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Snuffysmith
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1350982,00.html

The Final Battle
Snuffysmith
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A...anguage=printer

Iraq's Forbidding 'Triangle of Death'
South of Baghdad, a Brutal Sunni Insurgency Holds Sway
Snuffysmith
http://c5.zedo.com/jsc/c5/ff2.html?n=305;c...III-INTERACTIVE

Baghdad is now a battlefield, and we are in the middle
putino
It's a bloody quagmire and president Bush is the main cause:

QUOTE(Uruknet @ November 22 2004)
BLOODY QUAGMIRE

U.S. assault on Falluja incites new uprisings

John Catalinotto


November 22,2004 -The Bush administration and the Pentagon had hoped that the image their operations in Falluja would give to the world would be of an all-powerful force, decisive in battle, merciful in victory: a ground-war version of "shock and awe."

Yet despite the Pentagon's control of "embedded" reporters and the near absence of independent news sources in Iraq, the main image to come out of Falluja was the video of a U.S. Marine executing a wounded and helpless resistance fighter.

And, as of Nov. 17, the big news out of Iraq was that the active armed resistance had spread to Mosul, Beiji, Baquba, Ramadi, Tikrit, Iskandariya, Samarra and Baghdad, with police stations overrun and arms captured by anti-occupation fighters.

In Falluja itself, after nine days of battle, U.S. forces were still calling in air strikes. The resistance fighters, far outgunned and outnumbered, were still able to shoot back. Some resistance units are reportedly going back into Falluja to continue shooting at U.S. troops.

The offensive succeeded in showing that the U.S. military is overwhelmingly well-armed and destructive, but also cruel and frightened. Instead of demonstrating "shock and awe," it has shown the world Abu Ghraib II.

NBC correspondent Kevin Sites, who took the original video of the Iraqi prisoner being shot, was quoted by the Associated Press on Nov. 17 as saying that U.S. Marines had killed three more unarmed and wounded Iraqi prisoners in a Falluja mosque on Nov. 12.

Comments across the Internet compared Falluja with other embattled cities of historic importance: Guernica, destroyed by Nazi bombers in the Spanish Civil War; Stalingrad, the Soviet city whose resistance marked the turning point of World War II in defeating German imperialism; Algiers, which the French could occupy but never completely control in Algeria's liberation war; and Hue in Vietnam, whose recapture by U.S. forces after the 1968 Tet uprising cost them the war as it came out that they had slaughtered 5,000 people.

No comparison can be exact, and the Iraqis will write their own history. Still, from each of these historic examples there are lessons that the Pentagon generals and the Bush White House seem incapable of learning.

Most Pentagon reports on casualties in Falluja claimed about 65 GIs killed and over 300 wounded, 200 of them seriously. In the course of the week, over 400 seriously wounded or ill U.S. troops were flown to hospitals in Germany. The Pentagon claimed its troops killed 1,200 "insurgents," which is what U.S. officials likes to call Iraqis who defend their country from invaders.

The U.S. military doesn't keep a count of civilians killed. Top U.S. generals claimed that most of Falluja's 300,000 residents had left, and boasted they would kill few civilians. But at least 50,000 remained.

Humanitarian disaster

Humanitarian agencies, speaking to the few independent news reporters left in Iraq, gave a different assessment. "The Iraqi Red Crescent Society, which is supported by the Red Cross and the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF), has called the situation in Falluja a 'big disaster.'" (IPS reporter Dahr Jamail at dahrjamailiraq.com)

"Speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of U.S. military reprisal, a high-ranking official with the Red Cross in Baghdad told IPS that 'at least 800 civilians' have been killed in Falluja so far."

"Muna Salim, who managed to flee the city with her sister after the rest of their family was killed by U.S. bombs, said Falluja had turned from a battlefield to a ghost town in recent days," reports Jamail.

"'Most families stayed inside their houses all the time,' she said after reaching Baghdad. 'We were always very hungry because we didn't want to eat our food or drink all of the water. We never knew if we would be able to get more, so we tried to be careful.' She could not bring herself to talk of the killings.

"The Iraqi Red Crescent has several teams of relief workers and doctors, and truckloads of food waiting for the authorization from the U.S.-backed interim government and the U.S. military, but they have not been allowed in."

Sara Khorshid writes on IslamOnline.net:

"Those in Baghdad might be better off than Fallujans still locked inside their hometown, which is currently being razed to the ground by the U.S. Army. Every thing is being wiped out. 'The residential areas, our houses, they are all destroyed. They bombed the hospital, the clinics, the doctors, the infrastructure, everything,' Abu Mohammed said.

"'What Zarqawi? Where is Al-Zarqawi? Is he a ghost?' asks Umm Usama. 'There is no Zarqawi in Falluja, no Arab fighters as they claim.' In the name of Al-Zarqawi 1,200 people have been killed in Falluja according to the American military, which describes the victims as 'insurgents' and 'guerrillas.' Eyewit nes ses say the dead are civilian residents.

"'[Given this tragic situation], whoever believes that America has invaded and occupied Iraq to bring democracy and freedom is either stupid or in cooperation with the U.S. against the Iraqis,' says Monther Yaakoub, another Fallujan in Baghdad.

"I am obliged to fulfill my promise to the Fallujans I spoke with and get their calls across through this article: Abu Mohammed calls upon the Western media to cover the horrific situation they are living in. Umm Waddah calls upon the Arabs, who view the Iraqi tragedy on Arab TVs, to act and help their brothers and sisters in Iraq. And Umm Usama asks us to pray for Falluja, and for Iraq."

Reports from the resistance itself can be found at freearabvoice.org. But even in the corporate media, one could find reports that the resistance had opened up armed struggles in a dozen cities in what is called the "Sunni Triangle"--although it is not exclusively Sunni, nor is it shaped like a triangle.

The resistance overran nine police stations in Mosul, a city of nearly 2 million people north of Baghdad. Oil wells and pipelines have been set on fire in at least five places.

Political impact

Demonstrations of thousands have already taken place in Arab countries in solidarity with Falluja. Perhaps even more important was the response in Iraq itself.

"On the fourth day of the ground attack on Falluja, last Friday [Nov. 12]," writes Haifa Zangana in the British Guardian Nov. 17, "joint Shia-Sunni prayers were held in the four mosques in Baghdad and were massively well attended. Inter-communal prayers were the hallmark of the 1920 revolution."

According to a Xinhua report on Nov. 17, some 47 Iraqi political and religious parties have decided to boycott the general elections engineered by Washington for January 2005. The reason was "the U.S.-led assaults in cities like Najaf, Karbala, Samarra, Sadr City, Adhmiya, and especially the genocide crimes in Falluja," said the statement.

Mainly Sunni factions led by the Muslim Clerics Association signed the statement, but at least eight Shiite groups and one Christian party were also among them, according to Xinhua.

Another place where Falluja will have an important political impact is in the United States and among U.S. troops. Already the New York Times reported on Nov. 16 that the Army had sent notices to more than 4,000 former soldiers ordering them to return to active duty. More than 1,800 have already requested exemptions or delays. Of about 2,500 scheduled to arrive on military bases for training by Nov. 7, some 733 failed to show--29 percent.

Within the U.S., there have been demonstrations in response to the Falluja war crimes in Baltimore, Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, San Diego, San Francisco, Boulder, Colo., Wash ington, D.C., Buffalo, N.Y., and other cities.

Perhaps the closest historical example for Falluja is Hue. After all, it was Viet namese resistance organizer and communist leader Ho Chi Minh who said the Vietnamese were ready to fight for decades, even generations, if necessary.

The New York Times gave a hint of this when its reporter in Mosul wrote about the children at one playground there. "Amin Muhammad, 10, and his friends raced around with plastic guns. 'We divide ourselves into two teams,' he said. 'The mujahedeen versus the U.S. forces.' And in their battles, he said, the mujahedeen always win."

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Snuffysmith
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...n_re_mi_ea/iraq

Mass Offensive Launched South of Baghdad
Snuffysmith
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6403689/

5,000 troops launch offensive south of Baghdad
putino
From Jihad Unspun, an update on Fallujah's fights:

QUOTE(Jihad Unspun @ November 23 2004)
News Agency Confirms Mujahideen Controls Majority Of Fallujah

Nov 23, 2004
By Omar Al Faris, JUS


China’s Xinhua News Agency reported Monday that Mujahideen are holding 60 percent of Fallujah and have surrounded dozens of US Marines in the al-Jawlan district of the city. Quoting eyewitnesses on Sunday “who managed to sneak out of the city.” Xinhua wrote that the residents reported that the Mujahideen still controls the southern part of al-Fallujah, which “constitutes the larger part of the city and quoted the witnesses as saying that “US troops only control the north and small eastern spots in the city.”

The news agencies filing confirms what our sources and Mafkarat al-Islam have been reporting.

The residents said that “some American troops are based in government buildings and they are pounded by fighters.” They told the news agency, “in daytime groups of mujahideen engage with hit-and-run attacks with US Marines, and at the same time they gear themselves up for the night battles.” Xinhua reported that “fierce fighting and loud explosions resonated throughout the al-Jawlan neighborhood before sunset.”

They agency further reported eyewitnesses as saying on Monday that “fierce clashes are underway in the al-Jawlan, al-‘Askari, and ash-Shuhada’ neighborhoods on Monday. They said that several relief teams were conducting hard negotiations with US troops to gain access to the city to provide assistance to the wounded and bury the dead.

Residents outside the city reported that US troops let one relief team into the city on Sunday but later opened fire on their convoy, killing one member of the team and forcing them to withdraw amid growing fears of a humanitarian crisis in Fallujah.

Bigley House Found In Fallujah?

Meanwhile, mainstream news is reporting that a house found in central Fallujah is the site where British hostage, Kenneth Bigley, was held and beheaded. News agencies are reporting details of the house match the video images in which Bigley appeared while he was captivated, such as writings on the walls and a chicken-wire cage. Shackles and handcuffs were also present in the house.

This appears to be more misinformation to justify the Fallujah massacre of civlians as the last video taken of Bigley inside a cage was not filmed inside Iraq according our sources but rather in Jordan, where he was said to be excuted.

Relative Calm In The City Monday

Calm prevailed over the center and outlying regions of Fallujah on Monday, according to a dispatch posted on Mafkarat al-Islam at 11:35pm Monday night. US occupation forces remain centered in their same positions as on previous days, having made no advances. Some minor movements were observed of some military units, but these were inconsequential.

Correspondents outside the city of al-Fallujah observed occupation troops to be in a relaxed mood, as they could be seen getting out of their cars, resting and playing around with one another. Occupation forces occasionally opened and occasionally closed the road that leads to as-Saqlawiyah, allowing families some movement. (JUS)

Muhammad Abu Nasr, Free Arab Voice, contributed to this report.

Source: http://www.jihadunspun.com/intheatre_inter...list=/home.php&
Snuffysmith
Occupation Watch Bulletin
www.occupationwatch.org
November 21, 2004
By Marjorie Lasky

Slowly, very slowly, the story about what has happened in Falluja is emerging. The numbers of killed and wounded civilians might never be known but we do know that hospitals were flooded with wounded Iraqis, 80% of the 300,000 residents of Falluja fled to neighboring towns, US troops and their Iraqi counterparts destroyed the town, and the U.S. refused access to trucks carrying humanitarian aid. There are also narratives about starving and wounded Iraqis, more than 50 dead and hundreds of wounded US military personnel, the deaths of 1200 "insurgents" and the arrest of approximately 1500 more, a US marine killing an injured and unarmed Iraqi in a mosque, and the discovery of hostage houses where hostages might have been tortured and slain. One needs to remember that most of these reports emanate from either military personnel or reporters embedded with U.S. troops. Occasionally, refugee stories have reached the media, but the lack of coverage from varying perspectives, ten!
ds to provide a limited view of what actually occurred in Falluja.

A commentary by Tom Engelhardt and Jonathan Schell offers a collage of materials from eyewitness reports in Fallujah, mainly appearing in the mainstream media:

"Even the dogs have started to die, their corpses strewn among twisted metal and shattered concrete in a city that looks like it forgot to breathe. The aluminum shutters of shops on the main highway through town have been transformed by the force of war into mangled accordion shapes, flat, sharp, jarring slices of metal that no longer obscure the stacks of silver pots, the plastic-wrapped office furniture, the rolls of carpet...

[T]he Insurgents were putting up their most tenacious resistance as U.S. and Iraqi forces pursued them through a bleak landscape of bombed-out cinder block factories and houses reminiscent of the movie Blade Runner Driving down Highway 10, the main street running east to west through the heart of Fallujah, is like entering a film that is set sometime on the other side of Armageddon. Cars sit on the roofs of buildings. Lamp posts lie at odd angles on the street. Just south of the highway, a minaret has been snapped off near the base like a pretzel stick, and another minaret is missing a huge chunk. Fire has blackened the facade of building after building the city revealed a picture of utter destruction, with concrete houses flattened, mosques in ruins, telegraph poles down, power and phone lines hanging slack and rubble and human remains littering the empty streets. The northwest Jolan district, once an insurgent stronghold, looked like a ghost town, the only sound the rumbli!
ng of tank tracks...

Restaurant signs were covered in soot. Pavements were crushed by 70-ton Abrams tanks, and rows of crumbling buildings stood on both sides of deserted streets. Upmarket homes with garages looked as if they had been abandoned for years. Cars lay crushed in the middle of streets...

See: "The Battle for Minds, (forget the Hearts)"
http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?id=7914

Other reports describing the results of the battle fought in Fallujah include:

Robert R. Worth
"Clues of Hostages Emerge from Houses in Falluja"
http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?id=7964

"Grim, Angry Rites as Falluja Buries its Dead"
http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?id=7906

Michael Georgy and Fadel al-Badrani
"1,600 Iraqis Killed in U.S. Assault on Falluja"
http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?id=7865

"Children Pay Price of US Offensive"
http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?id=7865

Patrick McDonell
"Troops Round Up Corpses, Weapons in Falluja"
http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?id=7909

Scott Peterson
"Still Under Fire US forces shifting to Relief Effort"
http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?id=7883

Jackie Spinner
"Falluja Residents Emerge, Find "City of Mosques" in Ruins"
http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?id=7869

Opinions on what the battle of Falluja accomplished vary considerably--from the US military's pronouncement that the battle had broken the back of the Iraqi insurgency, a view echoed by Qasim Daoud, Iraq's interim minister of state for national security, who told a news conference: 'Mission accomplished ... Fallujah has been liberated,' to the belief that the insurgents, most of whom are believed to have left Falluja, will simply fight in other places, at other times.

For a sampling of these opinions, see:

Hadi Yahmid
"US Losses in Falluja to Outweigh Victory: Expert"
http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?id=7890

Haifa Zangana
"Collective Punishment is Escalating in Iraq"
http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?id=7913

Simon Jenkins
"A Wrecked Nation. A Desert. A Ghost Town. And This Will Be Called Victory"
http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?id=7861

Ken Coates
"Fallujah: Shock and Awe"
http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?id=7910

On November 18, the BBC's website featured one of the most poignant pictures to emerge from Falluja -- a headless Iraqi corpse lying in a street, one arm draped (in protection?) around a dead child who is lying on the corpse. Clearly, barbarity was and is evident and abundant on both sides in Fallujah (and elsewhere). And one needs to ask, in judging the depth and level of barbarity, how does a corpse, decapitated by hand, differ from a corpse decapitated by technology? Indeed, the events of Falluja and elsewhere have led the International Committee of the Red Cross to condemn the "utter contempt for humanity" shown by all sides of the Iraq War.

"Red Cross Condemns Rights Abuses in Iraq"
http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?id=7924

Of course, as anyone who has been following events in Iraq during the last few weeks knows, the resistance to the US occupation took a new and virile form throughout Iraq, but particularly amidst the Sunnis, almost from the day that Fallujah was attacked. For a recent report on these attacks see:

Edward Wong
"Rebels Keep Up Attacks in Central and North Iraq"
http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?id=7915

The US administration stated that one major reason for the Falluja assault was the need to safeguard Iraq's upcoming January elections. Now that a date for those elections has been set (January 30), the threat of wide scale boycotts by various Iraqi groups and the continuing chaos occasioned by the resistance to the US occupation have led many observers to question the possibility of "free and democratic" Iraqi elections.

Elizabeth Schrader and Mark Mazzetti
"Chaos in Iraq Imperils Vote"
http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?id=7917

Mazen Ghazi
"Protesting US Raids, 47 Iraqi Bodies Boycott Polls
http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?id=7847

Edward Wong
"Date for Iraqi Elections; Violence Slows Registration"
http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?id=7965


READ DAHR JAMAIL'S DISPATCHES FROM IRAQ:
http://dahrjamailiraq.com/weblog/
putino
This is from Washington Post:

QUOTE(Washington Post @ November 24 2004)
Medics Testify to Fallujah's Horrors

Navy Corpsmen Treated Unusually Devastating Injuries at Field Hospital

By Jackie Spinner
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, November 24, 2004; Page A15


FALLUJAH, Iraq -- The first time Jose Ramirez saw a human body ripped apart by a rocket, it took hours for him to regain his composure. Nothing in his training as a Navy medical corpsman had prepared him for the sight of the dead Marine brought in September to the military field hospital outside Fallujah.

"I walked around in shock," said Ramirez, 26, of San Antonio, a Navy petty officer third class attached to Bravo Surgical Company. "I've seen people die before on the emergency room table. But what I was trying not to do, what I was trained not to do, is look at the patient with tunnel vision. It reminded me that I had to get prepared."

Two months later, when the first wounded American and Iraqi troops arrived at the hospital after storming Fallujah, Ramirez had braced for the worst.

"It doesn't hit me when I'm working on a patient. But after we're cleaning up, and I see the blood on the floor or I see someone bagging a piece of arm or leg, I know it's going to be in my mind for the rest of my life," Ramirez said.

Fifty-one U.S. troops have been killed and 425 wounded since the ground assault on this insurgent stronghold began on Nov. 8. Although U.S. commanders say they control the city, Marine units are still going door to door to root out the remaining fighters, sometimes with deadly consequences.

Medics at the Bravo Surgical Company's field hospital, where all the battlefield dead and wounded are brought, said the injuries that troops sustained in the Fallujah fight were unusually devastating, most of them the result of close-range explosions.

"They're just horrific injuries," said Chief Petty Officer Damon Sanders, head of the shock stabilization team. "We saw an increasing amount of shrapnel wounds. Typically there are one or two people who take the brunt of the blast, and the rest of the guys take shrapnel."

Sanders, 36, of Temecula, Calif., said the injuries sustained in Fallujah were more severe than those typically suffered in Iraq, largely because the insurgents had been in control of the city for months and were ready to fight.

"It's when you're waiting, you give the enemy time to set up," he said. "When they're running, they can't do as much."

Marine Lance Cpl. Davi Allen said he saw little action in the first days of the Fallujah offensive. But last week, after the city had mostly been secured, he and his platoon -- part of the 1st Battalion, 3rd Marine Regiment -- were clearing houses in one of the northern neighborhoods that troops swept through at the start of the offensive. After going through about 50 houses, Allen, 21, of Cloverdale, Ore., was looking around the small living room of a residence when he heard gunshots coming from the kitchen.

He looked over and saw a grenade roll into the room. The house's windows had bars on them, and the grenade was too close to the doorway for Allen to make a run for it. He said he had no choice but to ride it out.

"I balled myself in the corner and waited," he said. "It blew up behind me."

Two Marines were injured and one was killed in the attack. Medics brought Allen to Bravo Surgical with 24 pieces of shrapnel in his backside. One of the corpsmen who treated him was Ramirez.

When Allen recounted the tale last weekend, he was standing outside the hospital, sipping a soda. Ramirez dashed by to help carry an injured Iraqi detainee to a waiting ambulance, then came over to talk to Allen. They share an interest in rap music, the two said, and Ramirez repeated a promise to bring Allen some music.

"I knew eventually I'd get hurt," Allen said, cuts still visible on his hands and arms. "I was lucky just to get a grenade. I just want to go back home and see my wife."

Ramirez said the hospital prepared for large numbers of wounded troops before the battle began. But he and his colleagues did not prepare for what he called "the walking wounded." At the last minute, the corpsmen set up a tent to deal with patients who were not brought in on stretchers. Another tent was set up for Iraqi detainees. That freed up some space for the seriously injured, he said, but so many were carried in that a lounge had to be turned into a triage room.

"When they told us we'd go into Fallujah, many of us thought we'd see gunshot wounds, but not people with limbs already amputated due to the blast," Ramirez said.

He spent a lot of time reassuring troops that they were getting the best care possible. "There was one soldier, and I needed to put an IV in his arm," Ramirez recalled. "He was really nervous, and I told him, 'Look man, you just survived a blast.' "

Sanders said the hospital staff worked around the clock during the height of the battle, particularly as troops pushed into Fallujah's southern neighborhoods and confronted a hard core of better-trained insurgents.

There are days, Sanders said, that he and his crew will never forget.

"You're seeing your brothers come in, but you can't see them. You're almost like a machine," he said. "The history we've gone through here will forever make us family. If we see each other 10 years from now, not a word will have to be spoken."

During a recent break, Ramirez imagined facing his mother and what he would say to her. He joined the Navy 8 1/2 years ago to become a medical corpsman after her breast cancer was diagnosed. A single parent, his mother raised him to be the best at what he did, no matter what path he chose, Ramirez said.

"I would honestly be afraid to go back home and tell my family I didn't perform the best I could," he said. "I couldn't look my mother in the eye."

In the distance, but close enough for the ground to shake, an explosion thundered, sending a dark mushroom cloud toward the clear, blue sky.

"We'll know soon enough if it was incoming," Ramirez said, stretching his legs. "I will shoot if I have to. I have shot at people, but that's not what I'm here for. I'm here to save lives."

A few minute passed, then a half-hour, and no ambulance raced to the door of the hospital.

"There's just one thing I want you to know," Ramirez said, before turning to walk away. "There is a corpsman in the memorial of Iwo Jima. He's a pharmacist mate, second class, John Bradley. He was there in the fight. Most people don't know that."

© 2004 The Washington Post Company

Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A...anguage=printer
Snuffysmith
Medics Testify to Fallujah's Horrors

By Jackie Spinner

FALLUJAH, Iraq -- The first time Jose Ramirez saw a human body ripped apart by a rocket, it took hours for him to regain his composure. Nothing in his training as a Navy medical corpsman had prepared him for the sight of the dead Marine brought in September to the military field hospital outside Fallujah.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...er=emailarticle
Snuffysmith
U.S. Military Finds Five Dead in Mosul

The U.S. military said five bodies were found Wednesday in northern Mosul, bringing the total to 20 bodies found in the past week.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...er=emailarticle
Snuffysmith
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...4/ts_nm/iraq_dc

US, Iraq Target Rebels in Election Countdown
Snuffysmith
In pockets of Fallujah, US troops still face harsh battles
Just four insurgents tied down a Marine company for hours in a
nighttime battle. By Scott Peterson

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1126/p10s01-woiq.html?s=hns
Weneedchange
QUOTE(putino @ Nov 10 2004, 07:45 PM)
This news is from Islam Online, and if it's true Bush is guilty of war crimes:
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I believe GWB and his lot are crazy but this is to crazy for me.

Besides you just can't have a selective release of the type of weapons referred to in the story. Those type of weapons KILL everthing contaminated either U.S. or Iraq, a sudden sand/wind storm could turn a WMD to a "WMS" weapon of mass suicide.

Now if you had written that large usable stockbiles of WMD had been found and GWB had them planted I just may have believed you.

They are more inclined to plant them than use them.
VIETNAMVET
The Bush Administration has blown it.

There was no reason to invade Iraq ... none.

But given that they followed through with it, they undermanned the occupation ... they failed to understand the insurgency. In fact they would not use the word "guerilla warfare" for fear that it would cause a different force ratio calculation: 10:1 vs 3:1 ... that meant slightly more than 3 times more troops than were committed under non-guerilla scenario force calculations.

That was a first class tactical blunder mounted on the strategic blunder of invading Iraq in the first place.

Now we are bogged down in a Sunni insurgency that is not going to go away. Shi-ite radicals in both Iran and Iraq (Sunni adversaries) are sitting it out waiting for Americans to do the dirty work of weakening the Sunni militant presence. When the US will have bled the Sunnis enough you will see a Shi-ite insurgency that will make the Sunni/Fallujah problem look like a cake walk.

The US has already lost this war ... I can't imagine what Cheney's (Bush is not running things) going to do at this point ... probably just keep bleeding Americans and selling it as the "war on terrorism" ... while Osama Bin Laden's Al Qaeda's recruiters have a hey day recruiting thanks to the Bush Administration's stupidity and incompetence.
Snuffysmith
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...d=564&ncid=1480

Confusion Reigns as US Raid Misses Target in Iraq
Snuffysmith
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4038541.stm

US sweeps Iraqi Sunni 'hotspots'
Snuffysmith
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4036181.stm

Eyewitness: US revises Mosul plans
VIETNAMVET
QUOTE(Snuffysmith @ Nov 24 2004, 10:55 PM)
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...d=564&ncid=1480

Confusion Reigns as US Raid Misses Target in Iraq
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What the frig does this have to do with 9/11 ??? ....

QUOTE
Down the road, soldiers were ramming open the gates of an upscale house. They were about to burst through the door when it opened. Inside were seven young women and six dazed children.


Somebody please explain to me WHY WE ARE IN IRAQ!!!!!!
Snuffysmith
Tape Condemns Sunni Muslim Clerics
By JOHN F. BURNS
In an audiotape posted on the Internet, a man identified as
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the Jordanian terrorist, condemned
Sunni Muslim clerics in Iraq for abandoning the resistance.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/25/internat.../25iraq.html?th
Snuffysmith
Still Worlds Apart on Iraq
To begin changing the bleak picture in Iraq, the Bush
administration will have to work much harder at
international bridge building.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/26/opinion/26fri1.html?th
Snuffysmith
Iraqi Leaders Plan to Meet Insurgents in Jordan
By EDWARD WONG
The interim Iraqi government plans to meet soon in Jordan
with rebel leaders to try to persuade them to take part in
politics.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/26/internat.../26iraq.html?th
Snuffysmith
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/27/internat...artner=homepage

Insurgency: Troops Finding Scores of Bodies of Slain Iraqis
Snuffysmith
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FK25Ak04.html

The recipe for civil war
Snuffysmith
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FK25Ak02.html

Further into the Iraqi labyrinth
Snuffysmith
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FK25Ak03.html

The burden of the wounded
Snuffysmith
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FK25Ak01.html

GI Joes who just want to go home
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Troops Finding Scores of Bodies of Slain Iraqis
By RICHARD A. OPPEL Jr.
American troops have discovered at least 65 bodies in the
past eight days in Mosul, the latest sign that insurgents
are focusing on terrorizing vulnerable Iraqis.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/27/internat...27mosul.html?th
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...rces_under_fire

Insurgents Target Iraqi Security Forces
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Shadow of Vietnam Falls Over Iraq River Raids
By JOHN F. BURNS
As marines aboard patrol boats roared up the Euphrates on a
dawn raid on Sunday, images pressed in of another American
war.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/29/internat...9search.html?th
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http://www.antiwar.com/cole/?articleid=4069

Iraq and Damned Statistics
Juan Cole
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http://www.antiwar.com/eland/?articleid=4073

Failure after Falluja?
Ivan Eland
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http://www.antiwar.com/cole/?articleid=4070

Dead Wrong on the Iraqi Elections
Juan Cole
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4050751.stm

US General warns over Iraq poll
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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/30/internat...9dc90bbc6a0bfa0

US Officials Say Iraqi's Forces Founder Under Rebel Assault
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...n_re_mi_ea/iraq

suicide Bomber Rams US Convoy in Iraq
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Car Bomb North of Baghdad Kills 4 Iraqis

http://enews.voanews.com/t?ctl=A314CD:2F72C9D

Insurgents have recently stepped up their violent campaign -
particularly in Iraq's Sunni dominated regions - to derail the
country's January 30 election

US soldiers examine the scene after an US military truck was damaged
in suicide car bomber attack on Baghdad's airport highway The U.S.
military says four Iraqi civilians were killed and 19 people,
including two American soldiers, were wounded when a car bomb exploded
near a U.S. military convoy in the northern town of Baiji Tuesday.

In a separate attack -- also in Baiji -- insurgents fired a
rocket-propelled grenade at a U.S. tank, wounding one soldier.

Insurgents have recently stepped up their violent campaign -
particularly in Iraq's Sunni dominated regions - to derail the
country's January 30 election.

Major Sunni Muslim and Kurdish parties have called for a six-month
delay in the vote. But parties representing Iraq's Shi'ite majority
say the election should go ahead as planned.

U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell says the election is a way for
Iraqis to take a stand against the insurgents.

Some information for this report provided by AP, AFP and Reuters.
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US Calls on UN Chief to Release All Oil-for-Food Facts

http://enews.voanews.com/t?ctl=A314CF:2F72C9D

World body rocked by revelations a key oil-for food contractor made
regular payments to Kofi Annan's son Washington's ambassador to
the United Nations has urged Secretary-General Kofi Annan to promptly
release all information concerning the scandal-ridden Iraq
oil-for-food program. The world body was rocked over the weekend by
revelations that a key oil-for food contractor made regular payments
to Mr. Annan's son.

John Danforth U.S. Ambassador John Danforth met privately with the
secretary-general Monday to discuss the burgeoning investigation into
alleged corruption in the oil for food program.

The meeting came on the heels of news reports that Mr. Annan's
27-year-old son, Kojo Annan, received monthly payments from the
Swiss-based Cotecna inspections firm until February of this year.

During much of that time, Cotecna held a lucrative U.N. contract to
monitor shipments arriving in Iraq under the oil-for-food humanitarian
program.

U.N. officials had previously said that the younger Mr. Annan stopped
working for Cotecna about the time it won the oil for food contract in
1998.

Ambassador Danforth called allegations of oil for food corruption
"serious", and said he had advised the secretary-general to release
all facts in the case promptly.

"It is important to have the facts presented in a comprehensive way so
the public, the international public but certainly the American public
is convinced there has been no cover-up, nothing has been withheld,
everything is out there, everything has been investigated, every lead
has been run down, every relevant piece of paper examined," he said.
"All the facts are out there, everything is known. I'm not for
prejudging anything. I'm for the absolute laying out of all evidence."

Kofi AnnanSecretary-General Annan told reporters Monday he had been
surprised and disappointed to learn that his son had received payments
totaling $30,000 a year from the Cotecna firm as recently as last
February. He acknowledged that the payments create the appearance of a
conflict of interest, but denied having any knowledge of the deal.

"He's an independent businessman, he's a grown man, and I don't get
involved with his activities, and he doesn't get involved in mine," he
said. "And also as I've stated earlier, I have no involvement with
granting of contracts, either this Cotecna one or others."

Early this year, Mr. Annan appointed former U.S. Central Bank chief
Paul Volcker to investigate charges of corruption in the oil for food
program. Mr. Volcker has declined to share internal U.N. documents and
other information pending completion of his probe.

But Ambassador Danforth Monday called on Mr. Annan to cooperate fully
with U.S. congressional investigations.

"Clearly it is within the right of Congress to conduct investigations
on matters that pertain to national policy, the international affairs
of the United States, the relationship between the U.S. and the U.N.
All this is clearly within purview of the U.S. Congress," he said.
"Congressional committees are going to insist on that right, they have
that right."

Secretary-General Annan Monday turned aside a reporter's question
about whether he might consider resignation in light of the
allegations. But he acknowledged that the current climate makes it
more difficult to achieve his objectives, particularly his effort to
reform the world body. A panel of eminent persons he appointed last
year to recommend a reform proposal, including an expansion of the
powerful Security Council, is due to publish its report this week.
Snuffysmith
US Calls on UN Chief to Release All Oil-for-Food Facts

http://enews.voanews.com/t?ctl=A314CF:2F72C9D

World body rocked by revelations a key oil-for food contractor made
regular payments to Kofi Annan's son Washington's ambassador to
the United Nations has urged Secretary-General Kofi Annan to promptly
release all information concerning the scandal-ridden Iraq
oil-for-food program. The world body was rocked over the weekend by
revelations that a key oil-for food contractor made regular payments
to Mr. Annan's son.

John Danforth U.S. Ambassador John Danforth met privately with the
secretary-general Monday to discuss the burgeoning investigation into
alleged corruption in the oil for food program.

The meeting came on the heels of news reports that Mr. Annan's
27-year-old son, Kojo Annan, received monthly payments from the
Swiss-based Cotecna inspections firm until February of this year.

During much of that time, Cotecna held a lucrative U.N. contract to
monitor shipments arriving in Iraq under the oil-for-food humanitarian
program.

U.N. officials had previously said that the younger Mr. Annan stopped
working for Cotecna about the time it won the oil for food contract in
1998.

Ambassador Danforth called allegations of oil for food corruption
"serious", and said he had advised the secretary-general to release
all facts in the case promptly.

"It is important to have the facts presented in a comprehensive way so
the public, the international public but certainly the American public
is convinced there has been no cover-up, nothing has been withheld,
everything is out there, everything has been investigated, every lead
has been run down, every relevant piece of paper examined," he said.
"All the facts are out there, everything is known. I'm not for
prejudging anything. I'm for the absolute laying out of all evidence."

Kofi AnnanSecretary-General Annan told reporters Monday he had been
surprised and disappointed to learn that his son had received payments
totaling $30,000 a year from the Cotecna firm as recently as last
February. He acknowledged that the payments create the appearance of a
conflict of interest, but denied having any knowledge of the deal.

"He's an independent businessman, he's a grown man, and I don't get
involved with his activities, and he doesn't get involved in mine," he
said. "And also as I've stated earlier, I have no involvement with
granting of contracts, either this Cotecna one or others."

Early this year, Mr. Annan appointed former U.S. Central Bank chief
Paul Volcker to investigate charges of corruption in the oil for food
program. Mr. Volcker has declined to share internal U.N. documents and
other information pending completion of his probe.

But Ambassador Danforth Monday called on Mr. Annan to cooperate fully
with U.S. congressional investigations.

"Clearly it is within the right of Congress to conduct investigations
on matters that pertain to national policy, the international affairs
of the United States, the relationship between the U.S. and the U.N.
All this is clearly within purview of the U.S. Congress," he said.
"Congressional committees are going to insist on that right, they have
that right."

Secretary-General Annan Monday turned aside a reporter's question
about whether he might consider resignation in light of the
allegations. But he acknowledged that the current climate makes it
more difficult to achieve his objectives, particularly his effort to
reform the world body. A panel of eminent persons he appointed last
year to recommend a reform proposal, including an expansion of the
powerful Security Council, is due to publish its report this week.
Snuffysmith
In Falluja's Ruins, Big Plans and a Risk of Chaos
By ROBERT F. WORTH
As officials prepare to start letting residents return to
Falluja, Iraq, they must figure out how to win back the
confidence of the people whose city they have destroyed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/01/internat...nstruct.html?th
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U.S. Troops Still Dying in Ramadi Amid 'Relative Peace, Tranquillity'

RAMADI, Iraq-Although ambushes and bombings are routine there, the
city doesn't need a Fallouja-style crackdown, say officers with a
military unit. By John Hendren.
http://email.latimes.com/cgi-bin1/DM/y/ekh...Io30G2B0GJ6s0AB
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http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FL02Ak02.html

From Guernica to Fallujah
Pepe Escobar
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http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FL02Ak01.html

The Forgotten People
Snuffysmith
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FL02Ak02.html

From Guernica to Fallujah
Pepe Escobar
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http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&...d=1&m=12&y=2004

Kingdom Offers Full Support to Iraq
Snuffysmith
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&...ategory=Kingdom

Saudi Arabia Ready to Cut Iraq Debts
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http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4§ion=0&...d=1&m=12&y=2004

Preparations Under Way for Inter-Iraq Talks
mistral
Thanks Snuffysmith....very sad reports, I am curious how Bush and his team are sleeping sad.gif

And no country is daring to confront the USA for it!
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...ostages_britain

Body found in Iraq not Margaret Hassan
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...n_re_mi_ea/iraq

Iraqi President Backs Jan. 30 Elections
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