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ghostgovt
With Bush ratings dropping.... did they not have such a backup plan to capture the hearts of Americans after everything else being all botched up? Remember, BushCo is all about mind control and they are the masters of such.

I wondered a couple of years ago of a situation that seems to be taking place right now. With oil prices high... and climbing... and the Bush clan and Saudis all in cahoots together, would it not be a perfect scenario to gouge the American gasoline consumers into a powerfull deep fear over oil prices and inflation and then later, come into the picture as the shinning knight on a wht house horse that rides in to save the day? Does wonders for ratings. Bush is fighting to lower gas prices... now doesn't that warm the hearts of many millions with his 'just now' fighting to stop gas price gouging after many years of such gouging? Yes, we'll take the nice gesture now as this is destroying our economy, but beware of the hidden agendas here.




http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/a...sh_saudi_arabia

White House - AP
Mon, Apr 25, 2005

Bush Seeks Relief From Record Oil Prices

By JENNIFER LOVEN, Associated Press Writer

CRAWFORD, Texas - President Bush is seeking relief from record-high gas prices and support for Middle East peace as he opens his Texas ranch to Crown Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, the world's largest oil producer.

Bush said he'll make clear Monday that it's not in Saudi Arabia's interests to keep oil prices high. "If they pinch the world economy too much, it'll affect their ability to sell crude oil in the long run," he said in a television interview last week.

The president also said he's looking for "a straight answer" on how close the Saudis are to reaching production capacity. "I don't think they're pumping flat out," Bush said.
TheRestofUs
I wouldn't be surprised at all. It would be "good" political theater for the blind, and willfully ignorant!

In the song "Sympathy for the Devil" by the Rolling Stones is a line that I think is "appropo";

"If Hexus fails, just call me Lucifer, because I believe in SOME restraint!"

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Freedom4all
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was this the plan all along?

If it was, then it had to be something like plan C or D... or "CYA"

The Bush guys really believed Iraq would be a slam dunk, so there is no reason to think they had "plans" beyond after the grand moment when all the Iraqi people would run out with flowers to hand to the US troops...

I think the Saudi's may be the one with the "plan"... they have the most to lose if the USA wakes up and gets behind synthetic fuels 2cents.gif
Eino
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I think the Saudi's may be the one with the "plan"... they have the most to lose if the USA wakes up and gets behind synthetic fuels


Despite the semi positive spin being put forth with this story. It is an example of the US begging the Saudis to deliver more oil. We are, in effect, begging a foreign nation to help us. Saudi Arabia is is a nationwhich has many citizens who seek to do us harm. Saudi Arabia is a monarchy.

Synthetic fuels would help to prevent the United States from having to kowtow to other nations.
wliberty
doh.gif This was on CNN this afternoon. I didn't catch who it was but someone commented that the news conference was nothing more than a photo op. It was stated oil was hardly even mentioned in the preceding disscussions between Bush and Crown Prince Abdullah. secret.gif
searchingforsanity
Bush pretends that begging the Saudis is an energy policy.

http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/cfm/record.cfm?id=236889

04/25/2005
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John Kerry to Address America’s Dangerous Dependence on Saudi Oil

Administration’s energy policy works for Saudis, big oil but not the American people.

Washington - Senator John Kerry will speak on the Senate floor today at approximately 3:00 p.m. on America’s dangerous dependence on foreign oil.
Below is a statement from Senator Kerry on this issue:

“President Bush’s meeting today with Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah is a stark reminder of our country’s dangerous dependence on foreign oil, and how much that dependence threatens our national security.

“America is growing more – not less – dependant on foreign oil, and our dependence on foreign oil is shortchanging our goals in the war on terror. Even if oil miraculously drops to $30 a barrel, over the next 25 years the U.S. will send over 3 trillion American dollars out of the country, much of it to regimes that don’t share our values. In the past Hamas received almost half of its funding from Saudi Arabia. We know al Qaeda has relied on prominent Saudis for financing. And Saudi Arabia sponsors clerics who promote the ideology of terror.

“We can no longer allow America’s dependence on foreign oil to compromise our energy security. Instead, we must invest in inventing new ways to power our cars and our economy. I’ll put my faith in American science and ingenuity any day before I depend on Saudi Arabia.

“The administration’s energy policy works for Saudi Arabia, it works for big oil and gas companies, but it doesn’t work for the American people. The president’s energy bill, by his own admission, does nothing to lower gas prices; will increase oil imports by 85% by 2025; and 95% of the tax benefits in the package – over $8 billion – go directly into the pockets of big oil and gas companies.

“Jawboning OPEC nations to increase production is short-term solution to a long-running problem. We need to invest in America’s energy future – not Saudi Arabia’s – and the only way to do that is to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.”

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ghostgovt
QUOTE(searchingforsanity @ Apr 25 2005, 05:08 PM)
Bush pretends that begging the Saudis is an energy policy.
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You nailed it right on the head.... PRETENDS! Just another Walt Disney production in this photo op to smokescreen us into believing that $2.50-$3 gal is a super deal for gas. ..... for now.
ghostgovt
Would this be the snuggy deal being made between Bush and Crown Prince Abdullah? Wonder what this all equates to at the pump in the next 4 years? I bet nothing under $3-$4 a gal.



http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/commo...%5E2703,00.html

The global oil industry urgently needs to update refineries and develop new fields to meet demand. A report by Goldman Sachs sent energy prices soaring last month when it warned that oil markets could be entering a "super spike", with the price of crude reaching $US105 a barrel.

Saudi Oil Minister Ali Naimi said the country was willing to boost its pumping capacity to 11 million barrels a day – its maximum – and announced that Saudi Arabia would double its investment in energy to $US50 billion over the next five years, raising pumping capacity to 12.5 million barrels a day by 2009.
Freedom4all
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Bush Energy Policy, in action
Eino
From the Australian above:


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Republican pollster Frank Luntz said: "If oil prices continue to climb, so does the hatred towards Saudi Arabia. To put it bluntly, the American public feels, 'If they are allies, why are they charging so much for oil? If they are allies, why are their people trying to kill us?"


Necessity is the mother of invention. There are a lot of smart people in the US. These smart people need to be encouraged by our government and others to build alternate energy infrastructure on a big scale. The necessity is there.

Too many wars have been fought over oil already. I think things would have been different if Kerry had been elected. There would still be problems but maybe we wouldn't have daily death reports.
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ghostgovt
QUOTE(Eino @ Apr 26 2005, 02:54 PM)
From the Australian above:
Necessity is the mother of invention.  There are a lot of smart people in the US.  These smart people need to be encouraged by our government and others to build alternate energy infrastructure on a big scale.  The necessity is there.

Too many wars have been fought over oil already.  I think things would have been different if Kerry had been elected.  There would still be problems but maybe we wouldn't have daily death reports.
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I also agree that a Kerry win (as he really did) would have started the clean up process needed in DC badly. The problem he would have faced though is the Texas/DC mafia that is entangled in the Energy Task Force headed by 'the wad' Cheney. Kerry's democratic ideas would have been sabataged every step of the way, but his presence in the wht house would have at least maintain the hope for our Constitution and Democracy uniting us more behind Kerry in time. Oil would have still been a problem as well as the Middle East wars until justice could have been brought to the thieves of BushCo. These next 4 yrs under Kerry would have been a hard uphill struggle cleaning up Bush's messes.... but that's what we needed as a nation. The word 'POWER' will now forever be haunting us for decades. Power Companies.
Freedom4all
QUOTE(Eino @ Apr 26 2005, 02:54 PM)
Necessity is the mother of invention.  There are a lot of smart people in the US.  These smart people need to be encouraged by our government and others to build alternate energy infrastructure on a big scale.  The necessity is there.
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Last year on the JohnKerry.com forum, we saw several posts about a new alternative energy book by Dr. Galen Suppes, a professor of chemical engineering at the University of Missouri.

This is what the posts said:
Alternative Fuel Technology Being Blocked By National Policy, University Researcher Finds

Crude oil imported to the United States costs more than $100 billion per year. As these reserves become depleted, synthetic alternatives may provide the best opportunities to displace these imports with indigenous products, including ethanol from corn, bio-diesel from vegetable oils, and oil from coal. However, it has been difficult to bring this new alternative fuel technology to the United States. A new study by a University of Missouri-Columbia researcher found that by changing existing roadblocks, such as the U.S. tax structure, it would be possible for the United States to reduce the need for imported crude oil.

“In modern society, a nation must be able to commercialize new technology to maintain high worker productivity and an industrial base that is critical for national security,” said Galen Suppes, MU associate professor of chemical engineering. “When national policies inhibit this commercialization, the future of a country is inevitably compromised.”

In the study, Suppes and MU professor emeritus Truman Storvick examined a synthetic fuel sales price and four potential non-technical barriers: the number of years of petroleum crude oil reserves held by a corporation considering an investment into an alternative fuel facility, the intangible costs associated with investing into a new technology, the U.S. tax structure, and the return on investment. Suppes used an analysis that is similar to analyses used to make investment decisions in the chemical industry.

Suppes found that without the non-technical barriers, a barrel of synthetic fuel would cost $13, including technology costs. However, when the other barriers were added, the price dramatically rose. The return on investment and the existing U.S. tax structure would add $14 each, intangible costs related to foreign competition would cost $38 more, and conflicts of interest in the crude oil industry that might be relied upon to commercialize the technology would add more than $100 per barrel.

Suppes believes changes need to be made. For example, according to Suppes, there are essentially zero taxes made on imported crude oil. By contrast, a barrel of domestic synthetic crude oil would have corporate taxes, personal income taxes, FICA taxes, state income taxes, local sales taxes and other misc. taxes that are applied to income, dividends, and property before workers and investors realize their earnings. Stated in a different way, if a refinery pays $1 for a gallon of synthetic oil produced in the United States, about 50 cents of the purchase price goes to the U.S. state and local governments.

“These major non-technical barriers need to be removed for technology to continue to provide national prosperity in a global community,” Suppes said. “The industrial environment in the United States would be more conducive for the commercialization of new technologies that bring with them quality jobs, increased national research and development activities, and needed tax revenues.”


The book was published in late October 2004. Here is the link to the book on Amazon.

Energy Disclosed: Abundant Resources and Unused Technology
— A book on energy technology and options available to make our country stronger and the world a better place
By Galen J. Suppes, Ph.D., P.E.
Truman S. Storvick, Ph.D., P.E.


The book reads like a college lecture on energy, but without the math or engineering vocabulary. It includes a great review of the history of the discovery and development of our modern energy technology, and recognizes the crucial role of government investment and R&D.

The publisher used a low-end printer, so the print quality is disappointing, but the information in the book is very good. An engineer might not find anything new, but the book is a good tutorial on the subject for non-engineers. What I like best about it is the fact that the authors presented much of the info to their students first, and then used the feedback from the college kids to help improve the presentation.

The last 3 chapters explain exactly how existing technology can be used to produce synthetic diesel and methanol for less than $28 per barrel of oil equivalent... if the USA would change its tax policy, which favors imported oil.

If only our politicians and their staff would read this book...


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Too many wars have been fought over oil already.  I think things would have been different if Kerry had been elected. 
I think Kerry would be doing more than holding a Saudi Prince's hand, but I think the problem is so bad now, that it will take years of dedicated effort before we will see results.

If we move now to develop new diesel engines and hybrids and synthetic fuels, and change our tax laws so American companies who stay in the USA can compete on a level playing field...

Suppes, in his book, challenges the definition of free-trade. Pure capitalism assumes no taxes, no environmental laws, no interference. The USA is NOT a pure capitalist economy (thank God). Yet our stupid, blind, acceptance of "free trade" fails to acknowledge that "off-shore" factories and oil production are not subject to civilized laws and taxes.

So, Suppes asks, why do we allow this definition of "free-trade"? Why not demand that foreign manufactures and energy suppliers "pay their dues" to play in our market?

The Republicans answer is to tell us that the problem is USA labor - it is to expensive, taxes are too high, environmental/safety regulations too restrictive...

So, they take their factories off-shore, and we the people happily "shop at Wal-Mart" and buy "cheap" gasoline from who knows where...

We can do better... Suppes has a few ideas. Read Chapters VIII, IX and X in his book.
anderson_perry
John Kerry to Address America’s Dangerous Dependence on Saudi Oil
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04/25/2005
John Kerry to Address America’s Dangerous Dependence on Saudi Oil

Administration’s energy policy works for Saudis, big oil but not the American people.

Washington - Senator John Kerry will speak on the Senate floor today at approximately 3:00 p.m. on America’s dangerous dependence on foreign oil.

Below is a statement from Senator Kerry on this issue:

“President Bush’s meeting today with Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah is a stark reminder of our country’s dangerous dependence on foreign oil, and how much that dependence threatens our national security.

“America is growing more – not less – dependant on foreign oil, and our dependence on foreign oil is shortchanging our goals in the war on terror. Even if oil miraculously drops to $30 a barrel, over the next 25 years the U.S. will send over 3 trillion American dollars out of the country, much of it to regimes that don’t share our values. In the past Hamas received almost half of its funding from Saudi Arabia. We know al Qaeda has relied on prominent Saudis for financing. And Saudi Arabia sponsors clerics who promote the ideology of terror.

“We can no longer allow America’s dependence on foreign oil to compromise our energy security. Instead, we must invest in inventing new ways to power our cars and our economy. I’ll put my faith in American science and ingenuity any day before I depend on Saudi Arabia.

“The administration’s energy policy works for Saudi Arabia, it works for big oil and gas companies, but it doesn’t work for the American people. The president’s energy bill, by his own admission, does nothing to lower gas prices; will increase oil imports by 85% by 2025; and 95% of the tax benefits in the package – over $8 billion – go directly into the pockets of big oil and gas companies.

“Jawboning OPEC nations to increase production is short-term solution to a long-running problem. We need to invest in America’s energy future – not Saudi Arabia’s – and the only way to do that is to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.”


don't know if this has been posted here already but i'm saying it again!

because it needs to be said again... and again... and again.

what can be said i wonder, in addition to good old American science & ingenuity... i mean, thats all you need (plus elbo grease) but what other alternatives have we been discussing...

- perry
Eino
I got this from CNN.com

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Comparing U.S. dependence on overseas oil to a "foreign tax on the American people," President Bush on Wednesday proposed a series of energy initiatives, including more oil refineries and nuclear plants, to combat the problem.

In a speech to a Small Business Administration conference in Washington, Bush announced five proposals focusing on technology to ensure affordable and reliable supplies of energy.

His second energy speech in a week comes as gas prices soar ahead of the summer driving season.

"Technology is allowing us to better use our existing energy resources," Bush said. "And in the years ahead, technology will allow us to create entirely new sources of energy in ways earlier generations could never dream."

He said the United States must develop policies to make it less dependent on oil and other fossil fuels but stressed that he could not just lower soaring gas prices.

"Our dependence on foreign energy is like a foreign tax on the American people. It is a tax our citizens pay every day in higher gasoline prices and higher costs to heat and cool their homes. It's a tax on jobs and a tax that is increasing every year," Bush said.

"The problem is clear; the problem did not develop overnight. It is not going to be fixed overnight."

The president discussed a plan to encourage building oil refineries on former military sites. Administration officials said Bush will ask federal agencies to work with states and local communities to try to identify ways for refinery expansion.

He also called on the Department of Energy to work with Congress to reduce uncertainty in the licensing process of nuclear power plants.

"A secure energy future for America must include more nuclear power," Bush said.

The Bush administration said that despite a newer licensing process at the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, experiences in the 1970s and 1980s have left uncertainty among potential investors about their ability to negotiate the new system.

The president proposed "risk insurance" to mitigate the cost of possible delays in the licensing of new reactors.

Administration officials said they were not prepared yet to discuss how much that insurance might cost.

Other items on the Bush agenda included a call to Congress to grant federal authority (via the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission) over the location of new liquefied natural gas terminals in an effort to increase the supply of natural gas and reduce prices.

Additionally, the president called for expanding his existing tax credit proposal, which currently applies to hybrid and fuel-cell vehicles, to include those using new clean diesel technology.

Bush also touched on expanded international cooperation in cleaner and more efficient energy technologies.

The House of Representatives recently passed an energy bill, but the Senate has yet to do so. Bush urged the Senate to pass energy legislation and to have a bill on his desk before the August recess.

CNN's Catherine Berger and Elaine Quijano contributed to this report.


So he wants to put new oil refineries on old military sites.

"Free Land" and he may throw in a mule with the 40 acres

Seems with the price of gas, them oil boys got money to buy land.

I also wonder where the crude for those refineries will come from. Won't they still get it from the Saudis? Not real independent unless I'm missing something.

Of course he "can not just lower soaring oil prices." Even if he could do it, it would hurt his friends.

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He also called on the Department of Energy to work with Congress to reduce uncertainty in the licensing process of nuclear power plants.

"A secure energy future for America must include more nuclear power," Bush said.


I'm not sure what he means by that. It sounds good to me but,.......

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"Our dependence on foreign energy is like a foreign tax on the American people. It is a tax our citizens pay every day in higher gasoline prices and higher costs to heat and cool their homes. It's a tax on jobs and a tax that is increasing every year," Bush said.


The first tax is to pay for his oil war.

The second tax is to pay interest for the money he borrowed for tax #1.

The third tax is what he stated above.
ghostgovt
You guys are sniffin on the right trail(s). Here's a solid rumormill article that attaches itself to all that you speak about in one of the main driving forces behind all of this.

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum...ames;read=63420

3. Dark Matter: The Energy Task Force

The scandal: A lawsuit has claimed it is illegal for Dick Cheney to keep the composition of his 2001 energy-policy task force secret. What's the big deal? The New Yorker's Jane Mayer has suggested an explosive aspect of the story, citing a National Security Council memo from February 2001, which "directed the N.S.C. staff to cooperate fully with the Energy Task Force as it considered the 'melding' of ... 'operational policies towards rogue states,' such as Iraq, and 'actions regarding the capture of new and existing oil and gas fields.'" In short, the task force's activities could shed light on the administration's pre-9/11 Iraq aims.

The problem: The Federal Advisory Committee Act says the government must disclose the work of groups that include non-federal employees; the suit claims energy industry executives were effectively task force members. Oh, and the Bush administration has portrayed the Iraq war as a response to 9/11, not something it was already considering.

The outcome: Unresolved. In June 2004, the U.S. Supreme Court sent the case back to an appellate court.
prophet3865
I'm always amazed at how much input this website gets smile.gif, it just continues to astound me and it's always more than i have time to read generally but i am sure it's worth reading about tongue.gif. I agree with John Kerry 100% that we need to stop getting our oil from foreign countries and start to make our own oil or form of energy. Because right now i'm surprised that President Bush has actually done something to help the high gas prices.

To be quite honest it's probably the only good thing he has actually done in all of his lousy career. The way he's going to have us use biodiesel fuel instead of gasoline will be better for the ecology and the economy and we won't have such a heavy reliance on the Saudis for oil all the time. All we need to do in order to keep the biodiesel industry going is to keep the crops going that make the fuel for biodiesel fuel.

And in order to do that Bush has to open up his mind and support the farmers who grow the crops and make sure they get the benefits necessary to be able to keep this country running. It takes alot more to keep a country running in the right direction more than just one small step but it takes a whole series of steps. And each step supports the next one because there's always something that has to be contended with. Whether it's health benefits, the economy,work benefits, disability benefits.

To me it's all about having the benefits we need in order to live,eat,work, sleep and wake up the next day realizing that we have someone in office who knows what the h*ll they're doing >:O. But unfortunately President Bush is no exception for that kind of a person 99% of the time. Everyone knows John Kerry won the election and that the polls were hacked i know because i voted for him. My aspie friend Mike wants to get a bumper sticker that says "Don't blame me i voted for Kerry."

So anyways i have to finish getting my day started i'm gonna be going over to my moms house this evening because a painter is coming by to my dads house to paint the place. And i don't want to be here when all the noxious fumes are going through the house. I already feel sick enough with this sinus infection that i'm trying to get over sad.gif. I hope to hear from you soon,good luck in all you do.
Freedom4all
nice post prophet3865 -

I hope you get well soon.

Here is a link to more reading material... enjoy smile.gif
www.AmericanEnergyIndependence.com
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