It would seem that our resident 9/11 detractor, 1st. Amendmentist and teller of tall stories, might be able to add art fraud to his questionable resume.
This dude is a real piece of work...

'Original' Churchill Art Piece Creates Controversy

Good find, Frenchy. This came out three days ago. I can't believe that more people haven't jumped on it. Surely this will provide the final nail in his tenure coffin?!

Usually, free-speech advocates are just as passionate about fraud, and this is an artist's version of plagiarism.

-Pegatha

Ward Churchill= bandwidth waster!

You noticed that I didn't post the actual article!...Saving bandwidth!!

Hey, chick!!! Are you trying to censor Frenchy and me? You must be some kind of freeper, or something!!! You better watch out!!!

(tee hee)

-Pegatha

hehehe...no. I'm just prepared for the onslaught of Churchill defenders. Somehow! Someway! All of this will be rationalized away!

But thanks for the link, it's just par for the course. His little sanctimonious behind isn't looking so pure now is it?

He poses as a Native American when he isn't. He takes Bin Laden's Letter to the American people, tweaks it a tiny bit and offers the resulting vomit as his own. Now he copies some art.

Gee, who woulda thunk?

Of course, he does have a bunch of street cred with the Counterpunch kids, so I'm sure they will find a way to spin this into a virtue of the highest order.

Great sig, Eugeenie! :D

This was done 24 years ago, 1981.

This has nothing at all to do with his speeches in 2004 and 2005, which he is 100 percent in what he says. (and is a diversion.)

That said, if one is not allowed to do this, he shouldn't have, but don't most art work have millions of copies done by "starving " artists?
People copying the original artist?

You have complete sales of this, and hotel rooms nationwide are stocked with copies of original artwork, bet most of the originals have no idea.

But, it is another reason why Joe Biden will never be President, after he stole speeches without credit.

This great Professor claims he originally did say so back in 1981.
As this was obviously an ambush on the good Professor, one should actually dig a little and see if he did. Last I heard, we democrats don't shoot someone without looking first into the facts. They are suppose to be the lynch mobs, not us.

I would not vote for him for President, but this has nothing to do with the insight he shares and the questions he asked of his students.

Matter of fact, something like this, seems like a classic set up by Karl Rove and Roger Stone. Find something minor to discredit ones words.

I don't see the connection, as he is not running for any position.

I hope when the school gets rid of him, he has millions of dollars lining
his pockets for the wrongful firing they will be doing.

There should be more like him. Nothing he said or questioned was wrong.

Gee!...Only 8 posts for the spin to start!! :D

Again, Frenchy-you act like this is something new.
This was 1981, 24 years ago.

We still do not know what George W. Bush, who had to stick a sock down his Tommy Cruise outfit on board the Abe Lincoln to say Mission Accomplished, who was drunk and AWOL and snorting cocaine, and supposedly taking girlfriends he drunkenly got pregnant to have abortions...
we have no idea what he was doing.

And on 9-11, was reading to a bunch of kids while his daddy's plans were being taken care of to have an alibi for why he did nothing

Think it is mixing apples and oranges.

I think we should investigate the head of the University, and lets see what is in their closet from back in 1981. Let the full witchhunt begin.

Here's some more interesting..er..historical background on our psudo-Native American...

Ward Churchill is a Fraud

Fake Indian..... Fake artist?

Truth be told, if he were in college and did it I would not care. Capish?! In fact, I'm not sure that a mirror image is illegal, or WAS when he did it. In fact, I DON'T want him fired. I don't want him to have the ability to say he was "victimized"....no,no,no....I want him shunned. Shunned by people who have better sense. I want his free speech screed (going for the word of the year 2005) to be burned en masse in the center of his town. I want people to get up and move when he sits near them. THAT is free speech used to counter his free speech. Burn his fake paintings!!!!!

Well-said heart. Attacking his credibility, and shining the light on his fraudulent life, is the best revenge...and quite constitutional!

Oh and G4A: Spare me your witchhunt analogies. You've been on an endless witch hunt for the past year! Nothing worse than hypocricy right? So Biden after giving the quote from the guy for 6 months of campaigning and always attributing the quote, forgot ONCE to attribute it and was slammed for it. Then, he copied someone elses paper in college. That's hardly the same thing as ACTING like you are the sole arbitor of a morality in the world, and then you turn out to be a total fraud.

None of us can stand under a microscope right? Otherwise many of us would be in congress LOL! But, when you want to play America deserves what they get" games with people's grief, and side with the enemy of the country because YOU want to PROVOKE a discussion about MORALITY and ETHICS, and then you are the proffessor of ETHICS....maybe you should not squeak so loud if you aren't so ethical yourself...ya think?

I had people I knew die at the WTC. What he said was taken the wrong way.
And 9-11 as you well know, is not in the scheme of things a major event.

It is however, the Pearl Harbor that got them to do what they did with OUR rights.
I believe it did not happen the way we were lied to.
Yes, real people died. That is tragic. But they were Bush's collateral damage. Take your anger out at him.
And yes, it went down like an Israeli military event. I do not believe 19 bumblers
did it. 2 precision hits dead center.

What he said, maybe he did not speak perfect as to what he meant, but what he meant is true. Not the people but the government. Bush and the neo-cons.
(And, not to stir up trouble Heart, but, I for one find the timing of this latest
terrorist explosion once again highly suspicious, and to blame Syria, right when Bush is again talking Syria...)

I am not on a witchhunt. I just don't see what the point of Biden running will be, when they will bring him down (and so would Hillary herself.)He is all powerful
where he is. We have enough skeltons out there)

I was pointing out that you HAVE been on a witchhunt for a year. You said that THIS was a witchhunt and so...if you're going to condemn witchhunts why are you always the main instigator of them?

Then, you say he didn't speak so perfectly what he meant...oh he spoke quite well and quite a lot. Of course, you haven't read it right?

So, if this professor gets fired, are you guys going to feel vindicated?

Talk about misguided anger! All this guy did was make a speech 2 years ago, and now you 4 "arbiters' of the truth" want to jump all over him for it?

I'm glad I didn't speak much in public for Kerry last year. I wouldn't want you guys to be the ones to nitpick my comments to pieces.

Firing professors for practising free speech is what they did in the 60's at Berkeley!

Welcome to the inquisition, 21st century-style!

Have at it, kids.

Get your pitchforks and storm the blogs until you get someone who was never responsible for getting a single person in this country killed fired from his job!

And be sure to hound him during his job hunt and start a letter campaign to every university he applies to after he is canned!!

Thank you for providing a bit of enlightened reason to what appears to be classic reich wing freeper reactionaries. I listened to Ward Churchhill speak at a forum broadcast on C-Span when KKK Rove machine targeted him. I fully agreed with everything he stated at that forum. He's scheduled to speak in the Bay Area later this week and I hope to get down to Berkeley to hear him. What he had to say was spot on - and was completely taken out of context by the KKK ROVE machine and spun on Brown Shirt Faux News to demonize anyone with a different point of view of the lies and treasonous deeds perpetrated by this adminstration, including the events of 9/11.

Pot meet Kettle.

Did I say I wanted him fired, Brad?? Quite the contrary.

I read the ENTIRE speech. Not just what THEY picked out.
I understood what he was saying. And I agree with what he said.
It is not the poor worker, the poor bus boy on the top floor resteraunt he was referring too.
See the big picture.

Thank you Ceilidh Seisuns

Your motives are quite obvious, even to the sight-impaired, Frenchy.

Well!...I'll just let you enlightened progressives justify the unjustifiable, and be on my way.

I wonder.....despite Aim's claims that he has a questionable NA link and despite the fact that his art may be questionable.........I get the distinct feeling here that people's opinions are based on their perspective of the war on Iraq.....and what good may come of it....and to questions of 911
not to mention the first ammendment.

What good may come of Iraq?
Ask the 1500 families of soldiers who died in an illegal war that we were lied about to get in
It took a Pearl harbor event, and that is what got us in it.

ward churchill....disinformation agent?

My impressions are not based on his bloodline, because that's not really the issue. It's not the artwork, that's not the issue. It's not my views on the war...that's not the issue.

It IS his views on the USA that I have issue with. It is not that the US is without blame, because we have made our share of mistakes. It is because this man has a Phd, and he is supposed to be a professor of ethics, which would imply that he has many classes in logic. It's that he immediately thought that it was Iraqis that did the deed, and then he later revised his misperception with some really illogical tract that looked exactly like what it was....the US parade of horribles. With all of the things listed in his updated essay he seems incapable of placing any blame on anyone but the US and when a person who holds such a high position in HIGHER EDUCATION makes such silly errors in logic, then I am left to wonder what he is teaching his students as well. How qualified can you be if this is your opinion and you opinion has gaps of logic than even lowly people like me can jump hoops through?

It is about free speech. This is why I don't want him fired. Ridiculed for his illogical and specious views will do just fine with me.

my personal opinion isn't too optimistic.....

Plus you already know how I feel about the illegality of the war....and that it was an unjust war.

Just because the administration managed to do a fancy dance number and reconstruct a new theory of why we went to war does not justify it in my mind.

and I support the troops....I want them home with their families

Ward Churchill is Neocon Test Case for Academic Purges
Ward Churchill is Neocon Test Case for Academic Purges. ... ACTA is Lynn Cheney's
organization, which hit the headlines a few years ago for creating the rightwing ...

http://www.kersplebedeb.com/mystuff/s11/ch...ill_neocon.html

But second, and in this case more important, there is the little matter of free speech. Criticizing what someone says is not the same as writing them death threats and trying to terminate their career. The right-wing thugs who are after Ward Churchill are stalking horses for more astute and sober folks in the rear. The troops in the field are Ward's proximate problem, but the powers that be--at the University of Colorado, in the Colorado state government, in major media from Fox to The Wall Street Journal and from ABC and the New York Times, through to the halls of Washington DC--are ultimately far more important.

http://www.kersplebedeb.com/mystuff/s11/ch...ill_albert.html

I bet the majority of people who died in the WTC would not want to be the shining example for how the entire structure of college education was changed

This is amazing and not one bit surprising. Everything these people Neo-cons) do is 3 or 4 steps ahead. They bide their time and wait and wait

Heart, I understand how you feel.....no country is beyond reproach in this respect and that does include us......We have been guilty of terrible crimes against humanity.....just because we aren't the only ones does not absolve us.......

another factor.....there are so many!!!!......

Yes!...I'm sure they would applaud Churchill's logic....If they were alive, of course.

Enlightened reason? freeper reactionaries?

You're a real hoot.


What Mindless twaddle.

thank the neo-cons and George Herbert Walker Bush41-that is blood on his hands.
It always is.
To blame a college professor for Bush41's wars is incredible
The only terrorists are the ones in Bush43's mirror

hmm could it be that I neglected to also add one's stance on Israeli policy?
or the Likudist influence in Washington?

So if the "neo-cons" are after him then we have to defend him?

If the "neo-cons" are after someone really wrong, really undeserving of defense, do we still defend them?

This is what I see happening. The "neo-cons' assert something, and because, and only because, they oppose it, we are for it. There is no logic in that. Free speech for Nazi's has been defended, and upheld right? We know that what Nazi's think, and we know that the "neo-cons" don't approve of their ideas either right? But, do we rush to their defense? NO!

Saying that his free speech is jepordized is a valid point, and there are plenty of lawyers that will defend him and he will win his case too. Yet, no one here has said "fire him". Just because I don't want to see a nazi's speech taken away from them does not mean I will rush to defend the content of their speech. EVEN IF THE NEO-CONS GO AFTER THEM!

Ward Churchill's views on the History of the United States of America as expressed and summarized in the forum broadcast on C-Span a couple of weeks ago - is SPOT ON TARGET.

Great, so throw in every hot-button issue you can think of and we can have a brawl! Thank you Ward Churchill, as he sits and smugly drinks his cup of coffee and laughes...I'm beginning to think he really is the anti-christ.

who said the neo-cons don't like the Nazi's???
They are surely copying their playbook from page one

to use the Nazi analogy-every single right wing person who defended Bush should
throw himself on the sword when Bush is arrested and tossed in the clink
(and that includes Ariel Sharon too)

Then by all means, if he is "spot on" go offer YOURSELF UP, so me and my family, and the rest of the citizens of the US can exist without the Caliphate...maybe they will take all you people and it will satisfy them for all our sins or something! Everyone's more than willing to scapegoat all Americans and certainly all Jews, so please form a line if you think he was "spot on". The only spot on was those 19 hijackers!

No, there is no logic in that. What you describe is the very definition of "reactionary", and the people who are playing the "you're either with us or against us" game like this with the Shrub are part of the problem.

The neo-cons don't like the nazis, they are at every anti-war protest screeching No Blood for Jews! The paleo-cons...now they seem okay with Nazis.

The neo-cons in charge are spawned from the Nazis - Bush, Cheney, Rove, aided by their little hoodlum jewish friends, Wolfowitz, Pearle, et al.

Read up on these people -
http://www.fpif.org/papers/02men/notes_body.html

no just pointing out that this may be clouding your and Eugenie's judgement here

why eugeenie?

because my post was in reply to that........