So, it is illegal to share a harmless music file.

Is it illegal to share your gun?




Suspect in slayings used borrowed gun
Indianapolis Star - 17 hours ago
... A 36-year-old Loogootee man who on Sunday gunned down his estranged wife, two children and his wife’s boyfriend and then killed himself was given a gun by a ...


http://www.indystar.com/articles/1/223955-8311-092.html

If the person in question is prohibited by Federal law from purchasing a firearm themselves, it's a Federal felony.

If the person in question lives in another state, it's a Federal felony if the firearm in question is a handgun (I'm pretty sure it would be illegal for long guns, too, but I'd have to check before saying categorically yes.)

Depending on your state of residence, it may also be a crime. Here in NC, I think it would be illegal unless the person you loaned it to had a pistol permit, but I'd have to check (I've never loaned a gun to anyone so I've never looked into it).

There will also be extensive civil liability in this case...

Too bad the litigation won't do anything for the family that died.

It's also too bad we don't live in a snuggly, warm, safe world. Stuff happens and always will.

Yes and more stuff happens when there is an influx of over 5 million* guns a year into the United States.



*For the years 1980 through 1993, 16.2 million civilian guns were imported, and 4.6 million were exported, according to the BATF. The net for import and export, then, is about 11.6 million imported. This compares to 57.0 million production for civilian use over the same period. Hence, the net of civilian guns made available for use is about 68.6 million guns over a 14 year period, for an average of 4.9 million guns per year.
http://www.gunsandcrime.org/numbers.html

Yet the national crime rate has decreased markedly from the 1980's to the present, coinciding with that increase in civilian gun ownership. It's interesting you use 1993 as a stopping point, since civilian gun sales (particularly handguns and nonhunting-style long guns like AR-15's and civilian AK-47 lookalikes) skyrocketed during the period 1994-2004 as part of the backlash against the so-called "assault weapons ban", yet the crime continued to decrease after 1993. Which pretty much falsifies the assertion that "more guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens = more crime," which I gather is the point you were trying to make.

So nobody ever loaned a gun to anybody prior to 1980?

Look, people do stupid things. Those stupid things include loaning guns to unbalanced friends and loaning cars to drinking friends. There is no way to prevent people from doing stupid things outside of hiring one half of the population to watch the other half 24/7, and then you runinto the problem of watching the watchers.

I think an incident such as this, while tragic and regrettable, is so rare as to be statistically negligible. Also, do you suppose if the wife was armed, she would have been able to save at least the lives of her children?

I don't think that women should have to worry about being a quicker draw than their husbands, this entire idea of The Old West vigiliantiism has to go. The people defending this type of behavior must go. There is a reason you are all clinging on so desperately to your oversized cork-guns.

Nobody should have to worry about that. Unfortunately, that ain't the world we live in. Would you feel better if he hacked them up with an ax instead of using a gun?

What type of behavior is that? And where would you like them to go?

Do tell. What might that reason be?

I believe it has something to do with an inferiority complex and a wish to be more important than you really are. Very similar to a man who finds himself at 40 yrs old wanting to ignore his family and buy a little sports car.

Psychology 101...How intuitive of you brendon! :D

Well, what do you call answering one question of the four asked? I call that evasion.

That's wonderful, brendan. You have diagnosed every single one of us, long distance no less. Tell me, where did you get your psychiatry and psychology degrees from?

Well, I've stared at the wrong end of a gun before that's where I get my intuition from.

You're not alone!...Good night all....

Ok Brendan, let's see if we can find some common ground .... I'll start.

Speaking for myself, I support the right to keep and bear arms. I also agree that there should be restrictions as to who should not enjoy this right (felons, minors) and that certain classes of weapons/ammunition have no place in society.

We're taking baby steps now, so let's see what we can do with this.

..... perhaps a discussion for another time ....................................

I'm with you so far.

I also believe that rural areas should have more leniant rules than developed areas.

Think of your gun like a toothbrush, NOT something to be shared.

OK!...For the sake of argument, explain your reasoning.

And define "rural," and define "urban."

So, what you're saying is that urban areas... where crime is much higher... don't deserve near as much right to self defense as rural areas?

In other words, you have no training in psychology.

I respectfully submit that when you bring up "inferiority complexes" you don't know what you are talking about. This makes your "diagnosis" nothing more than an attempt to insult. That is very childish of you.

What is this problem you have with answering simple direct questions?

That is not what I said, please don't put words in my mouth.

In an area where homes are close together there should be range limits.

Not trying to put words in your mouth. I'm trying to get a better idea of what you are thinking.

Actually, there should be ammunition requirements. It should be required that your firearm be loaded with frangible projectiles so that you don't have rounds going through walls and such. I load my gun with such ammunition just for that purpose.

That makes far more sense than other restrictions.

What type of range limits do you propose? A pellet gun or even an airsoft gun will go at least 200 yds. So should we ban them just to make you feel safe?
My neighbors are safer with me owning and knowing how to use a firearm. If there was a disturbance I would risk my life for them. My neighbors on either side of me have about 15-20 ft between their house and mine. Unless I do something unsafe and have a negligent discharge, there is no danger to them.

Wouldn't responsibility and common sense take care of this problem?

And if someone doesn't have those two qualities, will having a law that prevents them from doing so make any difference??

WOW!...Now there's a concept!! :o

Alas, that requires logical thinking. Anti-gun people only think with blind emotion.

There are such in parts of lower Michigan in regards to deer hunting. Rifles are illegal but shotguns and handguns are legal.

Not to mention shotguns are safer and more effective in a home defense environment.

...depending on the load used, of course...

It may be just me but I think I'd be far more impressed by a person pointing a shotgun at me then a handgun and I wouldn't care what the shotgun was loaded with.

Mossburg 590A1 with #0000 buck!!



The sound of a pump chambering a load, will pretty much make them pi$$ their pants.

And at that sound you would too i guess :D

My dad told me once that a sawed off shotgun is the worlds best argument closer

That is the sound a robber fears most I would think. Dogs bark and may bite, but the racking of the slide of a shotgun only has one meaning, hells a-comin.

The Viet Cong were deathly afraid of the 870 12 ga. pump "Trench" gun. The fellers that carried it would often reload their own shells. You wouldn't believe what they put in there sometimes!

shuck-shuck

Unfortunantly that also is the case for to many gun-nuts. *A 50cal HMG for everyone & a coulple of LAW's too....*

Happily...those folk are in the extreme minority.
As much as I would like there to be no restrictions on law abiding citizens, common sense dictates otherwise.
I do support age limits and background checks. I also support a youth education program like those that were available in the 50's & 60's.
We are pretty reasonable folks.

Never said otherwise :D
Until you re-electet Bush

Didn't say I was perfect!!

LOL Frenchy! - What the he_l is it with all you people and free-kin guns. First of all they are not guns - they are weapons.

The weapons crimes committed in this free-kin country is done by the dude or whoever that goes to the local Gun Shop and buys the SOB legally. Give it a rest. Ever watch what your kids are playing on Video Games? Or ever see the "Bad Boy" cops they are watching on TV. How about all the weapons that you---yeah you as taxpayers are buying to do the dirty deed all over this world - including Iraq. Your buying the SOB'S and no-one else. Your never going to stop the sale of weapons in this country, just like your never going to stop the sale of drugs. Plain and simple.

Weapons have been a part of this country since it began and that is never going to change. Got a M-60 for sale here --not bad shape---1000 rounds of ammo--8 magazines, cleaning kit and case. $1650 OBO ---LOL- Kidding BATFA --Kidding!!! - Got to be honest --here where I am in Vermont if I did not have a weapon - I would not have much meat at times.

Like Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young sang, teach your children well. Teach them the safe way of handling a weapon and show them it is not a free-kin toy. Safety is the parents responsibility, not the governments or communities! So do your job.

Brendan, bet you shoot a tight group! LOL Hang Tough - and you do not want just the bad dudes to own the firearms---or do you?

Remember---you loyal American Taxpayers are buying those weapons big-time --wonder what hands they get in. Bet Ol' OBL has more than a few bought by U.S. tax $$$ LOL --- Remember you can talk weapons down all you want---your a supplier to the world with your tax $$$!

Yeah, that might make some people wonder about us huh?!

Before Bush, I was for some limits on guns; post Bush, NONE!!

That does put a different perspective on the 2nd Amendment, doesn't it??

Yes, but what if you misunderstand the situation and kill their son, coming home late at night and trying to sneak back into the house? let the cops do their jobs Mr. Vigilante

I live in the country Brandon. My sheriff’s dept. response time is between 45 minutes and an hour and a half.
Protecting ones home and family isn't vigilantism. You do know that it’s not the job of law enforcement to protect the individual, don’t you?