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ghostgovt
Recent disturbing reports about higher death counts as result of the Iraq War have been surfacing in various reports. Conflicting desertion and death figures keeps circulating giving suspicion to a possible cover-up of such actual counts. This thread is dedicated to compiling such reports that may reflect just how many findings there are concerning this matter.

The report below has [5,500 American military personnel have deserted]
[The educated rumor is that the actual death toll is in excess of 7,000.]



U.S. Military Personnel who died in German hospitals or en route to German hospitals have not previously been counted. They total about 6,210 as of 1 January, 2005. The ongoing, underreporting of the dead in Iraq, is not accurate. The DoD is deliberately reducing the figures. A review of many foreign news sites show that actual deaths are far higher than the newly reduced ones. Iraqi civilian casualties are never reported but International Red Cross, Red Crescent and UN figures indicate that as of 1 January 2005, the numbers are just under 100,000.

by Brian Harring, Domestic Intelligence Reporter

Note: There is excellent reason to believe that the Department of Defense is deliberately not reporting a significant number of the dead in Iraq. We have received copies of manifests from the MATS that show far more bodies shipped into Dover AFP than are reported officially. The educated rumor is that the actual death toll is in excess of 7,000. Given the officially acknowledged number of over 15,000 seriously wounded, this elevated death toll is far more realistic than the current 1,400+ now being officially published. When our research is complete, and watertight, we will publish the results along with the sources In addition to the evident falsification of the death rolls, at least 5,500 American military personnel have deserted, most in Ireland but more have escaped to Canada and other European countries, none of whom are inclined to cooperate with vengeful American authorities. (See TBR News of 18 February for full coverage on the mass desertions) This means that of the 158,000 U.S. military shipped to Iraq, 26,000 either deserted, were killed or seriously wounded. The DoD lists currently being very quietly circulated indicate almost 9,000 dead, over 16,000 seriously wounded and a large number of suicides, forced hospitalization for ongoing drug usage and sales, murder of Iraqi civilians and fellow soldiers , rapes, courts martial and so on – Brian Harring
underbear1
good article ghostgovt
Marine
I was wondering why you left the link off.

http://www.humiliateamerica.com/modules.ph...rticle&sid=1241

I'll help you out and provide it GG.
ghostgovt
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/feb2005/dese-f10.shtml

WSWS : News & Analysis : North America Lawyer for US deserters speaks with WSWS

It cannot be irrelevant to a soldier that a war is legal or illegal

By Lee Parsons
10 February 2005

Reports of a growing number of desertions from the US military have surfaced in recent weeks, revealing a picture of the state of the morale and support for the war among US forces that differs sharply from that provided by the Bush administration, the Pentagon and the corporate media.

At least a half dozen deserters from the US are now seeking political refugee status in Canada, but the number of deserters in Canada could be far higher. According to the US military over 5,500 personnel have deserted in the past year alone.
ghostgovt
Now I say that's pretty impressive [The most recent Pentagon figures suggest there are 5,133 troops missing from duty. Of these 2,376 are sought by the Army, 1,410 by the Navy, 1,297 by the Marines and 50 by the Air Force. Some have been missing for decades].[But campaigners say the true figure could be far higher.]




http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0516-02.htm


Monday, May 16, 2005
by the Independent/UK

The Deserters: AWOL Crisis Hits the US Forces

As the death toll of troops mounts in Iraq and Afghanistan, America's military recruiting figures have plummeted to an all-time low. Thousands of US servicemen and women are now refusing to serve their country.

by Andrew Buncombe


Sergeant Kevin Benderman cannot shake the images from his head. There are bombed villages and desperate people. There are dogs eating corpses thrown into a mass grave. And most unremitting of all, there is the image of a young Iraqi girl, no more than eight or nine, one arm severely burnt and blistered, and the sound of her screams.

Last January, these memories became too much for this veteran of the war in Iraq. Informed his unit was about to return, he told his commanders he wanted out and applied to be considered a conscientious objector. The Army refused and charged him with desertion. Last week, his case - which carries a penalty of up to seven years' imprisonment - started before a military judge at Fort Stewart in Georgia.

"If I am sincere in what I say and there's consequences because of my actions, I am prepared to stand up and take it," Sgt Benderman said. "If I have to go to prison because I don't want to kill anybody, so be it."

The case of Sgt Benderman and those of others like him has focused attention on the thousands of US troops who have gone AWOL (Absent Without Leave) since the start of President George Bush's so-called war on terror. The most recent Pentagon figures suggest there are 5,133 troops missing from duty. Of these 2,376 are sought by the Army, 1,410 by the Navy, 1,297 by the Marines and 50 by the Air Force. Some have been missing for decades.

But campaigners say the true figure could be far higher. Staff who run a volunteer hotline to help desperate soldiers and recruits who want to get out, say the number of calls has increased by 50 per cent since 9/11. Last year alone, the GI Rights Hotline took more than 30,000 calls. At present, the hotline gets 3,000 calls a month and the volunteers say that by the time a soldier or recruit dials the help-line they have almost always made up their mind to get out by one means or another.
ghostgovt
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0503/S00145.htm


Wednesday, 16 March 2005,

5500 US Deserters: We Won't Fight In Iraq

By Doug Lorimer
Green Left Weekly
From: http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2005/619/619p14.htm



CBS News reported on December 8 that the Pentagon has admitted that at least 5500 US military personnel have deserted since the war started in Iraq.
underbear1
To stop military thugs, it takes a village.



after they slaughter the entire village the country responds!
ghostgovt
Here's just another tidbit of an opinion about Brian Harring 's mission for exposing some possibilities that there are some hanky panky lies about the real death counts in Iraq via the German hospital deaths. I'm keeping an open mind on this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/arch...ption_2838.html




06.18.2005
Jim Lampley

The Ultimate Deception?

A Bush-watcher website identified as TBRNews.org is reporting under the byline of "domestic intelligence reporter" Brian Harring that the Department of Defense is using a cynical tactic to mislead the public regarding the true death toll for American military personnel in Iraq. Harring claims he has an internal pdf. file from the D.O.D. which establishes that nearly 9000 Americans have died in Operation Iraqi Freedom, but that the official number has been held to 1713 by designating as Iraq deaths only those who perish on Iraqi soil. The remainder, he says, are military personnel who have died en route to Germany or in German hospitals-- casualties of the war, but not listed in the official death toll.

If this is true it would explain the apparent statistical discrepancy between dead and wounded. A combat action which produces nearly eight times as many officially wounded-- 13000 plus-- as officially dead...well, it's not the norm. It goes without saying it would also further jolt a public majority already disturbed by the war's "progress" and eager to see the troops come home.

How to validate or invalidate Harring's incendiary claims? In his report Harring asserts he will begin publishing, in sections, the Defense Department's official list of war dead from Iraq. Relatives and other loved ones of those whose lives are gone will be asked to examine the lists to see if the names of those they've lost appear there. The Defense Department has, according to Harring, properly notified the loved ones of those who have died in Germany or en route to hospital, but has neglected to inform them that the casualty is not a part of the official death toll.

This is the way to find out, and gradually we in the blogosphere may get a picture of whether this most cruel of deceptions has really taken place. You have to hope not. But in light of everything we've learned, do you think this is beyond them? An Administration which forbids photographs of returning coffins? An Administration whose President has yet to attend a single Iraq-related funeral or memorial? It appears almost nothing is beyond them.
Gabrielle
Greg Szymanski has also picked up this story.

DOD Iraqi GI War Dead Figures In Dispute

Author: Greg Szymanski

Although Pentagon denies under reporting deaths, independent researcher says more than 7,000 GI's may have died in Iraqi combat.

Some war critics say trusting the military to report an accurate GI death toll in Iraqi is like asking a mafia boss how many people he "whacked’ this year. One number, however, not in dispute is that President Bush hasn’t attended a single military funeral, something even the most cold hearted street bosses do out of respect for the families.

Of course no one really knows how many gangster "hits" end up in New York’s East River, but there is growing speculation that Pentagon brass are taking a page out The Godfather Trilogy, using it as a quick refresher course on how to hide the bodies.

The Pentagon denies any foul play or under reporting, a military spokesman last week placing the GI death toll in Iraq at 1,725 and 193 in Afghanistan, a figure changing daily due to increased violence.

In fact, rarely a day goes by when at least one soldier isn’t killed. But the question remains exactly how many?

Pentagon spokesman Maj. Michael Shavers said "every single death" is reported in the official figure if it is deemed to occur "in the theatre" and of a "hostile" nature. He added 366 deaths have not been added to the official list since they were considered accidental or non-hostile.

"If a soldier dies in the theatre of action and it is deemed hostile, then his or her death is reported," said Maj. Shavers, adding accidental and non –hostile deaths are not counted only if totally unrelated to combat. "It should be noted that if an individual dies as a result of an injury in the theatre deemed hostile within 120 days after the injury occurred, the death is counted in the official totals no matter where he dies.

"This means if he dies on the transport airplane or in the hospital afterwards, he or she is counted in the official death toll."

But Brian Harring, an independent researcher and author preparing a book on the subject, places the military’s figures and its method of tabulating deaths in serious question.

For months, Harring has been putting together a painstaking and exhaustive research project, complete with secrete Department of Defense (DOD) documents, claiming the Pentagon has been "drastically under reporting deaths, injuries and desertions" in order to dispel war criticism.

"I have put together a comprehensive analysis of the Iraqi War from the planning stages before the war and then have broken down the actions during the war month by month. I show a chronology supported with documents…the actual death tolls are far in excess of the official ones posted by the DOD," said Harring.

Harring’s accusations starting circulating this week in an update of his work at tbrnews.org, claiming he has official DOD internal casualty lists not released which reveal the true number of Iraqi deaths, both military and civilian, as well as accurate casualty and desertion numbers.

Taking his lawyer’s advice, considering the present political climate and the passage of the Patriot Act, Harring decided it was safer not to publish the list in the U.S., opting to first release the damaging DOD documents overseas.

"Be assured that the .pdf (DOD internal) document is real, exactly as reported, but it is a huge 900-page file. As soon as it appears in the public domain overseas beyond the reach of US law, we may then legally reproduce it here in this country, and we will not hesitate to do so," said Harring about the legal complications he is encountering.

"When it is published, it will have a devastating effect on the political scene and will certainly reveal the total lack of credibility of anyone connected with the Bush administration."

Although his research is incomplete, Harring claims figures compiled to date reveal approximately 7,000 GI deaths, 100,000 Iraqi civilian deaths, 26,000 GI injuries and 5,500 desertions, all far in excess of official military reports released to the public.

"We have received copies of manifests from the MATS that show far more bodies shipped into Dover AFB than are reported official," said Harring. "When our research is complete, and watertight, we will publish the results along with the sources."

Harring is also soliciting public help for his project, asking families or friends who have lost loved ones in Iraq to check out tbrnews.org, a site that is also publishing the complete list of Iraqi dead as released by DOD.

" We have posted an official and alphabetized list of the official dead. We have asked readers to advise us of any names they might be aware of that are not on this list," added Harring.

"Since our first posting, we have received several such omitted names, seven in the first day, and to date, June 20, 2005, 38 total, and are compiling these, along with proofs of death from the DOD, which we will post when we collect a significant number - 100 or more - which cannot be dismissed by the DOD as an oversight."


However, it appears Harring’s basis for accusing the military of under reporting, at least regarding GI deaths, is in direct conflict with the official military categorization of a hostile versus non-hostile and accidental death.

Maj. Shavers said the military reports all deaths if they result from hostile injuries in the theatre if the death occurs within 120 days no matter if they die en route or in the hospital.

Harring contends otherwise, writing:

"There are many more deaths that have not appeared on the official lists because the DOD has taken to the tricky tactics of loading dying and probable fatalities onto aircraft and flying them out of Iraq to bases and hospitals outside of that country.

"So, if a GI is dying or has every expectation of dying, he or she is loaded on an aircraft and their subsequent deaths are not publicly reported as "combat deaths." Of course the families or survivors are certainly notified of the death but the public is not."
Gabrielle
Come to think of it I don't recall a single news report of a soldier who died in the hospital in Germany or died during emergency transport out of Iraq.
ghostgovt
QUOTE(Gabrielle @ Jul 3 2005, 07:23 PM)
Come to think of it I don't recall a single news report of a soldier who died in the hospital in Germany or died during emergency transport out of Iraq.
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You are very hot on the trail with that statement Gabrielle. I have tried mths ago to Google German hospitals and find such information, and it's like nothing at all exists about them and their handling of our troops. Fits into the extreme suppression of war news by BushCo doesn't it? Could you imagine if this were found out to be true along with on top of all the other suppressed real action 'news' inside Iraq and some of the other Arab countries (special ops)? Think how 'more' folks would be a little 'perturbed' to say the least.

The only thing that this thread's article(s) might be wrong is the approximation of how many may actually be killed, but I almost truly feel that we are not getting near the real death count.
Desron
QUOTE(ghostgovt @ Jul 3 2005, 07:19 PM)
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0503/S00145.htm
Wednesday, 16 March 2005,

5500 US Deserters: We Won't Fight In Iraq

By Doug Lorimer
Green Left Weekly
From: http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2005/619/619p14.htm
CBS News reported on December 8 that the Pentagon has admitted that at least 5500 US military personnel have deserted since the war started in Iraq.
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Is there any evidence that all 5500 , or even just a majority, deserted mainly for the reason they didn't want to fight in Iraq? Also, for comparison, how many deserted in the two years prior to the start of the war?
Desron
QUOTE(Gabrielle @ Jul 3 2005, 09:23 PM)
Come to think of it I don't recall a single news report of a soldier who died in the hospital in Germany or died during emergency transport out of Iraq.
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A wounded soldier may not have been transported out of Iraq until he was in stable condition.
Gabrielle
QUOTE(Desron @ Jul 4 2005, 10:30 AM)
A wounded soldier may not have been transported out of Iraq until he was in stable condition.
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Yes, but where are what seems like should have been hundreds of reports of soldiers who have died in Landstuhl? If there are officially 15,000 wounded (presumably almost all of them sent to Landstuhl) how can it be that there are only a handfull of officially reported soldier deaths in Landstuhl? Many of the deceased would have lived long enough to make it to Landstuhl via air transport. But the complication rate from infection, and other causes of mortality would be expected to be higher than just a handfull.

Does anybody know what the death rate is for trauma codes in US emergency rooms and in the trauma units post op? My guess is that when you have 15,000 injured you're going to have at least several hundred who have died in Landstuhl. At least. Most of us have seen the men who have been horribly wounded on CNN - having lost arms and legs and horrible head injuries - it's a miracle of modern medicine that so many have been saved - but modern medicine didn't save all those men. Where are they listed?
Gabrielle
http://archsurg.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/a...act/139/11/1231

QUOTE
Results  Seven thousand four hundred twenty-three severe trauma patients were recorded. Inpatient death rates decreased significantly from 21.6% in 1997 to 14.7% in 2001. The odds ratios of mortality in 1998 through 2001 vs 1997, adjusted for year, age, sex, penetrating injury, and severity of injury (Injury Severity Score >25), were 0.92, 0.89, 0.70, and 0.65, respectively, confirming the downward trend.


If we take 15,000 and multiply it by 0.15 that gives us 2,250 deceased. And that's just the percentage of wounded that should have statistically died.
Gabrielle
http://www.facs.org/news/ntdbhighlights.html

QUOTE
Most violent deaths are due to gunshot wounds, which have the highest mortality rate of all types of injury (16.2 percent).


Thus 16.2 % of the 15,000 should have died - at least 16.2% because our men are not being shot at so much as they're being blown up with high explosives - the kind that are so explosive they're used to light nuclear fuses (if I recall a long ago discussion on this thread about the missing explosives in Iraq).

15,000 * 0.162 = 2,430 deceased. And this is in my estimation a very low estimate as I've mentioned these estimates are based on gunshot wounds not high explosives, which are invariably more deadly.

And if we take the total number of reported soldiers who were hit - wounded plus officially deceased that gives us a number of 17,000 = 2,764 deceased. if we're using a 16.2% mortality rate (undoubtedly low - but how much low, I don't know).
Desron
QUOTE(Gabrielle @ Jul 4 2005, 10:53 AM)
Yes, but where are what seems like should have been hundreds of reports of soldiers who have died in Landstuhl?  If there are officially 15,000 wounded (presumably almost all of them sent to Landstuhl) how can it be that there are only a handfull of officially reported soldier deaths in Landstuhl?  Many of the deceased would have lived long enough to make it to Landstuhl via air transport.  But the complication rate from infection, and other causes of mortality would be expected to be higher than just a handfull. 

Does anybody know what the death rate is for trauma codes in US emergency rooms and in the trauma units post op?  My guess is that when you have 15,000 injured you're going to have at least several hundred who have died in Landstuhl.  At least.  Most of us have seen the men who have been horribly wounded on CNN - having lost arms and legs and horrible head injuries - it's a miracle of modern medicine that so many have been saved - but modern medicine didn't save all those men.  Where are they listed?
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The great majority of those wounded were returned to active duty and about 2500 wounded in combat were evacuated.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops..._casualties.htm

Remember that Kerry himself was wounded three times in Vietnam and he didn't miss a day of duty from thsoe wounds.
Gabrielle
QUOTE(Desron @ Jul 4 2005, 11:07 AM)
The great majority of those wounded were returned to active duty and about 2500 wounded in combat were evacuated.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops..._casualties.htm

Remember that Kerry himself was wounded three times in Vietnam and he didn't miss a day of duty from thsoe wounds.
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Desron,
As a military man, I'm sure you are aware that it is common practice for the miltary to fudge the numbers regarding wounded and deceased.

OK, I see what you're saying - many of these wounded were not traumas. There is an argument to be made that the high explosives are so deadly that the men and women don't survive long enough to make it to the helicopter for transport out of Iraq. But it is my understanding that as soon as they get on the helicopter they are no longer counted in the official war casualty list.

According to this source you cited it lists 2,442 US Army Evacuations from Iraq
Wounded In Action which is 363 deaths in Landstuhl at least according to the 16.2 % mortality for gunshot wounds. So, how many of the officially listed are said to have died in Landstuhl?
MarionMansfield
This is very interesting reading. I had just been taking the Defense Department's reports at face value. But, with this administration, I don't think we can take anything that way. I will be interested to see the follow-up on this matter. May our soldiers who have died rest in peace. God bless them and their families.
Desron
QUOTE(Gabrielle @ Jul 4 2005, 11:09 AM)
Desron,
As a military  man, I'm sure you are aware that it is common practice for the miltary to fudge the numbers regarding wounded and deceased.

OK, I see what you're saying - many of these wounded were not traumas.  There is an argument to be made that the high explosives are so deadly that the men and women don't survive long enough to make it to the helicopter for transport out of Iraq.  But it is my understanding that as soon as they get on the helicopter they are no longer counted in the official war casualty list.
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If they didn't survive long enough to make it to a helicopter, they were then probably listed as KIA.

I don't know where you got your understanding that as soon as a wounded gets on a helicopter, they are no longer counted. The site I gave a link to provides the figures for such.
MarionMansfield
The web-site I check to see the number of casualties and wounded is:

http://icasualties.org/oif/default.aspx

Please see also how they arrive at their figures:

http://icasualties.org/oif/Methodology.aspx
Gabrielle
Marion, they list 12,855 as being wounded in action. And they seem to have a very long list and a detailed one of how those injuries occurred. These don't sound like mild injuries, either, which confirms my previous suspicions regarding the nature of this war (ie high explosives). I wonder how they're classifying "injury" versus "illness" in the site Desron mentioned.

In the links to news pieces on the wounded soldiers - many paralyzed, many losing multiple limbs, with severe burns, etc. they're all transferred to Germany. Yet there are almost no reports of dead coming out of Landstuhl.
flydangler
QUOTE(Gabrielle @ Jul 4 2005, 10:58 AM)
http://archsurg.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/a...act/139/11/1231
QUOTE
Results  Seven thousand four hundred twenty-three severe trauma patients were recorded. Inpatient death rates decreased significantly from 21.6% in 1997 to 14.7% in 2001. The odds ratios of mortality in 1998 through 2001 vs 1997, adjusted for year, age, sex, penetrating injury, and severity of injury (Injury Severity Score >25), were 0.92, 0.89, 0.70, and 0.65, respectively, confirming the downward trend.
If we take 15,000 and multiply it by 0.15 that gives us 2,250 deceased. And that's just the percentage of wounded that should have statistically died.
Methinks these statistical projections are a bit bogus and/or foolhardy, maybe even wishful thinkin', eh?.

How many of them trauma patients from your AMA data were wearing protective body armor? How many were ridin' in armored vehicles? How many were immediately treated for their injuries using definitive medical means by well trained personnel? How many were quickly triaged and evacuated by helo to well equipped and staffed trauma units? Methinks you get my drift.

And of course our military is fudgin' these casualty figures, eh? (sic) A few on this site seem to want to project the most negative image of our military folks possible methinks..........

Don't you folks think things are bad enough? Do you really think wishful thinkin' and negative conjecture that they're much worse 'cause it makes you more comfortable with your ideology is better? 'Twould seem 'tis bad enough when politicians do it for political reasons, but a few here make me sick with their efforts!
Gabrielle
QUOTE(flydangler @ Jul 4 2005, 12:08 PM)
If we take 15,000 and multiply it by 0.15 that gives us 2,250 deceased.  And that's just the percentage of wounded that should have statistically died. Methinks these statistical projections are a bit bogus and/or foolhardy, maybe even wishful thinkin', eh?.

How many of them trauma patients from your AMA data were wearing protective body armor? How many were ridin' in armored vehicles? How many were immediately treated for their injuries using definitive medical means by well trained personnel? How many were quickly triaged and evacuated by helo to well equipped and staffed trauma units? Methinks you get my drift.

And of course our military is fudgin' these casualty figures, eh? (sic) A few on this site seem to want to project the most negative image of our military folks possible methinks..........

Don't you folks think things are bad enough? Do you really think wishful thinkin' and negative conjecture that they're much worse 'cause it makes you more comfortable with your ideology is better? 'Twould seem 'tis bad enough when politicians do it for political reasons, but a few here make me sick with their efforts!
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Well, for one thing, the troops in Iraq didn't always have protective body armor, as I recall. And for another thing, protective body armor doesn't stop high explosives. At least it doesn't stop it all the time and it definitely does not protect the face and frontal head. If it did and our troops had this armor at all times then we wouldn't see so many wounded and dead.

All the patients that are treated at Level I trauma centers get prompt immediate care from the best trained physicians and nurses and lab technicians and x-ray technologists, respiratory therapists, etc. in the world. I find it difficult to believe in a country like Iraq, in which the roads and other important infrastructure are in such a state of disarray, that a man could be transported through hostile territory under such conditions and arrive in as good of shape as they do when they've been in a MVA not involving a HUM-V or received a gunshot wound or other wound not involving high explosives here in the United States where our roads are comparitively pristine and for the most part you don't have to worry about IED's. I wonder who's doing the wishful thinking here, flydangler?

I'm sorry if my drive to find the truth sickens you. What I find sickening is the lies and attempts by many to look the other way. What I find sickening is our government and those in our population who find reality based living passe.
ghostgovt
Some here only wish to support the lies of BushCo in their attempts to suppress any possible information that allows us to be more aware of what is possibly really going on.... and by some going out of their way to block or obstruct information about new discoveries that exposes BushCo tactics, simply screams Bush mentalities here in this forum who are pushing the republican agendas with such double talk banter that is done for damage control in behalf of this Bush regime. All posts supporting this topic is purely legit and on the up and up to learn more about this highly suspicious possible cover-up. Any 'true' American would support these efforts to know the truth. The rest are air headed propaganda pushers best known as 'sheeple'.



This article supports the huge volume of Iraq / Afghanistan war vets injured and taken to this German hospital, Landstuhl Regional Medical Center.


http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/ledgere...ws/11770283.htm
Posted on Sun, May. 29, 2005


Hospital in Germany copes with heavy flow of wounded from Iran, Afghanistan

MATT MOORE

Associated Press

LANDSTUHL, Germany - With its quiet, winding halls, Landstuhl Regional Medical Center at first looks like just another community hospital. But it has become a front line in the Iraq and Afghan wars thousands of miles away.

The patients - young soldiers with faces lacerated by flying glass and shrapnel from exploding roadside bombs, others missing a leg or arm - shuffle by, heading for an appointment or checkup. At this military hospital, there is a constant stream of new faces.

An average of about 23 patients arrive each day - most from Iraq, where more than 12,350 soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen have been injured since the U.S.-led war began in March 2003. The flow can spike sharply, as it did during the battle for Fallujah: 537 over two days.

Fighting in Afghanistan adds more patients. Since troops arrived there in October 2001, 455 have been wounded in action through early this May, almost all of them coming to Landstuhl with injuries and wounds not normally found in a civilian hospital.

In civilian medicine, "a blast injury is a very rare event," said Army Col. Rhonda Cornum, the hospital's medical director. "Unfortunately, it's a very common thing here."

It's not just common, it's a near daily diagnosis, said Cornum, a former POW in the first Gulf War who is wrapping up nearly two years as head of the biggest overseas U.S. military hospital and preparing to return to the United States.

There was a time, years ago, when Landstuhl had to justify its existence. No longer.

"Things have changed. We used to get as many trauma victims in a year from Europe and Africa as we now do a day," said Cornum.

Though major combat in Iraq was declared over in May 2003, daily attacks by a stubborn insurgency has kept the hospital, nestled among thick woods on a hilltop that overlooks this small town, busy day and night.

Troops from Iraq arrive with a host of injuries - eyes damaged by roadside bombs or limbs shredded beyond repair - along with maladies more common to a community hospital like heart attacks, hammer toes and kidney stones.

The staff doesn't expect a slowdown.

"This place is just not what it once was," said U.S. Air Force Col. Todd Hess, the chief deputy commander of clinical services.
Gabrielle
QUOTE(flydangler @ Jul 4 2005, 12:08 PM)
Don't you folks think things are bad enough? Do you really think wishful thinkin' and negative conjecture that they're much worse 'cause it makes you more comfortable with your ideology is better? 'Twould seem 'tis bad enough when politicians do it for political reasons, but a few here make me sick with their efforts!
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How to you extrapolate from my posts that I am sitting here wishfully hoping that more men and women have been killed in Iraq than are reported officially by the Pentagon? You think I enjoy the idea of dead military men and women? You think I enjoy the idea of women raising families on their own because their fathers were killed in Iraq? You think I enjoy thinking about children who lost their mothers in this war and will have to grow up without them? You think I enjoy thinking about all the men who have lost beloved members of their military family?

You want to know my motivation? Well here it is:

I don't want the government to get away with killing more of our men than they've got the guts to admit they're sending to their deaths! For a LIE! I want the killing to STOP! And I believe when the American people know the truth about what has really been going on behind the scenes they will DEMAND that it STOP. That is why I am devoted to finding and spreading the truth. You show me numbers, you give me a well reasoned argument for why I am wrong to think the Pentagon has not lied and I will bow down to your superior assessment of the situation. Until then, do not try to strong arm me into backing down with emotional accusations that I *want* there to be more dead US soldiers.
ghostgovt
Even as this case of this particular Iraq vet shows him dying in an American hospital, would this vet be counted as an Iraq war dead coming off a serious injury in Iraq but died in our American hospital due to 'other' complications? I am suspecting that there are many such cases where war vets are extracted from a war zone and later dies of 'other' complications in another country other than the initial 'war' zone.


http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBOQV3TH9E.html
Jun 3, 2005

TAMPA - A young Marine who died while being treated at Tampa's James A. Haley VA Medical Center did not receive adequate care from staff who failed to recognize the severity of his condition, the U.S. Veterans Affairs Department concluded in a report released Thursday.

An investigation by VA's inspector general acknowledged that Lance Cpl. Jonathan Gadsden arrived at Haley ``highly compromised'' by blast injuries suffered in Iraq.

The hospital's clinical staff, however, ``simply did not grasp how inherently fragile this patient was,'' the inspector general's June 1 report stated.

With special facilities for treating spinal cord injuries and traumatic brain wounds, Haley handles not only veterans from past wars but those from Iraq and Afghanistan.

Gadsden, 21, died Oct. 22 of bacterial meningitis, two months after sustaining severe injuries to his head, chest, abdomen and back when his Humvee hit an improvised explosive device in Al Anbar province, according to the June 1 report.
ghostgovt
This article adds to the increasing tension among the ranks in Iraq, which certainly reflects shades of Vietnam all over again. I'm now trying to remember now if such deaths under Pentagon investigations are also held up in 'to date' death counts until decisions are made as to how soldiers were killed or died?


http://www.workers.org/2005/world/iraq-0623/

Was it 'fragging'?

GI casualties increase in Iraq

By Greg Butterfield
Published Jun 15, 2005 8:23 PM

First Lt. Louis Allen and Capt. Philip Esposito, two officers assigned to a New York National Guard unit in Tikrit, Iraq, were killed in their sleep on June 7. The Pentagon is investigating their deaths as a possible “fragging”—an act of retaliation by a rank-and-file soldier or soldiers.

Four explosions destroyed the room where Esposito, a company commander and Wall Street broker, and Allen, the company operations officer and son of a New York City cop, were sleeping in a presidential residence commandeered by the U.S. military. The cause of death was initially reported as “indirect fire” from a mortar attack. But by June 11, the New York Daily News reported, the Pentagon was investigating “suspicious circumstances.”

“We don’t believe their deaths were caused by an enemy combat attack,” an unnamed military source told the Daily News. “We believe there was a crime here.”

Such a “crime,” if it occurred, would mark a qualitative change in the morale of G.I.s in Iraq and the level of resistance within the U.S. military itself.
flydangler
Methinks, even though I had 30 years in military medicine and experience with the ins and outs of casualty treatment, medical evacuation, morbidity reportin' and its methodology, Gabrielle et al don't wanna hear anything more from me on this. That bein' the case would DailyKOS be an acceptable source?

'Twould seem lawnorder was nice enough to provide links to DailyKOS items here and here y'all might find educational, eh? Of course that probably don't fit in too well with the viewpoint, ideology and/or agenda of some here, so next methinks we'll be hearin' how kos has gone over to the dark side and is now a Rush listenin' Bush lovin' neocon freeper too.
Gabrielle
QUOTE(flydangler @ Jul 4 2005, 05:02 PM)
Methinks, even though I had 30 years in military medicine and experience with the ins and outs of casualty treatment, medical evacuation, morbidity reportin' and its methodology, Gabrielle et al don't wanna hear anything more from me on this.
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Flydangler,

Don't sell yourself so short as to think I don't want to hear more from you on this subject. I've got a feeling you're very well versed in both the medical treatment of combat wounded and the creative accounting practices that go into tallying up the totals. And judging whether death resulted from a "medical illness" or from "trauma" can be so subjective in the gray "real world." None of those cut and dry black and whites we have the luxury to pontificate here in our Monday morning quarterbacking. Coming from a medical field, myself, I understand how important those final numbers can be and how one must pay special attention to count them ever so correctly.

I think the problem you and I have is that I still speak "Oldspeak." And I suppose in the end - it's not actually forgery - not when we've got Goldstein (oh, I mean UBL to hunt down). It's merely "the substitution of one piece of nonsense for another."

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But actually, he thought as he re-adjusted the Ministry of Plenty's figures, it was not even forgery. It was merely the substitution of one piece of nonsense for another. Most of the material that you were dealing with had no connexion with anything in the real world, not even the kind of connexion that is contained in a direct lie. Statistics were just as much a fantasy in their original version as in their rectified version.

- George Orwell, 1984
ghostgovt
Now, from this article in the NY Daily News, does it not read that approx 4,000 out of 15,000 (war zone patients) are battle casualties, in which to me, they are suggesting DEAD. I know it's a little iffy, but it sure sounds like approx 4,000 dead.

[More than 15,000 war zone patients have already cycled through Landstuhl, nearly 13,000 from Iraq. An estimated 4,000 are classified as battle casualties; the rest have been treated for bunions and backaches, asthma and appendicitis, testicular cancer and a recent rash of viral pneumonia cases.]



http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/202419p-174685c.html
June 13, 2004

The casualties of war

Thousands of soldiers have been wounded in Iraq.
Many of the most serious cases go through Landstuhl.

Special Report

By THOMAS M. DeFRANK
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF

LANDSTUHL, Germany - For every flag-draped coffin the American people aren't allowed to see coming home from Iraq, there are at least four other casualties of war like Spec. Roy Harper they don't hear about, either.

[More than 15,000 war zone patients have already cycled through Landstuhl, nearly 13,000 from Iraq. An estimated 4,000 are classified as battle casualties; the rest have been treated for bunions and backaches, asthma and appendicitis, testicular cancer and a recent rash of viral pneumonia cases.]
Marine
QUOTE(Gabrielle @ Jul 4 2005, 09:09 AM)
Desron,
As a military  man, I'm sure you are aware that it is common practice for the miltary to fudge the numbers regarding wounded and deceased.

OK, I see what you're saying - many of these wounded were not traumas.  There is an argument to be made that the high explosives are so deadly that the men and women don't survive long enough to make it to the helicopter for transport out of Iraq.  But it is my understanding that as soon as they get on the helicopter they are no longer counted in the official war casualty list.

According to this source you cited it lists 2,442 US Army Evacuations from Iraq
Wounded In Action  which is 363 deaths in Landstuhl at least according to the 16.2 % mortality for gunshot wounds.  So, how many of the officially listed are said to have died in Landstuhl?
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Maybe it's common practice in your imagination but in the United States casualty figures aren't fudged. And if you could site a source where your understanding came from that when they get on a helicopter it somehow magically removes them from being counted as a casualty would definitely help out.
Gabrielle
QUOTE(ghostgovt @ Jul 4 2005, 07:28 PM)
[More than 15,000 war zone patients have already cycled through Landstuhl, nearly 13,000 from Iraq. An estimated 4,000 are classified as battle casualties; the rest have been treated for bunions and backaches, asthma and appendicitis, testicular cancer and a recent rash of viral pneumonia cases.]
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gg,

I find the notion that they're transporting soldiers 18 hours to Landstuhl for bunions incredible. First of all 9 out of 10 bunions occur in females. Secondly, they're usually managed successfully without operation. Below is a general run down of how soldiers are triaged in Iraq. I see no reason why anything from bunions, backaches, asthma, and even appendicitis can't be managed in a Level 3 field hospital. They've got surgeons andICU packs and all kinds of operating equipment there. It seems in someone with appendicitis, especially, you wouldn't want to transfer them 18 hours to receive treatment if you have a surgeon right in front of you. In that 18 hours the appendix could rupture.

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Right now, he explained, most American troops injured in the face and neck first receive Level 1 care, consisting of first aid and other stopgap measures provided by a combat medic in their fighting unit. They are then quickly transported to what's known as Level 2 or 3 care -- either a small, mobile medical staff following the unit, or a larger field hospital.

If more care is needed, the patient is airlifted to Landstuhl, the military's only Level 4 center outside the United States. These patients are sometimes accompanied by a surgeon, nurse and anesthesiologist in a journey that takes an average of 18 hours.



Here is an article from the New England Journal of Medicine that discusses the incredible system they've got set up on the ground in Iraq. These people can 100% operate on appendicitis. As far as I can tell the only reason to transfer a patient with appendicitis is if, in fact, the appendix has already ruptured and they are in bad shape and in need of sophisticated ICU management (which they appear to also do in the local field hospitals).

So, it seems to make sense that anyone transferred to a Level 4 (ie Landstuhl) facility has got something major going on. I suspect most of these "appendicitis, bunions, and backaches" are really undeclared traumas or perhaps more likely, they are undeclared psychiatric patients suffering from PTSD that are no longer able to function in the theater. I can see why the Pentagon would have a difficult time fessing up to either of these two scenarios. Or, they may be transferred to Landstuhl for some other reason (ie undisclosed illnesses such as outbreaks of multiresistant Acinetobacter baumanii or exposure to chemical or biological weapons, or exposure to some of the DoD's more high tech weapons) and that these are listed as "bunions, headaches, backaches and the like." It's very easy for the physician to list "bunion" instead of PTSD for admission - especially when that physician is ordered to do so by his/her superiors.

On the other hand, the NEJM article points out some important considerations that may account for the apparent decline in mortality from what we might expect considering the nature of their wounds. They've set up what is actually a pretty cool system over there in which they open up a patient, start damage control operations and leave the guy open surgically during which time he's transferred to the next level of care - the Combat Support Hospital. They get the major trauma surgeries out of the way and then leave the abdomen open and send the guy to the next level of care where the more tedious work of suturing the bowel back together (reanastomosing the bowel), etc. can take place. It's very impressive, actually.

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Today, military surgical strategy aims for damage control, not definitive repair, unless it can be done quickly. Teams pack off liver injuries, staple off perforated bowel, wash out dirty wounds — whatever is necessary to stop bleeding and control contamination without allowing the patient to lose body temperature or become coagulopathic. Surgeons seek to limit surgery to two hours or less, and then ship the patient off to a Combat Support Hospital (CSH), the next level of care. Abdomens can be left open, laparotomy pads left in, bowel unanastomosed, the patient paralyzed, sedated, and ventilated. For this approach to be successful, however, control of air space and major roadways and establishment of the next-level hospital (achieved early in Iraq but delayed in Afghanistan) are essential.


But the fact that this level of care in the field and nearby is available makes it less likely that bunions and headaches need to be sent on an 18 hour flight for short-term outpatient treatment.

After looking at everything I've seen so far, I'm leaning towards the idea that the fudged numbers are there alright - but that they are covering up something less sinister than 7,000 dead troops we haven't heard about. I suspect they're fudging the number of psychiatric wounded - for PR reasons. Americans have a good appreciation for how devastating PTSD can be after their experience with Vietnam veterans and other survivors of traumatic life events. And the military may want to keep the number of new PTSD cases to a minimum - at least as far as the official record goes. Which means these people have to be admitted for something. If I was given the task of admitting them for something other than what they were really admitted for it wouldn't be too difficult to go through a review of systems and find out they suffer from headaches and backaches (which can both be symptoms of depression and consequently of PTSD) and then list that as their reason for admission. But I can assure you that people are not really being admitted to Landstuhl for "headaches and backaches and bunions."
Marine
Ragin’ Cajun enlists with GED, goes after master’s degree
Submitted by: 2nd Marine Aircraft Wing
Story Identification #: 20057411718
Story by Sgt. Juan Vara



AL ASAD, Iraq (July 4, 2005) -- In January 1996, a young man from New Orleans enlisted in the Marine Corps without a high school diploma. Less than six years later he had a college degree and was a second lieutenant. He wasn’t done.

Taking advantage of the opportunities service members have to continue their education, 1st Lt. Jeremy A. Robinson traded his stripes and crossed rifles for gold bars almost four years ago. It wasn’t easy, but his hard work and perseverance paid off and have changed his life in ways he never imagined.

In 1994, when his mother was diagnosed with cancer, Robinson dropped out of high school and took up several jobs to sustain the family. Interested in bettering himself, he got a General Education Development certificate from the state of Louisiana and attended Delgado Community College for a year. In January 1996 he enlisted in the Marine Corps.

Upon completion of basic training at Marine Corps Recruit Depot, Parris Island, S.C., he was meritoriously promoted to private first class. He later completed Marine Combat Training, a course on basic infantry skills, where he was meritoriously promoted to lance corporal.

After becoming an aviation maintenance administrative clerk, Robinson traveled to Okinawa, Japan, and reported to Marine Medium Helicopter Squadron 265. While serving with HMM-265, without even one year in the Corps, he was promoted to corporal.

To learn more about the aircraft for which he was maintaining records, he began flying as an aerial observer on CH-46E Sea Knights. He accumulated approximately 100 flight-hours before his return to the United States.

His second unit was Marine Aviation Training Support Group 21, in Naval Air Station, Pensacola, Fla., where he served as an operations clerk. On his off time, mostly at night, he attended Pensacola Junior College.

The operations officer in the unit, a prior-enlisted Marine who had reached the rank of gunnery sergeant before becoming a warrant officer and moving up to the rank of lieutenant colonel, noticed Robinson’s interest in education.

“He noticed I was taking classes at night and knocking out my homework at lunch time and counseled me about putting in a package for [the Meritorious Enlisted Commissioning Education Program],” said Robinson.

Robinson, hungry for more knowledge, followed the advice and was one of approximately 50 corporals to get selected for the program. Prior to leaving the unit, in less than four years of service, he was promoted to sergeant.

Auburn University welcomed Robinson in 1999. In August 2001 he received a bachelor’s degree in criminal justice and was commissioned a second lieutenant.

After completing aviation maintenance officers’ school he joined Marine Aviation Logistics Squadron 26, based at Marine Corps Air Station, New River, N.C., and served as the airframes division officer.

In November 2003 he joined his current unit, Marine Medium Helicopter Squadron 264, as the maintenance material control officer. Juggling the workload of a unit that has been constantly deploying in support of Operations Enduring Freedom and Iraqi Freedom, he continued working on the aerial observer syllabus and received the aircrew wing insignia on April 1.

“That was a great feeling,” he said. “Finally finishing what I started and receiving my wings nine years later, as an officer.”

In Iraq since earlier this year, Robinson has raked up approximately 100 flight-hours with about 80 of those being in combat missions. He now wears the combat aircrew wing insignia, a device that recognizes the job done by aircrew personnel in combat.

“Flying is great,” he said. “I missed it. I got all caught up with my training but by flying here I feel like I contributed to the entire effort.”

Robinson, recently selected for promotion to captain, is scheduled to return to the U.S. and report to MALS-42 in Marietta, Ga. Not completely done with his education goals, he plans to attend law school at Georgia State University for his master’s degree.

“Why get out of the Marine Corps and go to school when you can take advantage of the programs the Marine Corps offers,” said Robinson. “[The Meritorious Enlisted Commissioning Education Program] is a great opportunity for Marines who have some college background and are looking to enhance their professional development while still wearing the uniform. The Marine Corps opened the door for me, but MECEP changed my life forever.”


- For more information about the Marine reported on in this story, please contact Sgt. Juan Vara by e-mail at varaj@acemnf-wiraq.usmc.mil -
ghostgovt
This article below, dated over a year ago, supports the growing numbers in soldiers desperation for getting out of BushCo's lie war for profits. I imagine the numbers that represents desertions today are much higher than we may imagine.



http://www.pww.org/article/articleview/5372/1/220


Soldiers say ‘I’m not going back’


Susan Webb
People's Weekly World Newspaper, 06/19/04


These days, GI rights counseling coordinator Bill Galvin is getting at least four or five calls a day from soldiers saying, “I’ve gotten orders to go to Iraq and I don’t want to go.” In the last few weeks, Galvin has seen a marked increase in the calls to his section of the GI Rights Hotline, at the Center for Conscience and War in Washington, D.C. Many are from people who have already served in Iraq and Afghanistan. “The things they have witnessed and experienced – they don’t want to do it again,” and many question the entire war policy, he told the World in a recent phone interview. People who are being sent back are saying, “Uh-uh, I’m not going.”

Galvin said his office, which handles about 10 percent of the national GI Rights Hotline calls, currently has 30 to 40 conscientious objector applicant cases pending. That doesn’t count people who requested information, or those who “find some other way out,” including going AWOL, Galvin said.

Nationally, the hotline has been getting an average of 3,000 calls a month so far this year, up from a 2,400 monthly average last year, according to GI Rights Program Coordinator Teresa Panepinto, at the Central Committee of Conscientious Objectors, based in the Bay Area.

Lenore Yarger, a GI rights counselor at Quaker House in Fayetteville, N.C., says this January her office had the largest call volume since the hotline started in 1995 – 220 calls in which counselors actually talked to people. That does not count messages for which no direct contact was made. The numbers have continued high since then, ranging from 150 to over 200 a month that “we actually talk to,” she told the World. “The highest levels are becoming more and more normal.” The callers want to know how they can get discharged from the military. Increasingly they are asking about medical and psychiatric discharges, she said. Her office is currently working with seven or eight conscientious objector applicants.

Redeployment orders are taking a tremendous toll on people, Yarger said. They may have already served in Afghanistan, then been sent to Iraq, then are being sent back again, with four months or less between. “These are people returning from combat, not liking what they’ve seen, and not wanting to go back,” she said. “What we see increasingly is, they don’t like what they’ve been asked to do and don’t want to continue.”

“It’s not just Abu Ghraib,” she added. “They’re seeing civilians and children killed. It really bothers them.” Post-traumatic stress syndrome is a growing issue, she said.

Vietnam veteran Barry Romo says his organization, Vietnam Veterans Against the War, is getting “numerous” calls and e-mails from troops asking about everything from conscientious objector status to medical discharges. A major refrain, he says, is “I don’t want to go back on a second tour.”

Army units that completed a year in combat are now being sent back for more. One Pennsylvania unit that had its Iraq deployment renewed has now served there more than 500 days straight, Romo noted. Another unit served a year in Afghanistan, came home, then 90 days later was sent to Iraq. Earlier this month the Pentagon ordered that soldiers whose service is about to end cannot leave if their units are ordered to go to Iraq or Afghanistan. Under this “stop loss” order, these soldiers will have to remain through the deployment, which could be another year or more, and up to three months after they return. An earlier “stop loss” order issued last fall applied to troops already serving in Iraq.

“It’s absolutely immoral,” Romo told the World. During the Vietnam War, people served their one year and it was over, he said. “Now, they’re facing never-ending war.” The latest stop loss order affects 40,000 people who should be able to retire or be released, he said. Instead, they are being held against their will.

Addressing President Bush, Romo asked angrily, “You keep talking about how patriotic the troops are. Why aren’t you saying there will be no back-to-back tours, no extended tours, no second tours?”

Even 30-year-plus Army “lifers” are complaining, Romo said. The e-mails he is seeing are upset about “everything from ‘war is wrong,’ to ‘I don’t want to kill people,’ to ‘I spent my time over there and I don’t want to go back.’”
ghostgovt
QUOTE(Gabrielle @ Jul 4 2005, 09:03 PM)
gg,

I find the notion that they're transporting soldiers 18 hours to Landstuhl for bunions incredible. First of all 9 out of 10 bunions occur in females.  Secondly, they're usually managed successfully without operation.  Below is a general run down of how soldiers are triaged in Iraq. I see no reason why anything from bunions, backaches, asthma, and even appendicitis can't be managed in a Level 3 field hospital.  They've got surgeons andICU packs and all kinds of operating equipment there.  It seems in someone with appendicitis, especially, you wouldn't want to transfer them 18 hours to receive treatment if you have a surgeon right in front of  you.  In that 18 hours the appendix could rupture.

After looking at everything I've seen so far, I'm leaning towards the idea that the fudged numbers are there alright - but that they are covering up something less sinister than 7,000 dead troops we haven't heard about.  I suspect they're fudging the number of psychiatric wounded - for PR reasons.  Americans have a good appreciation for how devastating PTSD can be after their experience with Vietnam veterans and other survivors of traumatic life events.  And the military may want to keep the number of new PTSD cases to a minimum - at least as far as the official record goes.  Which means these people have to be admitted for something.  If I was given the task of admitting them for something other than what they were really admitted for it wouldn't be too difficult to go through a review of systems and find out they suffer from headaches and backaches (which can both be symptoms of depression and consequently of PTSD) and then list that as their reason for admission.  But I can assure you that people are not really being admitted to Landstuhl for "headaches and backaches and bunions."
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Gabrielle, I am 100% with you there. There's just more to this story than what is being reported. Your medical expertise makes a lot of sense to me. Even in 'Nam, we had many soldiers suffering from serious abdominal mortar hits that were taken care of back at Battalion HG and with a good 50/50 chance of survival. The main killer in the field was bleeding to death and the high rate of infection especially due to the extreme heat (besides instant death due to bullits and explosions). I'm sure the very same exists in Iraq (just without the jungle humidity). If a soldier was patched up 'quick' enough in the field his survival rate was pretty good. These cases of hang nails and bad backs in these sorts of numbers (counts) in this German Hospital(s) is ridiculous, and from the Army that I remember, they did not cater to making a soldier's life comfy at all. Hell we has a few guys who had lost their minds and we still kept them in camp for many weeks.... simply holding onto them (by their fatigues) as to keep them from drifting out of camp. The Army did not let folks go home on emergency leaves (mine was refused) nor was their any shuttle that I knew of that immediately shipped us to a better place because of jungle crotch rot or blisters on the feet. We lived with it!

Another thot. If we have ooooo 15,000 + soldiers in Germany with hang nails and mental problems, I also think that such stories would be coming out by parents who are speaking out against this lie war. Would there not be some outrage about how many offsprings there are held in Germany that have become mentally ill like this because of what this Iraq War did to them on top of also being 'held' in Germany when they probably should be home in VA hospitals here? Maybe this is the case and many (Iraq vets) are shuttled into VAs here under a quiet cover, but I have yet to hear anything about it. That's hard for me to imagine that parents would not be screaming their heads off because of what has happened to their offspring in this short amount of time if so many of them are becoming Section 8s.

In my opinion I think many serious (near death) soldiers are shipped to Germany and possibly 20-50% of them are dying there and we truly may have this 'hidden' count not being made public like it should which is damage control via BushCo propaganda.
ghostgovt
In this article below, most figures are pretty much the same as discussed in this thread pertaining to the transported injured and suspected total counts to this German Hospital. Several added observations are made by Mark Benjamin, with one statement inside the [].

http://www.refusingtokill.net/USGulfWar2/w...scasualties.htm

Washington conceals US casualties in Iraq

World Socialist Website

By David Walsh
4 February 2004


The Bush administration is deliberately concealing from the American people the number and condition of US military personnel who have been wounded in Iraq. The efforts by those few politicians and media figures who have pursued the issue make this clear.

[Mark Benjamin of United Press International (UPI) has been one of the more assiduous in pursuing an accurate total of the number medically evacuated from Iraq. On December 19, Benjamin reported that in response to a request from UPI the Pentagon had provided a figure of nearly 11,000 US wounded and medical evacuations - 2,273 wounded and 8,581 medical evacuations.]



The deliberate obscuring of the human toll of the war and occupation in Iraq is an indication of considerable nervousness within the Bush administration. Despite the official claims of overwhelming popular support, the political and media establishment knows full well that opposition to this war is growing, and that an accurate picture of the wars devastating consequences would further turn the tide of public opinion.
flydangler
QUOTE(Gabrielle @ Jul 4 2005, 11:03 PM)
I find the notion that they're transporting soldiers 18 hours to Landstuhl for bunions incredible. First of all 9 out of 10 bunions occur in females.  Secondly, they're usually managed successfully without operation.  Below is a general run down of how soldiers are triaged in Iraq. I see no reason why anything from bunions, backaches, asthma, and even appendicitis can't be managed in a Level 3 field hospital.  They've got surgeons andICU packs and all kinds of operating equipment there.  It seems in someone with appendicitis, especially, you wouldn't want to transfer them 18 hours to receive treatment if you have a surgeon right in front of  you.  In that 18 hours the appendix could rupture.
First of all methinks 18 hours in the air is a gross exaggeration, eh? I'd be surprised if 'twas even half that. Even buckin' the jet stream 18 hour flights would cover maybe 8,000 miles, and Germany ain't that far away.

Methinks anybody not fit for full duty and not anticipated to return to full duty in the very near future are transferred outa theater IOT let theater medical assets concentrate on their primary function, combat trauma. 'Twould seem even post-op appy's would fall into this category, eh? At least 'twas my experience. 'Tain't as simplistic as you describe or devious as you suspect methinks.

Landstuhl ain't the only place they're sendin' medevacs. Naval Hospitals Naples and Rota are gettin' quite a few too, with Naples I believe the primary facility for NeuroPsych and cardio-vascular disease cases and Rota gettin' most internal med and tropical disease cases.
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So, it seems to make sense that anyone transferred to a Level 4 (ie Landstuhl) facility has got something major going on.  I suspect most of these "appendicitis, bunions, and backaches" are really undeclared traumas or perhaps more likely, they are undeclared psychiatric patients suffering from PTSD that are no longer able to function in the theater.  I can see why the Pentagon would have a difficult time fessing up to either of these two scenarios.
'Twould seem you're exhibiting an incomplete understanding of military medicine, and methinks reading into what you learn somethin' that really ain't there. From what I've heard from family and acquaintances still serving 'tis an entirely different story.

'Twould seem there've been plenty of articles 'bout how, for the first time ever, mental health personnel assets are bein' made available throughout the theater of operations, includin' the front lines. Methinks this has probably helped nip many PTSD and related problems with early intervention, thus lessening the severity and reducing chronic problems.

I've heard they've so depleted stateside military mental health capability by sending these assets overseas that civilian contractors are now being used here to make up for it. 'Twould seem military medicine vastly changed mental health intervention for these two conflicts, combatants now recognize and accept that early identification and treatment of these problems is necessary, and the stigma of seein' the shrink has been greatly reduced.
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After looking at everything I've seen so far, I'm leaning towards the idea that the fudged numbers are there alright - but that they are covering up something less sinister than 7,000 dead troops we haven't heard about.
Do you really believe the military would risk losing accreditation of its teaching hospitals by "fudging" these numbers? Even overseas military medical facilities must undergo periodic examination by JCHS to stay accredited, eh?

Morbidity reportin' must be done under stringent ICD standards and is constantly reviewed by outside sources. Even WHO gets involved in some areas, like tropical medicine review.

IMHO you're readin' too much into rumors and conjecture, but if it makes you feel better.........
Gabrielle
Washington conceals US casualties in Iraq

David Walsh – wsws.org February 4, 2004

The Bush administration is deliberately concealing from the American people the number and condition of US military personnel who have been wounded in Iraq. The efforts by those few politicians and media figures who have pursued the issue make this clear.

Estimates on the number of US soldiers, sailors and Marines medically evacuated from Iraq by the end of 2003 because of battlefield wounds, illness or other reasons range from 11,000 to 22,000, a staggering figure by any standard. Thousands of these young men and women have been physically or psychologically damaged for life, in turn affecting the lives of tens of thousands of family members and others. And the war in Iraq is less than one year old.

A recent piece by Daniel Zwerdling on National Public Radio (January 7) highlighted some of the difficulties in establishing the truth about US casualties. Zwerdling began by noting that few Americans seemed aware of the large number of US wounded in Iraq. He questioned a few dozen people on the street about the total number of American soldiers who had died in Iraq, and most answered more or less correctly. However, when the NPR correspondent asked about the number of US military personnel who have had to be evacuated with wounds, no one was close to the actual figure. The answers ranged from a few hundred to a thousand.

Zwerdling set about finding the actual number by contacting the appropriate government and military offices. A spokesman for Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld told him to call US Central Command in Tampa, Florida. A spokesman there informed him that only Rumsfeld’s office had such information. A spokesman for the Army provided with him the number of its personnel wounded seriously enough to be evacuated out of Iraq by the end of 2003—8,848—but he had no figures on Marines, Navy Seals or other forces. The United States Medical Command told Zwerdling they were still searching for the numbers.

Zwerdling contacted Sen. Chuck Hagel (Republican-Nebraska), a Vietnam veteran and former deputy administrator of the Veterans Administration. Hagel explained that he had been trying to obtain certain information from Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld, including the “total number of American battlefield casualties in Afghanistan and Iraq. What is the official Pentagon definition of wounded in action? What is the procedure for releasing this information in a timely way to the public and the criteria for awarding a Purple Heart [awarded to those wounded in combat or posthumously to the next of kin of those killed or those who die of wounds received in action]?”

The Nebraska senator also wanted an updated tally on the number of US military personnel who had received Purple Hearts and the dates they were awarded. Six weeks later, Hagel received the provocative reply: the Department of Defense did not have the requested information.

The information on the number of Purple Hearts awarded is significant because it speaks to the total number of battlefield casualties.

In December, Mississippi Democratic congressman Gene Taylor raised the possibility that the Pentagon was deliberately undercounting combat casualties when he brought to light the case of five members of the Mississippi National Guard who were wounded in a booby-trap bomb explosion, but whose injuries were listed as “noncombat” by the military. The truth emerged only because Taylor happened to speak to the most seriously injured of the five at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington. Taylor indicated that he would send a memo to the other members of Congress “and ask if anyone has had a similar incident.”

Other commentators have noted the discrepancy between the number of wounded in combat listed by the military and the large number of service personnel medically evacuated from Iraq, an action, one would imagine, that the military does not encourage or take lightly. In passing, for example, an article in the November 5 European edition of Stars and Stripes noted that the Landstuhl military hospital in Germany had “treated more than 7,000 injured and ill servicemembers from Iraq.” At that time, the military had recorded some 2,000 combat casualties.

The Landstuhl facility, located near the huge Ramstein US airbase, reported January 23 that the total of US medical evacuations from Iraq to Germany by the end of 2003 was 9,433. The number of hostile and “non-hostile” wounded by that point listed by the Army was approximately 2,750.

Julian Borger in the Guardian last August noted the odd imbalance between combat and “non-combat” deaths and injuries. He cited the comments of Lieut. Col. Allen DeLane, in charge of airlifting the wounded into Andrews air force base near Washington, who had already seen thousands of wounded flown in and who told National Public Radio, according to Bolger, “90 percent of injuries were directly war-related.”


US casualties mount

As casualties mounted last summer, US military officials did their best to suppress any discussion of the wounded total in particular. Only on July 10, almost four months after the launch of the invasion, CNN reported that for “the first time since the start of the war in Iraq, Pentagon officials have released the number of US troops wounded from the beginning of the war through Wednesday [July 9].”

In keeping the number of wounded from the public, the military high command was aided by the American media. Editor & Publisher Online observed in July that while deaths in combat were being reported, the many non-combat deaths were virtually ignored and the numbers of wounded, in and out of battle, were being under-reported. Questioned by E & P Online, Philip Bennett, Washington Post assistant managing editor of the foreign desk, acknowledged blandly that “There could be some inattention to [the number of injured troops].”

The sharp increase in the number of US wounded in the autumn—the official number of combat wounded alone averaged nearly 100 a week between mid-September and mid-November (lunaville.org)—made the reluctance of the military to provide figures increasingly problematic. Even the servile US media was beginning to request figures. Still the Pentagon officialdom put up as much resistance as it could.

In September 2003, the Post itself noted, “Although Central Command keeps a running total of the wounded, it releases the number only when asked—making the combat injuries of US troops in Iraq one of the untold stories in the war.”

Sen. Bob Graham of Florida, one-time candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination and ranking Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, declared around the same time that he wanted to know how many US soldiers had been wounded in Iraq, but had been unable to find out because the administration would not release the information.

An article in the October 13 New Republic by Lawrence F. Kaplan noted: “Pentagon officials have rebuked public affairs officers who release casualty figures, and, until recently, US Central Command did not regularly publicize the injured total either.” Ten days later, however, E & P Online commented, “Current injury statistics were easily obtained...through US Central Command and the Pentagon, so getting the numbers is no longer a problem.”

In that same New Republic piece, Kaplan discussed the state of many injured soldiers at Walter Reed Army Medical Center. He pointed out that modern medical technique meant that a far higher percentage of wounded soldiers now survived who would have died in previous wars. The use of Kevlar body armor had also reduced deaths. The result, however, was that many of the wounded were left with debilitating injuries, particularly amputated limbs. Because of the higher survival rate, information about the seriously wounded is essential to any accurate picture of the Iraq war.

Kaplan wrote: “The near-invisibility of the wounded has several sources. The media has always treated combat deaths as the most reliable measure of battlefield progress, while for its part the administration has been reluctant to divulge the full number of wounded.”

The number of “combat injuries,” however, is far from the whole story. That leaves out the thousands who have become physically or mentally ill in Iraq. As noted above, estimates of the real number of US servicemen and women evacuated from Iraq by the end of 2003 vary widely.

The British Observer newspaper asserted September 14 that the “true scale of American casualties in Iraq is revealed today by new figures...which show that more than 6,000 American servicemen have been evacuated for medical reasons since the beginning of the war, including more than 1,500 American soldiers who have been wounded, many seriously. The figures will shock many Americans, who believe that casualties in the war in Iraq have been relatively light.”

By the end of November, Roger Roy in the Orlando Sentinel could place the number of those “killed, wounded, injured or...ill enough to require evacuation from Iraq” at approximately 10,000. Roy noted that such figures were hard to track, “leading critics to accuse the military of underreporting casualty numbers.”

Mark Benjamin of United Press International (UPI) has been one of the more assiduous in pursuing an accurate total of the number medically evacuated from Iraq. On December 19, Benjamin reported that in response to a request from UPI the Pentagon had provided a figure of nearly 11,000 US wounded and medical evacuations—2,273 wounded and 8,581 medical evacuations.

Benjamin cited the comments of Aseneth Blackwell, former president of the Gold Star Wives of America, a support group for people who lose a spouse in war, who said the country had not seen such a total since Vietnam. “It is staggering,” she added.

Benjamin pointed out that the Pentagon’s official casualty update as of December 17 reported only 364 soldiers as “non-hostile wounded.”

The largest estimate of the number of medical evacuations from Iraq is to be found in a December 30 article by retired US Army Col. David Hackworth, “Saddam’s in the slammer, so why are we on orange?”

Hackworth writes, “Even I...was staggered when a Pentagon source gave me a copy of a Nov. 30 dispatch showing that since George W. Bush unleashed the dogs of war, our armed forces have taken 14,000 casualties in Iraqabout the number of warriors in a line tank division.” The former colonel adds that the figure “means we’ve lost the equivalent of a fighting division since March. At least 10 percent of the total number” of available personnel—135,000—“has been evacuated back to the USA!”

Lt. Col. Scott D. Ross of the US military’s Transportation Command told Hackworth that as of Christmas his “outfit had evacuated 3,255 battle-injured casualties and 18,717 non-battle injuries,” a total 21,972 servicemen and women. Ross, however, cautioned that his figure might include some of the same service members counted more than once.

The major categories of “non-battle” evacuations included orthopedic surgery, 3,907; general surgery, 1,995; internal medicine, 1,291; psychiatric, 1,167; neurology, 1,002; gynecological (mostly pregnancy-related), 491.

Hackworth concludes that “it’s safe to say that, so far, somewhere between 14,000 and 22,000 soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines have been medically evacuated” from the war zone in Iraq.

”Treated like dogs”

Once back in the US, the injured are stored in dozens of military medical facilities around the country, their existence virtually ignored by the administration, their plight largely unreported by the media.

Until a public outcry improved matters, many wounded veterans, UPI reported in October, had to wait “weeks and months for proper medical help” at military facilities such as Fort Stewart in Georgia and were “being treated like dogs,” according to one officer. The indifference of Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld to the fate of US servicemen and women is a part of their general contempt for the broad layers of the working population, Iraqi and American.

The deliberate obscuring of the human toll of the war and occupation in Iraq is an indication of considerable nervousness within the Bush administration. Despite the official claims of overwhelming popular support, the political and media establishment knows full well that opposition to this war is growing, and that an accurate picture of the war’s devastating consequences would further turn the tide of public opinion.
Gabrielle
Lessons of Vietnam

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If the US government is willing to lie about weapons of mass destruction, uranium from Niger, and a series of faked incidents in Iraq, why wouldn't they also lie about US casualties? What are the true casualty figures? Is it just slightly more than one thousand dead American soldiers, as reported, or is it two thousand, five thousand or even ten thousand? People argue that such casualties could not possibly be hidden. Why not? No one can see anymore the number of coffins coming home, as they have prohibited the media from covering it, saying that it is too distressing to military families. The United States is a large country with a widely scattered population. Unless all military families got together and compared their experiences, no one could check on true casualty figures.
Gabrielle
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EVIDENCE OF CONCEALED DEATHS?
From a reader

I have some interesting circumstantial evidence in support of the theory that the military is concealing the total number of deaths.

See this page:

http://web1.whs.osd.mil/mmid/casualty/castop.htm

On it, there's a link to an absolutely remarkable document:

http://web1.whs.osd.mil/mmid/casualty/Death_Rates.pdf

It lists ALL military deaths, and says how they happened--combat, terrorism (the Beirut marine barracks bombing, for example), homicide, suicide, etc.

But it stops in 2002.

Then, from 2003 on, we only get lists of how many people died in Operation Enduring Freedom and Operation Iraqi Freedom. No more total deaths.

Huh! I guess the military has stopped all suicides, homicides, and accidental deaths!

Or, possibly, that they don't want us to know that, despite there being only about 1,800 dead listed from OIF, the actual death rate for the military has suddenly, mysteriously spiked by almost 5,000 per year since the war began. By sheer coincidence. Really.
Gabrielle
Green Card soldiers - they're not counted in our casualty counts and may actually be buried in Iraq. Mazen Dana was a Reuters reporter killed by U.S. troops. At the time of his death he was investigating mass graves of US Green Card soldiers in Iraq.

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Hired security contractors, or mercenaries, and recruits who are not citizens who enlisted to obtain a "green card," are not counted or mentioned. A large number of the green card recruits are from Mexico and Central America. There are no organizations to look after their rights or help them once they're in Iraq. Most of them are buried in Iraq when killed.

A videotape produced and distributed by the "Majles Shora Al-Mojahideen in Fallujah," one of the most important military wings of the Iraqi resistance, showed a burial site discovered outside the Iraqi city of Samara with tens of bodies in US military body bags. The dead were dressed in US uniforms. It is estimated that as many as 40% of the US troops serving in Iraq are green card recruits.


US attacked over Green Card soldiers

16 bodies believed to be American soldiers found in mass grave in Fallujah

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Eye witnesses in Falluja have claimed this morning (Wednesday, September 22) that some civilians have detected a mass grave in the north western sector of the city containing the bodies of sixteen people of foreign appearance.



The witnesses have informed the correspondent of the German News Agency that the inhabitants of that area have detected a grave this morning at 11 a.m. local time which contained the dead bodies of 16 foreigners who have recently been killed and probably belong to American soldiers who were buried in a ditch in the North West sector of the city.

The witnesses have clarified that the identity of the dead bodies which were hitherto remained unidentified, were found to be dressed in addresses similar to those worn by local Fallujians. The style of their haircut indicated that the dead were military personnel and the colour of the hair and the face appearances suggested that they were foreigners.

The way by which these people were killed is so far unclear. An eye witness has said that the grave was detected when the local people have smelled a bad odour in the surrounding which urged them to dig up the place in order to reveal the source of the unpleasant smells.

The witnesses have also added that the local police have arrived to the scene and have prevented the civilians and journalist from approaching the grave and photographing the dead bodies.


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The US military said that soldiers had mistaken Mazen Dana'scamera for a rocket propelled grenade launcher.

The 43-year-old Palestinian was described by Reuters as one of its finest cameramen.

His death brings to 19 the number of journalists and their assistants who have died in Iraq or have gone missing since the conflict began.



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A hero killed while finding out the truth

According to Islamonline.net and other sources, Dana's family, when interviewed after the murder, had stated to investigators that Dana was murdered because he was shooting video footage of mass graves of US soldiers --- i.e., soldiers killed who were not counted in the official Pentagon casualty figures --- for a television documentary on the subject for Reuters. Just days before the murder, he told his brother that US military intelligence had been following him around continuously and that he was certain that, sooner or later, he would be killed. According to another article in aztlan.net, the mass graves in various locations in Iraq contained large numbers of Mexican nationals fighting on the US army front lines, persons who had been promised US "green cards" and even US citizenship by unscrupulous US Army recruiters if they were willing to risk almost certain combat death.


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The presence of foreigners in the U.S. military is not a new phenomenon. During the Civil War, many immigrants enlisted soon after stepping off the boat. More recently, their presence came to light after several dozen soldiers who held green cards died fighting in Iraq, and many received posthumous U.S. citizenship. Last November, President Bush signed legislation to allow foreigners serving in the U.S. military to apply for citizenship after one year of service.

    Of the 1.4 million people in the U.S. military, 40,000 are green card holders, and Santos wants badly to be one of them. In a time of recruiting woes afflicting the U.S. military, Santos said he's ready, willing and able.
Gabrielle
Are Green Card soldiers reported in casualty lists? Where are their bodies taken upon their deaths?

Migrants fight to be American
flydangler
QUOTE(Gabrielle @ Jul 5 2005, 11:50 PM)
Are Green Card soldiers reported in casualty lists?  Where are their bodies taken upon their deaths?
Methinks you'd best recheck the veracity of your sources. This green card soldier rumor has been refuted a couple times on this site recently.

With the exception of a very limited number of Filipinos (maybe 100 or so annually) entering the Navy under a special program agreed to in a treaty 'bout 60 years ago only American citizens and legal (in possession of a "Green Card") resident aliens are accepted into the U.S. military. There is no general program for others to enlist and get legal American residency status. I know 'taint from the World Socialist Web Site or the like, but my experience during two tours of recruiting support (one with the Navy in Denver and one with the Marines in Boston) where my job included verification of citizenship and/or residency of applicants gives me a bit of insight on this, eh?
QUOTE(Gabrielle @ Jul 5 2005, 11:50 PM)
Are Green Card soldiers reported in casualty lists?  Where are their bodies taken upon their deaths?

Migrants fight to be American
Methinks all U.S. military personnel are included on these lists!

As to the story you linked to, unless there's been a recent change "Green Cards" for legal resident aliens have no expiration date, eh?

Keep tryin', your posts here are at the least entertaining if nothin' else!
david sobien
Fly I think the problem here is the total lack of credibility of the Bush government. I do not believe anything they say. I assume anything is a lie unless proven otherwise. They have told so many lies that I cannot see why you are defending them. I understand the search for the truth that is going on here. I understand why. What I do not understand is your lack of disbelief in what the government has to say.
ghostgovt
Based on what now is used to guesstimate figures of the wounded and dead, I'm going to use the 1 of 8 who dies that is injured in today's war(s) that's been stated in articles. Vietnam was 1 of 4. WWII was 1 of 3.

Based on this article below, it states that over 20,000 injured have been flown to the Landstuhl facility as of Feb 2005. I've also have read that approx 12,000 wounded in Iraq were serious. Based on the 1 of 8 formula, we are possibly looking at approx 1,500 to 2,500 additional deaths seperate from the KIA counts. This also does not factor in my other question about all those who are wounded and brought to the states, to yet later die of 'other' complications or medical negligence. At this point I can see a floating figure of approx 4,000 dead due to Iraq and Afghanistan war casualties (US military).

Another question comes to my mind. Why is it so many very minor cases of illness or low class injuries are flown so far away to Germany? I would think that there's plenty of medical facilities throughout the Persian Gulf where US Milirary facilities already exists? You mean to tell me that our military spends all that money and wasted time flying guys to Germany for achey feet or the flu when all of that couldn't be handled in those facilities or at least back at the battalion infirmaries?? There's reports of about half the troops flown to Germany are returned to Iraq within 48-72 hrs!! What the hell gives here??? No wonder folks can't find the truth through the tons of BullChit and Lies. anger.gif

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/military/ja...unded_2-15.html

An overseas report from a U.S. military hospital in Germany about how the Landstuhl Regional Medical Center has treated more than 20,000 service members wounded from the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Gabrielle
QUOTE(ghostgovt @ Jul 6 2005, 08:15 AM)


This is a great find, gg!

This report says it's a 5 hour ride to Germany - not the 18 hour ride I cited from a previous source.

You notice they don't mention bunions, headaches or backaches.
SemperFidelis
I'm not sure why people here seem to want to denigrate military personnel and their actions through conjecture and wild hyperpole. It just doesn't make sense to me.

My gut says there's a plethora of negative conjecture being tossed out in the hopes that some of it may eventually be shown to possibly be true. That's an uncalled for degree of negatism towards our military and its personnel I see no good reason for and wish it would stop.

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This report says it's a 5 hour ride to Germany - not the 18 hour ride I cited from a previous source.
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It's nice to see that you've finally acknowledged at least one of the many corrections Doc flydangler has made to your assertions. Unfortunately it doesn't seem you want to give him the credit for being right when he is.

For your information he not only served in the field providing medical care to Marines and others, he also had to use the services of the medical evacuation and treatment system for serious combat wounds he received on at least three occasions that I know of. His knowledge of these systems comes from both the positions of provider and consumer, and my impression after twice having been stationed with him is that he does know his stuff in this field.
Gabrielle
US deserters flee to Canada to avoid service in Iraq
By Charles Laurence in New York
(Filed: 09/01/2005) (obviously it wasn't filed on 9/1/05)

American Army soldiers are deserting and fleeing to Canada rather than fight in Iraq, rekindling memories of the thousands of draft-dodgers who flooded north to avoid service in Vietnam.

An estimated 5,500 men and women have deserted since the invasion of Iraq, reflecting Washington's growing problems with troop morale.


Jeremy Hinzman: a 'wrong career choice'
Jeremy Hinzman, 26, from South Dakota, who deserted from the 82nd Airborne, is among those who - to the disgust of Pentagon officials - have applied for refugee status in Canada.

The United States Army treats deserters as common criminals, posting them on "wanted" lists with the FBI, state police forces and the Department of Home Security border patrols.

Hinzman said last week: "This is a criminal war and any act of violence in an unjustified conflict is an atrocity. I signed a contract for four years, and I was totally willing to fulfil it. Just not in combat arms jobs."

Hinzman, who served as a cook in Afghanistan, was due to join a fighting unit in Iraq after being refused status as a conscientious objector.

He realised that he had made the "wrong career choice" as he marched with his platoon of recruits all chanting, "Train to kill, kill we will".

He said: "At that point a light went off in my head. I was told in basic training that if I'm given an illegal or immoral order, it is my duty to disobey it. I feel that invading and occupying Iraq is an illegal and immoral thing to do.''

Pte Brandon Hughey, 19, who deserted from the 1st Cavalry Division at Fort Hood, Texas, said that he had volunteered because the army offered to pay his college fees. He began training soon after the invasion of Iraq but became disillusioned when no weapons of mass destruction were found.

"I had been willing to die to make America safe," he said. "I found out, basically, that they found no weapons of mass destruction and the claim that they made about ties to al-Qaeda was coming up short. It made me angry. I felt our lives as soldiers were being thrown away."

When he was ordered to deploy to Iraq, Hughey searched the internet for an "underground railroad" operation, through which deserting troops are helped to escape to Canada.

He was put in touch with a Quaker pacifist couple who had helped Vietnam draft-dodgers and was driven from Texas to Ontario.

The Pentagon says that the level of desertion is no higher than usual and denies that it is having difficulty persuading troops to fight. The flight to Canada is, however, an embarrassment for the military, which is suffering from a recruiting shortfall for the National Guard and the Army Reserves.

The deaths of 18 American soldiers in a suicide bomb attack in Mosul, northern Iraq, last month, was a further blow to morale. Soon after, the number of American soldiers killed since President Bush declared that large-scale combat operations were at an end passed the 1,000 mark.

Lt Col Joe Richard, a Pentagon spokesman, said that the US government wanted the deserters to be returned from Canada. "If you don't want to fight, don't join," he said.

"The men in Canada have an obligation to fulfil their military contracts and do their duty. If and when they return to this country, they will be prosecuted."

The penalty for desertion in wartime can be death. Most deserters, however, serve up to five years in a military prison before receiving a dishonourable discharge.

In order to stay in Canada, deserters must convince an immigration board that they would face not just prosecution but also "persecution" if they returned to America. Hinzman's hearing has begun in Toronto and a decision is expected next month.

During the Vietnam war an estimated 55,000 deserters or draft-dodgers fled to Canada. There were amnesties for both groups in the late 1970s under President Jimmy Carter, but many stayed.

One who did so is Jeffrey House, a Toronto-based lawyer, who represents some of the deserters. He said that at least 25 had reached Canada in recent months with the help of "railroad" organisations, and believed that the immigration board would back his clients.
Gabrielle
AWOL in America:
When Desertion is the Only Option
KATHY DOBIE / Harper's Magazine v.310, n.1858 1mar2005

AWOL, French Leave, the Grand Bounce, jumping ship, going over the hill—in every country, in every age, whenever and wherever there has been a military, there have been soldiers discharging themselves from the ranks. The Pentagon has estimated that since the start of the current conflict in Iraq, more than 5,500 U.S. military personnel have deserted, and yet we know the stories of only a unique handful, all whom have publicly stated their opposition to the war in Iraq, and some of whom have fled to Canada. The Vietnam war casts a long shadow, distorting our image of the deserter; four soldiers have gone over the Canadian border, looking for the safe haven of the Vietnam years, which no longer exists: there are no open arms for such refugees and almost no possibility of obtaining legal status. We imagine 5,500 conscientious objectors to a bloody quagmire, soldiers like Staff Sergeant Camilo Mejia, who strongly and eloquently protested the Iraq war, having actually served there and witnessed civilians killed and prisoners abused, and who was subsequently court-martialed, found guilty of desertion, and given a year in prison. But deserters rarely leave for purely political reasons. They usually just quietly return home and hope no one notices.

Last summer, I read a news account of a twenty-one-year-old man caught by the police climbing through the window of a house. It turned out to be his house, but the cops found out he was AWOL from the Army and arrested him. That story, in all its recognizable, bungling humanity, intrigued me. It brought the truth of governments waging war home to me in a way that stories of combat had not—in particular, how the ambitions and desires of powerful men and women are borne by ordinary people: restless scrapers and tomboys from West Virginia, teenage immigrants from Mexico, and juvenile delinquents from Indiana; randy boys and girls, and callous ones; the stoic, the idealist, the aimless, the boastful and the bewildered; the highly adventurous and the deeply conformist. They carry the weight.



After reading the story of the AWOL soldier sneaking into his own house, I contacted the G.I. Rights hot line, a national referral and counseling service for military personnel, and on August 23, 2004, I interviewed Robert Dove, a burly, bearded Quaker, in the Boston offices of the American Friends Service Committee, one of the groups involved with the hot line. Dove told me of getting frantic calls from the parents of recruits, and of recruits who are so appalled by basic training that they "can't eat, they literally vomit every time they put a spoon to their mouths, they're having nightmares and wetting their beds." Down in Chatham County, North Carolina, Steve and Lenore Woolford answer calls from the hot line in their home. Steve was most haunted by the soldiers who want out badly but who he can tell are not smart or self-assured enough to accomplish it; the ones who ask the same questions over and over again and want to know exactly what to say to their commanding officer. The G.I. Rights hot line introduced me to deserters willing to talk, and those soldiers put me in contact with others.

I met my first deserters in early September and over the next four months followed some of them through the process of turning themselves in and getting released from the military. They came from Indiana, Oregon, Washington, California, Georgia, Connecticut, New York, and Massachusetts. I met with the mother and sister of a Marine who was UA (Unauthorized Absence, the Navy and Marine term for AWOL) in the mother's home in Alto, Georgia, and at the Quantico base in Virginia one Sunday afternoon I met with eight deserters returned to military custody, members of the Casualty Platoon, as the Marines refer to them, since they are "lost combatants." One of the AWOL soldiers, Jeremiah Adler, offered to show me the letters he had written home from boot camp; a Marine called with weekly reports from Quantico where he awaited his court-martial or administrative release. Through these soldiers, and the counselors at the G.I. Rights hot line, I discovered that the recruiting process and the training were keys to understanding why soldiers desert, as is an overextended Army's increasingly strong grip on them.

Since the mid-1990s, the Army has been quietly struggling with a manpower crisis, as the number of desertions steadily climbed from 1,509 in 1995 to 4,739 in 2001. During this time, deserters rarely faced court-martial or punishment. The vast majority—94 percent of the 12,000 soldiers who deserted between I997 and 2001—were simply released from the Army with other-than-honorable discharges. Then, in the fall of 2001, shortly after 9/11, the U.S. Army issued a new policy regarding deserters, hoping to staunch the flow. Under the new rules, which were given little media attention, deserters were to be returned to their original military units to be evaluated and, when possible, integrated back into the ranks. It was not a policy that made the hearts of Army officers sing. As one company commander told DefenseWatch, an online newsletter for the grass-roots organization Soldiers For The Truth, "I can't afford to baby-sit problem children every day."

According to DefenseWatch, in the first few months after the policy went into effect, 190 deserters were returned to military control, 89 of those were returned to the ranks, and 101 were discharged. Statistics at the end of the military fiscal year showed the desertion numbers dropping slightly, due, at least in part, to the new policy, which reintegrated almost half the runaways back into their units. It wasn't that fewer people were leaving the military, just that fewer people were able to stay gone.

Then we invaded Iraq, and as the war there rages on, the military has had to evacuate an estimated 50,000 troops: the dead and the wounded, combat- and non-combat-related casualties. Those soldiers must be replaced—and we're committed to sending in even more. The pressure to hold on to as many troops as possible has only increased, as is painfully evident in internal memos such as this one from Major General Claude A. Williams of the Army National Guard, dated May 2004: "Effective immediately, I am holding commanders at all levels accountable for controlling manageable losses." The memo goes on to say that commanders must retain at least 85 percent of soldiers who are scheduled to end their active duty, 90 percent of soldiers scheduled to ship for Initial Entry Training, and "execute the AWOL recovery procedures for every AWOL soldier." The military has issued stop-loss orders, dug deep into the ranks of reservists and guardsmen, extended tours of duty, and made it harder for recruits and active-duty personnel to get out through administrative means. According to the military's own research, this will result in more people going AWOL.

In the summer of 2002, the U.S. Army Research Institute for the Behavioral and Social Sciences released a study titled "What We Know About AWOL and Desertion." "Although the problem of AWOL/desertion is fairly constant, it tends to increase in magnitude during wartime—when the Army tends to increase its demands for troops and to lower its enlistment standards to meet that need. It can also increase during times, such as now, when the Army is attempting to restrict the ways that soldiers can exit service through administrative channels." In other words, close the door, and they will leave by the window.

At the G.I. Rights hot line, the desperation is obvious; the number of people calling in for help has almost doubled from 17,000 in 200I to 33,000 in the last year. The majority of the calls are from people who want out of the military—soldiers with untreated injuries or urgent family problems, combat veterans who have developed a deep revulsion to war, National Guardsmen primed to deal with hurricanes, blizzards, and floods but not fighting overseas, and inactive reservists who have already served, started families and careers, and never expected to be called up again. And there are recruits—many, many recruits—who have decided, in a sentiment heard hundreds of times by the people manning the phones, "The Army's just not for me." Some of these callers were thinking about going AWOL; others had already left and wanted to know what could happen to them and what they should do next.

Soldiers who go AWOL have either panicked and see no other way out of their difficulties or are well-informed and know that deserting is sometimes the quickest, surest route out of the military. A soldier may not be eligible for a hardship or medical discharge, for instance, but he knows he wants out. He may not even be aware of the discharges available to him. Young, raw recruits, in particular, know only what their drill sergeants tell them. Counselors at the G.I. Rights hot line describe cases in which a recruit will ask about applying for a discharge and be told flatly by his drill sergeant, "Forget about it. Don't even think of applying. You're not getting out." Conscientious-objector applications have more than tripled since operations began in Iraq, but they take on average a year and a half to process, and then, quite often, are denied.

In the Army study, which examined data from World War II, Korea, Vietnam, and the years 1997-2001, it was found that deserters are more likely to be younger when they enlist, less educated, to come from "broken homes," and to have "engaged in delinquent behavior" prior to enlisting. In other words, they are both vulnerable and rebellious. During the Vietnam war, enlisted men were far more likely to desert than those who were drafted. Perhaps they had higher expectations of Army life, or perhaps a man who volunteers for service feels like he has some sense of control over his fate, a feeling a draftee could hardly share. Only 12 percent of the Vietnam-era deserters left specifically because of the war, according to the same study. Then, as now, most soldiers take off because of family problems, financial difficulties, and what the Army obliquely calls "failure to adapt" to military life and "issues with chain of command." Almost all of the deserters I spoke to described the kind of person they thought succeeded in the military as "an alpha male type who can take orders real well," as one Marine put it. "If you can't do both? Don't join." Physical aggression and mental docility might seem an unlikely pairing, but as the military historian Gwynne Dyer wrote in his book titled, simply, War, "Basic training has been essentially the same in every army in every age, because it works with the same raw material that's always there in teenage boys: a fair amount of aggression, a strong tendency to hang around in groups, and an absolute desperate desire to fit in."



It's hard for me to be myself here. There's no room for dissent among the guys. Everywhere you listen you hear an abundant amount of B.S., a few beds over an obnoxious redneck has a crowd around him as he details a 3 some that he recently had. The vocabulary is much different here. The bathroom is called the latrine, food is called chow, women are hitches, sex is ass. . . . These people want to go to war and kill. It is that simple."

—From a letter home,
Jeremiah Adler

Jeremiah Adler arrives at my door in Brooklyn in late September, four days after he escaped Fort Benning, Georgia, with another Army recruit. At ten at night, while a friend on guard duty looked the other way, the boys took off out of the barracks, making a thirty-yard dash into the surrounding forest. They had no clue as to where they were. After an hour they heard sirens blasting, and then the baying of dogs. They spent five hours in the woods, following a bright patch in the sky that they rightly assumed to be the city of Columbus. When they finally reached the road, they saw cop cars zipping past them, lights flashing in the dark. It was terribly exciting, though the morning he arrives at my house he seems spent. Jeremiah and I had spoken for the first time the day before. He was hiding out at a friend's house in Atlanta, ready to hop the next plane home to Portland, Oregon, but he agreed to meet with me in New York first.

Jeremiah is slight, and his blue-green eyes seem unusually large, though that could be the effect of his shorn head. He has full lips and a fine-boned face that could easily become gaunt. He's eighteen, a deeply earnest eighteen, with a dry sense of humor. He has an odd habit for someone so young of sighing often, and wearily. He's also very hungry. We order a cheese pizza because he does not eat meat.

When Jeremiah announced his intention to join the military he took everyone who knew him in Portland by surprise. "He was raised in a pacifist, macrobiotic house," his mother exclaims. "He went to Waldorf schools. Here is a kid who's never even had a bite of animal flesh in his life!" Jeremiah had protested the Iraq war, in fact. He spent most of his senior year in high school convincing his family and what he and his mother call his "community"—a tightly knit group of families connected by the Portland Waldorf School and Rudolf Steiner's nontraditional philosophy of education—that joining the military was the right thing for him to do.

In the spring of his senior year, Jeremiah went on a "vision quest," hiking into an area called Eagle Creek, which was still covered in snow. There he made a video explaining his reasons for joining the Army. He sits on the ground facing the camera but looking off into the woods as he talks. He starts by making a case for the military being a tool for change, a possible force for good. But, "if you have a bunch of bloodthirsty young men with an I.Q. of twenty-three in the military, that's what the military's gonna be—until other people, other intelligent people with morals and values and convictions and ideals [join up]. Most people hate the military. Is the answer to distance yourself as far as you can and just protest all the time? What am I doing? I don't know anyone in the military. Neither do any of you. It takes a lot more balls for me to join the military than it does for one of you guys to go to a forty-grand liberal-arts school. Is that a huge step? You're gonna be around more open-minded people like yourself. You're not gonna experience any diversity there."

In this taped explanation he leaves out one reason for joining the Army, a reason that perhaps was too amorphous to put into words, or too personal, not something he felt the folks at Waldorf would understand. "My mom was single until I was eight years old," he tells me. "My entire life I was raised sensitive and compassionate. I have a craving for a sense of machoness, honestly. A sense of toughness." He remembers the first time he thought the military was "cool"—watching Top Gun at ten years old. Then in his senior year of high school, the recruiting commercials became a siren call. "I mean, it's an ingenious marketing campaign. It goes straight to an eighteen-year-old male's testosterone. You see them and you're almost sexually aroused," he says. He wanted to kick past the cocoon of family and community, to know how other people thought and lived. He wanted a coming-of-age ritual—his vision quest, which had ended with the insight "solitude sucks," didn't quite fill the bill. He wanted to become a man. Jeremiah took a year convincing his friends, family, and community, and yet within seventy-two hours of arriving at Fort Benning he was writing a letter home that began, "Hello All, You have got to get me out of here."



The recruits arrived at Reception Battalion at Fort Benning on September 16 close to midnight, completely disoriented. During the next seven days they were introduced to military life: First, their heads were shaved, a ritual that signifies the loss of one's individual identity, and was historically used to control lice and identify deserters. Then the recruits were issued boots, gear, and military I.D. They were taught how to march and stand at attention, made to recite the Soldier's Creed again and again, yelled at, incited, insulted, and then shipped to basic training; that is, put on a bus and sent to a training barracks at another location in Fort Benning.

The first day of Reception, the recruits should have been so busy and harassed that they wouldn't have had time for second thoughts or regrets, but Hurricane Ivan was sweeping through Georgia, and they were confined to their barracks—104 young men, all keyed up, all on edge, about to embark on some mysterious journey, some awesome transformation that involved uniforms, mud, and guns. There was a constant jockeying for power, fights narrowly averted, a lot of enthusiasm for battle, for killing, or at least the pretense of enthusiasm. When Jeremiah suggested it might be better to wound someone than to kill him, he was quickly put in his place. ""expletive deleted" that. I'm putting two in the chest, one in the head just like I'm going to be trained to do."

The men in the barracks were whiter, poorer, and less educated than Jeremiah had expected. Guys who could barely read were astonished that Jeremiah had enlisted even though he'd been accepted at the University of Oregon. Skin-heads, exskinheads perhaps (since active participation by soldiers in extremist groups is prohibited), showed off their tattoos—one had been told by his recruiter to say that his swastika tattoo was a "force directional signal." There were guys who had done jail time, though Jeremiah quickly adds, "Not that they're bad people by any means, but it kind of shows you the type of person they're recruiting."

The next day, a sergeant addressed the recruits with a speech that Jeremiah says he'll never forget. "You know, when I joined the Army nine years ago people would always ask me why I joined. Did I do it for college money? Did I do it for women? People never understood. I wanted to join the Army because I wanted to go shoot mother"expletive deleted"ers." The room erupted in hoots and hollers. A drill sergeant said something about an Iraqi coming up to them screaming, "Ah-la-la-la-la!" in a high-pitched voice, and how he would have to be killed. After that, all Arabs were referred to by this battle cry—the ah-la-la-la-las. In the barracks, they played war. One recruit would come out of the shower wearing a towel on his head, screaming, "Ah-la-la-la-la!" and the other recruits would pretend to shoot him dead. Jeremiah thought, "Oh my God, what am I doing here?"

That evening he wrote his first letter home, beginning with the word "Wow."

"I'm horrified by some of the things that they talk about. If you were in the civilian world and openly talked about killing people you would be an outcast, but here people openly talk about it, like it's going to be fun." In his second letter, written while he was doing guard duty, he tells his parents how sad the barracks are at night. "You can hear people trying to make sure no one hears them cry under their covers."

On his third day, Jeremiah went to one of the drill sergeants and told him, "I'm sorry, the military's not for me. For whatever reason, I'm not willing to kill. I had the idealistic view that it was more than that, and I realize, since coming here, that it's not." The sergeant stared at him. "Do you know what would happen if you came in here and talked to me fifty, a hundred years ago?"

"Yeah, but we're not living back then," Jeremiah replied. The sergeant said that was a shame, because if he had a 9-millimeter pistol, he'd shoot Jeremiah right then and there. The sergeant dared Jeremiah to refuse to ship, saying he would be sent to jail, that he, personally, would make an example of him.

So Jeremiah cooked up a plan with another unhappy recruit to pretend they were gay. That plan went about as badly as it could have—five drill sergeants questioned them, called them disgusting perverts, but refused to discharge either Jeremiah or his friend. Jeremiah was now stuck in one of the most macho and homophobic environments as a gay man, or, more bewilderingly, as a fake gay man. He had tried to get help from the military chaplain, who cited Bible passages proving that God was against murder, not killing, and told Jeremiah that Iraqis were running up to American troops requesting Bibles.

In his last letter home, written on his sixth day, Jeremiah's handwriting disintegrates; "HELP ME" is scrawled across one page. He was due to ship to basic training in the morning. He had decided to refuse. "I've heard that they try to intimidate you, ganging up on you, threatening you. I heard that they will throw your bags on the bus, and almost force you on. See what I am up against? I have nothing on my side.... I am so "expletive deleted"ed up right now. ... I feel that if I stay here much longer I am not going to be the same person anymore. I have to GO. Please help.... Every minute you sit at home I am stuck in a shithole, stripped of self-respect, pride, will, hope, love, faith, worth, everything. Everything I have ever held dear has been taken away. This "expletive deleted"s with your head. . . . This makes you believe you ARE worthless "expletive deleted". Please help. By the time you get this, things will be worse."

After getting some information from his mother on a secretive call home, Jeremiah wrote a letter requesting Entry Level Separation from the Army, citing his aversion to killing. Entry Level Separation, which exists for the convenience of the Army, allows for the discharge of soldiers who are obviously not cut out for military service. The Army has to provide an exit route for inept, unhealthy, depressed, even suicidal soldiers, but at the same time it doesn't want to open what might turn out to be floodgates, so soldiers cannot themselves apply for ELS, and rarely even know about its existence. The Reception Battalion commander told Jeremiah that if he refused to ship, he would do everything in his power to court-martial him. Then the drill sergeants had their turn. One in particular was apoplectic. "He started screaming at me about how killing is the ultimate thrill in life and every single man wants to kill. Regardless of what you think you believe, it's every man's job to kill, it's the greatest high, it's our animal instinct, our animal desire."

When he refused to ship (he locked his duffel bag to his bed so it couldn't be thrown on the bus), Jeremiah was sent to Excess Barracks. About twenty other recruits were there, each of them trying to get out. It was at Excess Barracks that Jeremiah first got the idea to go AWOL, because there were people there who had done it already. On his ninth day at Fort Benning, he and another recruit, Ryan Gibson, decided to leave. They got all suited up—"a Rambo-like moment" is how Jeremiah describes it. "I'm not gonna lie, we were really excited," he says. "We were finally going to be able to go out into the woods and do something. Even if the only commando stuff we ever did in our entire Army career was escaping from the Army, we were still excited about it."

When Ryan arrived home in Indiana, his mother threatened to report him to the police unless he returned to Fort Benning. So Ryan did return, but he left again two days later, this time taking two other recruits with him. When Jeremiah arrived home in Portland, he told his mother, "Well, Mom, I guess I'm going to have to find a different way to become a man besides learning to kill."



Jeremiah is hardly the only recruit to arrive at basic training or boot camp and realize, for the first time, that he is there to learn how to kill. And that he can't or won't do it. Many civilians wonder how that can be: They're joining the Army, for God's sake, they've enlisted in the Marines, what did they expect? It is too simple an answer just to say that the recruiters don't mention killing, though they don't, and that they sell the military as a career or educational opportunity to high schoolers, which they do. You have to understand that after all the soft, inspiring talk of educational opportunities, financial bonuses, job skills, cool gear, and easy sex from uniform-loving girls and German prostitutes, recruits arrive at boot camp and are assaulted by a completely different reality. Basic training is a shock, and purposefully so. In a matter of weeks the military must take teenagers from what Gwynne Dyer calls "the most extravagantly individualistic civilian society" and turn them into soldiers; that is, selfless, obedient fighters with an intense loyalty to each other, for ultimately that is why they will risk death, not for their country or some high-flown ideal but for their comrades. "We" must replace "I." Most importantly, the military must turn them into killers, for that is how you win battles, and how you survive them.

Despite our entertainment industry telling us otherwise, it is not easy to kill. In his ground-breaking and highly influential study of World War II firing rates, S.L.A. Marshall, a World War I combatant and chief historian for the European Theater of Operations during World War II, interviewed soldiers fresh from battle and found that only 15 to 20 percent of the combat infantry were willing to fire their weapons, and that was true even when their life or the lives of their comrades were threatened. When Medical Corp psychiatrists studied combat fatigue cases in the European Theater, they found that "fear of killing, rather than fear of being killed, was the most common cause of battle failure in the individual," Marshall reported. Marshall's methodology is now in question, but his findings have been replicated in studies of Civil War and World War I battles, even in recreations of Napoleonic wars. And the effect of his findings on the military has been profound. As Lieutenant Colonel Dave Grossman notes in his book On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society, "A firing rate of 15 to 20 percent among soldiers is like having a literacy rate of 15 to 20 percent among proofreaders. Once those in authority realized the existence and magnitude of the problem, it was only a matter of time until they solved it."

By the Korean War, the firing rate had gone up to 55 percent; in the Vietnam war, it was around 90 to 95 percent. How did the military achieve this? As Grossman writes, "Since World War II, a new era has quietly dawned in modern warfare: an era of psychological warfare—psychological warfare conducted not upon the enemy, but upon one's own troops. ... The triad of methods used to achieve this remarkable increase in killing are desensitization, conditioning, and denial defense mechanisms."

Training techniques became more realistic and varied. Soldiers no longer stood and fired at a nonmoving target. They were fully suited up, down in foxholes, and shooting at moving targets, targets that resembled other humans. Simultaneously, the "enemy," whether North Korean, North Vietnamese, Russian, or Arab, was purposefully dehumanized. Killing people was described graphically, and with relish. As Dyer notes, most recruits realize the bloodthirsty talk of drill sergeants is hyperbole, but it still serves to desensitize them to the suffering of an "enemy."

So the answer to the question "How could they not know that they were there to learn how to kill?" is another question: "How could they even begin to comprehend what that meant?" Before they've even seen combat, these young men and women, most of them teenagers, will be pushed to break through a psychological, cultural, and moral resistance to killing, an experience that is hard to imagine. A twenty-three-year-old deserter from Washington State, whom I'll call Clay, since he's still AWOL, says, "'Stressful' is not the word. It's an understatement. It tears at your mind." Clay, who went AWOL in November, was excruciatingly aware of the effect of his training: "After they broke me down, I was having a lot of conflicts with what they were trying to build me back up into. I mean, good Lord, these people told me, if need be, I might have to kill children."

Clay joined the Army to get away from what he calls "a militant AA group" and a troubled relationship with a girlfriend. He was working off the books for a small fencing company, and the Army recruiter was "throwing all this money at me." In five weeks he wrapped up his messy life—gave notice on his apartment, quit his girlfriend and his AA group, lost sixty pounds, took and passed his GED—and swore in to the U.S. Army.

By the sixth week of training, Clay realized not only that he could kill but that he wanted to. "Spiritually and mentally, man, I was off. I wanted to kill something. Mainly the drill sergeants, hut it was had. I was very angry. I started to see the process within myself, that transition from civilian to mindless killer. It just didn't sit right with me. And it scared me." Clay decided to leave. A high-ranking but highly embittered NCO actually smuggled him off base.

That soldiers flee out of fear of combat is another myth; not that some don't, but they are, strangely enough, a minority. Of the deserters I talked to, only Clay mentioned his fear of death. After his drill sergeant showed his platoon photos of an American lieutenant blown to bits, splattered all over the side of a Humvee, "no piece of him bigger than a cigarette pack," Clay suddenly thought about being around to raise a family. "And I started thinking about the possibility that I might not come back." He's gone AWOL twice now. He left from basic training, returned home, and twenty-six days later turned himself in at Fort Lewis, Washington, where he met Jeremiah, who gave him my phone number. From there he was sent to Fort Sill, Oklahoma. At Fort Sill he was told that he would be shipped back to Fort Benning, so he took off again. He had turned himself in too soon.


After thirty days of being AWOL, a soldier is dropped from the rolls and classified as a deserter—administratively, not legally, for that takes a court-martial. At that point, a federal warrant is issued for his arrest. The Army doesn't have the manpower to chase and apprehend deserters, so unless they get picked up for some other offense—stopped by the local cops for running a red light, for instance—they can often live life unhindered (but not necessarily unhaunted) for weeks, months, even years. Recently in New York City, a forty-three-year-old Marine deserter got into an argument with a deli owner about the difference between smoked and honey-basted turkey. The deli owner called the Marine a ""epithet deleted"." The Marine told him to step outside. They were slugging it out on the sidewalk when the cops pulled up. They ran the Marine's driver's license, found the federal warrant for his arrest, and called the Marines, who came and got him and drove him down to Quantico, where he now awaits processing. He'd been AWOL for twenty-four years.

Once a deserter is apprehended or turns himself in, he can be returned to his unit, or court-martialed and given jail time, or given nonjudicial punishment and an other-than-honorable discharge. As a rule of thumb, the less time and money the military has invested in someone, the less interested it is in keeping that person. If you're going to leave, then, leave sooner rather than later, and when you leave, stay gone long enough to be dropped from the rolls. If you turn yourself in before being dropped from the rolls, you'll be returned to your command. And it's always better to turn yourself in than to be caught—you want to show that your intention wasn't to stay gone forever. So you have to prove that you are dead serious about leaving the military while simultaneously proving that you weren't planning on leaving for good.



Matt Burke, a Navy veteran and Army deserter, whom I met in October, left the military because of an injury, a recruiter's lie, and because there was better pay—and working conditions—somewhere else. Matt is pro-military, pro-Bush, though, he says, "Your readers won't want to hear that, I'm sure." He describes his recent court-martial as the Army's chance to ream him and his subsequent jail time as "interesting." He has a bland, limited vocabulary for the good times in his life, and a much grittier one for the bad—getting shafted, screwed, kicked in the nuts. He tells his story as straight as he can, without much emotion and no self-pity. He doesn't want his real name used because only his immediate family knows about his going AWOL, and his parents thought he was "as dumb as "expletive deleted"" to desert the Army.

Blond, trim, seemingly buttoned-down but with a gleam in his eye, Matt is the youngest son of a large Irish-Catholic family. He says frankly that he had a "bad upbringing," and by that he means he was raised to care about job security above all else. He joined the Navy straight out of high school, at seventeen. He wasn't a good student; there was little chance of his getting into a decent college and no chance of a scholarship. He had family members in the military; it wasn't an unfamiliar option for him. He did his four years of active duty and loved it. When he returned to his New England hometown, he attended college, where he studied business. After two years as an accountant in the civilian world, he began to miss the military. So he decided to sign up for the Army's Officer's Candidate School.

Matt had one worry. He knew that after three months of basic training and then another three at OCS, the chances of getting injured were high. He asked the recruiter what would happen if he got hurt and couldn't make it through OCS. He was determined to serve in the Army only as an officer; he had already done his time, and he now had a college education, a good-paying job. The recruiter told him that because of his prior service, he wouldn't have to serve the remainder of his three-year contract; he would be discharged. Later, Matt would kick himself for not getting it in writing. "So that's the thing that got me screwed, trusting him," Matt says. He thought the recruiter wouldn't lie to him: he wasn't some green high school kid. "I thought me being in prior service, he'd recognize that, and he knows that I know he's a salesperson basically. But he still ended up giving me the shaft."

At the G.I. Rights hot line they've heard hundreds of stories involving recruiters' lies. Jeremiah was told he could attend college after he finished basic training, and that he wouldn't be deployed until he graduated. One of the most common lies told by recruiters is that it's easy to get out of the military if you change your mind. But once they arrive at training, the recruits are told there's no exit, period—and if you try to leave, you'll be court-martialed and serve ten years in the brig, you'll never be able to get a good job or a bank loan, and this will follow you around like a felony conviction. This misinformation may keep some scared and unhappy soldiers from leaving—some may even turn out to be suffering from no more than a severe bout of homesickness—but it pushes others to the point of desperation. They purposefully injure themselves or become clinically depressed; they try to kill themselves or set out to fail the drug test; or they lie, saying they're gay, suicidal, asthmatic, or murderous. And, of course, they go AWOL.

None of this behavior, the lies or the pressure tactics, is particularly surprising. Recruiters are under tremendous pressure to meet year-end recruiting goals, which are essentially set by Congress. (Congress mandates the actual number of soldiers required to be on active duty at the end of the recruiting year.) Failure to meet their "mission" can affect job promotion, pay, even the ability to stay in the Army until retirement. When the fiscal year ends in September, if Recruiting command hasn't met its quota, it shifts the ship dates of soldiers in the Delayed Entry Program (DEP)—soldiers due to ship to training in October and November often are rescheduled to ship in the last week of September. Recruiting command can then report favorably to Congress, but the recruiters have to scramble even harder to make up for those lost numbers in the coming year.

What is puzzling is the fact that so many people believe the recruiters, believe even the most outrageous lies. High schoolers and their parents. Diane Stanley, the mother of a UA Marine named Jarred whom I met with in her trailer home in Alto, Georgia, told me that the recruiter promised her and her son that he wouldn't be sent overseas. He would, in fact, be stationed close to home in Kentucky. We were at war in Iraq, and still they believed this. The recruiter was sitting at their kitchen table, drinking her coffee, a man she describes as being "super nice." He told the lie then and repeated it every time she asked for reassurance. She trusted him.

Most people simply have a hard time wrapping their minds around the fact that someone would look straight at them and tell a bald-faced lie, especially when that someone is in uniform, representing the United States government, and has visited their homes and been "a part of our family," as Jeremiah's mother puts it. The recruiter had often dined at the Adler house; he attended Jeremiah's high-school graduation. And there's no denying that many parents who want their children, particularly their sons, to grow up and find some sense of purpose and responsibility have magical thinking when it comes to the military.

When I spoke with Douglas Smith of the U.S. Army Recruiting Command's Public Affairs Office, he said he found the lies told to Jeremiah, Matt, and Jarred far too outrageous to believe that any recruiter would tell them. Smith told me that recruiters rely on a good relationship with the community, and recruiting itself relies on satisfied, enthusiastic graduates of basic training promoting the service back home. Recruiters may talk of "possibilities," Smith suggested, that a recruit may hear as promises, such as large student loans that are available only to qualified recruits. His advice was that recruits need to read their contracts carefully before signing them; if the recruiter's "possibilities" are not written into the contract, they don't exist.



In the last few weeks of basic training, Matt pulled a knee ligament, but he "sucked it up" and graduated. At OCS, his knee injury grew worse until he was no longer able to run. After a few visits to sick bay, he was booted out of OCS for missing too many training days. He was put in a holding company, and there he waited with other injured or rejected OCS candidates to receive orders to go to enlisted training. He was Army property. He had three years of a contract to fulfill. He would be trained in a Military Occupational Specialty (MOS) that fit the needs of the Army—these days the military seems to be short MPs and truck drivers. He was angry.

When Matt went home on leave, he didn't go back. After discussing his case with people on the G.I. Rights hot line, he waited the thirty-plus days until he was dropped from the rolls and declared a deserter, then he traveled to Fort Sill, Oklahoma to turn himself in. The treatment at Fort Sill was "very routine, very professional," Matt says. Except for him and one other young recruit, all of the other deserters were quickly processed out. Matt's command wanted him back at Fort Benning so that they could court-martial him. "I was from an OCS battalion, and I think at that same time the war in Iraq was peaking, so I think they felt they couldn't just let me go. They had to bring me back and give me the shaft as best they could, to set an example."

He was flown to Fort Benning, waited for a month and a half for his court-martial, and after a ten-minute proceeding was given a one-month jail sentence and an other-than-honorable discharge. He served his time in a county jail, cheaper for the Army than shipping him to the nearest Army brig in Pensacola, Florida. There, Matt says, he was locked up with a bunch of "colorful characters"—drug dealers with meth labs in their basements, indicted murderers.



Jason Lane tramps out of the forest wearing a blue bandanna, a black sweater, and a bulky Marine-issue backpack. He's neither short nor tall, more thick than thin, dark-haired, dark-eyed, with an expressive face. "Hey! How yah doin'?" His voice booms, as if he's speaking through a megaphone, and in any given word there are more inflections than there are syllables. It's a strange moment. Meeting a Marine deserter in the Virginia woods fits my dramatic image of the situation, but the Marine himself, an affable nineteen-year-old from Connecticut with a high tolerance for chaos, seems entirely familiar.

It's a brilliant September day in Triangle, Virginia; cool, bright air, a piercing blue sky. At the picnic area of Prince William Forest Park, one couple in business suits eats their lunch and an old man reads a newspaper. Otherwise, the park seems spectacularly empty of humans, all I7,000 acres of it. One mile away is the big statue of Iwo Jima that marks the entrance to the Quantico Marine base. Jason, whose name has been changed because he is currently in military custody, deserted the Marines on August I, leaving Camp Geiger in North Carolina and heading home to Connecticut. When he decided to turn himself in, he chose Quantico because he heard deserters were treated more fairly there than at Camp Geiger. Jason took a bus down here, arriving yesterday afternoon, but instead of walking to the base, he walked into the forest. He needed some time, he says.

Jason's mother married a Navy man, but she adores the Marines, and she always told Jason he would make a great one. Right before he went UA, Jason tried to explain to her that you could be good at something and still not want to do it. They were so proud at his graduation from boot camp, he tells me. And now? "It's horrible," he says. "It's very horrible. I can't even face them. It kind of makes me wish I never even left." Still, he calls his decision to join the Marines last winter "stupid," and his decision to go UA "stupid but right." At the end of the day, I bought him some snacks and Gatorade and left him at the picnic area as the sun was going down. The temperature dropped hard that night, so he spent it crouched under a hand dryer in the rest room, reaching up to turn it on every time it shut off. On the third night, Jason left the forest and simply started to walk—through the town of Triangle and on to Dumfries, and beyond, and then back again, CD earphones clamped on his head, Iron Maiden blasting, making up fantastic stories and movie scenes that he would think about jotting down in the notebook he kept in his backpack. For the next seven nights, Jason would begin walking as the sun went down, and he would walk until dawn, keeping himself warm. Before the sun rose, he would lie down on the bleachers at a local ballpark. On my three visits to Virginia, I'd buy him dinner and cigarettes, and we'd talk about his family, the Marines, the adventures he was having living on the streets. I came to admire the lengths Jason would go to avoid that moment of surrender.

Jason is always cheerful when I see him, and like many cheerful people, he has a tendency toward depression, which he fights with caffeine, cigarettes, that booming voice, a hale-and-hearty manner. In high school Jason liked to perform in front of groups, clown around, stir people up. But he's also a dreamer, someone who can't think in a straight line. He'd love to make movies someday, something fantastic and allegorical. Jason has a passionate belief in Christ, and no fear of death because of that, he says. He seems a completely unlikely candidate for boot camp.

Jason had dropped out of high school when the Marine recruiter called. He had what he calls "a shitty relationship with his parents"; it made him unhappy. He had no diploma, no direction, only vague dreams of acting and directing films. The recruiter offered a definite course—both a compelling reason to get his high-school diploma and a plan for the near future. As his enlistment date approached, though, Jason felt less and less like going. "I was trying to ask people, `You think I should cop out of this now while I got a chance?"' But Jason's passivity, his inability to think clearly, to see the outlines of another future—how does a high-school dropout go about becoming a film director?—left him wide open to currents that were far too strong. Jason simply rode those currents straight to Parris Island. "I had the mentality—I made the commitment, I'm gonna give it a shot," he explains. "How much can it really hurt?"

Boot camp was great, he says, though at the time it was awful. He hated every minute of it, especially being so completely caught in a bleak and grueling present that there was nothing to look forward to but chow. He loved and admired his drill instructors, never doubting that they had his best interests at heart, and he was terribly proud on graduation day. Later he would tell me that it was the happiest day of his life.

It was when he started Infantry School at Camp Geiger in North Carolina that Jason's resolve, never strong to start with, folded. At boot camp, he got along with all the other recruits; they were harassed and beaten down and completely unified. But at Camp Geiger his fellow Marines were "just your typical man pig assholes," Jason says, and then goes to great effort to explain a certain character type to me. "You gotta understand, people who typically join the Marines have a certain mentality. They have to prove something. Because of that mentality, this is what you get when they get confidence, you get this cocky, arrogant, look-at-me-now type of thing. And I'm sitting there saying, I'm not going to the end of the road with these guys. I will gladly fight and die for my family, my friends, and for my country. I will not fight and die with people that I don't like."

In his fifth week of training his leg got infected. His combat instructors thought they knew what it was—cellulitis—but told him it wasn't all that serious yet and to wait three days for treatment until the base clinic opened. His leg swelled until he could no longer put on his boot. Still, he was given a twenty-four-hour walking post. On Sunday he was rushed to the hospital, where he stayed for a week. When he returned, he had to keep his leg elevated, and the drill instructors treated him as if he were a shirker. The final straw in this series of events that Jason would simply call ""expletive deleted"" was when they refused to give him weekend liberty because he hadn't passed a test that he couldn't have taken anyway, because he was in the hospital when it was given.

Two themes run through Jason's story, very common ones in the stories of AWOL soldiers. Jason was not a young man who found himself appalled by the training, by the notion of killing. He was someone who was ambivalent about joining in the first place and then objected not to the hard work or the discipline but to what he considered unfair treatment. "Even though it sucks right now, it still feels like I did the right thing," he says of his decision to desert. "For one, I did something I shouldn't have done by joining. For two, I believe you should always stand up for what you believe in, and I don't believe that I should've been treated like that for my leg."

People leave civilian jobs when they're treated unjustly, and no civilian boss holds your mortal life in his or her hands. When you enter the military, you're not arriving at some day job, a job that requires only a piece of you and your time, a job you can easily leave. The military is your new family; indeed, during training, it's your entire world. Your life is in their hands, you may get wounded, die, or kill—and it will be at their orders, in their company. So the sense of betrayal is felt at a profound level that's difficult for any civilian to understand.

On my third trip to Virginia, on October 7, Jason has decided he's ready to turn himself in. He thinks it would be easier if I went with him. So the next morning we meet for breakfast at Waffle House in Dumfries. After eggs, toast, and many cups of coffee, I try to pay the check, but Jason keeps ordering refills. He's trying to pump himself up. "I want to try to be excited about this, as best as I can, you know? I don't want to go in there all miserable and grim and be like this is the end of the world." Finally, I convince him to get the last cup to go, and we drink it outside in the parking lot, where we get involved in a long discussion about the existence of God. Jason's concerned about my atheism. He doesn't want me missing out on heaven. The sun is high overhead when we finally get into the car and head toward the Marine base. "Man, this is gonna suck ass," Jason says, breathing deeply.

The MP stops us at the entrance, and after I explain Jason's situation, the Marine's face turns hard. He looks past me at Jason. "You deserted?"

"Yes, sir," Jason replies, looking miserable. To get to the Security Battalion, which houses the MP station, we have to drive a couple of miles down a tree-arched road, past a green, hilly golf course, and on through the woods. Jason is silent the whole time. He warned me that he would become almost comatose at this moment.

Inside the tiny lobby of the MP station, steps lead up to a windowed office, so the Marine on duty towers over us. This one is pure muscle, with shoulders and arms like tree trunks, a cinched waist, a smirk on his face, and a tattoo of Iwo Jima on his left bicep. He regards Jason with a combination of contempt and amusement, and keeps turning to the other two MPs in the office, saying something inaudible and then laughing. For some reason, the MP, who already has my driver's license, asks me my weight, age, and Social Security number before calling Jason to the window. Jason looks small and chubby, partly in comparison to the giant at the window, and partly because he is slouched into his boots. It is all "yes, sir" and "no, sir" from there on in. A blond MP comes out into the reception area, takes Jason's backpack, and commands him to say goodbye. We shake hands, but Jason can barely meet my eyes. And then he is gone.

Later he would tell me that the Marine sergeant who interviewed him was calm and professional, nothing like the MP at the reception desk. "If you don't want to help your brother Marine," he told Jason, "we don't want you." He didn't say it unkindly, just matter-of-factly.

If Jason is lucky, he'll be given nonjudicial punishment and released sometime in January with an other-than-honorable discharge; that is, in about three months from the day he surrendered. The Marines take forever to process people out—up to six months to be dropped from the rolls, and once you've returned, another three or four months to be processed out. At the Quaker House in Boston, they joke that the reason it takes the Marines so long to let anyone go is that "they just can't believe there's anyone out there who doesn't want to be a Marine."

The Army moves much more quickly. They have two out-processing stations, one at Fort Sill, Oklahoma, the other at Fort Knox in Kentucky. At Fort Sill, people are generally out-processed in three days because they mail your discharge papers to you. When Jeremiah arrived at Fort Sill, there were eight deserters. When he was sent home a week later, there were thirty. All of the National Guardsmen and reservists were returned to their units. Regular soldiers who left from their training units were getting released. Noncommissioned officers were facing court-martial.

At the Army's Fort Knox center, recruits aren't released until their discharge papers are personally handed to them, so the process can take two to three weeks. Of course, any of this can change at any time, which is why the people at the G.I. Rights hot line always counsel people to call right before they turn themselves in. In November things appeared to be backed up at Fort Knox. A soldier who was shipped from there to Fort Sill told Jeremiah that when he left, seventy AWOL soldiers and deserters were being held there.



AWOL and desertion are chronic problems; all any Army can hope for is to keep them at manageable levels, not to lose soldiers needlessly. The Army admits that youth, lack of a high-school diploma, coming from "broken homes," and having early scrapes with the law make a soldier only "relatively more likely" to go AWOL or to desert. In fact, the Army is careful to note, "the vast majority of soldiers who fit this profile are not going to desert." Yet the Army used that very same profile to try to identify potential deserters and give them extra attention—and the desertion rate, mysteriously, rose. It doesn't take a huge leap of the imagination to suppose that high-school dropouts and juvenile delinquents might have joined the military for a fresh start, a chance to succeed at something, and when they were instead tagged as potential failures and trouble-makers, they took off. None of the Army data comes close to capturing the hearts and minds of soldiers. What is any given person looking for when he or she joins the Army? Direction in life? A chance to belong to something? Father figures? An adventure with buddies or a test of manhood? Their parents' approval? And when they entered the military, what did they find? That they'd been given false promises by the recruiter? That the people they turned to for help threatened them or made idiotic speeches about Bible-carrying Iraqis? No help for depression? Or a lack of armor and ammunition on the battlefield? According to the Army's own study, before soldiers went AWOL, more than half of them sought help within the military—they spoke to their COs, to military chaplains, military shrinks. Apparently, to little avail.

The Army has examined the soldier, but not itself. It is tantamount to trying to understand the problem of teenage runaways without ever asking about their home life. Failure to adapt, issues with chain of command—there's no sense that the military culture and environment, the commanders, themselves, also play a part in driving soldiers out and away.

The Georgia Marine who thought he would be stationed in Kentucky made it all the way to his MOS training at Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri, before he took off. There, Jarred tried to get a foot injury treated and was told to take Tylenol. His pay was less than the recruiter had promised him, and he even seemed to be missing money from what he was paid. When he complained to his CO, he was told to shut up and mind his own business. Then he learned that his company was going to be deployed to Fallujah. "I ain't goin' to war," he told his sister flatly.

His sister kept telling Jarred to go talk to somebody. "Ain't nobody to talk to," Jarred told her. "Ain't nobody here interested." When he went home to Georgia on leave last March, he didn't return to his base. He made his mother and sister take down from the walls all their Marine paraphernalia, stripped the bumper stickers from their trucks, and refused to watch any movies or TV shows that featured the military. "The military," he said, "is a bunch of lies."

Kathy Dobie is the author of The Only Girl in the Car, which originated as a memoir in this magazine.
She lives in Brooklyn.
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