We like to talk about sacrificing in time of war and doing our duty to the country, just don't ask for more taxes.


We think "I am too old for the army" you will have much better luck getting an 18 year old into military shape.

The PNAC theories are the beliefs of the people we have chosen to rule us. PNAC theories require intensive use of the military. We need more soldiers for PNAC than can be obtained through normal recruitment. From the Civil War through the Vietnam War we have always turned to the draft when there is a lack of volunteers.

But the Civil war ended slavery. We outlawed indentured servitude. Why do we not view the draft as a form of slavery? Why should the burden of sacrificing personel income fall on the same people that we are asking to risk their lives for the country? Why don't we pay the soldiers what they are worth? Does our country believe in free enterprise? Have we ever heard of the law of supply and demand? If we have a shortage of soldiers then raise the pay.

We never have a shortage of prostitutes because should they become scarce their pay goes up. Never let anyone tell you that there are jobs that Americans won't do. There are only salaries that Americans won't do for particular jobs. Prostitution is a disgusting job but Americans do it. If good wages produce prostitutes then good wages will find soldiers for Iraq and wherever else PNAC would send our troops.

Yes, paying market rate for troops during a troop shortage would cost us a lot in taxes but if the cause is not worth the money then what right do we have sending draftee slaves earning less than they would in the private sector off to the far corners of the world to risk their lives for us?

Also, the Vietnam experience left many feeling that the blow to morale that comes with having soldiers that highly resent being there outweighs the advantages of having more warm bodies and perhaps a slightly higher IQ.

Couldn't we avoid the draft by paying the soldiers more?

Ask yourself how much would you charge the government to be driving unarmoured trucks in large convoys through Iraq? Now does that figure seem likely to be paid out? Didn't think so!

My life would be disrupted and unpleasant. I think I would do the job for about $400,000 a year given a one percent chance of being killed and a five percent chance of losing a limb. For every additional one percent chance of being killed and additional five percent chance of losing a limb I would add and additional $200,000 to my price.

I think some of the contractors are making that kind of money but I agree that government is not willing to pay our troops that kind of money.

It would give me great satisfaction to do something very meaningful with my life so I would cut my prices in half if I believed that I was involved in a effective well thought out operation that would greatly benefit both the Iraqi and American people.

I am sure we could find people willing to do the job for less than I would charge.

Unless I had great faith in the wisdom and moral correctness of the operation I would be unwilling at any price to have to accidentally kill people who just happen to be near people who are trying to kill me.

Bottom line though, is that drafts are slavery should be illegal, and these stop loss orders are on the edge of being a draft. If you want a job done, pay for it.

calken

I got to ask you calken, you ever been in combat? Curious about the prices you are listing for your life and body parts. LOL

I see where your coming from but it sounds like you want a Mercenary force - hired killers to do their dirty deeds for the Sheople of the U.S. of A. I worked with Merc's in the Nam, and like they say - kill em' all and let God sort them out! Its a free-kin business for those types. They have no heart, or moral fiber but like the piaster ($$$$) - big time. The "SHRUB" and his Chickenhawk crew just might want that type of military force, you never know.

Calken, that is not going to happen in your or my lifetime. A volunteer militia like we got now - if spread the way the "SHRUB" is spraying it around is going to need some big time help. The NG and Reserves are already a backdoor "SHRUB" draft.

A Draft is going to have to be had, sorry to say! So let it be right now with the little dude that strectched our military out to its breaking point. Let the "SHRUB" and his Chickenhawks show all the sheople in this country who the villians are! Like the "SHRUB" himself (tuff SOB -LOL) would say --"Bring it On!!!

No, I have never been in combat.

Underbear wrote "Ask yourself how much would you charge the government to be driving unarmoured trucks in large convoys through Iraq?" So I asked myself? But how can a person who has never been in combat know?

I asked myself "Fear Factor" the TV show wanted me to play Russian roulette with one bullet in a six chamber gun for a million dollars that goes to me and or my wife win or lose would I do it? The answer is for me is yes but my wife who I did not ask gets a veto. Money matters. Quality of life is as important as quantity of life. We have to die some time. Perhaps I am putting a cheap price on my life.

Facing death every day might be much harder than facing death once; what do I know? I did have a stranger who stabbed other people in other incidents put a knife to my throat once. Surprisingly the whole knife to the throat incident seemed almost unreal and never had much impact on me that I could notice.




My main point is that to any objective eyes the draft is a theft of freedom just as slavery and serfdom were. For 100 years most Americans blinded themselves and pretended that slavery was something other than what it is. According to my interpretation of the Constitution and my interpretation of the words of Jesus from the Gospels the draft is unconstitutional and immoral.

I hear you on the dark side of mercenaries and hear that there is a kind of justice in the draft's not letting the sheople avoid the consequences of wars that are fought in their name.

From the coups of Latin America I know that there is a danger to creating an army of well paid stone hearted warriors. In Latin America being in the military was often the only way out of poverty and for some even into wealth. For the right price Americans fighters could be found who would crush our democracy. As was in the case of the self-created blindness that rationalized slavery their is no reason why "patriotic" who would destroy America for money could not convince themselves that they are saving America.

US intelligence operations are already being privatized. Private corporations can do things that the FBI and CIA are not allowed to do.




Your right. I hope the draft breaks the NeoCons.

calken

Appreciate the honest reply calken - for sure. I hear and understand what your saying Bro' - hang tough and peace!

If a draft becomes law, we ALL must insist there will be ZERO deferments for the rich or kids from prostegious families. Barb and Jenna start packing!