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Thanks for posting this Bosun!
Methinks it's nice to see something that actually has something to do with the U.S. military posted here for a change, eh?
Methinks it's nice to see something that actually has something to do with the U.S. military posted here for a change, eh?
Does anyone know how many Medal of Honor recipients we have had in this war?
WO - JUST CHECKING IN TO SEE IF MY HANDLE'S STILL WORKING.
TOO BUSY TO STAY LONG THOUGH.
HOW'S IT HANGING FLY CATCHER?
Our son finally called from Iraq after a few weeks of progaganda from his 1SG and Commander to the Military Families in his unit.
Guess the Pentagon learned it's lesson after Rummy got burned by that kid in the National Guard who had his armed twisted by that left wing, pinko, commie reporter to ask Rumsfeld about why the troops had to rummage through trash in Kuwait for parts to uparmor their vehicles "before" going on to Iraq.
Fret not our son's regular Army unit had enough Body Armor and "some" up Armored Humvees.
However, he did give Mom and I a decent rundown on what's going down in Iraq for their second 18 month "combat" tour Bro.
You see Fly Catcher if one is above the rank of Captain, SGT or is on their first "virgin" combat duty tour THEY are still buying into this Patriotic bull crap or Glory hunters who have yet to kill somebody, see a buddy aced, or had the crap scared out of them. Now that's just my humble assessment.
Our son's exact words were, "Dad, I know the Oliver Stone movie Platoon was a bit exaggeration for dramatic effect but that is what it is like our second tour over here for experienced "combat" Vets."
He's talking about mid-level regular Army NCOs and officers Fly Snacher, NOT NATIONAL GUARD, you see the regulars still don't have much respect for Guardsmen, which I frankly gave him hell for.
He said that before leaving the states they got a bunch of freshmeat (that's exactly the term he used. His mother like to died) in from right out of High School. You know Basic Training. This still didn't bring them up to full strength for when they got to Iraq his unit had to be disbanded and rolled into the 3rd ID.
Thank God they remained an Armor Unit. He still is in a Tank, but a Rocket Propelled Grenade can put a hurtin on a tank which has limited visability when it is buttoned up Fly Dancer.
Anyways, he said when the NCOs got the new recruits in squads and platoons they told them to forget that patriotic "expletive deleted" they heard from the recruiters and in basic and listen to what they are going to train them for. Knocking down doors and killing Arabs, because you can't trust any of them, how to ID and improvised explosive devise (IED), basically how to stay alive and look out for eachother. That is all it is about.
You know why the battle hardened troops feel that way Fly Catcher?
Because they not only have an Incompetent Iraqi Army to deal with, but they have to survive an insurgency where all the Arabs look alike (kind of reminds one of S.E. Asia), they have a Chain of Command they can't trust because if anything goes wrong that chain seeks scapegoats at the lowest level of command, and the troops know it.
Now if you think that lack of trust in one's chain of command has no impact in discipline. Well you evidently never spent any time in a regimented force like the Marine Corp or Army.
Now of course WE could leave the Marine Corp to occupy Iraq all by their lonesome but is that the answer. We know that would go over real well with their families even if the Corp is rightfully, respectfully, and proudly so GUNG HO!
Lastly, then I have to move on - I'm busy preparing to entertain John O'Neill next week in Dayton, Ohio.
Back to this post.
My wife and I watched two Soldiers "who obviously didn't want to be interviewed" being exploited by the Pentagon for this Medal of Honor deal.
We hope and pray and heavens would NEVER question that this Soldier WHO DIED did not deserve nor earn that medal or is being USED as part of the Pentagon's patriotic appeal to a recruitment problem.
That would be the most disqusting thing George W. Bush could EVER do, but it is not beyond him or his ilk.
If God Forbid anything EVER happened to our son, and he deserved and earned a medal for it. WE would take all steps necessary to ensure that ANYONE except George W. Bush would award it too him. In fact, preferably someone IN UNIFORM. Someone of our choosing. THUS TO AVOID ANY POTENTIAL EXPLOITATION FOR ANY REASON. WHY?
This editorial was written by the senior editior of the Columbus Ohio Dispatch - a decidedly right-wing Republican Newspaper that supported the entire Republican state ticket AND President Bush during the 2004 election, but even they saw something WRONG in what some Bush supporters were doing that had sick implications for our military far BEYOND THE ELECTION!
Bush re-election machine busy tearing down another war hero
Sunday, August 22, 2004
JOE HALLETT
If John Kerry wins the Democratic nomination, I mused on Jan. 17, President Bush will do back flips to avoid comparisons of their respective military records.
On a stage in Des Moines, Iowa, that night, I watched a retired policeman embrace the Massachusetts senator, creating the most poignant moment of the Democratic campaign for president.
Jim Rassmann came from Oregon to tell the world that 35 years earlier, then-Navy Lt. Kerry, wounded, turned his swift boat around against enemy fire and fished Rassmann out of the Bay Hap River in Vietnam.
``He could have been shot and killed," said a teary Rassmann, a Republican. ``I figure I owe this man my life."
Kerry was given a Bronze Star for that heroic act. He also got a Silver Star and three Purple Hearts for his service in Vietnam.
Score one for Kerry, I thought, standing amid the cheering Iowa Democrats. With questions lingering about Bush's stateside service in the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam War, military records weren't likely to top Bush's discussion agenda during the campaign.
And it didn't help that influential hawks in his administration -- Vice President Dick Cheney, Attorney General John Ashcroft and Defense Department Deputy Secretary Paul Wolfowitz -- found ways to avoid military service during the war.
But then, I had forgotten some recent history and once again underestimated just how good Karl Rove & Co. are at winning elections.
As Bush scores with voters by lauding the heroism of troops he sends to war, his allies systematically tear down old war heroes for political gain
In 2002, Republicans painted Sen. Max Cleland, a Georgia Democrat, as unpatriotic. Never mind that Cleland lost two legs and his right arm in the Vietnam War. Cleland's GOP opponent, Saxby Chambliss, ran a television ad showing Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and Cleland, contending that Cleland ``voted against the President's vital homeland security efforts 11 times." Chambliss won.
Two years earlier, in the bitter 2000 South Carolina presidential primary, Bush supporters sponsored a rumor campaign against Sen. John McCain of Arizona, suggesting he was loony from five years of torture in Vietnamese prisoner-of-war camps.
A couple of weeks ago, McCain saw a 60-second TV spot sponsored by a group called ``Swift Boat Veterans for Truth." The ad, financed by Texas Republicans and aired in Ohio and two other battleground states, said Kerry lied to get his Bronze Star. Livid, McCain referred to Bush backers and said, ``It was the same kind of deal that was pulled on me." He called on the Bush campaign to repudiate the ad; it declined.
Voters in key states began debating whether Kerry really earned his Vietnam War medals. Exhaustive reporting by the Los Angeles Times, The Washington Post, and other newspapers has discredited most statements made by the ``Swift Boat Veterans for Truth."But Bush's ubiquitous AM talk-radio surrogates loyally and doggedly fan the fire.
At the Veterans of Foreign Wars annual convention in Cincinnati, vets were buzzing about Kerry's war record. It was clear that Bush backers were successfully doing to Kerry what they tried to do to Cleland and McCain: sully the honor of war heroes.
With practiced discipline, Bush allies adroitly had shifted the discussion away from Bush's lack of a war record to whether Kerry's is bogus.
Realizing he was being hurt, Kerry fired back Thursday, accusing Bush of using front groups ``to do his dirty work." Kerry said if Bush wants to ``have a debate about our service in Vietnam, here is my answer: `Bring it on.' "
At the VFW convention, Peter Rebold, 61, a Cincinnati lawyer who had led U.S. and South Vietnamese troops into battle as an Army captain, said the effort to smear Kerry won't work.
``All you have to look at is one thing: Kerry was in Vietnam. Bush wasn't there. Cheney wasn't there. Kerry volunteered."
Kerry's postwar protest activities and his Senate voting record on defense issues are fair game for critics. But twisting his valorous war record for political purposes is shameful.
BTW - NEXT TIME THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION DECIDES TO HONOR ONE OF OUR TROOPS WITH THE MEDAL OF HONOR. ALSO TRY FINDING SOMEONE WHO IS ALIVE. WE REFUSE TO BELIEVE THERE IS NOT AT LEAST ONE LIVING HERO IN IRAQ OR AFGHANISTAN WHO RATES "THE MEDAL OF HONOR." WHY?
MIGHT BE HARD TO FIND SOMEONE WILLING TO RECEIVE IT FROM GEORGE W. BUSH.
NOW THIS IS WHAT BOTHERS OUR SON AND HE IS NOT THE ONLY ONE SERVING IN IRAQ WHO FEELS THIS WAY FLY SNATCHER.
If the tactic works against John Kerry, none of the men and women now fighting in Iraq can trust that the medals they earn won't someday be used against them.
Joe Hallett is senior editor at The Dispatch.
jhallett@dispatch.com
TOO BUSY TO STAY LONG THOUGH.
HOW'S IT HANGING FLY CATCHER?
Our son finally called from Iraq after a few weeks of progaganda from his 1SG and Commander to the Military Families in his unit.
Guess the Pentagon learned it's lesson after Rummy got burned by that kid in the National Guard who had his armed twisted by that left wing, pinko, commie reporter to ask Rumsfeld about why the troops had to rummage through trash in Kuwait for parts to uparmor their vehicles "before" going on to Iraq.
Fret not our son's regular Army unit had enough Body Armor and "some" up Armored Humvees.
However, he did give Mom and I a decent rundown on what's going down in Iraq for their second 18 month "combat" tour Bro.
You see Fly Catcher if one is above the rank of Captain, SGT or is on their first "virgin" combat duty tour THEY are still buying into this Patriotic bull crap or Glory hunters who have yet to kill somebody, see a buddy aced, or had the crap scared out of them. Now that's just my humble assessment.
Our son's exact words were, "Dad, I know the Oliver Stone movie Platoon was a bit exaggeration for dramatic effect but that is what it is like our second tour over here for experienced "combat" Vets."
He's talking about mid-level regular Army NCOs and officers Fly Snacher, NOT NATIONAL GUARD, you see the regulars still don't have much respect for Guardsmen, which I frankly gave him hell for.
He said that before leaving the states they got a bunch of freshmeat (that's exactly the term he used. His mother like to died) in from right out of High School. You know Basic Training. This still didn't bring them up to full strength for when they got to Iraq his unit had to be disbanded and rolled into the 3rd ID.
Thank God they remained an Armor Unit. He still is in a Tank, but a Rocket Propelled Grenade can put a hurtin on a tank which has limited visability when it is buttoned up Fly Dancer.
Anyways, he said when the NCOs got the new recruits in squads and platoons they told them to forget that patriotic "expletive deleted" they heard from the recruiters and in basic and listen to what they are going to train them for. Knocking down doors and killing Arabs, because you can't trust any of them, how to ID and improvised explosive devise (IED), basically how to stay alive and look out for eachother. That is all it is about.
You know why the battle hardened troops feel that way Fly Catcher?
Because they not only have an Incompetent Iraqi Army to deal with, but they have to survive an insurgency where all the Arabs look alike (kind of reminds one of S.E. Asia), they have a Chain of Command they can't trust because if anything goes wrong that chain seeks scapegoats at the lowest level of command, and the troops know it.
Now if you think that lack of trust in one's chain of command has no impact in discipline. Well you evidently never spent any time in a regimented force like the Marine Corp or Army.
Now of course WE could leave the Marine Corp to occupy Iraq all by their lonesome but is that the answer. We know that would go over real well with their families even if the Corp is rightfully, respectfully, and proudly so GUNG HO!
Lastly, then I have to move on - I'm busy preparing to entertain John O'Neill next week in Dayton, Ohio.
Back to this post.
My wife and I watched two Soldiers "who obviously didn't want to be interviewed" being exploited by the Pentagon for this Medal of Honor deal.
We hope and pray and heavens would NEVER question that this Soldier WHO DIED did not deserve nor earn that medal or is being USED as part of the Pentagon's patriotic appeal to a recruitment problem.
That would be the most disqusting thing George W. Bush could EVER do, but it is not beyond him or his ilk.
If God Forbid anything EVER happened to our son, and he deserved and earned a medal for it. WE would take all steps necessary to ensure that ANYONE except George W. Bush would award it too him. In fact, preferably someone IN UNIFORM. Someone of our choosing. THUS TO AVOID ANY POTENTIAL EXPLOITATION FOR ANY REASON. WHY?
This editorial was written by the senior editior of the Columbus Ohio Dispatch - a decidedly right-wing Republican Newspaper that supported the entire Republican state ticket AND President Bush during the 2004 election, but even they saw something WRONG in what some Bush supporters were doing that had sick implications for our military far BEYOND THE ELECTION!
Bush re-election machine busy tearing down another war hero
Sunday, August 22, 2004
JOE HALLETT
If John Kerry wins the Democratic nomination, I mused on Jan. 17, President Bush will do back flips to avoid comparisons of their respective military records.
On a stage in Des Moines, Iowa, that night, I watched a retired policeman embrace the Massachusetts senator, creating the most poignant moment of the Democratic campaign for president.
Jim Rassmann came from Oregon to tell the world that 35 years earlier, then-Navy Lt. Kerry, wounded, turned his swift boat around against enemy fire and fished Rassmann out of the Bay Hap River in Vietnam.
``He could have been shot and killed," said a teary Rassmann, a Republican. ``I figure I owe this man my life."
Kerry was given a Bronze Star for that heroic act. He also got a Silver Star and three Purple Hearts for his service in Vietnam.
Score one for Kerry, I thought, standing amid the cheering Iowa Democrats. With questions lingering about Bush's stateside service in the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam War, military records weren't likely to top Bush's discussion agenda during the campaign.
And it didn't help that influential hawks in his administration -- Vice President Dick Cheney, Attorney General John Ashcroft and Defense Department Deputy Secretary Paul Wolfowitz -- found ways to avoid military service during the war.
But then, I had forgotten some recent history and once again underestimated just how good Karl Rove & Co. are at winning elections.
As Bush scores with voters by lauding the heroism of troops he sends to war, his allies systematically tear down old war heroes for political gain
In 2002, Republicans painted Sen. Max Cleland, a Georgia Democrat, as unpatriotic. Never mind that Cleland lost two legs and his right arm in the Vietnam War. Cleland's GOP opponent, Saxby Chambliss, ran a television ad showing Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and Cleland, contending that Cleland ``voted against the President's vital homeland security efforts 11 times." Chambliss won.
Two years earlier, in the bitter 2000 South Carolina presidential primary, Bush supporters sponsored a rumor campaign against Sen. John McCain of Arizona, suggesting he was loony from five years of torture in Vietnamese prisoner-of-war camps.
A couple of weeks ago, McCain saw a 60-second TV spot sponsored by a group called ``Swift Boat Veterans for Truth." The ad, financed by Texas Republicans and aired in Ohio and two other battleground states, said Kerry lied to get his Bronze Star. Livid, McCain referred to Bush backers and said, ``It was the same kind of deal that was pulled on me." He called on the Bush campaign to repudiate the ad; it declined.
Voters in key states began debating whether Kerry really earned his Vietnam War medals. Exhaustive reporting by the Los Angeles Times, The Washington Post, and other newspapers has discredited most statements made by the ``Swift Boat Veterans for Truth."But Bush's ubiquitous AM talk-radio surrogates loyally and doggedly fan the fire.
At the Veterans of Foreign Wars annual convention in Cincinnati, vets were buzzing about Kerry's war record. It was clear that Bush backers were successfully doing to Kerry what they tried to do to Cleland and McCain: sully the honor of war heroes.
With practiced discipline, Bush allies adroitly had shifted the discussion away from Bush's lack of a war record to whether Kerry's is bogus.
Realizing he was being hurt, Kerry fired back Thursday, accusing Bush of using front groups ``to do his dirty work." Kerry said if Bush wants to ``have a debate about our service in Vietnam, here is my answer: `Bring it on.' "
At the VFW convention, Peter Rebold, 61, a Cincinnati lawyer who had led U.S. and South Vietnamese troops into battle as an Army captain, said the effort to smear Kerry won't work.
``All you have to look at is one thing: Kerry was in Vietnam. Bush wasn't there. Cheney wasn't there. Kerry volunteered."
Kerry's postwar protest activities and his Senate voting record on defense issues are fair game for critics. But twisting his valorous war record for political purposes is shameful.
BTW - NEXT TIME THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION DECIDES TO HONOR ONE OF OUR TROOPS WITH THE MEDAL OF HONOR. ALSO TRY FINDING SOMEONE WHO IS ALIVE. WE REFUSE TO BELIEVE THERE IS NOT AT LEAST ONE LIVING HERO IN IRAQ OR AFGHANISTAN WHO RATES "THE MEDAL OF HONOR." WHY?
MIGHT BE HARD TO FIND SOMEONE WILLING TO RECEIVE IT FROM GEORGE W. BUSH.
NOW THIS IS WHAT BOTHERS OUR SON AND HE IS NOT THE ONLY ONE SERVING IN IRAQ WHO FEELS THIS WAY FLY SNATCHER.
If the tactic works against John Kerry, none of the men and women now fighting in Iraq can trust that the medals they earn won't someday be used against them.
Joe Hallett is senior editor at The Dispatch.
jhallett@dispatch.com
QUOTE(Acebass @ Apr 4 2005, 11:30 AM)
Does anyone know how many Medal of Honor recipients we have had in this war?
Methinks SFC Smith is the first.The Congressional Medal Of Honor Society is a good source for info.
Thanks for your interesting response Army Dad...
however unlike some petty political prick operatives I will honor the men and women that serve and the honors they receive, including SFC Smith.
There is no tit for tat here. Don't lower yourself wearing a band aid over a purple heart. It discraces the memory and the service of all vets.
however unlike some petty political prick operatives I will honor the men and women that serve and the honors they receive, including SFC Smith.
There is no tit for tat here. Don't lower yourself wearing a band aid over a purple heart. It discraces the memory and the service of all vets.
Bush is a slime for what he did to other vets. Bush also is a slime for what he is currently doing to the military. His policy of its ok to torture and murder is making war criminals out of the troops. That will not exactly bring honor to the uniform. At least the military is fighting back by doing investigations. There are always men of principle and honor to resist the torture and murder people. I can only hope that the honorable people win in the end. Otherwise we are looking at 20 years where the military will be looked at as a criminal organization where America's sons will not wish to serve.
QUOTE(Acebass @ Apr 4 2005, 09:30 AM)
Does anyone know how many Medal of Honor recipients we have had in this war?
One, this one.
The article mentions this is the 3rd Medal of Honor since Vietnam: 2 were for soldiers on the Black Hawk Down mission and one for Sgt. Smith in Iraq
QUOTE(david sobien @ Apr 4 2005, 10:30 AM)
Bush is a slime for what he did to other vets. Bush also is a slime for what he is currently doing to the military. His policy of its ok to torture and murder is making war criminals out of the troops. That will not exactly bring honor to the uniform. At least the military is fighting back by doing investigations. There are always men of principle and honor to resist the torture and murder people. I can only hope that the honorable people win in the end. Otherwise we are looking at 20 years where the military will be looked at as a criminal organization where America's sons will not wish to serve.
I certainly won't want my son and daughter anywhere near Bush / Rumsfeld run prisons. I don't want them turned from decent person into Liddie England.
Col. Hackworth was right, the worst part of the Abu Ghraib pictures was to see what Bush made of "fresh meat" kids just out of high school...
QUOTE(Acebass @ Apr 4 2005, 08:30 AM)
Does anyone know how many Medal of Honor recipients we have had in this war?
This is the first....... joe e
QUOTE(lawnorder @ Apr 4 2005, 11:31 AM)
I certainly won't want my son and daughter anywhere near Bush / Rumsfeld run prisons. I don't want them turned from decent person into Liddie England.
Col. Hackworth was right, the worst part of the Abu Ghraib pictures was to see what Bush made of "fresh meat" kids just out of high school...
Col. Hackworth was right, the worst part of the Abu Ghraib pictures was to see what Bush made of "fresh meat" kids just out of high school...
In all likelyhood Liddie England was already Liddie England when she arrived to work at Abu Grahib. Some "fresh meat" had the intestinal fortitude to turn in something they saw as wrong. If your kid turned into Liddie England I would be willing to bet it had something to do with their upbringing. Decent people are raised to do the right thing.
Watched the presentation live on CSPAN and thought it was duly solemn and dignified.
Looked like MSNBC covered it live too, but not the other cable news networks, eh?
Thanks again Bosun!
Looked like MSNBC covered it live too, but not the other cable news networks, eh?
Thanks again Bosun!
QUOTE(flydangler @ Apr 4 2005, 01:37 PM)
Watched the presentation live on CSPAN and thought it was duly solemn and dignified.
Looked like MSNBC covered it live too, but not the other cable news networks, eh?
Thanks again Bosun!
Looked like MSNBC covered it live too, but not the other cable news networks, eh?
Thanks again Bosun!
The Army did a knock out job with the web site they set up.
It deserves a LOOK.
QUOTE(Marine @ Apr 4 2005, 03:07 PM)
Your right it is a good site. Wish we'd of had the internet back 35 years ago.
QUOTE(ARMYDAD @ Apr 4 2005, 08:57 AM)
ARMYDAD: Please tell your son that I said thanks for his service... OPS
QUOTE(Marine @ Apr 4 2005, 01:07 PM)
Thanks for the link MasterGuns... It truly deserves that LOOK. OPS
QUOTE(onepointsafe @ Apr 4 2005, 10:41 AM)
Yes, thank you for your service.
You don't have to agree with the war to honor what soldiers like Sgt. Smith gave to their country or their fellow soldiers. Sgt. Smith's mother, father, wife, and son, did not think his sacrifice was in vain. They were proud of his actions and the lives he saved.
Sarge..You are wrong that people cannot be changed into war criminals given the right circumstances and a lack of moral leadership. What happened to the German civilization during the 1940's? Do not think for a moment that it could not happen here. It is happening here on a small scale with the torture and murders committed by members of the military and CIA. All it takes is for moral people to stay silent to let it grow into larger criminal enterprise. That cannot be allowed to happen. Eventually all of our freedoms are at stake. Read "The Rise and fall of the Third Reich". I read it in high school. It said "First they came for the Jews and no one said anything......".
QUOTE(Marine @ Apr 4 2005, 03:10 PM)
In all likelyhood Liddie England was already Liddie England when she arrived to work at Abu Grahib. Some "fresh meat" had the intestinal fortitude to turn in something they saw as wrong. If your kid turned into Liddie England I would be willing to bet it had something to do with their upbringing. Decent people are raised to do the right thing.
Liddie was Liddie... but it made me think back to the day when a young farm boy from upstate New York was fresh outta Basic Training.
I fell into a bad crowd early on... 2 or 3 command disciplinary actions trying to impress a bunch of fruitloops that I thought were friends.
I had 1SG Stringfield and Major Buck... step in both had a different approach.. but they both reached out and gave that PFC a good kick in the ass.
Don't know what was going on in that MP unit. I wasn't there but I'm damn grateful for the good first sgt and company XO that helped me.
QUOTE(SFC_White @ Apr 5 2005, 05:57 AM)
Liddie was Liddie... but it made me think back to the day when a young farm boy from upstate New York was fresh outta Basic Training.
I fell into a bad crowd early on... 2 or 3 command disciplinary actions trying to impress a bunch of fruitloops that I thought were friends.
I had 1SG Stringfield and Major Buck... step in both had a different approach.. but they both reached out and gave that PFC a good kick in the ass.
Don't know what was going on in that MP unit. I wasn't there but I'm damn grateful for the good first sgt and company XO that helped me.
I fell into a bad crowd early on... 2 or 3 command disciplinary actions trying to impress a bunch of fruitloops that I thought were friends.
I had 1SG Stringfield and Major Buck... step in both had a different approach.. but they both reached out and gave that PFC a good kick in the ass.
Don't know what was going on in that MP unit. I wasn't there but I'm damn grateful for the good first sgt and company XO that helped me.
Sarge
I paid real close attention to the people who worked for me. I kept track of the clicks and who influenced who and how. If I became aware of a trouble maker they may not have known it but they got special attention. Working in a comm center I could break up a bad situations pdq by watch assignments and my instigators usually got to keep me company on my watch.
QUOTE(david sobien @ Apr 4 2005, 10:26 PM)
Sarge..You are wrong that people cannot be changed into war criminals given the right circumstances and a lack of moral leadership. What happened to the German civilization during the 1940's? Do not think for a moment that it could not happen here. It is happening here on a small scale with the torture and murders committed by members of the military and CIA. All it takes is for moral people to stay silent to let it grow into larger criminal enterprise. That cannot be allowed to happen. Eventually all of our freedoms are at stake. Read "The Rise and fall of the Third Reich". I read it in high school. It said "First they came for the Jews and no one said anything......".
Yes, look at what we did to the decenters of this war, ie DixieChics, Martin Sheen, etc, etc. It's called "Blind Patriotism", it's how Hitler was able to control the German population, and if we're not careful....
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