate the terrorists but I sympathize with the Catholics in NIreland. You get my point?
NO, the Palestinians really need to focus in the other direction for awhile. It's probably a good thing for now. But the thing with this "wall" is that it is only a wall for about 5% of the way, the rest is just barbed wire and normal border type stuff.
Yeah, no one country these days want to go to war and see their soliders hurting people. In WWII we only saw the brave young men doing great stuff and killing the "enemy", who we all hated. But now, the world is too close and this is more like people in the next town over, than it is a world away. NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE...even your toughest Israeli or Palestinian LIKES to see people harmed who are innocent.
But of all the people who you think are going to Israel...but are "rightist fundementlists" who do you mean? You mean the Bene Menashe? You mean the Beta Israel? The ex-Soviet Jews? I don't know who you mean?
I sympathize with Northern Ireland too
I wish they would stick to political maneuvers, I was not happy about the Sein Fein bank robbery deal! Ireland has made a lot of progress, and the standard of living is improving too. I would hate to see them lose it all because of more thugishness.
The only excuse for occupying a land is to prevent genocide. Nobody is touching or even mentioning Sudan, in Europe this week.
The rightist fundamentalist Christians on the whole support the sending of 'Jews' (anyone from anywhere who is studying the religion). They support the idea of Zionism. Some of them, after going to Palestine, realize the suffering of that people, and try and talk about another political solution, not Zionism, in which the Jews should have the whole of the Holy Land. (I am not entirely sure what borders they mean.)
The rightist fundamentalist Christians on the whole support the sending of 'Jews' (anyone from anywhere who is studying the religion). They support the idea of Zionism. Some of them, after going to Palestine, realize the suffering of that people, and try and talk about another political solution, not Zionism, in which the Jews should have the whole of the Holy Land. (I am not entirely sure what borders they mean.)
Just because a controlled media accuses a certain group of doing a deed does not make it so.
When Hariri was killed, immediately the USA blamed Syrian agents. Then an internet source said that the Israelis did it. Another internet source said Israelis infiltrated Hamas and encouraged them with the suicide bombings to give the Israeli army a reason to come down hard on Palestine.
A book written by a priest 15 years ago said that the British Army were responsible for assassinations put down to the IRA. Fifteen years later the British army admit having assassinated a Catholic lawyer.
The truth comes out only after a few years or decades.
When Hariri was killed, immediately the USA blamed Syrian agents. Then an internet source said that the Israelis did it. Another internet source said Israelis infiltrated Hamas and encouraged them with the suicide bombings to give the Israeli army a reason to come down hard on Palestine.
A book written by a priest 15 years ago said that the British Army were responsible for assassinations put down to the IRA. Fifteen years later the British army admit having assassinated a Catholic lawyer.
The truth comes out only after a few years or decades.
QUOTE(lazyboy @ Feb 23 2005, 09:44 PM)
The only excuse for occupying a land is to prevent genocide. Nobody is touching or even mentioning Sudan, in Europe this week.
The rightist fundamentalist Christians on the whole support the sending of 'Jews' (anyone from anywhere who is studying the religion). They support the idea of Zionism. Some of them, after going to Palestine, realize the suffering of that people, and try and talk about another political solution, not Zionism, in which the Jews should have the whole of the Holy Land. (I am not entirely sure what borders they mean.)
The rightist fundamentalist Christians on the whole support the sending of 'Jews' (anyone from anywhere who is studying the religion). They support the idea of Zionism. Some of them, after going to Palestine, realize the suffering of that people, and try and talk about another political solution, not Zionism, in which the Jews should have the whole of the Holy Land. (I am not entirely sure what borders they mean.)
If the only excuse for occupation is to prevent genocide, then should the Hashemites be sent back to the Hijaz? That is where they were thrown out of, and Britain put them on the throne of Jordan. The inhabitants of Jordan (who, if we are keeping with the definitions, to be consistent were the bulk of the palestinian population), then aren't they occupying palestinian land as much as anyone else? The people that lived in Jordan did not ask for this new upper class group of people called Hashemites to enter their land and rule over them. Arafat tried to overthrow the Jordanian throne for that very reason, and failed miserably and was exiled to Lebanon, where he managed to start rabble rousing there too. The Lebanese do not want the Syrian occypation, and in point of fact, the Hawaiians don't want us there either in some numbers.
Also, if a action is taken, an occupying power has the responsibility to police the occupied territory until that territory has a government that can defend itself, this is international law. This arrangement is supposed to last until final negotiations between the two parties that have gone to war can arrive at a negotiated settlement. So, after Jordan ceded the West Bank, exactly who was Israel supposed to turn the government over to? A terrorist named Arafat? Would you do that? At the time, this guy was declaring war on Israel's existence. How do you turn the government over, and all the sovereignty issues as well, to a terrorist organization?
I do not really know of the people going to Israel for nefarious reasons. Israel has always wanted the Jews to come home and help build the country. That's not a bad thing, but it is hard to leave your home to go to a foreign land if you don't have to. Most of Israel's residents had very little choice in the matter.
It's very complicated over there!
I saw people on television who had come from poor South American countries. Then there are those who have perfect English and American accents. I am not judging them, maybe they were genuine, but some who have not come from Jewish backgrounds are taking advantage of the land there and becomiing Jewish. Maybe only a few, maybe a lot, but there have been some on the media.
You obviously know the history of the region better than I do. You're right it is complicated.
You obviously know the history of the region better than I do. You're right it is complicated.
QUOTE(picadilly @ Feb 23 2005, 01:23 PM)
You would've said poppies and oil and you could've made sense.
But obviously you have something else on your mind.
So when was the last time Bush showed any concern for Tibet if he cared so much about occupied nations ?
But obviously you have something else on your mind.
So when was the last time Bush showed any concern for Tibet if he cared so much about occupied nations ?
Good try, picadilly, but straw man arguments are simply used as a ruse in order to distract. There may be some people here who may fall for that sort of thing, especially inasmuch as so many people are such reactionaries that all one has to do is frame a person's comments as if they were somehow supporting Bush, and capitalize on the results accordingly. Pretty blatantly obvious what you are doing.
I was not commenting on the Shrub, though, whose own attitudes are quite obviously hypocritical. I was commenting on *yours*, which are also hypocritical. So far, you are two for three, since you support an occupation when it is Arabs who are the occupiers, but not in the other two cases (Israel vrs. Arab Palestinians or China Vrs. Tibetans).
When Bush says "you're either with us or against us", a reactionary who does not base his or her political notions on any real values will simply head in the opposite direction. In this world, an enemy of one's enemy is one's friend, and so those who oppose Bush are then given support. All too easy to simply fall in line with the radical Arab propaganda with this mindset, the net result arriving at the point where anything Arab is justified, and anything not Arab is not. I don't live in that simplistic a world where there are clearly defined good guys and bad guys, myself, but if you look the other way because it is Arabs occupying another nation or because it is Arabs engaging in genocide, then perhaps you do.
QUOTE(Eugeenie @ Feb 24 2005, 10:57 AM)
Good try, picadilly, but straw man arguments are simply used as a ruse in order to distract. There may be some people here who may fall for that sort of thing, especially inasmuch as so many people are such reactionaries that all one has to do is frame a person's comments as if they were somehow supporting Bush, and capitalize on the results accordingly. Pretty blatantly obvious what you are doing.
I was not commenting on the Shrub, though, whose own attitudes are quite obviously hypocritical. I was commenting on *yours*, which are also hypocritical. So far, you are two for three, since you support an occupation when it is Arabs who are the occupiers, but not in the other two cases (Israel vrs. Arab Palestinians or China Vrs. Tibetans).
When Bush says "you're either with us or against us", a reactionary who does not base his or her political notions on any real values will simply head in the opposite direction. In this world, an enemy of one's enemy is one's friend, and so those who oppose Bush are then given support. All too easy to simply fall in line with the radical Arab propaganda with this mindset, the net result arriving at the point where anything Arab is justified, and anything not Arab is not. I don't live in that simplistic a world where there are clearly defined good guys and bad guys, myself, but if you look the other way because it is Arabs occupying another nation or because it is Arabs engaging in genocide, then perhaps you do.
Funny thing is you seem to be responding to what you think people say, not what they actually do say. I was not commenting on the Shrub, though, whose own attitudes are quite obviously hypocritical. I was commenting on *yours*, which are also hypocritical. So far, you are two for three, since you support an occupation when it is Arabs who are the occupiers, but not in the other two cases (Israel vrs. Arab Palestinians or China Vrs. Tibetans).
When Bush says "you're either with us or against us", a reactionary who does not base his or her political notions on any real values will simply head in the opposite direction. In this world, an enemy of one's enemy is one's friend, and so those who oppose Bush are then given support. All too easy to simply fall in line with the radical Arab propaganda with this mindset, the net result arriving at the point where anything Arab is justified, and anything not Arab is not. I don't live in that simplistic a world where there are clearly defined good guys and bad guys, myself, but if you look the other way because it is Arabs occupying another nation or because it is Arabs engaging in genocide, then perhaps you do.
You keep slapping "Radical Arab propagandadists" and "reactionaries" labels on everyone, if there was ever anybody who is using a "ruse to distract", its you.
Maybe You should dust off the old "radical left", and "far left" epithets you used to toss around. And dont forget "fringe", one of my favorites.
QUOTE(heart @ Feb 23 2005, 10:26 PM)
If the only excuse for occupation is to prevent genocide, then should the Hashemites be sent back to the Hijaz? That is where they were thrown out of, and Britain put them on the throne of Jordan. The inhabitants of Jordan (who, if we are keeping with the definitions, to be consistent were the bulk of the palestinian population), then aren't they occupying palestinian land as much as anyone else? The people that lived in Jordan did not ask for this new upper class group of people called Hashemites to enter their land and rule over them.
Ouch! Your arrows are sharp tonight, Heart. Jack Philby (Kim Philby's father) of British MI 6 supplied the Saud clan with super secret information enabling them to drive the Hashemites out of the Hijaz. Something about the control of OIL. Anyway, since the Brits are incredibly fair, they owed the Hashemites something. So they installed Abdullah on the throne in Amman and Faisal on the throne in Baghdad.
QUOTE(heart @ Feb 23 2005, 10:26 PM)
Arafat tried to overthrow the Jordanian throne for that very reason, and failed miserably and was exiled to Lebanon, where he managed to start rabble rousing there too. The Lebanese do not want the Syrian occypation...
Arafat has left a trail of disaster and ruin behind him wherever he went. I heard it said that they buried him in a glass coffin...so they could keep an eye on him.
QUOTE(heart @ Feb 23 2005, 10:26 PM)
...and in point of fact, the Hawaiians don't want us there either in some numbers.
First we brought them Christianity. Then, while they were kneeling in prayer, we stole their land. But, hey, it's a great place to vacation.
QUOTE(heart @ Feb 23 2005, 10:26 PM)
Also, if a action is taken, an occupying power has the responsibility to police the occupied territory until that territory has a government that can defend itself, this is international law. This arrangement is supposed to last until final negotiations between the two parties that have gone to war can arrive at a negotiated settlement. So, after Jordan ceded the West Bank, exactly who was Israel supposed to turn the government over to? A terrorist named Arafat? Would you do that? At the time, this guy was declaring war on Israel's existence. How do you turn the government over, and all the sovereignty issues as well, to a terrorist organization?
Jordan and Israel have always managed to "get along" even when they had to look adversarial in public (for the "Arab street"). King Hussein always knew that commerce with Israel was essential to Jordanian survival. Aside from the fact that nobody sent for him (except the Brits) he was a pretty good ruler. I hope his son is half as good.
QUOTE(heart @ Feb 23 2005, 10:26 PM)
I do not really know of the people going to Israel for nefarious reasons. Israel has always wanted the Jews to come home and help build the country. That's not a bad thing, but it is hard to leave your home to go to a foreign land if you don't have to. Most of Israel's residents had very little choice in the matter.
It's very complicated over there!
It's very complicated over there!
My wife and I are going there in April. I'll give you a report.
QUOTE(picadilly @ Feb 23 2005, 02:11 AM)
You mean ALL AROUND *HIS* house, halfway through his garden ?
No barbed wire ? No surveillance cameras? No remote controlled machine guns ? No tanks full of hot oil ?
Good thing there is a ban on landmines. But wait a minute:
"Israel has not acceded to the Mine Ban Treaty. Israel has said that it “supports a gradual regional process towards the eventual goal of a total ban on landmines, based on peaceful relations and regional cooperation.”[1] It has not made any new statements regarding its position on the Mine Ban Treaty since October 2002, when Foreign Ministry officials stated that while Israel supports the humanitarian objectives of the treaty, it is not in a position to separate its landmine policy from other regional security considerations.[2] Israel stated in late 2003 that considering the current threats to its security, unilateral disarmament and arms limitations “cannot contribute to peace, security and stability, and may actually lead to escalation of the conflict.”[3]
http://www.icbl.org/lm/2004/israel
No landmines ?
No barbed wire ? No surveillance cameras? No remote controlled machine guns ? No tanks full of hot oil ?
Good thing there is a ban on landmines. But wait a minute:
"Israel has not acceded to the Mine Ban Treaty. Israel has said that it “supports a gradual regional process towards the eventual goal of a total ban on landmines, based on peaceful relations and regional cooperation.”[1] It has not made any new statements regarding its position on the Mine Ban Treaty since October 2002, when Foreign Ministry officials stated that while Israel supports the humanitarian objectives of the treaty, it is not in a position to separate its landmine policy from other regional security considerations.[2] Israel stated in late 2003 that considering the current threats to its security, unilateral disarmament and arms limitations “cannot contribute to peace, security and stability, and may actually lead to escalation of the conflict.”[3]
http://www.icbl.org/lm/2004/israel
No landmines ?
Yes and build it on your side of the properyt or at least on the property line. Can you imagine having a neighbor you did not get along with so you build a fence 50' over on his side?
True about the land thing...there's only one problem with that, the land ownership rules there are totally different than the land ownership rules here, thus causing MOST of the problems. And, for the 100'th time, the 1967 cease fire lines were not final, never were final, and could have been finalized anytime these people decided to stop waring against Israel for total destruction. And given the "felt tip marker" that was used to draw them, you can't know if that marker was a mile or a 1/2 a mile or what! proportianate to the map it was drawn on anyway.
QUOTE(jeffmoskin @ Feb 24 2005, 06:53 PM)
My wife and I are going there in April. I'll give you a report.
Hey Jeff, take a look at one of my favorite Israel diaries from a Doc in California who was there during the whole intafada, had dinner with Arabs, Jews who were secular, Jews who were Chareidi and all else in between. Here is one of my favorite excerpt:
"We are standing at the bedside of a young Arab man with unexplained diffuse muscle pains. Someone suggests that he may have trichinosis, a parasitic illness gotten from eating pork. To my surprise, this possibility is seriously discussed. "But you're Moslem, aren't you?" I ask him.
He grins, perhaps with a trace of embarrassment. "Well, doctor, you know…"
The man in the next bed has a similar grin. "Doctor, we're not all religious."
Now I'm embarrassed. In spite of my best efforts, I've been stereotyping people"
http://home.att.net/~fiddlerzvi/Israeldiary1.html
QUOTE(Eugeenie @ Feb 23 2005, 11:01 AM)
Interesting attitudes you have there. Some Jewish homes on the lands you wish clensed of such things and you go on and on about it. An entire sovereign nation is occupied and it's no big deal.
It all depends on whether it is an Arab or Jew (or Maronite Christian), I guess, and your double standards are quite glaring.
It all depends on whether it is an Arab or Jew (or Maronite Christian), I guess, and your double standards are quite glaring.
QUOTE(Eugeenie @ Feb 24 2005, 10:57 AM)
Good try, picadilly, but straw man arguments are simply used as a ruse in order to distract...
...
I was not commenting on the Shrub, though, whose own attitudes are quite obviously hypocritical. I was commenting on *yours*, which are also hypocritical. So far, you are two for three, since you support an occupation when it is Arabs who are the occupiers, but not in the other two cases (Israel vrs. Arab Palestinians or China Vrs. Tibetans).
...
When Bush says "you're either with us or against us",...
...
I don't live in that simplistic a world where there are clearly defined good guys and bad guys, myself, but if you look the other way because it is Arabs occupying another nation or because it is Arabs engaging in genocide, then perhaps you do.
...
I was not commenting on the Shrub, though, whose own attitudes are quite obviously hypocritical. I was commenting on *yours*, which are also hypocritical. So far, you are two for three, since you support an occupation when it is Arabs who are the occupiers, but not in the other two cases (Israel vrs. Arab Palestinians or China Vrs. Tibetans).
...
When Bush says "you're either with us or against us",...
...
I don't live in that simplistic a world where there are clearly defined good guys and bad guys, myself, but if you look the other way because it is Arabs occupying another nation or because it is Arabs engaging in genocide, then perhaps you do.
Eugeenie,
I haven't a clue what arguments you are qualifying as the "straw man's", because in my previous posts I haven't expressed any opinion on the syrian occupation of Lebanon or support of, as I haven't expressed before any support of or even suggested "land-cleansing" of jewish homes, which you brought up in your first reply.
Incredibly, you regularly manage to "read" opinions where there aren't any asserted, as you manage to tele-pathetically read "attitudes" and motives in words before starting a campaign of character assassination like the one which led to shutting out all debate about Israel on the Kerry Forum, on the falsely and hysterically claimed pretext of anti-semitism.
Please consider this reply as my last message addressed to you as trying to make sense of your repeated attempts to polarize debate into pro-/anti-israeli or pro-/anti-jewish, as well as finding words to deny your creative paraphrasing and the visions of your mind-reading is truely a waste of time. Thank you.
QUOTE(heart @ Feb 23 2005, 03:21 PM)
Bush is very popular in the middle east in terms of leadership. They have a different cultural system of evalution and they like wishy-washy even less than Americans do.
I don't understand your second question, but I think there are more American Jewish voters so they matter more.
I don't understand your second question, but I think there are more American Jewish voters so they matter more.
Heart,
In your previous post you wrote...
QUOTE(heart @ Feb 23 2005, 12:55 AM)
The Bush administration is no dear friend to Israel, as we all knew for a fact before the election. That's why 75% of American Jews voted for Kerry.
Or turned the other way around...
"75% of American Jews voted for Kerry, therefore the Bush administration is no friend to Israel.
I tripped on the Clintonian "IS". ("It depends on what the meaning of the word "IS" is.")
The use of "IS" suggests a wide acceptance of your statement about Bush being no friend to Israel.
To which I brought up the finding reported in Haaretz:
"The poll taken by the Haaretz, showed that Israelis preferred Bush over Kerry by two-to-one."
My question should probably have been:
"Don't Israeli jews know better than american jews if Bush is a friend of Israel or not ?"
I thought the answer to this question above would lead you to reconsider your interpretation of Israel's, or the israelis' perception about Bush and his Mid-East policies. There was no hidden meaning, just the outlining of what I would consider as an important factor in the interpretation of Israel's collaboration with Bush.
Oh, I see...sorry. What I mean is that Bush basically lied to the Israelis and they supported him because they were not as aware of his propensity to tell tall tales as American Jews are.
The other thing is purely middle east culture. Even in Syria and Iran Bush beat Kerry for cultural reasons having to do with perceptions of "taking a stand".
I think I spent hours a day talking to Jews from Israel and the US about Bush and Kerry's stances on the issue, and while American Jewish voters are not monolithic single issue voters, they do care about the issue. They have watched the middle eastern connections of the Bush administraiton, and they argued a lot about what the candidates SAID. I argued about the money going to Bush's campaign and what that would mean, and about strategic issues Bush would work toward to gain Arab support (a traditional Repubican voting bloc) and Israel would be dumped in a hearbeat if Bush didn't feel he needed them anymore. American's tend to understand this better than others. That's what I spend so much time campaigning about during the election and now I am unfortanately watching people eat crow. It's okay though, cause pretty much all this had to happen eventually, but it's another Bush gamble and I hope it works, cause I don't want HAMAS launching rockets into Israel from Gush Katif after these poor people have to give up their homes and businesses and dig up their dead and move the whole town...it would be more heartbreaking if it were all for nothing in the end.
That's all I meant. Israelis have a different view than those who know the Bush's better than they do.
The other thing is purely middle east culture. Even in Syria and Iran Bush beat Kerry for cultural reasons having to do with perceptions of "taking a stand".
I think I spent hours a day talking to Jews from Israel and the US about Bush and Kerry's stances on the issue, and while American Jewish voters are not monolithic single issue voters, they do care about the issue. They have watched the middle eastern connections of the Bush administraiton, and they argued a lot about what the candidates SAID. I argued about the money going to Bush's campaign and what that would mean, and about strategic issues Bush would work toward to gain Arab support (a traditional Repubican voting bloc) and Israel would be dumped in a hearbeat if Bush didn't feel he needed them anymore. American's tend to understand this better than others. That's what I spend so much time campaigning about during the election and now I am unfortanately watching people eat crow. It's okay though, cause pretty much all this had to happen eventually, but it's another Bush gamble and I hope it works, cause I don't want HAMAS launching rockets into Israel from Gush Katif after these poor people have to give up their homes and businesses and dig up their dead and move the whole town...it would be more heartbreaking if it were all for nothing in the end.
That's all I meant. Israelis have a different view than those who know the Bush's better than they do.
QUOTE(heart @ Feb 24 2005, 08:23 PM)
Hey Jeff, take a look at one of my favorite Israel diaries from a Doc in California who was there during the whole intafada, had dinner with Arabs, Jews who were secular, Jews who were Chareidi and all else in between. Here is one of my favorite excerpt:
"We are standing at the bedside of a young Arab man with unexplained diffuse muscle pains. Someone suggests that he may have trichinosis, a parasitic illness gotten from eating pork. To my surprise, this possibility is seriously discussed. "But you're Moslem, aren't you?" I ask him.
He grins, perhaps with a trace of embarrassment. "Well, doctor, you know…"
The man in the next bed has a similar grin. "Doctor, we're not all religious."
Now I'm embarrassed. In spite of my best efforts, I've been stereotyping people"
http://home.att.net/~fiddlerzvi/Israeldiary1.html
"We are standing at the bedside of a young Arab man with unexplained diffuse muscle pains. Someone suggests that he may have trichinosis, a parasitic illness gotten from eating pork. To my surprise, this possibility is seriously discussed. "But you're Moslem, aren't you?" I ask him.
He grins, perhaps with a trace of embarrassment. "Well, doctor, you know…"
The man in the next bed has a similar grin. "Doctor, we're not all religious."
Now I'm embarrassed. In spite of my best efforts, I've been stereotyping people"
http://home.att.net/~fiddlerzvi/Israeldiary1.html
Thanks for the tip, Heart.
Yeah, we'll be staying with an Israeli family who also occasionally enjoy '"white steak." But I'd be very surprised to hear of a case of Trychinosis in Israel which has pretty good hygene.
And we have an Arab friend here in LA who we met through that Israeli (they went to Hebrew U together) and were in Peace Now. Peace Now - a good idea - but very bad timing.
These people really do want to live in harmony. All they need is better leadership and a quarantine on the hatred spewed by fanatics on both sides. My prayers are with them. They deserve better.
From your lips to G-d's ears!
I keep getting invited to Kurdistan again too. LOL! I'm sure they mean it and I would love it! Maybe someday...we will all see more similarities than differences. I actually work on it every single day, every chance I get, and I am truly blessed to get so many opportunities to be the only Jew people have ever met:). It's an honor actually and I try to be a good representative...and actually it's a lot easier because they know the history and they know more about the middle east so it works out good.
Please take a visit to Kurdish Jews towns and see how they are doing for me okay?
I keep getting invited to Kurdistan again too. LOL! I'm sure they mean it and I would love it! Maybe someday...we will all see more similarities than differences. I actually work on it every single day, every chance I get, and I am truly blessed to get so many opportunities to be the only Jew people have ever met:). It's an honor actually and I try to be a good representative...and actually it's a lot easier because they know the history and they know more about the middle east so it works out good.
Please take a visit to Kurdish Jews towns and see how they are doing for me okay?
Israel offers 6,000 new homes in the West Bank... 1000s of religious Jews gathered in Jerusalem to protest the pullout. [[Opponents have sent threatening letters to government leaders, blocking major Israeli roads with burning tires and calling Israeli security forces Nazis.]]
http://www.mytelus.com/news/article.do?pag...ticleID=1856014
Friday, Feb 25, 2005
6,000 new Israeli homes planned in West Bank
Israel is planning to build more than 6,000 new homes in Jewish settlements in the West Bank this year, an Israeli newspaper reported Friday.
The government will also legitimize around 120 unauthorized Jewish outposts in the area, the Yediot Ahronot reported, citing the Israel Land Administration's 2005 working plan.
Settlements are a contentious issue between the Israelis and Palestinians. Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has said Israel will keep major West Bank settlements in any peace agreement with the Palestinians.
But the Palestinians want all settlements removed.
Meanwhile, Israel may shorten its timetable to withdraw from the Gaza Strip and the northern West Bank to hamper resistance from Jewish extremists opposed to the pullout, security officials say.
The Israeli government had originally planned a 12-week evacuation, but that could be cut down to four weeks. Military officials are worried that opponents of the pullout could use force to resist evacuation of the settlements.
[[ Thousands of religious Jews gathered in Jerusalem on Thursday night to protest the pullout plan of 9,000 settlers.
Some compared the evacuation to the Holocaust, while others held balloons that read "in each settlement there are more arms, ammunition and weapons-trained men than there were in the Warsaw ghetto."]]
[[Opponents have sent threatening letters to government leaders, blocking major Israeli roads with burning tires and calling Israeli security forces Nazis.]]
http://www.mytelus.com/news/article.do?pag...ticleID=1856014
Friday, Feb 25, 2005
6,000 new Israeli homes planned in West Bank
Israel is planning to build more than 6,000 new homes in Jewish settlements in the West Bank this year, an Israeli newspaper reported Friday.
The government will also legitimize around 120 unauthorized Jewish outposts in the area, the Yediot Ahronot reported, citing the Israel Land Administration's 2005 working plan.
Settlements are a contentious issue between the Israelis and Palestinians. Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has said Israel will keep major West Bank settlements in any peace agreement with the Palestinians.
But the Palestinians want all settlements removed.
Meanwhile, Israel may shorten its timetable to withdraw from the Gaza Strip and the northern West Bank to hamper resistance from Jewish extremists opposed to the pullout, security officials say.
The Israeli government had originally planned a 12-week evacuation, but that could be cut down to four weeks. Military officials are worried that opponents of the pullout could use force to resist evacuation of the settlements.
[[ Thousands of religious Jews gathered in Jerusalem on Thursday night to protest the pullout plan of 9,000 settlers.
Some compared the evacuation to the Holocaust, while others held balloons that read "in each settlement there are more arms, ammunition and weapons-trained men than there were in the Warsaw ghetto."]]
[[Opponents have sent threatening letters to government leaders, blocking major Israeli roads with burning tires and calling Israeli security forces Nazis.]]
QUOTE(heart @ Feb 25 2005, 12:21 AM)
From your lips to G-d's ears!
Please take a visit to Kurdish Jews towns and see how they are doing for me okay?
Please take a visit to Kurdish Jews towns and see how they are doing for me okay?
Do you have some town names?
interesting headline-spin dichotomy here. earlier i'd heard about the 6000 WB homes, when i went to check it out, saw this documenting the news. kinda fascinating the way info presentation can impact your perception, huh?
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Albany Times Union, NY - 9 hours ago
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Petoskey News-Review, MI - 9 hours ago
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Munster Times, IN - 9 hours ago
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Times Picayune, LA - 9 hours ago
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Keralanext, India - 9 hours ago
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Columbia Basin Herald, WA - 9 hours ago
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Israel to Shorten Evacuation Timetable
Guardian, UK - 9 hours ago
By AMY TEIBEL. JERUSALEM (AP) - Israeli Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz has ordered defense officials to drastically cut the timetable ...
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Daily Inter Lake, MT - 9 hours ago
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MLive.com, MI - 9 hours ago
By AMY TEIBEL. JERUSALEM (AP) — Israeli Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz has ordered defense officials to drastically cut the timetable ...
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Fresno Bee, CA - 9 hours ago
By AMY TEIBEL, Associated Press Writer. JERUSALEM (AP) - Israeli Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz has ordered defense officials to drastically ...
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Elko Daily Free Press, NV - 9 hours ago
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North County Times, CA - 9 hours ago
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Macon Telegraph, GA - 9 hours ago
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Akron Beacon Journal (subscription), OH - 10 hours ago
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Pioneer Press, MN - 10 hours ago
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Israel to Shorten Evacuation Timetable
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Columbus Ledger-Enquirer, GA - 10 hours ago
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Israel to shorten evacuation timetable
Biloxi Sun Herald, MS - 10 hours ago
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Israel to shorten evacuation timetable
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Israel to shorten evacuation timetable
Grand Forks Herald, ND - 10 hours ago
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Fort Wayne Journal Gazette, IN - 10 hours ago
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Fort Wayne News Sentinel, IN - 10 hours ago
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QUOTE(luaptifer @ Feb 25 2005, 04:12 PM)
interesting headline-spin dichotomy here. earlier i'd heard about the 6000 WB homes, when i went to check it out, saw this documenting the news. kinda fascinating the way info presentation can impact your perception, huh?
Gaza Gaza Gaza- then they are just moving into the West Bank to secure land there. What kind of shell game is this?
srael Plans New West Bank Settlement After Gaza Withdrawal
Thursday, February 17 2005 @ 05:06 AM EST
"Officials, engaged in security coordination talks with Israel since the ceasefire was declared, cried foul over the new settlement plan.."
By Dan Williams
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel intends to build a new settlement in the West Bank that could take in settlers uprooted from Gaza, officials said on Tuesday, drawing swift protest from Palestinians who fear losing land for a state they seek.
Gvaot, planned as an extension to the Gush Etzion settlement bloc, appeared to fall within the cracks of a U.S.-led "road map" peace plan whose final vision is hotly disputed as Israel and the Palestinians try to stabilize a tentative ceasefire.
The road map requires a halt to settlement-building on land Israel captured in 1967 and where Palestinians want statehood. But President Bush said in 2004 that Israel could expect to keep some of the West Bank land under an accord.
Disclosing the Gvaot project, Housing Minister Isaac Herzog said Jewish settlers slated for evacuation from Gaza this year would be encouraged to relocate to sparsely populated areas of Israel, but could also go to the West Bank if they chose.
"I cannot prevent an individual who wants to use his compensation to buy a house in Gush Etzion from doing so," he told Reuters. "This would be totally within his rights."
Prime Minister Ariel Sharon aims to remove 8,500 settlers from Gaza under his plan to "disengage" from conflict with Palestinians, while cementing Israel's hold on swathes of the larger West Bank where 230,000 settlers live.
Gush Etzion, about 20 km (12 miles) south of Jerusalem, has about 15,000 settlers alone and is among several sprawling enclaves Sharon regards as strategic assets not to be ceded.
Palestinian officials, engaged in security coordination talks with Israel since President Mahmoud Abbas and Sharon declared a ceasefire at a summit in Egypt last week, cried foul over the new settlement plan.
"Israel is throwing sand in our eyes by continuing with the settlement process (in the West Bank)," Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qurie told Reuters before a cabinet meeting.
Palestinians fear West Bank settlement expansion could dash their hope for a viable state envisioned by the road map.
A U.S. official suggested the plan would not be helpful for fresh efforts to revive the road map stimulated by Abbas's Jan. 9 election to succeed Yasser Arafat on a platform of ending four years of bloodshed to negotiate for statehood on occupied land.
"We are concerned about any building of new or additional settlements in the West Bank, basically because the road map calls for a cessation of settlement activity, and we will be looking into this," he told Reuters. "To extent that the barrier is built inside the West Bank itself, it is a problem."
Sharon has faced strong opposition from right-wing Israelis to abandoning territory they regard as a biblical birthright -- including within his government -- although polls show most of the Jewish state's citizens favor a pullout from tiny Gaza.
Senior political sources said that Sharon hoped to win a key cabinet vote on the Gaza plan this Sunday by tabling another resolution on extending Israel's controversial West Bank barrier to encompass Gush Etzion.
Israel calls the network of fences and walls, a third of whose planned 440-mile length has been built, a bulwark against suicide bombers who have killed hundreds of its citizens. Palestinians call it a disguised bid to annex land.
"The prime minister long put off discussing this (Gush Etzion) section of the fence, concerned it would draw international censure," an Israeli political source said. "Now he hopes to mollify the cabinet rebels, by letting them vote for the fence section with the knowledge that he expects them also to approve the Gaza plan."
As part of a series of goodwill gestures agreed on at the Sharm el-Sheikh summit, Israel is to begin handing over control of West Bank cities to the Palestinian Authority and release hundreds of Palestinian prisoners this month.
The pullback was to have begun with the city of Jericho on Tuesday but was held up by a dispute over Palestinian demands for a removal of Israeli army checkpoints on all access roads.
Source: Reuters
Yes, this is non-negotiable. The areas of highest Jewish population, from Jerusalem to Ariel will be in Israel. Even Arafat understood that. In fact, everyone understands that, so I doubt this is as big of a deal as you think, except for the propagandists that is....not those who really want peace. Isreal has also maintained they would keep these settlements toward Ariel. That is going to be a sticking point now? That's just plain stupid to think you are going to get everything in an negotiation, particlularly when you are the losing side of the war. Silly little obstacles like this will not prevent peace.
'gaza gaza gaza'...
as i said somwhere along the dialogue path, it's the matter of having set the facts on the ground long ago so that when it came time to negotiate, sharon could seem to 'sacrifice' the pawn to keep the king in apparent 'compromise'.
pretty effective it'd seem!
as i said somwhere along the dialogue path, it's the matter of having set the facts on the ground long ago so that when it came time to negotiate, sharon could seem to 'sacrifice' the pawn to keep the king in apparent 'compromise'.
pretty effective it'd seem!
QUOTE(jeffmoskin @ Feb 25 2005, 08:56 AM)
Do you have some town names?
Yeah, but the best place to see it maybe http://www.kurdishjewry.org.il Yet, I hear near the national park, Beit Shemesh, and Yardena as well as Tiberias if you're going that far north. Then, in Jerusalem there is an Iraqi market in the mahane yehuda market where there is good Kurdish and Iraqi food and some restaurants around that area if you ask. I'm SURE they will tell you...just be careful they don't take you home for dinner because after that, you may never get to leave, and you may not ever want to either...if they adopt you...they will try everything they can to keep you!! LOL
There may be more reported dead by morning here in the states. Along with occasional killings almost everyday, this suicide bombing may put an end the peace process.
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5 dead in Tel Aviv explosion
A suicide bomber blew himself up outside a Tel Aviv nightclub Friday, killing four others, injuring 50 and breaking a two-week-old ceasefire.
Police say the bomber detonated in a crowd of people waiting to get inside a nightclub at a popular beachfront walkway in the city's downtown.
As many as 50 people are reported injured. Ambulances and emergency workers rushed to the scene, removing the wounded on stretchers.
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, who condemned the bombing, held an emergency meeting of his security chiefs and called for a joint Palestinian-Israeli investigation.
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Friday, Feb 25, 2005
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5 dead in Tel Aviv explosion
A suicide bomber blew himself up outside a Tel Aviv nightclub Friday, killing four others, injuring 50 and breaking a two-week-old ceasefire.
Police say the bomber detonated in a crowd of people waiting to get inside a nightclub at a popular beachfront walkway in the city's downtown.
As many as 50 people are reported injured. Ambulances and emergency workers rushed to the scene, removing the wounded on stretchers.
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, who condemned the bombing, held an emergency meeting of his security chiefs and called for a joint Palestinian-Israeli investigation.
QUOTE(heart @ Feb 25 2005, 02:24 PM)
Yeah, but the best place to see it maybe http://www.kurdishjewry.org.il Yet, I hear near the national park, Beit Shemesh, and Yardena as well as Tiberias if you're going that far north. Then, in Jerusalem there is an Iraqi market in the mahane yehuda market where there is good Kurdish and Iraqi food and some restaurants around that area if you ask. I'm SURE they will tell you...just be careful they don't take you home for dinner because after that, you may never get to leave, and you may not ever want to either...if they adopt you...they will try everything they can to keep you!! LOL
Thanks, Heart. We will be going up around Tiberias as well as the wine country in the Golan. Just heard bad news a minute ago about another suicide bomber in Tel Aviv. Is there no end to this madness?
This is how I feel about this senseless tradgedy tonight. Since NO words would be sufficient, I just have this running through my mind over and over:
"how i feel
"how i feel
No one seems to stepping forward to claim responsibility for the attack in Tel Aviv. One of the major problems of a continuing peace process would be of "terrorist refugees", attackers with either no place to go or would they have a "place" to operate from, after all, thus being able to continue attacks.
Where do clandestine warriors go if there is no war?
As far as new w.b. settlements, I would be very skeptical if I were jewish and thinking about resettling in the fluid West bank. If a more moderate government follows Sharon, who is not a young man, new settlers could be moving themselves into a land-locked island surrounded by Palistinians.
Can new west bank settlements be self-sufficient, all Tel Aviv-Jeruselem would have to do is wean them or cut them off from support. As I seem to have read heart saying, the borders are very fluid, to mix the metaphor, drawn in blowing sand.
I don't mean to put words in Heart's mouth, but changing the emphasis on what it means today and in the near future about where borders are and where they may be finally drawn.
Where do clandestine warriors go if there is no war?
As far as new w.b. settlements, I would be very skeptical if I were jewish and thinking about resettling in the fluid West bank. If a more moderate government follows Sharon, who is not a young man, new settlers could be moving themselves into a land-locked island surrounded by Palistinians.
Can new west bank settlements be self-sufficient, all Tel Aviv-Jeruselem would have to do is wean them or cut them off from support. As I seem to have read heart saying, the borders are very fluid, to mix the metaphor, drawn in blowing sand.
I don't mean to put words in Heart's mouth, but changing the emphasis on what it means today and in the near future about where borders are and where they may be finally drawn.
QUOTE(luaptifer @ Feb 25 2005, 05:24 PM)
'gaza gaza gaza'...
as i said somwhere along the dialogue path, it's the matter of having set the facts on the ground long ago so that when it came time to negotiate, sharon could seem to 'sacrifice' the pawn to keep the king in apparent 'compromise'.
pretty effective it'd seem!
as i said somwhere along the dialogue path, it's the matter of having set the facts on the ground long ago so that when it came time to negotiate, sharon could seem to 'sacrifice' the pawn to keep the king in apparent 'compromise'.
pretty effective it'd seem!
More evidence that you are correct. Curious to see how this all works out.
Israel denies W Bank homes plan
Maaleh Adumim settlement
The roadmap calls for a freeze on all settlement activity
Israel has denied a report that it is planning to build more than 6,000 new homes in settlements in the West Bank this year.
Yediot Ahronot newspaper said the government land agency plans to ramp up the number of settlement homes to coincide with a withdrawal from Gaza.
But the Israel Lands Authority said the reported plan was old and never received official approval.
The US-backed roadmap peace plan calls for a freeze on settlement activity.
The newspaper also said the government planned to legitimise 120 unauthorised settlement outposts, also prohibited under the roadmap.
All settlements are widely considered illegal under international law, although this is disputed by Israel.
'Natural growth'
Under the roadmap, Israel is obliged to dismantle all outposts erected since March, 2001, when Ariel Sharon took office.
The newspaper said a third of the homes would be built in Maaleh Adumim, the largest settlement in the West Bank, with a population of about 30,000.
JEWISH SETTLEMENTS
400,000 Israelis live in 150 settlements in West Bank (including East Jerusalem)
7,000 Israelis live in 16 settlements in the Gaza Strip
80% of settlers in West Bank live close to Israel's border
Most settlements have fewer than 1,000 citizens
West Bank settlements and checkpoints
The BBC's Barbara Plett in Jerusalem says the reported project would fuel Palestinian fears that Israel is planning to leave the Gaza Strip in order to strengthen its grip on the West Bank.
However, an Israel Lands Authority spokesman was quoted by Reuters news agency as saying: "This is a draft of a plan that was submitted in 2003. It was never approved."
The presence of West Bank settlements is one of the most contentious issues dividing Israel and the Palestinians.
The Palestinians seek the removal of all settlements and outposts in the West Bank and Gaza - areas in which they wish to establish a state.
Israel maintains it is entitled to build within existing settlements to accommodate what it calls "natural growth".
QUOTE(heart @ Feb 25 2005, 11:14 PM)
This is how I feel about this senseless tradgedy tonight. Since NO words would be sufficient, I just have this running through my mind over and over:
"how i feel
"how i feel
Who is the artist? I'm unfamiliar with this genre.
But I like it.
The Israelis has frozen plans with cooperating with the Palestinians in the West Bank. I am not sure that this peace truce can continue now especially if Syria is drawn into war soon or even later this Spring/Summer.
Turkey has announced two non govt organizations bonding with Syria. This is the current effect that the BushCo war has created in Iraq. All Arab countries will begin to split and take sides.
http://www.kbcitv.com/x5154.xml?ParentPage...ngNewsHeadlines
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Israel freezes planned security handover to Palestinians
February 26, 2005 11:20 AM
The Associated Press
JERUSALEM Israel's defense minister has reportedly frozen plans to hand over security responsibilities in the West Bank to the Palestinians.
Israel's Army Radio says the decision was made at an emergency meeting following yesterday's suicide bombing that killed four Israelis outside a Tel Aviv nightclub.
The defense minister is quoted as saying "we cannot carry on and be indifferent to the murderous activities of the terrorist organizations."
Israel had pledged to withdraw from five West Bank towns following last month's cease-fire declaration, and allow Palestinian security forces to take over.
The radio report didn't say when the freeze will be lifted.
Turkey has announced two non govt organizations bonding with Syria. This is the current effect that the BushCo war has created in Iraq. All Arab countries will begin to split and take sides.
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Israel freezes planned security handover to Palestinians
February 26, 2005 11:20 AM
The Associated Press
JERUSALEM Israel's defense minister has reportedly frozen plans to hand over security responsibilities in the West Bank to the Palestinians.
Israel's Army Radio says the decision was made at an emergency meeting following yesterday's suicide bombing that killed four Israelis outside a Tel Aviv nightclub.
The defense minister is quoted as saying "we cannot carry on and be indifferent to the murderous activities of the terrorist organizations."
Israel had pledged to withdraw from five West Bank towns following last month's cease-fire declaration, and allow Palestinian security forces to take over.
The radio report didn't say when the freeze will be lifted.
Tension builds against Sharon... Lukid Party grows more angry!
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/03/03/news/mideast.html
By Greg Myre The New York Times
Friday, March 4, 2005
JERUSALEM Heckled and booed by his own party, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon of Israel firmly rejected calls Thursday for a referendum on his Gaza withdrawal plan despite a renewed push by the party's executive committee and leading figures in his cabinet.
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"I will not let the extreme fringes dictate our path," said Sharon, who endured shouts throughout a speech delivered in a Tel Aviv auditorium to the Central Committee of his rightist Likud Party.
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"We will respond with severity and forcefully to violence, disobedience and incitement," Sharon said, only to be greeted with chants of "Resign! Resign!"
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Shortly after Sharon spoke, the Central Committee voted overwhelmingly for a nonbinding resolution calling on Likud members in Parliament to propose a national referendum on the Gaza pullout. The vote was by a show of hands, and no figures were given. The committee has about 3,000 members, but many were not present.
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The raucous atmosphere reflected the impassioned opposition Sharon faces from his own party loyalists and other rightist Israelis as he prepares to evacuate the more than 8,000 Jewish settlers from Gaza this summer, along with several hundred in the West Bank.
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However, the committee's action has little or no chance of winning parliamentary approval and forcing a referendum.
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Sharon has already won several key votes on his plan in Parliament and in his cabinet, and has defeated every previous attempt to derail his plan or hold a referendum.
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As Likud members held up signs reading, "Sharon go home," the prime minister said, "Believe me, I feel the pain of the settlers, certainly more than many of those shouting here before me."
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Sharon's last major hurdle comes this month. Parliament must approve the national budget before the end of March. Otherwise the government automatically falls, forcing new elections. That could delay the withdrawal, or perhaps even drive Sharon from power.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/03/03/news/mideast.html
By Greg Myre The New York Times
Friday, March 4, 2005
JERUSALEM Heckled and booed by his own party, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon of Israel firmly rejected calls Thursday for a referendum on his Gaza withdrawal plan despite a renewed push by the party's executive committee and leading figures in his cabinet.
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"I will not let the extreme fringes dictate our path," said Sharon, who endured shouts throughout a speech delivered in a Tel Aviv auditorium to the Central Committee of his rightist Likud Party.
.
"We will respond with severity and forcefully to violence, disobedience and incitement," Sharon said, only to be greeted with chants of "Resign! Resign!"
.
Shortly after Sharon spoke, the Central Committee voted overwhelmingly for a nonbinding resolution calling on Likud members in Parliament to propose a national referendum on the Gaza pullout. The vote was by a show of hands, and no figures were given. The committee has about 3,000 members, but many were not present.
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The raucous atmosphere reflected the impassioned opposition Sharon faces from his own party loyalists and other rightist Israelis as he prepares to evacuate the more than 8,000 Jewish settlers from Gaza this summer, along with several hundred in the West Bank.
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However, the committee's action has little or no chance of winning parliamentary approval and forcing a referendum.
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Sharon has already won several key votes on his plan in Parliament and in his cabinet, and has defeated every previous attempt to derail his plan or hold a referendum.
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As Likud members held up signs reading, "Sharon go home," the prime minister said, "Believe me, I feel the pain of the settlers, certainly more than many of those shouting here before me."
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Sharon's last major hurdle comes this month. Parliament must approve the national budget before the end of March. Otherwise the government automatically falls, forcing new elections. That could delay the withdrawal, or perhaps even drive Sharon from power.
Sharon spells trouble for his govt.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.j...sID=0&listSrc=Y
Sharon: Vote against budget will lead to fall of the government
11/03/2005 01:44
Prime Minister Ariel Sharon warned Thursday that if the entire Likud Knesset faction failed to vote in favor of the 2005 budget, the government was likely to fall.
Speaking to Likud wives at a gathering in Tel Aviv to mark International Women's Day, Sharon urged his audience members to use their influence on their spouses to convince them to support the budget.
"We are facing a problem today," Sharon said. "And our problem is that there is a group within the Likud faction that is threatening to vote against the budget and thereby topple a Likud government. This has to be clear: A vote against the budget means the toppling of our government. I am sure that none of you wants this to happen, and I am sure that you will make every effort to prevent the toppling of the Likud government...Speaking to Likud wives at a gathering in Tel Aviv to mark International Women's Day, Sharon urged his audience members to use their influence on their spouses to convince them to support the budget.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.j...sID=0&listSrc=Y
Sharon: Vote against budget will lead to fall of the government
11/03/2005 01:44
Prime Minister Ariel Sharon warned Thursday that if the entire Likud Knesset faction failed to vote in favor of the 2005 budget, the government was likely to fall.
Speaking to Likud wives at a gathering in Tel Aviv to mark International Women's Day, Sharon urged his audience members to use their influence on their spouses to convince them to support the budget.
"We are facing a problem today," Sharon said. "And our problem is that there is a group within the Likud faction that is threatening to vote against the budget and thereby topple a Likud government. This has to be clear: A vote against the budget means the toppling of our government. I am sure that none of you wants this to happen, and I am sure that you will make every effort to prevent the toppling of the Likud government...Speaking to Likud wives at a gathering in Tel Aviv to mark International Women's Day, Sharon urged his audience members to use their influence on their spouses to convince them to support the budget.
Now this percentage number looks more like what Amercians trust factor in BushCo should be. Think there's any corrupt connection here??? Will the common ppl of Israel stand up to their corrupt govt via acts of civil war?
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3094238,00.html
06.02.05, 21:23)
79 percent of the public believes Israeli leaders
A new poll shows 79 percent of the public believes Israeli leaders are characterized by corruption. Only seven percent of respondents said the country's leadership is characterized by honesty. (Ilan Marciano)
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3094238,00.html
06.02.05, 21:23)
79 percent of the public believes Israeli leaders
A new poll shows 79 percent of the public believes Israeli leaders are characterized by corruption. Only seven percent of respondents said the country's leadership is characterized by honesty. (Ilan Marciano)
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