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XicanoPwr
I got this email. Don't you think this is going to far?
What makes them different, it still going to brokers who do not have the Christian faith.

Are they not accepting non-Christian people?
tazvil04
No, I don't think the Chrisitan movement is going far enough and I believe this is the problem.

I do not believe the Christians in America are being sensitive to the teachings of their faiths and the Bible - sensitive enough to reflect - and differentiate between the Bush Administration's wrods and the Bush Administration's actions.

The evangelicals and Chrisitans are credited with providing George W. Bush with a victory in the 2004 election.

To some extent, this is true.

However, they are not being true to their faith when they elect a man who is hypocritical and someone who ignores many of the Bible's teachings in practice.

Bush rejected even having a meeting with religious leaders from his own faith who opposed the Iraq war.

Bush ignores the 3,000 passages of the Bible which demand that you assist the poor.

What about forgiveness in the Bible - when has Bush ever forgiven anyone for anything...he should have forgiven Saddam if he was a real Christian for what he did to his father - instead he was obsessed...

It is time for Chrisitans to demand accountability from their president.

Talk is cheap - and the value of Bush's rhetoric is declining as a precipitous pace.

If Christians would only reflect and demand accountability then Bush would really be taken to task - and the leaders of the Chistian Coalition and other groups would be shown up for what they are - political hacks - and pawns of the Republican Party - which in recent times is anything but a Chrisitan organization.
CrowNotAngelGRL
They probably won't and if you aren't they'll try converting you. Forget freewill. That doesn't matter anymore. Even though God and Jesus both have said in the Bible it's important thing to have. Oops. <_<
CrowNotAngelGRL
You're right. I'm Christian and in my church all except my brother, mother and I (that I know of) are very pro-Bush. They just love him because he "shares their values." I guess they share stealing, lying, murder, poverty. rolleyes.gif I know next time I come up with one of them there and they say how they hate homosexuality and abortion sometime I'm going to ask them if they like these other things.

Stealing- 2000 and 2004 elections

Lying- Iraq war

Murder- All the military men/women and Iraqi children and all those in Abu Grab and Gutanamo

Poverty- More people are without jobs in Bush's administration then Clinton. Jobs are still going over seas.

QUOTE(tazvil04 @ Feb 22 2005, 10:19 AM)
No, I don't think the Chrisitan movement is going far enough and I believe this is the problem.

I do not believe the Christians in America are being sensitive to the teachings of their faiths and the Bible - sensitive enough to reflect - and differentiate between the Bush Administration's wrods and the Bush Administration's actions.

The evangelicals and Chrisitans are credited with providing George W. Bush with a victory in the 2004 election.

To some extent, this is true.

However, they are not being true to their faith when they elect a man who is hypocritical and someone who ignores many of the Bible's teachings in practice.

Bush rejected even having a meeting with religious leaders from his own faith who opposed the Iraq war.

Bush ignores the 3,000 passages of the Bible which demand that you assist the poor.

What about forgiveness in the Bible - when has Bush ever forgiven anyone for anything...he should have forgiven Saddam if he was a real Christian for what he did to his father - instead he was obsessed...

It is time for Chrisitans to demand accountability from their president.

Talk is cheap - and the value of Bush's rhetoric is declining as a precipitous pace.

If Christians would only reflect and demand accountability then Bush would really be taken to task - and the leaders of the Chistian Coalition and other groups would be shown up for what they are - political hacks - and pawns of the Republican Party - which in recent times is anything but a Chrisitan organization.
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wileycoyote
Can you imagine what Jesus would have to say about that ad? We all know that whenever a mortgage company lends money it is done with the hope that you will sooner or later not be able to pay and they will take away your home, even if it puts you out in the street. I guess these guys, as they are pushing you out the door, say "God bless you".
Arneoker
QUOTE(wileycoyote @ Feb 22 2005, 12:04 PM)
Can you imagine what Jesus would have to say about that ad?  We all know that whenever a mortgage company lends money it is done with the hope that you will sooner or later not be able to pay and they will take away your home, even if it puts you out in the street. I guess these guys, as they are pushing you out the door, say "God bless you".
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I don't think that mortgage companies typically lend money out of the goodness of their hearts but are they normally this malicious? I don't know much about the business, I don't know how much they typically recover on a foreclosure, but I think that they normally count on their customers paying and making their money on the interest rate they charge.

The ad is rather strange. You are supposed to feel a warm fuzzy dealing with Christians, yet you may be referred to non-Christians. As a Christian I simply want to deal with honest businesses who offer a good product or service at a good price. Rather than trumpeting themselves as Christians shouldn't Christian businesspeople simply strive to be honest and fair in their dealings?
tazvil04
QUOTE(CrowNotAngelGRL @ Feb 22 2005, 09:22 AM)
You're right. I'm Christian and in my church all except my brother, mother and I (that I know of) are very pro-Bush.  They just love him because he "shares their values."  I guess they share stealing, lying, murder, poverty.  rolleyes.gif  I know next time I come up with one of them there and they say how they hate homosexuality and abortion sometime I'm going to ask them if they like these other things. 

Stealing- 2000 and 2004 elections

Lying- Iraq war

Murder-  All the military men/women and Iraqi children and all those in Abu Grab and Gutanamo

Poverty- More people are without jobs in Bush's administration then Clinton.  Jobs are still going over seas.
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Exactly right. Christians need to be incensed.

The Republicans - as they do with every issue - pick their passages of the Bible - but ignore what is emphasized repeatedly in the Bible - and act like they are Christians - but it is not up to the Republicans to change - because they are using Christians and reaping benefits - why would they change - it is up to Christians to get with the program and stand up and demand a responsible government more reflective of what the Bible really says - not just in one passage - but in its entire text.

QUOTE(wileycoyote @ Feb 22 2005, 09:34 AM)
Can you imagine what Jesus would have to say about that ad?  We all know that whenever a mortgage company lends money it is done with the hope that you will sooner or later not be able to pay and they will take away your home, even if it puts you out in the street.  I guess these guys, as they are pushing you out the door, say "God bless you".
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I think Jesus would have been convlusing with anger over such efforts.

To quote from Jesus Christ Superstar...

(Jesus)
My temple should be a house of prayer
But you have made it a den of thieves
Get up, get out
Arneoker
QUOTE(tazvil04 @ Feb 22 2005, 12:13 PM)
Exactly right. Christians need to be incensed.

To quote from Jesus Christ Superstar...

(Jesus)
My temple should be a house of prayer
But you have made it a den of thieves
Get up, get out

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What should we be incensed about? In my mind the manipulation being perpetrated by professed "Christians."
marc-the-democrat
does this apply: "Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain."
tazvil04
QUOTE(Arneoker @ Feb 22 2005, 09:46 AM)
What should we be incensed about?  In my mind the manipulation being perpetrated by professed "Christians."
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Exactly - and wouldn't you as a Christian be incensed at being duped by faux Christians to support their beliefs...

I mean - we wouldn't because we haven't been duped obviosuly - but the millions that have...

That have voted for Bush because they believe he's pro-Life - when his policies increase the abortion rate - when he does nothing accept offer a veiled promise through the interest groups who support him that he'll change abortion - but he will not offer any money at all to address the root of the problem which causes people to have abortions...

The fact that he ignores and even perrpetuates poverty with his policies...

The fact that he uses hate and intolerance and fear - to mobilize people - all things which the Bible preaches against - especially fear - we are to trust in God - and have no fear - but not according to the Bushies...

Shouldn't the evangelivals who supported Bush be incensed if not at Bush's deception - at their falling for the deception? cool.gif
pennsylvaniagal
I believe mortgage lending is regulated by the federal government and state law - a Christian organization can't honestly hand you off to another "Christian" mortgage lender and exclude you from better deals offered by "non-Christians". That would be discrimination and restraint of trade.

The head of a mortgage organization might be a Christian, but lending is lending, foreclosure is forclosure, and you certainly won't get a discount because of your religious persuasion. It's all bottom line. Caveat Emptor. cool.gif
cladist
QUOTE(XicanoPwr @ Feb 22 2005, 08:41 AM)
I got this email. Don't you think this is going to far?
What makes them different, it still going to brokers who do not have the Christian faith.

Are they not accepting non-Christian people?
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They don't just pray on their knees, they prey on each other.

I guess that works better spoken than written. rolleyes.gif
Arneoker
QUOTE(pennsylvaniagal @ Feb 22 2005, 12:39 PM)
The head of a mortgage organization might be a Christian, but lending is lending, foreclosure is forclosure, and you certainly won't get a discount because of your religious persuasion.  It's all bottom line. Caveat Emptor. cool.gif
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Right, and to imply differently is dishonest and most unChristian.
tazvil04
QUOTE(pennsylvaniagal @ Feb 22 2005, 10:09 AM)
I believe mortgage lending is regulated by the federal government and state law - a Christian organization can't honestly hand you off to another "Christian" mortgage lender and exclude you from better deals offered by "non-Christians". That would be discrimination and restraint of trade.

The head of a mortgage organization might be a Christian, but lending is lending, foreclosure is forclosure, and you certainly won't get a discount because of your religious persuasion.   It's all bottom line.  Caveat Emptor. cool.gif
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Doesn't the Bible warn us about incurring debt? cool.gif

Just kididng - i know mortgages are OK at least in most Christian religions...
bigtom
Throw the moneychangers out!!!

I am a believer myself, but when a client gives me a check with a fish symbol on it I call thier bank before starting the work!

Its a shame......
tazvil04
It is a shame.

I think the biggest shame is how the Republican Party is allowed to go around as the holier than thou party when they are the biggest hypocrits of any group out there.

This is what I hope Howard Dean will do with the DNC - attack the Republican character message.

Show the Republicans for what they are - human beings - and in many instances shameful ones.

Let's focus the high intensity of the public's light on their activities and their personalities.

Show them to be the phyocrits that they are.

Let's have the Bush revolution begin a time in American history when the Republican party was forced to reexamine itself because of its lack of moral principles.
underbear1
I hope this mortgage company has Jim Bakker bilking more old and poor folks, my what a short memory Americans have. I'd also like Swaggart giving counciling to way ward girls.
tazvil04
The rich get richer...
Magmak1
Just last night, I saw a website for a provider of software services that also proclaimed to be a Christian company, and had a clickable banner labeled John 3:16 which, when you clicked it, proclaimed that Gospel and invited me to accept Jesus into my heart, and provided further links through which I could have done so.

But here's some questions: If I re-mortgage my house with this company, can I get additional services from the Burning Bush Landscaping Services? Will the plumbers re-label the faucets for Milk and Honey? Will the cable company have a channel called Revelations? Will I get a discount on my homeowner's insurance? WIll there be harp music playing in the loft? Will the cellar be unusually warm?
Arneoker
QUOTE(Magmak1 @ Feb 22 2005, 05:14 PM)
Just last night, I saw a website for a provider of software services that also proclaimed to be a Christian company, and had a clickable banner labeled John 3:16 which, when you clicked it, proclaimed that Gospel and invited me to accept Jesus into my heart, and provided further links through which I could have done so. 

But here's some questions:  If I re-mortgage my house with this company, can I get additional services from the Burning Bush Landscaping Services?  Will the plumbers re-label the faucets for Milk and Honey?  Will the cable company have a channel called Revelations?  Will I get a discount on my homeowner's insurance?  WIll there be harp music playing in the loft?  Will the cellar be unusually warm?
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All excellent questions. Did you ask this company those questions? Let us know how they respond.
Salute_Liberty
I would ignore all these ads that come through e-mails. It seems that each time you subscribe a website that has ads, you become a target for the advertizing company. I would be more dubious of any business uses religion to sell itself.

Spam will hit your e-mails... party of the advertizers' gimmics to make money from every dick, tom and harry businesses. Use a spam guard or report them to your internet server. One never knows who the scammers/virus carriers are.

P.S. Notice that "The Passion of Christ" never showed Jesus over-turning the tables of the disgustingly evil money-lenders? Mel Gibson is smart, he didn't want the bankers, the lenders and the people in Wall Street to be angry with his film and not go see it.

It's shocking that "Christian" is today attached to the money lending business that Jesus despised! Now, don't you think we should beware of those fraud Christians mushrooming in our nation?
tazvil04
Yep...
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