Are people just saying stuff or is this real?

http://votecobb.org/recount/ohio_reports/counties/henry.php

"The Director for Fulton told me that Triad is able to reprogram the computer to count only the Presidential ballots by remote dial-up. I do not know when after the election that occurred."

Unbelievable.

We better get ready to accept the fact they've pulled off the perfect crime. And it was so easy to do the Democrats are probably the butt of jokes around the Triad water cooler. I swear we should go back to putting the "x" in the box and waiting for a day or two until every vote is hand counted. It drives me crazy that in the Ukraine the exit polls are given enough weight so the election is immediately thrown out, but in this country the exit polls were wrong, despite odds that would drive a bookie crazy.

Just remember nothing is ever lost from the computer hard drive. Just need to get access to it. The computer can have programs deleated and reprogramed but nothing is ever really gone there is always information remaining.

Yes - but when is the Democratic party going to get on the ball and demand this information...

All they'll do is swap hard drives if there ever was pressure mounted --- how are we going to get access to that info?

Who is going to puit pressure on Triad - certainly not blackwell...so that elaves the DNC and Kerry - and Kerry has wimped out on just about everyhting else recently...so why would he actually stand up for himself here.

John Kerry hasn't said much because he knows who he is dealing with. I'm sure he remembers his trip to Managua about 20 years ago when he started asking questions about the same people that are behind votergate. There are hard choices to be made here and none of them are easy.

i think it's more accurate to say that using the standard 'delete' function doesn't erase all of the information that comprised what was deleted. i believe that process simply changes part of the file identification info making the file routinely inaccessible. that's why in a period after deletion and before that part of the harddisk has been written over once again, you can usually go back with, eg., symantec Unerase or similar and recover the data.

unless these computers have been powered down and secured, these guys could have gone back and done the complete erasure that does effectively blank the remaining inaccessible 'deleted' files.

Who here is an Access and and a Visual FoxPro techie? It does have something to do with this.

I don't like the term "perfect crime," but it appears so, with the help of the media. I've come to expect bad reporting, but the worst was a report I heard yesterday on National Public Radio (NPR), which, in the past, gave info about bias in news about the former Yugoslavia. I was surprised that they said that Ohio Chief Justice Moyer (Republican) was allowed to rule, by himself, on the fairness of the election, so all the information brought by Cliff Arnebeck would be probably thrown out, and furthermore, even the Democrats were saying that they didn't find anything wrong, so there must not be any vote fraud. I know that NPR gets its news from various sources, and they are probably afraid of a cut in funding, but after that I have no urge whatsoever to send them any money. Maybe NPR did us a favor; now we know which side they stand on, and we must continue to take a stand on the other side. (When listening to Click and Clack or the Priarie Home Companion, remember that these shows were brought to you by the same lock-stop lock-down media that brings you three conservative commentators for every "liberal." I am tempted to ask Click and Clack how to fix the vote fraud; they know something about car computers.)

A friend sent an e-mail along from Tom Hartman quoting some things from Germany before WWII, saying that people wondered why more people hadn't spoken out. Little by little things got worse, so that there was not one great shock that compelled people to protest, and instead of acting to stop the wrongdoing, people were more and more confused. Also, one crime would distract people from others. For example, today, although this forum is focusing on vote fraud, there are many other areas, each so urgent that they distract and confuse people from doing anything about any of them: vote fraud, environmental disasters, torture and end of due process laws, no real investigation into what happened, including negligence, regarding 9/11/01, corporate misdeeds and no-bid contracts, world trade fiascos, water usage, plagues and the handling of healthcare around the world, etc. Is there confusion and an inability to act because of all of these issues together? Yes. And, we hardly notice that they plan to change Social Security.

I haven't been posting much. I'm still doing small Christmas gifts, but I've cut back; I just don't want to give a gift to the retail stores this year. Perhaps this is a perfect crime, against not only the country but against what religion is supposed to be about. Private health insurance and life insurance can exclude people for having pre-existing conditions, but churches who voted for Bush support his push to cut out public assistance and public healthcare. In 2004 I heard a conservative brag that he recruited people for his insurance and investment company from his church, and brag that he now lives in a large house with servants, but I never had the impression that he would have lifted a finger to help a person whose health-care problems excluded them from his insurance plans. Greed ignores others' needs, and it is greed more than anything else that seems to drive these conservatives, no matter what morals they pretend to have. I have written to church denominations about what they have to say about vote fraud; if they do not understand computer hacking, at least they might understand the difficulty and pain of waiting nine hours in the rain. I do not seek to hurt any churches in any way, but I seek to learn what they, as responsibile religious people, will say about the discrimination against minorities and poor, especially in the season when they supposedly remember that there was no room at the inn. I am looking at these holidays with mixed feelings; of sadness more than joy.

Unless, of course, every bit of the hard drive is reformatted 7-9 times. But who has time for that?

Who was the seed of that discontent where the only conviction got a small fine and a slap on the wrist? What we are seeing is a group that is gaining, or has gained control of the most powerful country in the world for their own agenda. The free voice of America is soon to fade into the past and will be replaced by a fake democracy. This is a lie no one will believe, but everyone will accept it knowing that if they try and stop it they meet a horrible destiny akin to many third world voices of freedom have met at the hands of many of ruthless dictatorships.

This group “uses” the church and “uses” big business but have no intention of supporting their wishes once they have full control of their conquest. Why do I say that? Big business and organized religion will want a share in the power and set limits to the bounds this group can stretch civil and human rights violations. And it is being done all in the name of money, their money.

Have a very merry Christmas from the Bush family; it’ll probably be your last for a very long time.

:D not exactly

thought your next post was going to be



...'unless i'm wrong!' or 'wrong on the timing'

???????

I don't know it looks like they have all their ducks lined up, 12 more months and it'll be upside down. I'm trying to see if I can find a Bush family member starting a mutual fund, or buying up one to start looting the new SSI investments. It shouldn't take them more than a year to line that golden pocket.