The campus where I teach has just been acquired by corporation to form another On-Line University. I'm sorting out my options. Maybe some of you have some experience with course work or teaching a fast growing segment in higher ed such as Univ. of Phoenix, Kaplan and Capella. If so, would you post your thoughts?
Pros:
Much more accessible to adults working full time, people who are homebound for health reasons, or taking care of small children.
More energy efficient because of much lower commuting costs.
Military personnel stationed oversees can continue their education when they are off-duty.
On-line formats can provide better quality assurance of instruction, since all interactions are written and recorded. That way it is easier to assess students' progress toward course objectives.
Lower costs can be passed onto students and taxpayers.
Asynchronous format allows much greater flexibility in how students and faculty schedule their time.
Faculty are less confined to a geographic location. They can travel all over the world and still continue teaching as long as they can connect to the internet.
Cons:
Faculty are primarily part-time and most have other full time jobs. Seldom are there full-time faculty positions with benefits. This is the main reason for lower costs. It seems to be a kind of outsourcing for teachers in higher ed. Teaching in higher education is being devalued. It's almost impossible to make a living teaching on-line.
On-line education is somewhat of a corporate subsidy for hardware and software industries. Students struggling to get their education have to buy into PCs and software that have rapid cycling planned obsolescence.
Students can get by without developming a basic work ethic and time management habits. They could be up all night at the computer and sleep in the next day. Arriving on time for a meeting and being prepared to give a presentation or participate in deliberations becomes a lost skill.
Students' skills in face to face interaction, speaking, listening, and other "helping" skills can't really be developed in an on-line format.
Students and faculty miss out on real working relationships in real time. It's harder for faculty to be effective as mentors and advocates for the students.
On-line education presents formidable challenges for "click and paste" cheating and plagiarizing.
Teaching on-line courses can be more labor intensive. Faculty not only have to teach and give feedback on course content, but also help students over the learning curve of learning to use software platforms like WebCT and Blackboard.
Electronic monitoring of faculty/student interactions by administrators can present some threats to academic freedom, first amendment rights, and privacy.
I look forward to reading your thoughts.
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University of Phoenix sounded good to me at one time but they aren't cheap. Got ten thousand dollars up front? Good for a loan? They also try to get you to do your course work in a hurry. I decided that at my age I just couldn't handle that kind of pressure. If you decide to do this, you had better get DSL otherwise you might go crazy before you get your diploma. Of course everyone here already has DSL.....right? And lots of money too................lol
KT
KT
I have a stupid question. DSL?
DSL is a high speed modem. Adelphia has it, AT&T has it, Verizon has it, all kinds of communication companies. So you don't have to use dial-up and tie up your phone line and its way faster. Down loads are real fast if it comes over cable.....instantaneously.....this is what I know.
Digital signal line.
I'm getting mine next week finally I think. If the cable guy doesn't get here before I do.
KT
Digital signal line.
I'm getting mine next week finally I think. If the cable guy doesn't get here before I do.
KT
QUOTE(kindergarten teacher @ Mar 16 2005, 08:45 PM)
DSL is a high speed modem. Adelphia has it, AT&T has it, Verizon has it, all kinds of communication companies. So you don't have to use dial-up and tie up your phone line and its way faster. Down loads are real fast if it comes over cable.....instantaneously.....this is what I know.
Digital signal line.
I'm getting mine next week finally I think. If the cable guy doesn't get here before I do.
KT
Digital signal line.
I'm getting mine next week finally I think. If the cable guy doesn't get here before I do.
KT
Alzheimer's must be setting in. I forgot what it was called. We've had it at home for 3 or 4 years ---- My wife trades on ebay, she had it installed and since we got it, I've just have taken it for granted because my PC at my office is on a server. The old dial-up modem seems like ancient history now. It's amazing how fast the technology has transformed our lives.
Anyway, U of Phoenix asked you for 10 grand up front? For how many credits? Was that like a down payment, or was that the full amount for a certain number of courses? What course of study were you looking at?
will you still be teaching students in the class or will all of your students now be on-line?
The hardest part is getting people all on the same page with their computer skills before starting the class. This can be difficult with foreign language students. Your teachers union should be demanding that the full time positions remain and that you actually bring more teachers into the program. You should be able to teach an endless amount of classes if the system is working correctly.
I tried my hand at some on-line certification classes, I found the tech classes to be very hard because of the lack of effort put into the curriculum. Basically a syllabus had been copied, examples given then tests began. It was hard to stay in the loop mentally. No teacher required as it was all automated. Of course I didn't learn what I hoped to but I realized there was a need for people from outside the tech area to begin working in that area to make it more friendly to the end-user.
It looks like IBM intends to do this, you may have been bought out by a subsidiary company. The end result will be these jobs being outsourced as well or they'll record you to disc and then force you out. Like the last railroad riveter.
Education was ruined when businessmen were allowed to teach classes without any teaching credentials. This country is such a mess right now I feel sorry for you in your situation.
One big positive. No one can shoot you in class.
The hardest part is getting people all on the same page with their computer skills before starting the class. This can be difficult with foreign language students. Your teachers union should be demanding that the full time positions remain and that you actually bring more teachers into the program. You should be able to teach an endless amount of classes if the system is working correctly.
I tried my hand at some on-line certification classes, I found the tech classes to be very hard because of the lack of effort put into the curriculum. Basically a syllabus had been copied, examples given then tests began. It was hard to stay in the loop mentally. No teacher required as it was all automated. Of course I didn't learn what I hoped to but I realized there was a need for people from outside the tech area to begin working in that area to make it more friendly to the end-user.
It looks like IBM intends to do this, you may have been bought out by a subsidiary company. The end result will be these jobs being outsourced as well or they'll record you to disc and then force you out. Like the last railroad riveter.
Education was ruined when businessmen were allowed to teach classes without any teaching credentials. This country is such a mess right now I feel sorry for you in your situation.
One big positive. No one can shoot you in class.
QUOTE(brendan @ Mar 16 2005, 10:12 PM)
will you still be teaching students in the class or will all of your students now be on-line?
The hardest part is getting people all on the same page with their computer skills before starting the class. This can be difficult with foreign language students. Your teachers union should be demanding that the full time positions remain and that you actually bring more teachers into the program. You should be able to teach an endless amount of classes if the system is working correctly.
I tried my hand at some on-line certification classes, I found the tech classes to be very hard because of the lack of effort put into the curriculum. Basically a syllabus had been copied, examples given then tests began. It was hard to stay in the loop mentally. No teacher required as it was all automated. Of course I didn't learn what I hoped to but I realized there was a need for people from outside the tech area to begin working in that area to make it more friendly to the end-user.
It looks like IBM intends to do this, you may have been bought out by a subsidiary company. The end result will be these jobs being outsourced as well or they'll record you to disc and then force you out. Like the last railroad riveter.
Education was ruined when businessmen were allowed to teach classes without any teaching credentials. This country is such a mess right now I feel sorry for you in your situation.
One big positive. No one can shoot you in class.
The hardest part is getting people all on the same page with their computer skills before starting the class. This can be difficult with foreign language students. Your teachers union should be demanding that the full time positions remain and that you actually bring more teachers into the program. You should be able to teach an endless amount of classes if the system is working correctly.
I tried my hand at some on-line certification classes, I found the tech classes to be very hard because of the lack of effort put into the curriculum. Basically a syllabus had been copied, examples given then tests began. It was hard to stay in the loop mentally. No teacher required as it was all automated. Of course I didn't learn what I hoped to but I realized there was a need for people from outside the tech area to begin working in that area to make it more friendly to the end-user.
It looks like IBM intends to do this, you may have been bought out by a subsidiary company. The end result will be these jobs being outsourced as well or they'll record you to disc and then force you out. Like the last railroad riveter.
Education was ruined when businessmen were allowed to teach classes without any teaching credentials. This country is such a mess right now I feel sorry for you in your situation.
One big positive. No one can shoot you in class.
At this point it doesn't look that grim. It might be an opportunity to break away from some of the doldrums and frustrations of a small private college. Do some writing and traveling. Learn some new and marketable skills if the economy tanks before I can retire.
For the time being, I'll continue with a full teaching load, for at least another academic year----if I sign another contract. For the time being we still have same salary and benefits although we have had to change over from TIAA-CREF to a 401K. I chose not to roll over the money in TIAA-CREF.
Accessability for adult learners is the catch phrase. This corporation does have an accelerated on-line model for teaching 3 credit courses on a 5 week term. Conceivably, a student could take 10 courses a year that way, but I doubt whether many keep that pace. The corporation has been targeting students older than 21 who have earned some credits and want to finish a bachelors degree. I've enjoyed working with these older students. They tend to have more intrinsic interest in course content.
The courses are in business, education, information technology, and liberal arts. There's no automated instruction as you described, but most of the faculty are adjuncts (part-time). They do seem to be concerned about stimulating a lot of on-line discussion and quality assurance programs for faculty performance. They are encouraging our faculty to get more involved in teaching on-line. I'm thinking I'll give teaching one of these courses a try over the summer.
The main reason for acquiring our campus is for the accreditation. It's really not clear why they would want to keep the campus open after they have established profitable on-line degree programs. It's not clear how much they are willing to invest in hiring new full time faculty or to keep buildings and equipment from depreciating. There's a sense that they want us to hold our own while they make the big money on line. They do talk of plans of having "ground" course work at a number of "satellite" locations all over the country.
Some of the people that I've talked to have degrees from the University of Phoenix. I'm wondering if this corporation might be a subsidary of that mother ship. But it just may be a new corporate subculture in academia that's gotten a bit inbred. They tend to describe themselves as risk-takers and enterpreneurs. Sometimes it smacks of crony capitalism, but then they seem to have a lot of professionalism, energy, and innovative ideas for using information technology in instruction.
A real college would be better than University of Phoenix, BUTTTT the University of Phoenix is like the best on-line university available.
QUOTE(kleenex @ Mar 17 2005, 04:31 PM)
A real college would be better than University of Phoenix, BUTTTT the University of Phoenix is like the best on-line university available.
Could you say more? What dimensions of quality make the difference?
QUOTE(Istoodforu @ Mar 17 2005, 12:03 AM)
At this point it doesn't look that grim. It might be an opportunity to break away from some of the doldrums and frustrations of a small private college. Do some writing and traveling. Learn some new and marketable skills if the economy tanks before I can retire.
For the time being, I'll continue with a full teaching load, for at least another academic year----if I sign another contract. For the time being we still have same salary and benefits although we have had to change over from TIAA-CREF to a 401K. I chose not to roll over the money in TIAA-CREF.
Accessability for adult learners is the catch phrase. This corporation does have an accelerated on-line model for teaching 3 credit courses on a 5 week term. Conceivably, a student could take 10 courses a year that way, but I doubt whether many keep that pace. The corporation has been targeting students older than 21 who have earned some credits and want to finish a bachelors degree. I've enjoyed working with these older students. They tend to have more intrinsic interest in course content.
The courses are in business, education, information technology, and liberal arts. There's no automated instruction as you described, but most of the faculty are adjuncts (part-time). They do seem to be concerned about stimulating a lot of on-line discussion and quality assurance programs for faculty performance. They are encouraging our faculty to get more involved in teaching on-line. I'm thinking I'll give teaching one of these courses a try over the summer.
The main reason for acquiring our campus is for the accreditation. It's really not clear why they would want to keep the campus open after they have established profitable on-line degree programs. It's not clear how much they are willing to invest in hiring new full time faculty or to keep buildings and equipment from depreciating. There's a sense that they want us to hold our own while they make the big money on line. They do talk of plans of having "ground" course work at a number of "satellite" locations all over the country.
Some of the people that I've talked to have degrees from the University of Phoenix. I'm wondering if this corporation might be a subsidary of that mother ship. But it just may be a new corporate subculture in academia that's gotten a bit inbred. They tend to describe themselves as risk-takers and enterpreneurs. Sometimes it smacks of crony capitalism, but then they seem to have a lot of professionalism, energy, and innovative ideas for using information technology in instruction.
For the time being, I'll continue with a full teaching load, for at least another academic year----if I sign another contract. For the time being we still have same salary and benefits although we have had to change over from TIAA-CREF to a 401K. I chose not to roll over the money in TIAA-CREF.
Accessability for adult learners is the catch phrase. This corporation does have an accelerated on-line model for teaching 3 credit courses on a 5 week term. Conceivably, a student could take 10 courses a year that way, but I doubt whether many keep that pace. The corporation has been targeting students older than 21 who have earned some credits and want to finish a bachelors degree. I've enjoyed working with these older students. They tend to have more intrinsic interest in course content.
The courses are in business, education, information technology, and liberal arts. There's no automated instruction as you described, but most of the faculty are adjuncts (part-time). They do seem to be concerned about stimulating a lot of on-line discussion and quality assurance programs for faculty performance. They are encouraging our faculty to get more involved in teaching on-line. I'm thinking I'll give teaching one of these courses a try over the summer.
The main reason for acquiring our campus is for the accreditation. It's really not clear why they would want to keep the campus open after they have established profitable on-line degree programs. It's not clear how much they are willing to invest in hiring new full time faculty or to keep buildings and equipment from depreciating. There's a sense that they want us to hold our own while they make the big money on line. They do talk of plans of having "ground" course work at a number of "satellite" locations all over the country.
Some of the people that I've talked to have degrees from the University of Phoenix. I'm wondering if this corporation might be a subsidary of that mother ship. But it just may be a new corporate subculture in academia that's gotten a bit inbred. They tend to describe themselves as risk-takers and enterpreneurs. Sometimes it smacks of crony capitalism, but then they seem to have a lot of professionalism, energy, and innovative ideas for using information technology in instruction.
5 weeks for 3 credits? That's gotta hurt to all the folks that went to real college like me.
I understand because if the person dedicated the entire time to that class it would work.
Kind of like summer classes but online. Sounds interesting. Is there a way you can set up a side consultant job or another real-world teaching job just in case.
Otherwise it does open up a lot of avenues to you such as article syndication, collaborative efforts on curriculum with other teachers etc.
QUOTE(Istoodforu @ Mar 16 2005, 08:02 PM)
Alzheimer's must be setting in. I forgot what it was called. We've had it at home for 3 or 4 years ---- My wife trades on ebay, she had it installed and since we got it, I've just have taken it for granted because my PC at my office is on a server. The old dial-up modem seems like ancient history now. It's amazing how fast the technology has transformed our lives.
Anyway, U of Phoenix asked you for 10 grand up front? For how many credits? Was that like a down payment, or was that the full amount for a certain number of courses? What course of study were you looking at?
Anyway, U of Phoenix asked you for 10 grand up front? For how many credits? Was that like a down payment, or was that the full amount for a certain number of courses? What course of study were you looking at?
Now it's my turn to be a little foggy. Two years ago I was seriously looking into finishing up my masters in ed. I'm way beyond the 5th year of study and I was only considering it because of the step and column and retirement increase. When I figured it out, it wasn't much more. The woman who contacted me from Univ. of Phoenix was pushing the Masters in ed technology and wanted me to find others who were willing to sign on in my school district. She also wanted me to do it in one year. I wasn't interested in any of it after thinking it over. I'd rather get a masters in art than education. I have undergraduate degrees in both art and ed and have two teaching credentials. One K-12 in art and the other K-8 multiple subject. I just figured that if I was going to have to do it in a year, I'd have to be prepared to come up with the full amount right away, because I hate paying interest on loans.
Good luck with your online teaching Istoodforyou! It sounds like a good way to retire at a very old age! lol!
KT
QUOTE(brendan @ Mar 17 2005, 08:22 PM)
5 weeks for 3 credits? That's gotta hurt to all the folks that went to real college like me.
I understand because if the person dedicated the entire time to that class it would work.
Kind of like summer classes but online. Sounds interesting. Is there a way you can set up a side consultant job or another real-world teaching job just in case.
Otherwise it does open up a lot of avenues to you such as article syndication, collaborative efforts on curriculum with other teachers etc.
I understand because if the person dedicated the entire time to that class it would work.
Kind of like summer classes but online. Sounds interesting. Is there a way you can set up a side consultant job or another real-world teaching job just in case.
Otherwise it does open up a lot of avenues to you such as article syndication, collaborative efforts on curriculum with other teachers etc.
That's just one course at a time. Like you say, it's like a summer class.
There might be some evidence that such a 5 week schedule allows less time for memory consolidation or intensifies memory interference, but I suspect that any such effect is offset by concentrating on just one course at a time.
Often academic schedules and curriculum are set as are a matter of tradition rather than based upon sound research and theories of learning. For students older than 25, this 5 week schedule allows flexibility to take courses during parts of the year when work loads are lighter. It allows opportunities to travel or to get medical treatments without interrupting a 15 week semester.
On the other hand, it would be very difficult to miss a week or more of course work, and successfully complete the course. Playing catch-up would be overwhelming. Their academic policy requires students to drop if there is poor "attendance" (participation on-line). It's too unforgiving for many eighteen to 20 year-olds who are into partying, sports, or falling in and out of love.
I am thinking that on-line teaching might allow more blocks of time to do other projects. Some projects could earn enough additional money to get by. I've had full teaching loads (four courses per semester) every year I've taught. It gets to be a grind that doesn't leave much time and energy to explore areas of intrinsic interest. There's that old grad school guilt about not spending every spare moment at home grading papers or preparing for the next day's class.
Good luck ISFU! Has anyone out there had any experience dealing with Walden U online?
QUOTE(Noonan @ Mar 17 2005, 07:25 PM)
Good luck ISFU! Has anyone out there had any experience dealing with Walden U online?
Hey Noonan! Are you happy now that I am off the 9-11 topic and on the education thread? I hope so, YOU RASCAL!
"It's too unforgiving for many eighteen to 20 year-olds who are into partying, sports, or falling in and out of love."
And the over 50 crowd who also are into these awful things!
KT
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QUOTE(kindergarten teacher @ Mar 17 2005, 09:05 PM)
The woman who contacted me from Univ. of Phoenix was pushing the Masters in ed technology and wanted me to find others who were willing to sign on in my school district. She also wanted me to do it in one year. I wasn't interested in any of it after thinking it over. I'd rather get a masters in art than education.
Good luck with your online teaching Istoodforyou! It sounds like a good way to retire at a very old age! lol!
KT
Good luck with your online teaching Istoodforyou! It sounds like a good way to retire at a very old age! lol!
KT
QUOTE(Noonan @ Mar 17 2005, 09:25 PM)
Good luck ISFU! Has anyone out there had any experience dealing with Walden U online?
KT,
Good choice! The MA in teaching w technology is a bogus degree---especially on-line. How can a teacher really benefit from such a program w/o trying out the new technology in a real classroom while being observed and getting feedback from the professor? The degree is a corporate welfare scam to market hardware and software. Schools end up buying technocrap that is either not used or ends up being the opposite of labor saving. I've discovered that some of the instructional software is more labor intensive than older low tech methods that I've adapted to my own style of teaching.
By the way, I really would prefer to retire at a young age, like yesterday. However, "compassionate conservatism" would prefer that I keep working to hang on to the health insurance.
Noonan,
Thanks, I've heard Walden "advertised" on NPR, but I know nothing about their reputation. Are you thinking about taking courses with Walden? Would you tell us more about what you have in mind?
ISFU
QUOTE(Istoodforu @ Mar 17 2005, 05:37 PM)
Could you say more? What dimensions of quality make the difference?
Well going though a real college imo will probabily be better when it comes down to transfering classes to another college.
QUOTE(kleenex @ Mar 18 2005, 04:58 PM)
Well going though a real college imo will probabily be better when it comes down to transfering classes to another college.
Some students have been concerned about transferring credit and whether their BA degree will draw the same job opportunities and salaries in the job market now that we've become an on-line university. I don't know whether there are any facts to back that up. Do you know of anyone who's on-line credits haven't transferred?
QUOTE(kindergarten teacher @ Mar 17 2005, 10:39 PM)
Hey Noonan! Are you happy now that I am off the 9-11 topic and on the education thread? I hope so, YOU RASCAL!
I've been too busy with family stuff and conferences to notice, sorry
QUOTE(Istoodforu @ Mar 17 2005, 11:33 PM)
Thanks, I've heard Walden "advertised" on NPR, but I know nothing about their reputation. Are you thinking about taking courses with Walden? Would you tell us more about what you have in mind?
I agree with what you said about the Technology in Education degree, but that's what several others are taking, so I'm joining the heard. I really think with my background, I could 'CLEP' out of 99% of what the program is supposed to teach us, but they want my money. If the opportunity was out there, I'd love to work toward a PhD in History (probably with a local flavor), or a Masters in math. They don't exist online; my state has crippled the pay for teachers, so I can't afford much else; work during the summer is a must; and with two pre-K kids and a wife working on her BA, I'm out of options.
So far the contact with Walden have been very positive, if I didn't have the bias that they are a diploma mill making sure they get my money. The filing deadline was yesterday, but they called today to make sure I was still interested and said they would waive the $50 admissions fee.
The worst part so far is they application is still all on paper and they want a two page "goal statement" sent to them before they will process me.
GRRRR
QUOTE(Noonan @ Mar 18 2005, 10:47 PM)
If the opportunity was out there, I'd love to work toward a PhD in History (probably with a local flavor), or a Masters in math.
So far the contact with Walden have been very positive, if I didn't have the bias that they are a diploma mill making sure they get my money. The filing deadline was yesterday, but they called today to make sure I was still interested and said they would waive the $50 admissions fee.
The worst part so far is they application is still all on paper and they want a two page "goal statement" sent to them before they will process me.
GRRRR
So far the contact with Walden have been very positive, if I didn't have the bias that they are a diploma mill making sure they get my money. The filing deadline was yesterday, but they called today to make sure I was still interested and said they would waive the $50 admissions fee.
The worst part so far is they application is still all on paper and they want a two page "goal statement" sent to them before they will process me.
GRRRR
From the conversations I've had with the people here, they are going to venture into the liberal arts undergraduate majors like English, psychology, anthropology, sociology---maybe history. Maybe, the market seems to be saturated with business and other career focused degree programs. They did remark that some liberal arts majors have more versatility on the job market than the career focused programs.
Looks like their doing some aggressive marketing. The 2 page goal statement might be a compliance test. If you are motivated enough to do their mickey mouse work, then you are more likely to make payment and follow thru with course work.
Would you mind telling us how much money they are asking for?
QUOTE(Istoodforu @ Mar 18 2005, 11:59 PM)
Looks like their doing some aggressive marketing. The 2 page goal statement might be a compliance test. If you are motivated enough to do their mickey mouse work, then you are more likely to make payment and follow thru with course work.
I've just been jumping through so many hoops in the past two weeks, that I'm tired of jumping for coursework that will be so trivial.
QUOTE(Istoodforu @ Mar 18 2005, 11:59 PM)
Would you mind telling us how much money they are asking for?
Here's directly from the 30 page .pdf I need to wade through to finish my app. BTW - 30 pages printed out get messy when the kids want to help you color them.
QUOTE
Tuition and Fees* Tuition: $298 per credit hour (includes course textbooks and materials, except for the Middle Level Education program).
Tuition does not include the cost of purchasing the required software.
Fees: $50 Application Fee (non-refundable)
$395 Graduation Fee
$250 Orientation Course: Success Strategies in the Online Environment, EDUC 6000 (Middle Level Education program only)
$100 Continuous Enrollment Fee (if applicable)
*All tuition and fees are subject to change without notice.
Four Payment Options 1. Interest-Free Payment Plan (TuitionPay) Walden University offers students an easy, interest-free payment plan through TuitionPay. There are no interest or finance charges for this plan. Your only incremental cost is the one-time $75 enrollment fee. Example of Payment Plan (forReading, Technology, Curriculum, Literacy and Learning, orMathematics programs) One-time enrollment fee (non-refundable) $75.00 Tuition/Materials/Graduation Fee $9,335.00 Divided by 19 monthly payments OR $491.31 per month Divided by 20 monthly payments $466.75 per month The monthly payment figures include tuition, materials ($8,940) and graduation fee ($395).
Tuition does not include the cost of purchasing the required software.
Fees: $50 Application Fee (non-refundable)
$395 Graduation Fee
$250 Orientation Course: Success Strategies in the Online Environment, EDUC 6000 (Middle Level Education program only)
$100 Continuous Enrollment Fee (if applicable)
*All tuition and fees are subject to change without notice.
Four Payment Options 1. Interest-Free Payment Plan (TuitionPay) Walden University offers students an easy, interest-free payment plan through TuitionPay. There are no interest or finance charges for this plan. Your only incremental cost is the one-time $75 enrollment fee. Example of Payment Plan (forReading, Technology, Curriculum, Literacy and Learning, orMathematics programs) One-time enrollment fee (non-refundable) $75.00 Tuition/Materials/Graduation Fee $9,335.00 Divided by 19 monthly payments OR $491.31 per month Divided by 20 monthly payments $466.75 per month The monthly payment figures include tuition, materials ($8,940) and graduation fee ($395).
I tried to clean the above up as much as possible to make it legible. Not sure if it makes sense.
QUOTE(Noonan @ Mar 18 2005, 11:10 PM)
I've just been jumping through so many hoops in the past two weeks, that I'm tired of jumping for coursework that will be so trivial.
Here's directly from the 30 page .pdf I need to wade through to finish my app. BTW - 30 pages printed out get messy when the kids want to help you color them.
I tried to clean the above up as much as possible to make it legible. Not sure if it makes sense.
Here's directly from the 30 page .pdf I need to wade through to finish my app. BTW - 30 pages printed out get messy when the kids want to help you color them.
I tried to clean the above up as much as possible to make it legible. Not sure if it makes sense.
Thanks.
By word of month I've heard that an instructor might be paid anywhere from $1500-2000 for teaching a 3 credit course to 15-20 students. It's usually part time with no benefits. Do the math. These people are making huge profits.
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