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Obama finds Bush's pitch 'offensive'
March 11, 2005

BY LYNN SWEET Sun-Times Washington Bureau Chief

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) said Thursday that President Bush's argument for African Americans to support his Social Security plan is "offensive."

Bush is courting African Americans with the pitch that the Social Security system is unfair to black men because of their shorter life expectancy.

Obama said the notion that Bush would tailor his Social Security appeal to blacks by talking about their shorter lifespans -- without linking it to the causes of the death rate -- was "stunning'' and "puzzling.''

Obama said he would prefer the president not frame his Social Security argument "in racial terms.'' Obama's strong words may have special significance since he is the only African-American senator.

Last Jan. 11 at a White House forum on Social Security, Bush said "African-American males die sooner than other males do, which means the system is inherently unfair to a certain group of people. And that needs to be fixed.''

Bush is traveling across the country to win backing for his proposal to divert a portion of Social Security payroll taxes to fund individual investment accounts. Democrats oppose the creation of these private, or personal, accounts and said they will not deal with any presidential proposal until they are taken off the table.

"I frankly found the statement that the president made somewhat offensive,'' Obama said at a press briefing with Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), focusing on the impact the creation of individual investment accounts would have on blacks.

"There is no doubt a disparity in the lifetime opportunities between white America and black America. And that is something that everybody at this table is committed to closing,'' Obama said.

Group: Blacks get a lousy deal



He criticized what he said was the cynical use of disparities as a reason to dismantle Social Security. Instead, people should be talking "about how are we going to close the health disparities gap that exists, and make sure that African-American life expectancy is as long as the rest of this nation."

"The notion that we would not be talking about lack of health insurance, and reducing diabetes, and reducing incidents of AIDS, and making sure that African Americans have the wealth and the income to save into retirement and supplement Social Security is stunning to me."

Maya Rockeymoore, a vice president of research and programs at the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation, said at the briefing that Social Security survivor and disability benefits -- which are part of the package that includes retirement payments -- are used by African-American families and the conversation about change should deal with all three aspects of the program.

Stephen Moore, president of the Free Enterprise Fund, which is backing Bush's bid for investment accounts, defended the approach. "I think the Republicans should go into the black communities and let people know what a lousy deal they get from Social Security."

Obama, Moore said, did not take issue with the "fundamental truth'' that there is a racial death rate disparity.

"This is not about why the life expectancy is lower," Moore said. "It is about the fact of life that blacks do die at younger ages and they get a relatively worse deal out of Social Security than whites."

Said Obama, "This is as if the president is arguing for privatization of fire protection because our houses aren't worth as much as houses in rich neighborhoods. Or maybe we could privatize police protection because if we get robbed, our stuff is not as nice. It defies logic.''

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graham4anything
Obama makes a great point.

Maybe this will be able to be used by democrats in a positive way, to show people how Bush does nothing to help anyone, let alone african-americans.

Bush's statement reminds me of the Honeymooner's Jackie Gleason when he says to Art Carney playing Ed Norton, as Norton is recuperating at home after a head injury...

Who brought you to the hospital
Who got them to fix you up
Who did all the paper work
Who saw you got everything you needed
Who drove you home

And then Norton said
Who hit me in the head with a baseball bat in the first place

Bush world-how racist they are
starrygalore
Obama is right, overhauling Social Security by claiming that AA's get a raw deal is total BS. While the statistic is right, AA's (males especially) have a shorter life span than whites, it is by no means a justification to do away with Social Security. In fact, it has little to do with Social Security. If Bush was so concerned about the shorter life expectancy of African Americans, then he would be looking into our health system, our prison system, poverty, and (I hate to say it) black on black violent crimes (this is THE leading cause of death for young, adult black males and has much bearing on why their life expectancies are younger). THESE are the real issues, not some phony plan to privatize the only retirement saftey net most of us can afford!! Talk about disrespect for the people! What else do you call it when you lie to push your agenda??
tazvil04
Don't tell me Barak Republicana is shedding his red for a tinge of blue - after he voted for Rice and the class action bill - I was certain he was our next Ben "Knighthorse" Campbell... lol.gif
tazvil04
Commentary: Despite Bush’s Social Security Pitch to Blacks, Let the Buyer Beware
Date: Thursday, March 10, 2005
By: Wayne Dawkins, BlackAmericaWeb.com

http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site.aspx/b...tary/dawkins311

Republican and Democrat voters in red and blue states can’t even agree on the true color of the sky when they wake up each morning, yet on the question of Social Security reform, most of them see purple.

Numerous polls are reporting that Americans are not jumping enthusiastically at the Bush plan to privatize Social Security, then dump the 70-year-old system. Since senior citizens were not scared effectively by exaggerated claims that Social Security was about to go bankrupt, and young adults appear indifferent about the future of the program, the Bush administration late last week announced it was going to step up their sales pitch and launch a rapid response campaign that posts op-ed essays and letters to the editor in response to critical press coverage.

Bush’s Social Security plan is in trouble because of Bush himself. He tried a Chicken Little strategy, and most Americans understand that the sky is not falling, and Social Security will not collapse anytime soon. Plus, he didn’t offer up enough specifics about shifting a reliable retirement program from the federal government to Wall Street.

Conservatives and liberals, Republicans and Democrats saw a big problem in accepting such a dramatic change with such flimsy detail.

Blacks, regardless of their political leanings, must eye this policy debate with the skepticism of hawks, then not hesitate to leap into the debate. Jump in, please, because the Bush administration is trying to play us for fools. Bush has sold the private investment accounts proposal as a no-brainer to black self-interest.

Blacks on average live shorter lives than whites – goes the administration pitch – so that means most blacks pay more into the government-run Social Security system and get less from program.

Right? Not quite. The Bush administration scheme is misleading.

Right now, Social Security levels the playing field for many black retirees who don’t have as much investment income as whites, a disadvantage that reveals the legacy of legal segregation and job discrimination. About 63 percent of whites have asset income for retirement; for blacks, asset income is 29 percent, reports the National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare. Thirty seven percent of black beneficiaries rely on Social Security for all of their income because of a lack of other income at retirement.

The government system is also good to blacks who have suffered disabilities. On average, blacks get more out of the system than they put in.

Maya Rockeymoore, the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation’s vice president of research and programs, wrote last year that 17 percent of blacks received Social Security disability benefits, despite representing 12 percent of the population. Furthermore, 68 percent of blacks are kept out of poverty because of disability benefits.

“African-Americans must take care to understand the importance of Social Security and the implications of privatizing the system,” wrote Rockeymoore, words worth repeating in this wrongheaded push by the Bush administration to force privatized retirement accounts down Americans’ throats.

Black conservatives like Alvin Williams and Star Parker published op-ed essays in the last week suggesting that blacks and advocates like the NAACP either go against their self-interests or are simply knee-jerk opponents in resisting the Bush plan.

Actually, the skeptics sense a shady scheme.

An article in the Wilmington, N.C. Journal this week explained: In targeting blacks -- then telling them that Social Security cheats them out of money because of a significant disparity in life expectancy – what’s not noted is that when you take the high black infant mortality rate out of the equation and compare the life expectancy of black and white young adults advancing to old age, a nine-year gap shrinks to a comparable two years.

According to a Reuters dispatch at the end of February, average life expectancy is now 77.6 years, but black men live 6.2 years less than whites, and black women live 4.4 years less, according to the Centers for Disease Control.

Right now, Social Security serves most blacks well. The Bush administration has acknowledged that private retirement accounts are not substitutes for what is fiscally troubling with Social Security.

Most Americans right now are not feeling Bush’s private accounts plan. So why are blacks being targeted to rally around a proposal that appears suspect?

Buyer, beware.
jeffmoskin
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Mar 11 2005, 07:40 AM)
Obama makes a great point.

Bush world-how racist they are
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Bushworld promotes "the ownership society."
I think African-Americans have already experienced this society and do not wish to repeat it.
Arneoker
Another point, the formulas for figuring out SS benefits replace a higher percentage of income of those who have earned less than those who have earned more. Since Black people have generally earned less than White people this favors them. I don't know the exact figures but this should be figured in as well, it might even more than wipe out the effective two year life expectancy gap for young people advancing into old age.

If it doesn't it would be argument to make the SS system more progressive, not less (which private accounts do).
Arneoker
QUOTE(jeffmoskin @ Mar 11 2005, 11:34 AM)
Bushworld promotes "the ownership society."
I think African-Americans have already experienced this society and do not wish to repeat it.
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You don't mean that most Black people aren't rich business owners worrying about their ability to pass their fortunes on to their children? Quick, alert the right-wing!
Callicles
QUOTE(tazvil04 @ Mar 11 2005, 09:49 AM)
Don't tell me Barak Republicana is shedding his red for a tinge of blue - after he voted for Rice and the class action bill - I was certain he was our next Ben "Knighthorse" Campbell... lol.gif
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Give Obama a little bit more credit for being blue than that...

In all fairness to him, it was his first week in the Senate on the Rice vote... and he did a good job of grilling her in the hearings.

And Obama did just vote against that horrible bankruptcy bill.

Give Obama time. Give him time.
tazvil04
QUOTE(Callicles @ Mar 11 2005, 12:14 PM)
Give Obama a little bit more credit for being blue than that...

In all fairness to him, it was his first week in the Senate on the Rice vote... and he did a good job of grilling her in the hearings.

And Obama did just vote against that horrible bankruptcy bill. 

Give Obama time.  Give him time.
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I will, but I like chiding him as Barak Republicana - just having some fun.

The problem is we haven;t much time - the Rs are going to try to push through a ton of legislation by the end of the year and if Obama isn't willing to fight for the party and his constituents we could be in a lot of trouble.

Its enough we have Sellout-a-czar to deal with...
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