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QUOTE(lazyboy @ May 6 2005, 03:19 AM)
Strange how the face of the abuse scandal is a young reservist (?) anyway a small female, and the one in command, another female.  Men are not accountable - oh I know that Lyndie's boyfriend got a sentence but he was not put in the front of us the way these two women have been.   confused.gif I just wonder why this is.
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Abu Ghraib scandal points to conspiracy at the highest levels Portsmouth Herald News

Abu Ghraib scandal points to conspiracy at the highest levels

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You can’t have a one-person conspiracy."
A moment of clarity voiced by Col. James L. Pohl as he declared a mistrial in the case of Pfc. Lynndie R. England, the poster child for the American military’s abuse scandal at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

England, a learning-impaired Army private who was impregnated by her superior officer in Iraq, had filed a guilty plea and faced up to 30 months in prison.

England is the female soldier seen holding a leash tied around the neck of a naked Iraqi prisoner and many other photos that sparked international outcry.

But when England’s superior officer and the father of her child, Charles A. Graner Jr., took the stand Wednesday, he told Judge Pohl that England was acting under orders from him and he was also following orders. Pohl said he could not allow England to plead guilty if she did not commit a crime as Graner testified.

While England is responsible for her actions, she is not solely responsible and that extremely important fact emerged this past week when the judge declared a mistrial.

Given the Alice in Wonderland manner in which these cases have gone forward, we had fully expected England to be thrown in jail. After all, everyone, including President Bush, had characterized her and the other soldiers involved in the prisoner-abuse scandal as demented individuals acting for their own sick amusement.

But Judge Pohl’s actions show someone in the military justice system is still seeking justice.

"You can’t have a one-person conspiracy," Pohl said.

The conspiracy starts with now-Attorney General Alberto Gonzales writing a memo that appears to endorse torture, with Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and his staff looking for loopholes to long-standing international laws regarding the treatment of prisoners.

The Army has busted one general, Brig. Gen. Janis L. Karpinski. Karpinski is the Lynndie England of the top brass. According to The Washington Post, Karpinski was commander of the 800th Military Police Brigade and oversaw prison facilities in Iraq at the time of the Abu Ghraib scandal. Investigations, however, have cleared Karpinski of any connection to the prison scandal and, in fact, a large part of her demotion, according to The New York Times, has to do with her failure to report she was caught shoplifting a $22 bottle of perfume at MacDill Air Force Base.

Karpinski, unlike England, recognizes and has publicly stated she is being made a scapegoat for the Abu Ghraib scandal.

The propaganda machine has kicked into high gear now. England’s civilian lawyer has stepped down and the Army has indicated it intends to file new charges against England after it completes another investigation.

We thank Judge Pohl for this moment of clarity and we ask our readers to consider: Do you really think Lynndie England knew enough about Iraqi culture to know stripping male prisoners naked would be such a wounding humiliation?

Do you really think she, by herself, had the power and authority to leash prisoners or stack them naked in a pyramid?

And what does it say about us as American citizens that we nearly allowed her to take the heat for decisions made at the top levels of the Bush administration?

What lessons should our soldiers take away from this? Are they to be sent to the nastiest battle zones on Earth, follow orders from their superiors only to be held up later as depraved individuals acting on their own?

The Abu Ghraib prison scandal has stained America in the eyes of the world and none of the actions taken since the photos were first released has in any way restored confidence at home or abroad.
no retreat, no surrender
May 8, 2005
'Great Crime' at Abu Ghraib Enrages and Inspires an Artist
By JUAN FORERO
BOGOTÁ, Colombia, May 7 - Fernando Botero, Latin America's best-known living artist, shocked the art world last year when he broke sharply from his usual depictions of small town life to reveal new works that depicted Colombia's war in horrific detail.

Now, Mr. Botero, 73, who lives in Paris and New York, has taken on an even more explosive topic: the torture of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib. Forty-eight paintings and sketches - of naked prisoners attacked by dogs, dangling from ropes, beaten by guards, in a mangled heap of bodies - will be exhibited in Rome at the Palazzo Venezia museum on June 16.

"These works are a result of the indignation that the violations in Iraq produced in me and the rest of the world," Mr. Botero said by telephone from his Paris studio.

"I began to do some very fluid drawings, and then I began to paint and the results are 50 works inspired by this great crime."

Mr. Botero said the paintings and sketches, done in oils, pencil and charcoal and part of a 170-piece traveling exhibition, would also be shown at the Würth Museum in Germany in October and at the Pinacoteca in Athens next year before returning to Germany. The exhibition was first made public last month, when Diners, a Colombian magazine, published photographs of the works.

Mr. Botero's work had, until recently, not been known for making political statements. Instead, for 50 years, his paintings had been associated with the placid, pastoral scenes of the small-town Colombia of his childhood, featuring ordinary people, aristocrats, military officers and nuns, all of them extravagantly corpulent.

But last year, his paintings of Colombia's long guerrilla war, full of blood, agony and senseless violence, became a big draw in European galleries, surprising followers astonished by Mr. Botero's bold departure in substance, if not style. Mr. Botero explained that he had decided he could not stay silent over a conflict he called absurd.

Now, he said, his indignation over war and brutality may turn up increasingly in his work.

"I rethought my idea of what to paint and that permitted me to do the war in Colombia, and now there's this," he said. "And if there's something else that compels me in the future, then I will do it."

Mr. Botero, citing the Impressionists and the many works of a favorite of his, Velásquez, said he had once thought that art should be inoffensive, since "it doesn't have the capacity to change anything."

But with time, and his growing outrage, Mr. Botero said he had become more cognizant that art could and should make a statement.

He pointed to the most famous antiwar painting of the 20th century, Picasso's masterpiece that depicted the German bombing of Guernica, Spain. Had Picasso not produced "Guernica," Mr. Botero said, the town would have been another footnote in the Spanish Civil War.

He said he read about Abu Ghraib in The New Yorker, then followed European news accounts. Calling himself an admirer of the United States - one of his sons lives in Miami - Mr. Botero said he became incensed because he expected better of the American government.

His new paintings and sketches - conceived not from photographs or specific acts of torture but rather from his reading of news reports - depict gruesome scenes of prison abuse. One inmate hangs from the ceiling, a rope around his ankle. Another work shows a soldier beating a prisoner with a baton, while yet another portrays a soldier urinating on an inmate. In many of the works, inmates simply scream in pain.

Mr. Botero said the works being exhibited, and those he has continued to create on Abu Ghraib, were not for sale because it would not be proper to profit from such events.

In Europe, where sentiment against the Iraq war is strong and Mr. Botero's work is well received, news of the paintings and sketches has already generated interest. In Germany, museums in Hanover and Baden Baden want to stage exhibitions exclusively of Mr. Botero's works on Abu Ghraib.

No exhibitions in the United States are planned, though Mr. Botero said he would like nothing more.

His previous works are on display in the Metropolitan Museum of Art, the Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum and many others.

"If any museum wants to show works of torture, well, I would be delighted," Mr. Botero said. "The museum that decides to show it would have to be conscious that many people would be repulsed and be against it."


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/08/internat...agewanted=print
no retreat, no surrender
Beating around the Bush
May 9, 2005

The US military went into Iraq with no clear idea of the rules of engagement, writes Michael Gawenda.

During a nationally televised press conference 11 days ago, George Bush was asked about the CIA's "rendition" policy, through which people suspected of being involved in terrorist organisations are flown for interrogation to countries known to regularly torture detainees.

Not even the most enthusiastic supporters of rendition deny that the most horrific forms of torture are commonplace in some of these places. No one knows how many people have been picked up by the CIA in the US, Europe and parts of Asia and flown to places such as Egypt, Jordan, Afghanistan and Kyrgyzstan for interrogation, but it seems there have been hundreds. And the renditions continue, despite widespread criticism from civil liberties and human rights groups, as well as members of Congress.

Bush was asked about rendition at the press conference and he paused before he answered the question. He said the US did not condone torture and that he had made that clear a number of times.

Then he said this: "But no one should doubt that we are determined to do what has to be done to protect the American people. As President, I have no higher duty."

About the same time, Specialist Lynndie England pleaded guilty at her court martial at Fort Hood army base in Texas to seven counts of mistreating Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison in 2003.

Specialist England - equivalent in rank to a private - is a 23-year-old single mother from a small town in rural West Virginia, where she grew up in a trailer park.

Having joined the army reserve to earn enough money to put herself through college - she had always wanted to be a meteorologist - she ended up in Iraq at the beginning of 2003 as part of a reserve military police unit assigned to Abu Ghraib, the infamous Baghdad jail where Saddam Hussein had his opponents tortured and executed.

Less than a year later, she was perhaps the best-known American soldier in Iraq, known around the world because of a series of photographs taken by fellow soldiers at Abu Ghraib during a late-night "visit" to the prison's cell blocks.

Most of the photographs feature England. One that has been published in newspapers and magazines and flashed on television screens countless times features England holding a leash attached to a dog collar around the neck of a naked and prone Iraqi prisoner.

There are other photos, of course, and in most of the ones featuring England it is her smile that shocks the most, because the smile is a disturbing mystery: what was she smiling about?

Last week a military judge said he was not convinced that England knew that what she did in Abu Ghraib was wrong and threw out her guilty plea.

One wonders, if she heard it, what England made of Bush's statement that he is determined to do what has to be done to protect the American people. Did she think, "That's what I was doing"? During her hearing, England said she had initially resisted taking part in the abuse but her resistance crumbled in the face of peer group pressure.

"I could have said no," she said. "I knew it was wrong."

In one of the photographs, England, smiling, a cigarette dangling from her mouth, points at a naked prisoner's genitals. She said she particularly didn't want to do that. "I said 'no, no way'. But they [the other soldiers] were being very persistent, bugging me, so I said, 'OK, whatever'."

Seven soldiers have been convicted of abusing prisoners as a result of that night at Abu Ghraib. The ringleader, Charles Graner, who was a corporal at the time but has since been demoted to private, was sentenced to 10 years' jail by a military jury in January for the abuse he inflicted on the Iraqi prisoners. Another soldier is still to face a court martial.

Graner, a former prison guard in the US, had argued at his trial that he was obeying orders, that he had been told by military intelligence officers to "soften up" the prisoners before they were interrogated. Graner, however, could not name a single officer who gave him such an order.

It was Graner who derailed England's guilty plea last week when he testified that he had ordered her to hold the leash attached to the naked Iraqi detainee because he thought that was the best way to subdue him. England, he said, was just obeying his orders.

England has a five-month-old baby fathered by Graner. The photographs taken that night at Abu Ghraib included pornographic photos of England and Graner and of some of the other soldiers allegedly involved in the abuse. These photographs have not been released.

There seems to be little doubt that the small group of soldiers involved in this infamous episode of abuse were not acting on direct orders from their superiors. They were under-trained, low-level "grunts" who threatened and beat and sexually humiliated detainees on their own initiative. They were having fun.

But subsequent investigations by the Pentagon have revealed widespread abuse of prisoners in Iraqi and Afghan jails as well as at Guantanamo Bay. More than two dozen detainees have died as a result of injuries inflicted on them in detention.

So far, the US military has issued either criminal or administrative charges against 125 soldiers and officers involved in 350 documented cases of abuse in jails in Iraq and Afghanistan. So far, not a single army officer has been convicted of a criminal offence, though a number have been demoted and reprimanded. Only one general has paid any sort of price for the behaviour of the soldiers under their command: Brigadier-General Janis Karpinski, a reserve army officer in charge of the military police guarding the jails in Iraq, including Abu Ghraib, was demoted to colonel last week and relieved of her command. Her military career is over.

Karpinski knew her career was likely to be over at least a year ago when she told Newsweek magazine that Abu Ghraib, in August 2003, was full to overflowing with detainees. Thousands were being "processed" every month. Insurgents had just bombed the United Nations compound in Baghdad. Abu Ghraib was under mortar attack every night. There were raging gun battles between insurgents and soldiers in the guard towers.

"There was extraordinary pressure being put on military intelligence from every angle to get better information," she said. There was pressure, she said, to find Saddam and the missing weapons of mass destruction.

The pressure was extraordinary from the time that the Bush Administration decided in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks and the subsequent invasion of Afghanistan, that the Geneva Conventions would not apply to Taliban and other fighters captured in Afghanistan and shipped to Guantanamo Bay.

The so-called war on terrorism required different rules and according to memos to Bush, in part prepared by Alberto Gonzales, then special counsel to the president and now the US Attorney-General, "rough" interrogation of alleged terrorists or "illegal combatants" was not torture unless it led to life-threatening injuries and "organ failure".

At the same time, with Bush, the Vice-President, Dick Cheney, and the Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, arguing that the invasion of Iraq was part of the war on terrorism and that there were direct links between Saddam and al-Qaeda, the military had no clear idea of the rules of engagement in Iraq, despite Rumsfeld's decision that Iraq was covered by the Geneva Conventions.

Suspected terrorists, "illegal combatants" and insurgents in Iraq: it was not clear what rules applied to which group. What group was subject to "rendition"? To "tough interrogation"? To the Geneva Conventions?

Rumsfeld and other senior Pentagon officials were pushing the military in Iraq for more and better intelligence on the growing insurgency, which some military intelligence officers, it seems, took to mean that the Geneva Conventions, in certain circumstances, could be ignored.

The army, after what it said was an exhaustive inquiry during which it called more than 80 witnesses, has now cleared all the senior generals in charge of US forces in Iraq at the time the documented abuses, based on the Pentagon's 20 inquiries, took place. Among those cleared was the army's top officer in Iraq, Lieutenant-General Ricardo Sanchez, who was found in one Pentagon investigation to have failed to properly supervise the soldiers under his command, and to have authorised interrogation methods that contravened the Geneva Conventions.

As far as the US military is concerned, it has completed its investigations into the abuse of prisoners, but even Republicans on the armed services committee say there will be further hearings to review the Pentagon investigations and that senior Bush Administration officials will be called to answer allegations that the environment they created led to the abuse of detainees.

The army is soon to release a new interrogation manual that specifically prohibits some of the techniques used in Iraq and Afghanistan, though some critics say these techniques were implicitly prohibited in the current manual.

Meanwhile, Lynndie England will face a new court martial some time in July, not necessarily, according to army officials, on the same charges to which she had pleaded guilty.

Clutching her baby to her chest, dressed in her army uniform as she left the court after her guilty plea was dismissed, she looked a forlorn and pathetic figure. She was not smiling.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Beating-a...l?oneclick=true
no retreat, no surrender
Victimizer and Victim

By Richard Cohen
Post
Friday, May 6, 2005; A23



Lynndie England, "the pointer,'' as some have called her, the one holding the leashed Iraqi prisoner, the soldier with the smirk, pointing at the genitals of the naked men -- that Lynndie England -- has admitted her wrongdoing and, before the military judge ruled otherwise, pleaded guilty to seven counts of mistreating prisoners. She said she was talked into it. For what it's worth, I believe her.

For the moment, her fate is up in the air. The judge says he won't have it both ways -- England admitting she knew what she did was wrong, her more experienced superior at the time contradicting her by saying she thought she was abusing and humiliating prisoners for legitimate training purposes. The judge threw out the conspiracy count to which England had already pleaded guilty. "You can't have a one-person conspiracy," the judge said. About that he is surely right.

So England continues to be an odd, unlikely puppet on the strings of fate. For a while, there was no more famous face in all the world than this Army reservist's. She was some sort of anti-Statue of Liberty, the female personification of what some people insisted America had become. There she was holding the dog leash or posing with the pathetic nude men or climbing on them with her alleged lover and ringleader, then-Cpl. Charles Graner Jr., since busted to private and serving a 10-year sentence in a military jail. It was Graner who gave England the alibi she apparently did not want: She was, really and truly, only following orders.

There is no end to the sadness of Lynndie England. There is no excusing what she did, but explaining is a different matter. She is that rare genuine article, the cliche, the stereotype that turns out upon investigation to be true. She lived with her family in a trailer in West Virginia. She's only a high school graduate. She married when she was 19 -- on a lark, she told her friends, and then for only two years.

She joined the Army Reserve not, as the flag-wavers would like it, for patriotic reasons but for college money (she wanted to be a meteorologist and chase storms). She had an affair or something with Graner in Iraq and has a baby by him. He apparently encouraged her to abuse prisoners. He also married another woman.

A psychologist from her home area testified that England had been a blue baby, born also with a malformation of the tongue that gave her a speech impediment. Apparently, she often chose not to talk at all. She had a learning disability as well. And you can see -- can't you? -- what no one will testify to: She's homely -- and that matters for a woman in America. She posed for pornographic pictures with Graner. The discipline of the Army apparently meant she no longer had to have any herself. This is why fascism can be so (sexually) exciting.

In 1995 Bernhard Schlink, a German law professor and novelist, published "The Reader'' -- a powerful and erotic tale of a relationship between a teenage boy and the illiterate woman he reads to. The two have an affair, and it is only years later that the man discovers his former lover was a guard at Auschwitz. It was a job she fell into, something she could do and not have to reveal that she could not read. She was a victim, pathetic, but she was also a beast. To understand is not necessarily to forgive. In the end, she could not even forgive herself.

It is the same with Lynndie England. She is the sort of woman who gets used by others, most often men. Powerless everywhere in life except on her end of the leash, she just had to come night after night to the section of Abu Ghraib where Graner held sway. She was admonished for this -- her real work was suffering -- but Graner drew her. She knew that what she was doing was wrong -- "I could have said no,'' she told the military court. "I knew it was wrong.'' But in all likelihood, only theoretically could she have said no. Some women always say yes.

How sad, how ironic, that this wee woman should have become the personification of supposed American arrogance. Like all those convicted for the abuses of Abu Ghraib, she is one of America's little people -- not an officer, not even regular Army, but one of a collection of nobodies just trying to get somewhere better. Lynndie England was one of them, and she is suffering for that -- officially for abusing prisoners, actually for being a loser. Whatever the outcome of her trial, the sentence will be life.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...0501682_pf.html
Cali Dem
Lets see if we can get up to date with the so-called "smoking gun" leaked memo. If you find info, please post it in this thread.

Here's what I understand. One memo regarding findings by the British Government's Attorney General about the legality of the war was apparently forged but based on true info.

The second leaked document, the smoking gun memo is legit and much more potentially damaging to Bush (impeachment?) & Blair. It appears to demonstrate that intelligence facts were created & distorted to lead both the U.S. & the UK into war with Iraq.

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Secret memo sheds light on Iraq war
By Molly Ivins

AUSTIN, Texas -- Meanwhile, back in Iraq. I was going to leave out of this column everything about how we got into Iraq, or whether it was wise, and or whether the infamous "they" knowingly lied to us. (Although I did plan to point out I would be nobly refraining from poking at that pus-riddled question.)

Since I believe one of our greatest strengths as Americans is shrewd practicality, I thought it was time we moved past the now unhelpful, "How did we get into his mess?" to the more utilitarian, "What the hell do we do now?"

However, I cannot let this astounding Downing Street memo go unmentioned.

On May 1, the Sunday Times of London printed a secret memo that went to the defense secretary, foreign secretary, attorney general and other high officials. It is the minutes of their meeting on Iraq with Tony Blair. The memo was written by Matthew Rycroft, a Downing Street foreign policy aide. It has been confirmed as legitimate and is dated July 23, 2002. I suppose the correct cliche is "smoking gun."

"C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. (There it is.) The NSC (National Security Council) had no patience with the U.N. route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action."

After some paragraphs on tactical considerations, Rycroft reports, "No decisions had been taken, but he (British defense secretary) thought the most likely timing in U.S. minds for military action to begin was January, with the timeline beginning 30 days before the U.S. congressional elections.

"The foreign secretary said he would discuss this with Colin Powell this week. It seemed clear that Bush had made up his mind to take military action, even if the timing was not yet decided. But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbors, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran. We should work up a plan for an ultimatum to Saddam to allow back in the U.N. weapons inspectors. This would also help with the legal justification for the use of force.

"The attorney general said that the desire for regime change was not a legal base for military action. There were three possible legal bases: self-defense, humanitarian intervention or UNSC authorization. The first and second could not be the base in this case."

There is much more in the memo, which can be found easily online. What's difficult now is placing the memo in the timeframe. Can you remember how little you knew about a war with Iraq in July 2002? Most of us who opposed the war concluded some time ago this was the way it went down. There was plenty of evidence, though nothing this direct and cold. Think of the difference it would have made if we had known all this three years ago. Now? The memo was a huge story in Britain but is almost unreported here.

The memo does get us some forwarder. At least it finally settles this ridiculous debate about how Dear Leader Bush just wanted to bring democracy all along and we did it all for George Washington.

Enough said. What to do? Now that we're there, at least we're on the right side, not even withstanding the disgusting Ahmed Chalabi as oil minister. Unfortunately, our very support for the good guys is making it much harder for them. A tactical Catch-22. I was impressed by the premise of Reza Aslan's new book, "No God but God," which is that all of Islam is undergoing a struggle between the modernists and the traditionalists, between reformers and reactionaries.

But in Iraq, which already had a secular state, we have the additional complication of sectarian/ethnic divisions -- your Sunnis, your Shiites, your Kurds -- not to mention, the tribalism within those divisions. (Am I bitter enough to point out once again that Paul Wolfowitz said under oath, "There is no history ethnic strife in Iraq"? You bet your ass I am.)

Our most basic problem in-country is that having the U.S. of A. on your side automatically makes you about as popular as a socialist in the Texas Legislature: We are working against the guys we want to win by supporting them. This requires some serious skulling but is not, in politics, all that unusual a pickle.

There is a political solution. Like all politics, it requires a deal. What about letting the interim government make a deal with the Sunnis for us to withdraw -- as in, "You cooperate with us, and we'll get the Americans out of here for you." We can't make that deal, but the Iraqis can.


http://www.sacbee.com/content/opinion/nati...-13717044c.html
Cali Dem
Good overview on Truthout:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/050705X.shtml

Greg Palast: Impeachment Time - Facts Were Fixed:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0505/S00089.htm

The memo itself:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1593607,00.html
Cali Dem
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March 20, 2005

MI6 chief told PM: Americans ‘fixed’ case for war
by Nick Fielding (Sunday Times)

THE HEAD of MI6 told Tony Blair that the case for war against Iraq was being “fixed” by the Americans to suit the policy, according to a BBC documentary that will reignite its battle with the government.

Blair followed the US lead by failing to reveal publicly doubts about the quality of intelligence that he had requested to support the case for war, the programme claims.

Sir Richard Dearlove, head of MI6, briefed Blair and a select group of ministers on America’s determination to press ahead with the war nine months before hostilities began.

After attending a briefing in Washington, he told the meeting that war was “inevitable”. Dearlove said “the facts and intelligence” were being “fixed round the policy” by George W Bush’s administration.

The allegations against Blair just weeks before a general election are likely to reopen the feud between the government and the BBC that came to a head over the death of Dr David Kelly, the former weapons inspector. It led to the resignations of Gavyn Davies, its chairman, and Greg Dyke, its director-general.

The documentary — to be shown on BBC1’s Panorama tonight — reveals that Britain and America were anxious to present a united front on Iraq despite a paucity of new data on Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction (WMD).

It quotes from a leaked memo on the presentation of intelligence sent by Peter Ricketts, political director of the Foreign Office, to Jack Straw, foreign secretary, in March 2002.

The memo says: “There is more work to ensure that the figures are accurate and consistent with the US. But even the best survey of Iraq’s WMD programmes will not show much advance in recent years.”

The programme argues that Blair had signed up to follow Bush’s plans for regime change in Iraq as early as April 2002. It quotes Robin Cook, the former foreign secretary who resigned as leader of the Commons over Iraq, arguing that the threat of WMD was not Blair’s true reason for going to war.

Cook says: “What was propelling the prime minister was a determination that he would be the closest ally to George Bush and they would prove to the United States administration that Britain was their closest ally. His problem is that George Bush’s motivation was regime change. It was not disarmament. Tony Blair knew perfectly well what he was doing.

“His problem was that he could not be honest about that with either the British people or Labour MPs, hence the stress on disarmament.”

The intelligence services had little evidence to show that Iraq was a serious threat. At the meeting with Dearlove in July, Straw was still not entirely convinced. But, the programme claims, Blair had to keep talking up the threat posed by Iraq to justify his policy of supporting Bush. MI6 was then tasked to seek new information from its limited Iraqi network to make the case for war.

- more -

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1533385,00.html
Cali Dem
QUOTE
The memo was a huge story in Britain but is almost unreported here. - Ivins


Why is media still hanging back on this?

From the NPR Ombudsman:

http://www.npr.org/yourturn/ombudsman/2003/030321.html

From MediaMatters about letters to the Washington Post about their lack of coverage:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200505090005

http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/for...=0&#entry282356
MrJim
Pisses me off -- I'll tell you that! (The lack of media coverage, especially).
Cali Dem
QUOTE(MrJim @ May 11 2005, 03:30 PM)
Pisses me off -- I'll tell you that! (The lack of media coverage, especially).
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You're in Canada, right? Have you seen anything about this in Candian press? If you find something, will you post it here?
Cali Dem
Hey, would any of our CGCSers who live outside the US look out for articles about the smoking gun memo & post them here? Netherlands...Australia, Canada, Italy...

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Cali Dem
Some coverage about the Conyers letter:

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Bush asked to explain UK war memo

May 11, 2005

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Eighty-nine Democratic members of the U.S. Congress last week sent President George W. Bush a letter asking for explanation of a secret British memo that said "intelligence and facts were being fixed" to support the Iraq war in mid-2002 -- well before the president brought the issue to Congress for approval.

The Times of London newspaper published the memo -- actually minutes of a high-level meeting on Iraq held July 23, 2002 -- on May 1.

British officials did not dispute the document's authenticity, and Michael Boyce, then Britain's Chief of Defense Staff, told the paper that Britain had not then made a decision to follow the United States to war, but it would have been "irresponsible" not to prepare for the possibility.

The White House has not yet responded to queries about the congressional letter, which was released on May 6.

The letter, initiated by Rep. John Conyers, ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee, said the memo "raises troubling new questions regarding the legal justifications for the war as well as the integrity of your own administration. ...

"While various individuals have asserted this to be the case before, including Paul O'Neill, former U.S. Treasury Secretary, and Richard Clarke, a former National Security Council official, they have been previously dismissed by your administration," the letter said.

But, the letter said, when the document was leaked Prime Minister Tony Blair's spokesman called it "nothing new."

In addition to Blair, Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, Defense Secretary Geoff Hoon, Attorney General Peter Goldsmith, MI6 chief Richard Dearlove and others attended the meeting.

A British official identified as "C" said that he had returned from a meeting in Washington and that "military action was now seen as inevitable" by U.S. officials.

"Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.

"The NSC had no patience with the U.N. route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action."

The memo further discussed the military options under consideration by the United States, along with Britain's possible role.

It quoted Hoon as saying the United States had not finalized a timeline, but that it would likely begin "30 days before the U.S. congressional elections," culminating with the actual attack in January 2003.

"It seemed clear that Bush had made up his mind to take military action, even if the timing was not yet decided," the memo said.

"But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbors, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran."

The British officials determined to push for an ultimatum for Saddam to allow U.N. weapons inspectors back into Iraq to "help with the legal justification for the use of force ... despite U.S. resistance."

Britain's attorney general, Peter Goldsmith, advised the group that "the desire for regime change was not a legal base for military action" and two of three possible legal bases -- self-defense and humanitarian intervention -- could not be used.

The third was a U.N. Security Council resolution, which Goldsmith said "would be difficult."

Blair thought that "it would make a big difference politically and legally if Saddam refused to allow in the U.N. inspectors."

"If the political context were right, people would support regime change," the memo said.

Later, the memo said, Blair would work to convince Bush that they should pursue the ultimatum with Saddam even though "many in the U.S. did not think it worth going down the ultimatum route."


http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/11/britain.war.memo/index.html
shah269
I saw this on CNN!
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/11/britain.war.memo/index.html
but i highly doubt that it will go any place
this is dead in the water issue.
no back bone to support it and no will in the democratic party to fight.
oh well
so they sit and get fat and kiss ass while people die!
now thats what i call a good polotical party!
the new name for the democratic party should be the know nothing party? or maybe the batered wife party! or even better! the do nothing know notihng slug party!
Cali Dem
QUOTE(shah269 @ May 12 2005, 07:38 AM)
I saw this on CNN!
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/11/britain.war.memo/index.html
but i highly doubt that it will go any place
this is dead in the water issue.
no back bone to support it and no will in the democratic party to fight.
oh well
so they sit and get fat and kiss ass while people die!
now thats what i call a good polotical party!
the new name for the democratic party should be the know nothing party? or maybe the batered wife party! or even better! the do nothing know notihng slug party!
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Shah, may I respectfully ask what you're going to do about it? Did your US Rep sign Mr. Conyers letter? Have you contacted your state senators?

I don't think passivity is the problem with Democratic Party leaders. We are too cynical & passive ourselves sometimes. We have to expect things to happen. We have to push.
alyce
Do everything you can do to keep this topic on front burner, this is impeachable material. Write to your senators and reps on this.
MrJim
QUOTE
You're in Canada, right? Have you seen anything about this in Candian press? If you find something, will you post it here?


Not a single word in any media in Canada yet. We used to get the BBC news, but that was with our "introductory" cable TV offer. Three months later, they cut half our channels.

I don't care as long as I can get channels that carry "Law and Order".
shah269
QUOTE(Cali Dem @ May 12 2005, 09:00 AM)
Shah, may I respectfully ask what you're going to do about it? Did your US Rep sign Mr. Conyers letter? Have you contacted your state senators?

I don't think passivity is the problem with Democratic Party leaders. We are too cynical & passive ourselves sometimes. We have to expect things to happen. We have to push.
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well i'm new to NJ so i wrote to my old democratic leader from ny.
I think some of you may know her!
well wrote a little note via email and got back a nice little not saying
"yes we are looking into the problem"
man and i voted for her when i use to live in NY!
maybe i should contact my NJ rep!
but doubt that this will go any further.
you see they won't stand up
they are affraid of being called anti troops anti freedom bla bla bla
you get the picture.
the only way they will stand up is if we shame them to stand up!
because they know and we know that we are going to vote for them.
all we can do is shame them into acting
Brookie
QUOTE(shah269 @ May 12 2005, 03:48 PM)
well i'm new to NJ so i wrote to my old democratic leader from ny.
I think some of you may know her!
well wrote a little note via email and got back a nice little not saying
"yes we are looking into the problem"
man and i voted for her when i use to live in NY!
maybe i should contact my NJ rep!
but doubt that this will go any further.
you see they won't stand up
they are affraid of being called anti troops anti freedom bla bla bla
you get the picture.
the only way they will stand up is if we shame them to stand up!
because they know and we know that we are going to vote for them.
all we can do is shame them into acting
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It may be that the foreign press will be more forthcoming than our own.
searchingforsanity
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/wo...ack=3&cset=true

QUOTE
May 12, 2005

THE WORLD
Indignation Grows in U.S. Over British Prewar Documents

Critics of Bush call them proof that he and Blair never saw diplomacy as an option with Hussein.


By John Daniszewski, Times Staff Writer

LONDON — Reports in the British press this month based on documents indicating that President Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair had conditionally agreed by July 2002 to invade Iraq appear to have blown over quickly in Britain.

But in the United States, where the reports at first received scant attention, there has been growing indignation among critics of the Bush White House, who say the documents help prove that the leaders made a secret decision to oust Iraqi President Saddam Hussein nearly a year before launching their attack, shaped intelligence to that aim and never seriously intended to avert the war through diplomacy.

The documents, obtained by Michael Smith, a defense specialist writing for the Sunday Times of London, include a memo of the minutes of a meeting July 23, 2002, between Blair and his intelligence and military chiefs; a briefing paper for that meeting and a Foreign Office legal opinion prepared before an April 2002 summit between Blair and Bush in Texas.

The picture that emerges from the documents is of a British government convinced of the U.S. desire to go to war and Blair's agreement to it, subject to several specific conditions.

Since Smith's report was published May 1, Blair's Downing Street office has not disputed the documents' authenticity. Asked about them Wednesday, a Blair spokesman said the report added nothing significant to the much-investigated record of the lead-up to the war.

"At the end of the day, nobody pushed the diplomatic route harder than the British government…. So the circumstances of this July discussion very quickly became out of date," said the spokesman, who asked not to be identified.

The leaked minutes sum up the July 23 meeting, at which Blair, top security advisors and his attorney general discussed Britain's role in Washington's plan to oust Hussein. The minutes, written by Matthew Rycroft, a foreign policy aide, indicate general thoughts among the participants about how to create a political and legal basis for war. The case for military action at the time was "thin," Foreign Minister Jack Straw was characterized as saying, and Hussein's government posed little threat.

Labeled "secret and strictly personal — U.K. eyes only," the minutes begin with the head of the British intelligence service, MI6, who is identified as "C," saying he had returned from Washington, where there had been a "perceptible shift in attitude. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and [weapons of mass destruction]. But the intelligence and the facts were being fixed around the policy."

Straw agreed that Bush seemed determined to act militarily, although the timing was not certain.

"But the case was thin," the minutes say. "Saddam was not threatening his neighbors, and his WMD capacity was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran."

Straw then proposed to "work up a plan for an ultimatum to Saddam" to permit United Nations weapons inspectors back into Iraq. "This would also help with the legal justification for the use of force," he said, according to the minutes.

Blair said, according to the memo, "that it would make a big difference politically and legally if Saddam refused to allow in the U.N. inspectors."

"If the political context were right, people would support regime change," Blair said. "The two key issues were whether the military plan worked and whether we had the political strategy to give the military plan the space to work."

In addition to the minutes, the Sunday Times report referred to a Cabinet briefing paper that was given to participants before the July 23 meeting. It stated that Blair had already promised Bush cooperation earlier, at the April summit in Texas.

"The U.K. would support military action to bring about regime change," the Sunday Times quoted the briefing as saying.

Excerpts from the paper, which Smith provided to the Los Angeles Times, said Blair had listed conditions for war, including that "efforts had been made to construct a coalition/shape public opinion, the Israel-Palestine crisis was quiescent," and options to "eliminate Iraq's WMD through the U.N. weapons inspectors" had been exhausted.

The briefing paper said the British government should get the U.S. to put its military plans in a "political framework."

"This is particularly important for the U.K. because it is necessary to create the conditions in which we could legally support military action," it says.

In a letter to Bush last week, 89 House Democrats expressed shock over the documents. They asked if the papers were authentic and, if so, whether they proved that the White House had agreed to invade Iraq months before seeking Congress' OK.

"If the disclosure is accurate, it raises troubling new questions regarding the legal justifications for the war as well as the integrity of our own administration," the letter says.

"While the president of the United States was telling the citizens and the Congress that they had no intention to start a war with Iraq, they were working very close with Tony Blair and the British leadership at making this a foregone conclusion," the letter's chief author, Rep. John Conyers Jr. of Michigan, said Wednesday.

If the documents are real, he said, it is "a huge problem" in terms of an abuse of power. He said the White House had not yet responded to the letter.

Both Blair and Bush have denied that a decision on war was made in early 2002. The White House and Downing Street maintain that they were preparing for military operations as an option, but that the option to not attack also remained open until the war began March 20, 2003.

In January 2002, Bush described Iraq as a member of an "axis of evil," but the sustained White House push for Iraqi compliance with U.N. resolutions did not come until September of that year. That month, Bush addressed the U.N. General Assembly to outline a case against Hussein's government, and he sought a bipartisan congressional resolution authorizing the possible use of force.

In November 2002, the U.N. Security Council approved a resolution demanding that Iraq readmit weapons inspectors.

An effort to pass a second resolution expressly authorizing the use of force against Iraq did not succeed.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Times staff writer Paul Richter in Washington contributed to this report.
TheRestofUs
Why didn't the investigation by Lord Hutton reveal this? His report exonerated the Blair Admin of deliberate dishonesty. Has Lord Hutton responded to this memo?
big sky brad
Because the investigation by Lawd Hutton was a whitewash.
Cali Dem
Letter to the Editor (Sac Bee)

Buried Iraq war news
I applaud The Bee for publishing the May 6 article "Bush chose war early, memos says," describing the British memo that clearly shows President Bush committed to war in Iraq eight months prior to invasion, and long before the war was "sold" to the American public. But what were the editors thinking in burying it on page A10?This is proof that the administration manipulated and fabricated evidence used to sway public opinion to favor an action that has resulted in more than 1,500 American dead, more than 10,000 American wounded and approximately 100,000 Iraqi dead. In addition, this unnecessary expedition has shoved the United States to the brink of bankruptcy, and led to extreme legislation that curtails the civil rights of every American citizen.

Maybe we could push this story to Page 9 tomorrow or maybe Page 8 or, here, let's get really crazy: How about the front page?

- Mike Bayless, Sacramento

http://www.sacbee.com/content/opinion/lett...-13701705c.html
Brookie
QUOTE(Cali Dem @ May 12 2005, 09:09 PM)
Letter to the Editor (Sac Bee)

Buried Iraq war news
I applaud The Bee for publishing the May 6 article "Bush chose war early, memos says," describing the British memo that clearly shows President Bush committed to war in Iraq eight months prior to invasion, and long before the war was "sold" to the American public. But what were the editors thinking in burying it on page A10?This is proof that the administration manipulated and fabricated evidence used to sway public opinion to favor an action that has resulted in more than 1,500 American dead, more than 10,000 American wounded and approximately 100,000 Iraqi dead. In addition, this unnecessary expedition has shoved the United States to the brink of bankruptcy, and led to extreme legislation that curtails the civil rights of every American citizen.

Maybe we could push this story to Page 9 tomorrow or maybe Page 8 or, here, let's get really crazy: How about the front page?

- Mike Bayless, Sacramento

http://www.sacbee.com/content/opinion/lett...-13701705c.html
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Brookie
QUOTE(Cali Dem @ May 12 2005, 09:09 PM)
Letter to the Editor (Sac Bee)

Buried Iraq war news
I applaud The Bee for publishing the May 6 article "Bush chose war early, memos says," describing the British memo that clearly shows President Bush committed to war in Iraq eight months prior to invasion, and long before the war was "sold" to the American public. But what were the editors thinking in burying it on page A10?This is proof that the administration manipulated and fabricated evidence used to sway public opinion to favor an action that has resulted in more than 1,500 American dead, more than 10,000 American wounded and approximately 100,000 Iraqi dead. In addition, this unnecessary expedition has shoved the United States to the brink of bankruptcy, and led to extreme legislation that curtails the civil rights of every American citizen.

Maybe we could push this story to Page 9 tomorrow or maybe Page 8 or, here, let's get really crazy: How about the front page?

- Mike Bayless, Sacramento

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www.sacbee.com/content/opinion/lett...-13701705c.html://http://
www.sacbee.com/content...-13701705c.html://http://
www.sacbee.com/content/opin...-13701705c.html://http://
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The LA Times story has made it to the back pages of the Boston Globe on page A-16.

I don't think it made it to the online version
Cali Dem
QUOTE(Brookie @ May 13 2005, 07:13 AM)
The LA Times story has made it to the back pages of the Boston Globe on page A-16.

I don't think it  made it to the online version
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Ready to write a similar LTE? Do you live in the Boston area?
wliberty
It was just brought up on Crossfire. It was mentioned, it finally made it to the Washington Post on doh.gif page 8.
wliberty
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...1201857_pf.html

tongue.gif I found it. It's on page 18. I found it on the most emailed list.

British Intelligence Warned of Iraq War
Blair Was Told of White House's Determination to Use Military Against Hussein

By Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 13, 2005; A18



Seven months before the invasion of Iraq, the head of British foreign intelligence reported to Prime Minister Tony Blair that President Bush wanted to topple Saddam Hussein by military action and warned that in Washington intelligence was "being fixed around the policy," according to notes of a July 23, 2002, meeting with Blair at No. 10 Downing Street.

"Military action was now seen as inevitable," said the notes, summarizing a report by Richard Dearlove, then head of MI6, British intelligence, who had just returned from consultations in Washington along with other senior British officials. Dearlove went on, "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD [weapons of mass destruction]. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."

"The case was thin," summarized the notes taken by a British national security aide at the meeting. "Saddam was not threatening his neighbours and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran."

The notes were first disclosed last week by the Sunday Times of London, triggering criticism of Blair on the eve of the May 5 British parliamentary elections that he had decided to support an invasion of Iraq well before informing the public of his views.

The notes of the Blair meeting, attended by the prime minister's senior national security team, also disclose for the first time that Britain's intelligence boss believed that Bush had decided to go to war in mid-2002, and that he believed U.S. policymakers were trying to use the limited intelligence they had to make the Iraqi leader appear to be a bigger threat than was supported by known facts.

Although critics of the Iraq war have accused Bush and his top aides of misusing what has since been shown as limited intelligence in the prewar period, Bush's critics have been unsuccessful in getting an investigation of that matter.

The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence has dropped its previous plan to review how U.S. policymakers used Iraq intelligence, and the president's commission on intelligence did not look into the subject because it was not authorized to do so by its charter, Laurence H. Silberman, the co-chairman, told reporters last month.

The British Butler Commission, which last year reviewed that country's intelligence performance on Iraq, also studied how that material was used by the Blair government. The panel concluded that Blair's speeches and a published dossier on Iraq used language that left "the impression that there was fuller and firmer intelligence than was the case," according to the Butler report.

It described the July 23 meeting as coming at a "key stage" in preparation for taking action against Iraq but described it primarily as a session at which Blair favored reengagement of U.N. inspectors against a background of intelligence that Hussein would not accept them unless "the threat of military action were real."

During the July 2002 time frame, Bush was working to build support in the United States for a war against Hussein, while a U.S. base in Qatar was being expanded and Deputy Defense Secretary Paul D. Wolfowitz was trying to get Turkey to assist in potential military action against the Iraqi leader.

A spokesman for the British Embassy in Washington said he would not comment on the substance of the document.

Blair's senior advisers at the July 2002 session decided they would prepare an "ultimatum" for Iraq to permit U.N. inspectors to return, despite being told that Bush's National Security Council, then headed by Condoleezza Rice, "had no patience with the U.N. route," according to the notes. "The prime minister said that it would make a big difference politically and legally if Saddam refused to allow in the U.N. inspectors."

Although Dearlove reported that the NSC had "no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record," the Blair team soon set in motion preparation of the public dossier on Iraq, which was published in late September 2002.

Another piece of the British memo has relevance now, as the United States battles an insurgency that some say was exacerbated by faulty planning for the post-invasion period. "There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action," the notes say, without attributing that directly to Dearlove.

The "U.S. has already begun 'spikes of activity' to put pressure on the regime," the British defense secretary reported, according to the notes. Although no final decision had been made, "he thought the most likely timing in U.S. minds for military action to begin was January, with the timeline beginning 30 days before the U.S. congressional elections."

As it finally worked out, the Bush administration's public campaign for supporting a possible invasion of Iraq began the next month, in late August, with speeches by Vice President Cheney, followed by a late October vote in Congress to grant the president authority to use force if necessary. Later in October, the British and the Americans introduced their resolution on Iraq in the U.N. Security Council and it passed in early November, shortly after the Nov. 2 elections.

© 2005 The Washington Post Company
shah269
thats right america push it back to the back of the paper!
if no one sees is and no one reads it, it never happend!
and our boy kind will be free of such thoughts of going to jail
and having his name thrashed in the history books along with his dady's name and nixon!
JasonATexan
http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=ce51393d0458f443

Startling revelations over possible UK-U.S. conspiracy

The U.S. and British governments have been startled by the publication of minutes of a meeting involving the highest levels of government in the U.K. which revealed the two countries were engaged in a virtual conspiracy.

The meeting took place on July 23 2002 and was attended among others by the British Prime Minister Tony Blair, Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, Defence Secretary Geoff Hoon, MI6 chief Richard Dearlove, and Attorney General Lord Peter Goldsmith.

According to minutes taken by Matthew Rycroft, of the foreign ministry, the attendees of the meeting were briefed on talks between the two governments in Washington where the Bush administration outlined an objective of removing Saddam Hussein, despite him not being a threat nor of having an advanced WMD capability. The British officials were told the U.S. would go to war on the basis of the war on terrorism and WMD, and that the intelligence and facts were "being fixed."

The highly sensitive document was circulated after the meeting to those in attendance with a remark at the top saying 'This record is extremely sensitive. No further copies should be made. It should be shown only to those with a genuine need to know its contents.'

The minutes revealed the NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action, the minutes also disclosed.

The U.S. saw war as inevitable with the main task coming up with the justification. The Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told the UK delegation the US had already begun "spikes of activity" to put pressure on the regime.

The meeting discussed working up an ultimatum to Saddam to let the UN weapons inspectors back in to help with "the legal justification for the use of force." Prime Minister Blair said at the meeting it would make a big difference politically and legally if Saddam refused to allow in the UN inspectors. Regime change and WMD were linked in the sense that it was the regime that was producing the WMD. If the political context were right, people would support regime change, the minutes said.

The damning document points to the highest levels of two governments conspiring to launch an invasion on a sovereign country without any basis and conspiring to "fix" a case that would justify it.

Surprisingly the leaking of the document last week has seen little to no media coverage. A story on it covered the front page of The Times of London on May 1st. There has been no denial of the authenticity of the contents of the document yet there has been a virtual moratorium on media coverage since it became public knowledge.

This has not stopped members of the U.S. Congress who wrote last week to President Bush seeking an explanation on a number of issues covered at the British meeting. Among these was the claim that "intelligence and facts were being fixed." The 89 Democrats who were signatories to the letter also wanted to know how Bush was inevitably going to go to war and yet at the time had not asked Congress for approval. Rep. John Conyers, ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee, told CNN the memo "raises troubling new questions regarding the legal justifications for the war as well as the integrity of your own administration..."

"While various individuals have asserted this to be the case before, including Paul O'Neill, former U.S. Treasury Secretary, and Richard Clarke, a former National Security Council official, they have been previously dismissed by your administration," the letter said.

But, the letter said, when the document was leaked Prime Minister Tony Blair's spokesman called it "nothing new."

Perhaps the Congress should also write to the Silberman-Robb Commission which reported last month on WMD intelligence before the war, saying, "After a thorough review, the Commission found no indication that the Intelligence Community distorted the evidence regarding Iraq's weapons."

Perhaps it should write too to the proprietors and editors of major U.S. news media to enquire as to whether coverage of certain events is being "fixed around the policy."

In the interests of full disclosure see below the document referred to in this story, in its entirety:
Brookie
QUOTE(Cali Dem @ May 13 2005, 04:17 PM)
Ready to write a similar LTE? Do you live in the Boston area?
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That's challenging for me. I do live in the Boston area, but like to keep a low profile because of work. I will probably start with a letter to the Globe ombudsmen and my senators/reps. Then I'll give it a week and see after that.
Cali Dem
QUOTE(wliberty @ May 13 2005, 04:37 PM)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...1201857_pf.html

tongue.gif I found it. It's on page 18. I found it on the most emailed list.

British Intelligence Warned of Iraq War
Blair Was Told of White House's Determination to Use Military Against Hussein

By Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 13, 2005; A18
Seven months before the invasion of Iraq, the head of British foreign intelligence reported to Prime Minister Tony Blair that President Bush wanted to topple Saddam Hussein by military action and warned that in Washington intelligence was "being fixed around the policy," according to notes of a July 23, 2002, meeting with Blair at No. 10 Downing Street.

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WTG!

So, we have a delay in reporting and then it's buried in the newspaper's hinterlands. This stinks.

Here's a blog post about the Wa Po article:


Better Late Than Never

In a well-reported but poorly headlined article buried on page A18, Walter Pincus writes about the Downing Street Memo in today's Washington Post. To the uninitiated, this memo, from July 23, 2002, reveals that British Intelligence reported to Tony Blair that after meetings in Washington, it was clear Bush had already decided by mid-2002 to a) go to war and cool.gif deceive Congress and the American people to do it.

Yesterday, I wrote about how this revelation, combined with the evidence collected in the Bolton investigation, will force Democrats to abandon the Bush-approved narrative of "intelligence failure" and shift to the narrative of pre-meditated intelligence fabrication.

Will the Washington Post live up to its Watergate standards? The circumstantial evidence so far is not good. First, Bob Woodward, who is now a senior editor at the Post, has a lot of access to lose if he shifts from court chronicler to court nemesis. Second, the Post already sat on the story for 12 days, waiting until CNN ran the story (yesterday) and Bolton's nomination passed out of committee. Of course, this is a huge story, the kind that makes careers.

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20050513/..._than_never.php
underbear1
this just proves you can't lie to and fool ALL the people ALL the time, there aren't ANY MEMOS, or ANY OTHER MATERIAL (anywhere on the globe) that will stay secret, indefinitely . To damn bad this wasn't exposed before November, maybe we wouldn't be stuck with this lying pig for another 4 years anger.gif anger.gif

*I think of Whoopi's one woman show and this tune plays in my head,
"Every move you make
every vow you break.........I'll be watching You.....GEORGE!'

just a side note that Al Franken was hilarious on Bill Maher's Real Time tonight, he looked incredulous at the camera, and said I can't understand how Jeff Gannon can be compared to Monica Lewinski, that would mean someone in the white House was.........it just doesn't make any sense haha.gif He also mentioned a "scandal" involving Santorum then repeatedly said,,,,,,,,,,,no I can't talk about that, but mentioned a man and a dog roflmbo.gif roflmbo.gif
theglobalchinese
450 feared killed in Uzbek clashes CNN
theglobalchinese
450 feared killed in Uzbek clashes CNN
Cali Dem
http://www.tomdispatch.com/

Tomgram: Mark Danner on the British Smoking-Gun Memo

In its June 9 issue (on sale this week), the New York Review of Books will be the first American print publication to publish the full British "smoking gun" document, the secret memorandum of the minutes of a meeting of Tony Blair's top advisors in July 2002, eight months before the Iraq War commenced. Leaked to the London Sunday Times, which first published it on May 1, the memo offers irrefutable proof of the way in which the Bush administration made its decision to invade Iraq -- without significant consultation, reasonable intelligence on Iraq, or any desire to explore ways to avoid war -- and well before seeking a Congressional or United Nations mandate of any sort.

By July, as the British officials reported, the decision to invade was already in the bag. The only real questions -- other than those involving war planning -- were how to organize the intelligence in such a way as to promote the war to come and how to finesse Congress (and the UN). While people often speak of the "road to war," in the case of the invasion of Iraq, as this document makes clear, a more accurate phrase might be "the bum's rush to war." The Review is also publishing an accompanying piece on the secret memo and what to make of it by their regular Iraq correspondent, Mark Danner, and its editors have been kind enough to allow Tomdispatch to distribute the piece early on-line.

That the Review is the first publication here to print the document is not only an honorable (and important) act, but a measure of the failure of major American papers to offer attention where it is clearly due. After all, whole government investigations have, in the past, gone in search of "smoking guns." In fact, the Bush administration spent much time searching fruitlessly for its own "smoking gun" of WMD in Iraq -- and this process was considered of front-page importance in our major papers and on the TV news. That a "smoking gun" document about the nature of the war in the making has appeared in this fashion, not in Kyrgyzstan but in England; that no one in the British or American governments has even bothered to dispute its provenance or accuracy; and that, with a few honorable exceptions like columnist Molly Ivins, that gun was allowed to lie on the ground smoking for days, hardly commented upon (except on the political internet, of course), tells us much about our present moment. Should you want to consider the miserable coverage in this country, check out FAIR's commentary on the matter.

Congressman John Conyers has just sent a letter, signed by eighty-nine Democratic congressional representatives, to the President demanding some answers to the document's revelations. And articles by good reporters in major papers finally did start to appear late this week -- but those of John Daniszewski at the Los Angeles Times and Walter Pincus at the Washington Post were typically tucked away on inside pages (meant for political news jockeys), and they had a distinctly just-the-facts-maam, nothing-out-of-the-ordinary feel to them.

But shouldn't it be a front-page story that, as Danner points out below, all the subsequent arguments we've had to endure about the state of, and accuracy of American intelligence on Iraq, were actually beside the point? After all, as the smoking-gun memo makes perfectly clear, the decision to go to war was made before the intelligence -- good, bad, or indifferent -- was even seriously put into play. As the secret memo also makes clear, administration officials, and the President himself, had already rolled the dice and placed their bet -- on the existence of WMD in Iraq as an excuse for the war they so desperately wanted. (Their Iraqi exile sources had, of course, assured them that it was so and, as the Brits reported in July 2002, they were already wondering, "For instance, what were the consequences, if Saddam used WMD on day one [of an invasion].") After all, it seemed so logical. Saddam had used such weapons in the 1980s in the Iran-Iraq War and against Kurds in Iraq. American troops and UN inspectors had found such weaponry in profusion after our first Gulf War. So why not now as well?

Recently, Ted Rall, considering press response to a more modest smoking-gun incident -- the covered up friendly-fire death of former NFL star Pat Tillman in Afghanistan whose revelation was reported rather reluctantly on the inside pages of papers -- wrote tellingly: "For journalists supposedly dedicated to uncovering the truth and informing the public, this is exactly the opposite of how things ought to be. Corrections and exposés should always run bigger, longer and more often than initial, discredited stories." Dream on, as we smoking-gunsters like to say.

The least commented upon aspect of the smoking-gun memo has been its military side. It is, in significant part, a military document, reflecting how much serious thinking and planning at the highest levels in the U.S. and Britain had already gone into the question of how to have a war by July 2002. The question of how technically to launch the "military action" -- whether by a "generated start" or a "running start" -- was, for instance, front and center. Also addressed was the mundane but crucial issue (for the Pentagon) of where, around Iraq, to base forces. "The US," reads the memo, "saw the UK (and Kuwait) as essential, with basing in Diego Garcia and Cyprus critical for either [the generated or running start] option." Diego Garcia is the British-controlled Indian Ocean Island that was already a stationary American "aircraft carrier" and from which, 8 months later, B-2s would fly on Baghdad.
theglobalchinese
Straw at odds with US over brutality of terror war ally Telegraph.co.uk
theglobalchinese
Straw at odds with US over brutality of terror war ally Telegraph.co.uk
Beamer
It's now in the NY Times. Krugman writes:

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May 16, 2005
Staying What Course?
By PAUL KRUGMAN

Is there any point, now that November's election is behind us, in revisiting the history of the Iraq war? Yes: any path out of the quagmire will be blocked by people who call their opponents weak on national security, and portray themselves as tough guys who will keep America safe. So it's important to understand how the tough guys made America weak.

There has been notably little U.S. coverage of the "Downing Street memo" - actually the minutes of a British prime minister's meeting on July 23, 2002, during which officials reported on talks with the Bush administration about Iraq. But the memo, which was leaked to The Times of London during the British election campaign, confirms what apologists for the war have always denied: the Bush administration cooked up a case for a war it wanted.

Here's a sample: "Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and W.M.D. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."

(You can read the whole thing at www.downingstreetmemo.com.)

Why did the administration want to invade Iraq, when, as the memo noted, "the case was thin" and Saddam's "W.M.D. capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea, or Iran"? Iraq was perceived as a soft target; a quick victory there, its domestic political advantages aside, could serve as a demonstration of American military might, one that would shock and awe the world.

But the Iraq war has, instead, demonstrated the limits of American power, and emboldened our potential enemies. Why should Kim Jong Il fear us, when we can't even secure the road from Baghdad to the airport?

At this point, the echoes of Vietnam are unmistakable. Reports from the recent offensive near the Syrian border sound just like those from a 1960's search-and-destroy mission, body count and all. Stories filed by reporters actually with the troops suggest that the insurgents, forewarned, mostly melted away, accepting battle only where and when they chose.

Meanwhile, America's strategic position is steadily deteriorating.

Next year, reports Jane's Defense Industry, the United States will spend as much on defense as the rest of the world combined. Yet the Pentagon now admits that our military is having severe trouble attracting recruits, and would have difficulty dealing with potential foes - those that, unlike Saddam's Iraq, might pose a real threat.

In other words, the people who got us into Iraq have done exactly what they falsely accused Bill Clinton of doing: they have stripped America of its capacity to respond to real threats.

So what's the plan?

The people who sold us this war continue to insist that success is just around the corner, and that things would be fine if the media would just stop reporting bad news. But the administration has declared victory in Iraq at least four times. January's election, it seems, was yet another turning point that wasn't.

Yet it's very hard to discuss getting out. Even most of those who vehemently opposed the war say that we have to stay on in Iraq now that we're there.

In effect, America has been taken hostage. Nobody wants to take responsibility for the terrible scenes that will surely unfold if we leave (even though terrible scenes are unfolding while we're there). Nobody wants to tell the grieving parents of American soldiers that their children died in vain. And nobody wants to be accused, by an administration always ready to impugn other people's patriotism, of stabbing the troops in the back.

But the American military isn't just bogged down in Iraq; it's deteriorating under the strain. We may already be in real danger: what threats, exactly, can we make against the North Koreans? That John Bolton will yell at them? And every year that the war goes on, our military gets weaker.

So we need to get beyond the clichés - please, no more "pottery barn principles" or "staying the course." I'm not advocating an immediate pullout, but we have to tell the Iraqi government that our stay is time-limited, and that it has to find a way to take care of itself. The point is that something has to give. We either need a much bigger army - which means a draft - or we need to find a way out of Iraq.

E-mail: krugman@nytimes.com
Beamer
Why are the Democrats silent on this issue? Snuffysmith posted this in another topic, which people could read if they would get their a*ses out of Online Cafe!


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The Democrats have No Clothes: 'Leaders' Silent on The British Memo :

Both parties in Congress are pretending the revelations from The Memo are not that significant, when in fact this information is THE SMOKING GUN! Planning this war in 2002 then lying to us about it is worthy of immediate impeachment.
http://benfrank.net/nuke/modules.php?name=...article&sid=317

http://snipurl.com/eww6
Cali Dem
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...it's important to understand how the tough guys made America weak. - PK


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Next year, reports Jane's Defense Industry, the United States will spend as much on defense as the rest of the world combined. Yet the Pentagon now admits that our military is having severe trouble attracting recruits, and would have difficulty dealing with potential foes - those that, unlike Saddam's Iraq, might pose a real threat.

In other words, the people who got us into Iraq have done exactly what they falsely accused Bill Clinton of doing: they have stripped America of its capacity to respond to real threats. - PK


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But the American military isn't just bogged down in Iraq; it's deteriorating under the strain. We may already be in real danger: what threats, exactly, can we make against the North Koreans? That John Bolton will yell at them? And every year that the war goes on, our military gets weaker. -PK


Interesting that Krugman sees the smoking gun memo as helpful in terms of showing how deeply the problem of the Iraq war runs.
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Cali Dem
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/16/iraq.memo/index.html

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White House challenges UK Iraq memo
May 17, 2005

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Claims in a recently uncovered British memo that intelligence was "being fixed" to support the Iraq war as early as mid-2002 are "flat out wrong," White House press secretary Scott McClellan said Monday.

McClellan insisted the process leading up to the decision to go to war was "very public" -- and that the decision to invade in March 2003 was taken only after Iraq refused to comply with its "international obligations."

"The president of the United States, in a very public way, reached out to people across the world, went to the United Nations and tried to resolve this in a diplomatic manner," McClellan said.

"Saddam Hussein was the one, in the end, who chose continued defiance. And only then was the decision made, as a last resort, to go into Iraq."

However, McClellan also said he had not seen the "specific memo," only reports of what it contained. WTF?!

Earlier this month, the Times of London published the minutes of a meeting of top British officials in mid-2002, including Prime Minister Tony Blair, Bush's staunchest ally in the Iraq war.

According to the minutes cited by the Times, a British official identified as "C" said that he had returned from a meeting in Washington and that "military action was now seen as inevitable" by U.S. officials.

"Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy," the memo said, according to the newspaper.

The minutes also quoted the unnamed British official as saying the U.S. National Security Council had "no patience" with taking the dispute to the United Nations and "no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record."

"There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action," the official said, according to the minutes published by the Times.

The memo also quoted British Defense Secretary Geoff Hoon as saying that the final push to war would likely begin a month before the U.S. congressional elections in November 2002, with an actual attack coming in January 2003.

President Bush did begin trying to build public support for military action against Iraq during the mid-term election, which saw Republicans pick up seats in both the House and Senate. The invasion came four months later, in March 2003.

British officials have not disputed the authenticity of the memo published by the Times.

After the minutes of the meeting became public, 89 Democratic members of Congress sent a letter to Bush asking for an explanation.

The memo "raises troubling new questions regarding the legal justifications for the war, as well as the integrity of your administration," the letter said.


And this article can also be found on this thread:

http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/for...showtopic=29388
rox63
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationw...1,5984426.story

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British memo reopens war claim
Leaked briefing says U.S. intelligence facts `fixed' around policy

By Stephen J. Hedges and Mark Silva
Washington Bureau
May 17, 2005

WASHINGTON -- A British official's report that the Bush administration appeared intent on invading Iraq long before it acknowledged as much or sought Congress' approval--and that it "fixed" intelligence to fit its intention--has caused a stir in Britain.

But the potentially explosive revelation has proven to be something of a dud in the United States. The White House has denied the premise of the memo, the American media have reacted slowly to it and the public generally seems indifferent to the issue or unwilling to rehash the bitter prewar debate over the reasons for the war.

All of this has contributed to something less than a robust discussion of a memo that would seem to bolster the strongest assertions of the war's critics.

Frustrated at the lack of attention to the memo, Democrats and war critics are working to make sure it gets a wider hearing, doing everything from writing letters to the White House to launching online petitions.

The memo was written by British national security aide Matthew Rycroft, based on notes he took during a July 2002 meeting of British Prime Minister Tony Blair and his advisers, including Richard Dearlove, the head of Britain's MI-6 intelligence service who had recently met with Bush administration officials.

Since being leaked to a British newspaper, the memo has raised questions anew about whether the Bush administration misrepresented prewar intelligence about suspected weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to justify military action against Saddam Hussein's regime.

"Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD," the memo said. "But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. It seemed clear that Bush had made up his mind to take military action, even if the timing was not yet decided. But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening hi-bility was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran."

Blair's office has not disputed the authenticity of the memo, but the White House categorically denies the assertions in it. And on Capitol Hill, where investigations already have denounced prewar intelligence about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq as "deeply flawed," there appears to be little appetite for reopening the question of why the U.S. went to war.

"I suppose it hasn't played there because, basically, didn't everyone know that Bush decided early on to get rid of Saddam?" asked Philip Stephens, a Blair biographer and associate editor of the Financial Times of London.

Stephens argues that there was a basic difference in the argument over the invasion of Iraq in Britain and the U.S.

"The contexts of the debates have always been different," Stephens said. "There was never really a question [in the U.S.] about whether it was justified or not to go for regime change. This was the administration's objective. People either agreed with it or disagreed with it. There really wasn't a disagreement about the legal basis for it."

Dubbed "the Downing Street Memo," the report of the July 23, 2002, meeting of Blair and his aides purported to recount the Bush administration's approach to Iraq at that point. The memo asserted that Bush had decided to remove Hussein nearly eight months before U.S. and British troops invaded Iraq.

Summarizing the view of intelligence chief Dearlove after consulting with U.S. officials, the memo said: "Military action was now seen as inevitable."

Public told another story

At the time, the Bush administration was assuring the public that a decision to go to war had not been made and that Iraq could prevent military action by complying with existing United Nations resolutions that were intended to curtail its chemical, nuclear, biological and missile weapons programs.

The memo was divulged earlier this month by the Sunday Times of London, four days before Blair's re-election. It caused a stir in Britain, where the war in Iraq has been deeply unpopular.

In the U.S., however, the account has drawn only passing attention, even in Washington, where the debate over prewar intelligence on Iraq once dogged the White House. No weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq, and Iraqi scientists have told U.S. inspectors that any weapons Iraq did possess were destroyed years ago.

Opponents of the war and administration have launched e-mail campaigns to elevate the issue. One Web site, DowningStreetMemo.com, encourages visitors to sign a petition and "take action." Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.) wrote a letter earlier this month to the White House, signed by 89 House Democrats, that expressed concern about the memo's revelations.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan, asked Monday about the memo's implication that intelligence was being "fixed" on Iraq, said, "The suggestion is just flat-out wrong.

White House's response

"Anyone who wants to know how the intelligence was used only has to go back and read everything that was said in public about the lead-up to the war," said McClellan, noting that Bush was pursuing diplomatic negotiations with Iraq through the United Nations into autumn 2003.

However, a commission appointed by the president to investigate intelligence gathering that led to the invasion concluded that all of the intelligence community's information about the existence of biological or any other weapons of mass destruction was "deeply flawed."

"The intelligence community was absolutely uniform, and uniformly wrong, about the existence of weapons of mass destruction. And they pushed that position," said Judge Laurence Silberman, co-chairman of the commission.

Critics of the Bush administration have long argued that Bush appeared intent on invading Iraq long before Congress voted to authorize military action in October 2002 if Hussein didn't abandon his alleged illegal weapons programs.

Former Sen. Bob Graham of Florida, who was chairman of the Senate Select Intelligence Committee when Democrats ruled, has written in his book, "Intelligence Matters," about his visit to MacDill Air Force Base, home of the U.S. Central Command, on Feb. 19, 2002. He was going for a status report on Afghanistan, Graham wrote, but CENTCOM'S Gen. Tommy Franks called him aside to tell him, "Senator, we are not engaged in a war in Afghanistan."

"Excuse me?"' Graham replied.

"Military and intelligence personnel are being redeployed to prepare for an action in Iraq," Graham quoted Franks as saying.

Graham wrote: "I was stunned. This was the first time I had been informed that the decision to go to war with Iraq had not only been made but was being implemented, to the substantial disadvantage of the war in Afghanistan."
rox63
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0516-32.htm

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The Last Straw: The Press's Failure to Cover the Rycroft Memo
Published on Monday, May 16, 2005 by CommonDreams.org 
by John Atcheson 
 
The press’s wholesale failure to cover the Rycroft memo should be the last straw for anyone concerned about the integrity of journalism. With this latest outrage, it’s time for all of us to play Howard Beall – it’s time to go to our collective national window, raise it, and shout, at the top of our lungs, "We’re mad as hell and we’re not going to take it any more."

There’s no longer room for any debate about whether the press is liberal or conservative. In the end, it doesn’t matter. A media that fails to report the biggest story in half a century is either hopelessly conservative or incompetent, but either way it is irrelevant. It’s time to fire them.

Note to the mainstream media: it does no good to issue periodic mea culpas if you continue to commit the same acts of malfeasance. It does no good to have your public editor or your ombudsman dutifully record your reader’s outrage over your failure to cover the news in your editorial pages, if you do not respond to your reader’s legitimate concerns in the news sections of your newspaper.

Note to editors and publishers who are all atwitter over the latest circulation figures: Here’s an idea for you – if you want to reverse the free-fall in circulation, try reporting the news.

Circulation aside, the press has completely failed to fulfill their responsibility to inform the electorate – the basis for their First Amendment Rights, and a prerequisite for a functioning democracy.

There’s ample proof of this. We all know about the poll by the Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA) which found that some 72% of Bush supporters went to their precincts and voted, believing that Iraq either had WMDs, or a had a major program for developing them, and that 75% of them believed that Iraq provided "substantial support" to al Qaeda, and a large majority believed that’s exactly what the 911 Commission Report found.

The reason Bush supporters didn’t know the facts is because Messrs. Bush and Cheney were allowed by the he-said, she-said press to use verbal sleights of hand, legerdemain and innuendo to mislead voters. Phrases such as "WMD-related programs" and "WMD-related program activities" were tossed around by the administration without being challenged by the press, despite the fact that the 911 Commission and the Duefler Report flatly contradicted the administration’s claims, and despite the fact that both the broadcast media and newspapers had issued mea culpas for failing to be sufficiently skeptical about administration claims in the run up to Iraq.

But a lesser known PIPA poll conducted on September 29th of 2004 showed that this was no isolated failure. Here again, Bush supporters didn’t know that the President held a different position from theirs on a wide variety of key issues that define our role in the global community.

According to the poll, 93% of Bush supporters favored environmental and labor standards in trade agreements, and 84% believed the President shared that view, although he does not. They were similarly misinformed about a number of other treaties the President opposes, including the comprehensive test ban treaty (68% supported it, and 69% believed the President did, too); the International Criminal Court (75% supported it, and 66% believed the President did): the Land Mine Treaty (66% supported it, and 72% thought the President did); and the Kyoto global warming treaty (54% supported it, and 51% believed the President also supported it).

This is prima-facie evidence of failure on the part of the press, if not bias. And while it’s true that Bush supporters were more likely to get their information from the Fox faux-news network, it’s also true that the mainstream media’s spineless he-said, she-said reporting made it easier for Fox’s lies and misrepresentations to stick.

For three years now, the press – with the exception of the Knight Ridder papers and a few others – ignored or gave short shrift to readily available and credible evidence that the Bush administration lied to us about their reasons for going to war. Now, we have a memo which resolves whatever doubt there could be about the administration’s honesty.

Seldom, if ever, has such concrete proof of such vile perfidy been dumped in the laps of the press, and seldom in our history has the press reacted so cravenly.

The news media is unwilling to hold the President accountable, but we can and must hold the press accountable.

Deception is costly. What we don't know can hurt us. Iraq has broken the back of the all-volunteer army. It has kept us from securing the homeland and safeguarding lose nuclear material abroad. It has multiplied the number of Muslims who hate America -- the recruiting base for al Qaeda -- by several orders of magnitude. It has squandered America's prestige and credibility. It has left us helpless to deal with real problems like Iran and North Korea.

It’s time for a national boycott against newspapers who are content to ignore outrageous lies, and seem to believe an occasional mea culpa will make up for it. It’s time to write those who advertise and underwrite the likes of O’Reilly, Scarborough, Limbaugh, the Washington Times and the rest of the later day Pravda imitators and tell them, "It’s your right to advertise where you want, but as long as you underwrite lies and the lying liars who tell them, we’re not buying your stuff."

After all, as President Bush himself once said, "Fool me once, shame on you ... fool me twice ...uhhh... you can’t get fooled again."

Let’s do our part to make him right for once.

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John Atcheson has written extensively on politics and policy and his writing has appeared in the Washington Post, The Baltimore Sun, The San Jose Mercury News, The Memphis Commercial Appeal and several other papers, as well as various wonk journals. He has over 30 years experience in government and with the nation's premier think tanks.
Cali Dem
QUOTE(rox63 @ May 17 2005, 11:16 AM)


I'm heartened by this article. This thing is just percolating along - when will it come to a boil? Especially interesting are the concluding paragraphs re: Bob Graham.
Cali Dem
There is a growing "Impeach Bush" movement stemming from the 'smoking gun' memo that is nicely summarized by Xicanopwr on this thread:

http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/for...showtopic=29393
Cali Dem
QUOTE(rox63 @ May 17 2005, 11:21 AM)


Note to Rox - Good one!
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