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BlueDog
QUOTE(Activisms @ Nov 12 2004, 07:27 PM)
All of us should write emails like this, the evidence is getting ugly now...
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What is the hardball address?
ultraist
LOVE IT, LOVE IT, LOVE IT!!! This sets a precedent for bloggers...

Great letters fellow bloggers...
Activisms
QUOTE(LNAB @ Nov 12 2004, 07:42 PM)
OK FOLKS...THIS HAS BEEN THE BEST AND MOST HONEST DISCUSSION I HAVE SEEN TO DATE IN THE MAJOR MEDIA THAT IT IS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT

VOTER FRAUD WAS AFOOT IN THE 2004 ELECTION...

I AM HEARTENED!
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YOU MEAN THE BUSH KOOLAID STOPPED RUINING EVERYONES BRAINS WITH MONEY?!?!??


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lawnorder
QUOTE(JasonATexan @ Nov 12 2004, 07:00 PM)
Idiot republican said that in new york some republicans don't get to vote. They also said that they want to hold us accountable for spreading false stories.
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I knew it! It's all the internet's fault!
Remember how I posted here that Bushies would go against the internet next ? It started.

Rove said to Bush: "Next time NO INTERNET"
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CBS News | Blogging As Typing, Not Journalism :
.. what I saw in the blogosphere on Nov. 2 was more reminiscent of that school paper or a 'Breaker, breaker 19' gabfest on CB than anything approaching journalism."

Kerry was "in striking distance" in Florida and Ohio, said the Drudge Report. The popular and smutty Wonkette site claimed it had "information" from "little birdies" showing Kerry up 52-47 in Ohio and 50-49 in Florida... This is the kind of stuff we used to run in my aforementioned school paper, when the speculation surrounded who was going steady. The difference is that the bloggers [who] aspire to being a force in our public life .. don't care about the veracity of the stories they are spreading, they do not understand when there is a live hand grenade on their keyboard.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/08/...ain654285.shtml


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Opinion from PC Magazine: The Zeros vs. the Ones

After witnessing the latest Presidential election process, it's apparent to me that the Internet is turning into a bad dream. Nobody wants to admit it, but the Web's natural ability to remove normal interpersonal structures that prevent society from falling into chaos is not a benefit to anyone. Information revolution notwithstanding, the Internet will prove to be the undoing of society and civilization as we know it. It may not happen today, but it will happen sooner than we think.


What an ASININE comment !!! So people are not divided because of Bush's stupid policies or because of Rove's shameful manipulation and twisting of the rivalry between city and heartland to benefit his master.

No It turns out people are divided because of us, the bloggers. I used to like John Dvorak. Sigh... He goes on and on like a bigoted energizer bunny
MominTN
I'm glad it's being reported. I didn't care for the political analyst named Craig. He is a goof ball and I don't seen why anyone cares what he things. And he had the audacity to say Kerry flip flopped. So I really think we should tell Keith that either get someone else who is credible and serious or we will have to support another channel. I do like Keith. He should have more control over who he lets on his show. Why not get a real intellectual type instead of a "MSNBC political analyst"? Doesn't that sound like bs to you?
Activisms
QUOTE(MominTN @ Nov 12 2004, 07:50 PM)
I'm glad it's being reported.  I didn't care for the political analyst named Craig.  He is a goof ball and I don't seen why anyone cares what he things.  And he had the audacity to say Kerry flip flopped.  So I really think we should tell Keith that either get someone else who is credible and serious or we will have to support another channel.  I do like Keith.  He should have more control over who he lets on his show.  Why not get a real intellectual type instead of a "MSNBC political analyst"?  Doesn't that sound like bs to you?
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Agreed, nail them into the CONCRETE!!!! The internet is FREE buddy, go suck on your lemons! tongue.gif
BlueDog
QUOTE(lawnorder @ Nov 12 2004, 07:50 PM)
I knew it! It's all the internet's fault!
Remember how I posted here that Bushies would go against the internet next ? It started.

Rove said to Bush: "Next time NO INTERNET"
What an ASININE comment !!! So people are not divided because of Bush's stupid policies or because of Rove's shameful manipulation and twisting of the rivalry between city and heartland to benefit his master.

No It turns out people are divided because of us,  the bloggers. I used to like John Dvorak. Sigh... He goes on and on like a bigoted energizer bunny
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If we step back from this for just a moment -- which we should, in between our e-manifestos and our missives -- and take a deep breath, we'll realize how comical these people are, in their pedantic scapegoating. As long as human beings have had a marketplace, they have used it to gather to discuss the events of their times, to share and debate knowledge, to formulate strategies and make decisions, sometimes decisions which go against the narrow partisan interests of corrupted rulers. Nothing has changed, except for the medium of our discourse. We live in that proud tradition, and those who run in fear from our discussions and put us down with this silly luddite claptrap are shamefully mistaken.
LNAB
QUOTE(BlueDog @ Nov 12 2004, 08:46 PM)
What is the hardball address?
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hardball@msnbc.com

AND MY NEW HERO KEITH

KOlbermann@MSNBC.com

lol.gif lol.gif but of course, it could have been the aliens fault... lol.gif lol.gif lol.gif
MominTN
We should tell Keith that anyone that clicks on a link to this site or any other referenced site where people type their opinion are now ordained "blogger". Welcome to the modern age of discussion!
BlueDog
QUOTE(LNAB @ Nov 12 2004, 08:00 PM)
hardball@msnbc.com
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Thanks, I'm on it.
ultraist
WELL SAID BLUE DOG!

Those that are criticizing blogs & the internet are merely threatened by the power of people networking. How many places can you go and connect with a couple of thousand people, instantly?
Activisms
QUOTE(MominTN @ Nov 12 2004, 08:01 PM)
We should tell Keith that anyone that clicks on a link to this site or any other referenced site where people type their opinion are now ordained "blogger".  Welcome to the modern age of discussion!
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Agreed, we should have him make that the new term for the people who took down the dog Ann Coulter from having her job on CNN!!!! :D :D :D

How many digs does it take, before you're wiped clean....
LNAB
I think we are REACHING stage 2 of Ghandi's rules on the passage of truth into American consiousness!

SO get buckled up fellow bloggers...

"It's going to be a bumpy ride"... :o
BlueDog
QUOTE(BlueDog @ Nov 12 2004, 08:03 PM)
Thanks, I'm on it.
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Dear Mr. Matthews:

I am one of millions of viewers who appreciated your courage and candour in covering the greatest story in American politics in recent years. Although the evidence for fraud in this election is not yet conclusive, I am persuaded that a prima facia case already exists for significant irregularities and perhaps massive electronic tampering amounting to the greatest scandal in our history. Even if the odds of this are only one in ten or one in a hundred, it is important our fourth estate not be distracted from its moral obligation to seek out the truth. Free and fair elections should not be the outcome of our political process; they should be the prerequisite to it. Any doubt that our elections have been both free and fair should be investigated until it is disproven or until the means and the perpetrators of the fraud are exposed and brought to justice. Please continue your coverage of this important question.

Sincerely,
Buster0001
See, I was thinking the other night about the internet. How did
anyone ever find out about Watergate? This is the best way
to spread news on earth.
LNAB
QUOTE(Buster0001 @ Nov 12 2004, 09:22 PM)
See, I was thinking the other night about the internet.  How did
anyone ever find out about Watergate?  This is the best way
to spread news on earth.
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NIXON HAD LIMITS and he didn't have KARL ROVE..the evil genius...

I've said for several years now that the INTERNET IS THE ONLY THING LEFT THAT CAN SAVE DEMOCRACY...

GOD I hope I'm right!
azindi
Have you signed the petition to ask congress to investigate the election results?

http://www.petitiononline.com/uselect/petition.html
lawnorder
QUOTE(ultraist @ Nov 12 2004, 08:03 PM)
WELL SAID BLUE DOG!

Those that are criticizing blogs & the internet are merely threatened by the power of people networking. How many places can you go and connect with a couple of thousand people, instantly?
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No Kidding!!!

The Power of the Internet:The Rise of Open-Source Politics
Why they fear us here and at DailyKos, MyDD, Eschaton, Democratic Underground and Buzzflash, Smirking Chimp: We finally have a voice
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20041122&s=sifry

Internet post-election rumors missing one little thing: evidence
"Evil Internet" spreads rumors that last week's presidential election was rigged and stolen
http://stpetetimes.com/2004/11/11/Columns/...t_electio.shtml

Republican John C. Dvorak and PC Magazine advocate the banning of the Internet ?

Divided country? It's all the internet's fault
http://lawnorder.blogspot.com/2004/11/dail...ry-its-all.html

CBS News: Blogging As Typing, Not Journalism
.. what I saw in the blogosphere on Nov. 2 was more reminiscent of that school paper or a 'Breaker, breaker 19' gabfest on CB than anything approaching journalism."

Kerry was "in striking distance" in Florida and Ohio, said the Drudge Report. The popular and smutty Wonkette site claimed it had "information" from "little birdies" showing Kerry up 52-47 in Ohio and 50-49 in Florida... This is the kind of stuff we used to run in my aforementioned school paper, when the speculation surrounded who was going steady. The difference is that the bloggers [who] aspire to being a force in our public life .. don't care about the veracity of the stories they are spreading, they do not understand when there is a live hand grenade on their keyboard.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/08/...ain654285.shtml
JILLinaz
I watched it and I was not impressed!

Yes, it's great that Matthews decided to report-

But I felt that the gist of the message was not in our favor -
comments like - how can you believe anything reported in the 'blogisphere'
Matthews comment about how it is now 10 days after the election...
That Molinari (whatever her name was) was denying that we had any credibility
And Trippi, the spokesperson for the bloggers, may be a brilliant man, but a good debator he is not!

Time will prove what a strong voice we have.. but right now we are being questioned. And Matthews really didn't help our cause.
ultraist
QUOTE(BlueDog @ Nov 12 2004, 08:15 PM)
Dear Mr. Matthews:

I am one of millions of viewers who appreciated your courage and candour in covering the greatest story in American politics in recent years.  Although the evidence for fraud in this election is not yet conclusive, I am persuaded that a prima facia case already exists for significant irregularities and perhaps massive electronic tampering amounting to the greatest scandal in our history.  Even if the odds of this are only one in ten or one in a hundred, it is important our fourth estate not be distracted from its moral obligation to seek out the truth. Free and fair elections should not be the outcome of our political process; they should be the prerequisite to it.  Any doubt that our elections have been both free and fair should be investigated until it is disproven or until the means and the perpetrators of the fraud are exposed and brought to justice.  Please continue your coverage of this important question.

Sincerely,
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PRECISELY! BlueDog---YOU'RE HIRED!
lawnorder
Does anyone has a link to a transcript ?
Buster0001
Here's the one from this morning:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6476530/

but I can't find a transcript for Hardball or
Countdown, yet.
Kra/Lee
I'm glad others are as mad as I am for Chris Matthews coverage. He seems like he wants to attack us rather than defend us. I wrote him too. I hope none of this stops! It is like if we quit democracy dies and they get their way! HELP IS ON THE WAY! We have to get across that this was no a fair election. If Kerry doesn't uncondede I don't know what will happen.
lawnorder
QUOTE(Buster0001 @ Nov 13 2004, 12:15 PM)
Here's the one from this morning:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6476530/

but I can't find a transcript for Hardball or
Countdown, yet.
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Not up yet (none / 0)

But it will be here
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3719710/
lawnorder
Caltech MIT's report a complete fabrication: Study done by "students" who used the frauded CNN exit polls as the basis of the study. Could just as easily be hackers themselves....

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/pdfs/VotingMachines3.pdf

(I wonder why the so called "caltech / MIT" report has NO AUTHOR associated with it)

Is this the one the Bushie showed in Hardball ?

I wonder HOW Chris Mathews missed this little detail: An academic paper with no author..
Activisms
Chris was definitely misinformed but he's still reporting it. Good news that its getting covered as this gets even uglier....

:o :o :o
kindergarten teacher
QUOTE(Buster0001 @ Nov 12 2004, 06:22 PM)
See, I was thinking the other night about the internet.  How did
anyone ever find out about Watergate?  This is the best way
to spread news on earth.
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You mean "the cover up" because that is what brought Nixon down and forced him to resign. Didn't two reporters get a tip from a man named Deep Throat? lol!!!!!!!!!!!
Activisms
QUOTE(kindergarten teacher @ Nov 14 2004, 02:59 AM)
You mean "the cover up" because that is what brought Nixon down and forced him to resign.  Didn't two reporters get a tip from a man named Deep Throat?  lol!!!!!!!!!!!
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Replace deepthrought with Mr. X and Mrs. Kelleher......
JILLinaz
My email to Matthews
(hope is doesn't mind a little sarcasm, but I've been really really p'od at him for the last few months....) And I had to get that part in about the blogisphere because his was dissing it last nite...



Before you have some whiney repub on your show quoting the report from Cal Tech, about voter fraud,
you may want to do some investigating into Cal Tech. Oops - too late....
Well maybe while 'monday nite quarterbacking' you might find some interesting reading there. Kinda puts what she said (Molinari?) in a different light....

That's what's so fascinating about the blogisphere.... we learn more, and sooner than the media.... we have so many more reporters working on our story! And all of the channels are working together on the same story....
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