Saturday 11th June, 2005
Twenty five U.S. soldiers killed this week in Iraq
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If Iraq '04 looks like Vietnam '66 then I would think that Iraq '05 now matches close to a Vietnam '67. I believe that the highest yearly death toll in Vietnam happened in 1970. If I am not wrong, S Vietnam in '67 was trying to create it's own armed forces too (ARVNs)... of which miserably failed in it's first couple years. In their end, the ARVNs were wiped out from '71-'73 (I Corps). I don't think that Iraq has reached the proportions of what Vietnam was like, but it sure offers it's own moments of hell as those wonded and killed in Iraq would atest to if able. 
I particularly pay attention to the progress of failure in Iraq in how I compare it to Vietnam.
http://politics.slate.msn.com/id/2111432/
Iraq 2004 Looks Like Vietnam 1966
Adjusting body counts for medical and military changes.
By Phillip Carter and Owen West
Posted Monday, Dec. 27, 2004
Soldiers have long been subjected to invidious generational comparison. It's a military rite of passage for new recruits to hear from old hands that everything from boot camp to combat was tougher before they arrived. The late '90s coronation of the "Greatest Generation"—which left many Korean War and Vietnam War veterans scratching their heads—is only the most visible cultural example.
Generational contrasts are implicit today when casualties in Iraq are referred to as light, either on their own or in comparison to Vietnam. The Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, for example, last July downplayed the intensity of the Iraq war on this basis, arguing that "it would take over 73 years for U.S. forces to incur the level of combat deaths suffered in the Vietnam war."
But a comparative analysis of U.S. casualty statistics from Iraq tells a different story. After factoring in medical, doctrinal, and technological improvements, infantry duty in Iraq circa 2004 comes out just as intense as infantry duty in Vietnam circa 1966—and in some cases more lethal. Even discrete engagements, such as the battle of Hue City in 1968 and the battles for Fallujah in 2004, tell a similar tale: Today's grunts are patrolling a battlefield every bit as deadly as the crucible their fathers faced in Southeast Asia.
I particularly pay attention to the progress of failure in Iraq in how I compare it to Vietnam.
http://politics.slate.msn.com/id/2111432/
Iraq 2004 Looks Like Vietnam 1966
Adjusting body counts for medical and military changes.
By Phillip Carter and Owen West
Posted Monday, Dec. 27, 2004
Soldiers have long been subjected to invidious generational comparison. It's a military rite of passage for new recruits to hear from old hands that everything from boot camp to combat was tougher before they arrived. The late '90s coronation of the "Greatest Generation"—which left many Korean War and Vietnam War veterans scratching their heads—is only the most visible cultural example.
Generational contrasts are implicit today when casualties in Iraq are referred to as light, either on their own or in comparison to Vietnam. The Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, for example, last July downplayed the intensity of the Iraq war on this basis, arguing that "it would take over 73 years for U.S. forces to incur the level of combat deaths suffered in the Vietnam war."
But a comparative analysis of U.S. casualty statistics from Iraq tells a different story. After factoring in medical, doctrinal, and technological improvements, infantry duty in Iraq circa 2004 comes out just as intense as infantry duty in Vietnam circa 1966—and in some cases more lethal. Even discrete engagements, such as the battle of Hue City in 1968 and the battles for Fallujah in 2004, tell a similar tale: Today's grunts are patrolling a battlefield every bit as deadly as the crucible their fathers faced in Southeast Asia.
Sunday and the deaths go on.
What do we care enough to do about it?
What do we care enough to do about it?
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BAGHDAD, Iraq - Four U.S. soldiers were killed in separate roadside bombings west of Baghdad, the military said Sunday. Two soldiers were killed Saturday when a bomb exploded near their vehicle outside Amiriyah, some 25 miles west of Baghdad.
Two other soldiers also died Saturday when their vehicle struck a bomb near Taqaddum, 45 miles west of Baghdad.
At least 1,701 members of the U.S. military have died since the beginning of the Iraq war in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count.
Meanwhile, some insurgent groups have agreed on the need to join Iraq's political process, a government spokesman said Sunday, calling on them to lay down their guns.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=2&u=/ap...
Two other soldiers also died Saturday when their vehicle struck a bomb near Taqaddum, 45 miles west of Baghdad.
At least 1,701 members of the U.S. military have died since the beginning of the Iraq war in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count.
Meanwhile, some insurgent groups have agreed on the need to join Iraq's political process, a government spokesman said Sunday, calling on them to lay down their guns.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=2&u=/ap...
QUOTE(Cloudy @ Jun 12 2005, 10:45 AM)
Sunday and the deaths go on.
What do we care enough to do about it?
What do we care enough to do about it?
Well Cloudy, you asked the $64,000 question. As planned by these corrupt GOP neconic bastards, they knew damn well what would happen once we were sucked into this quagmire. Once in, never can get out of it. Unlike Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq has us drawn into more than just those two countries. We now have the Muslim world to deal with.
The only solution that I know that could ever bring this back to some level of peace would be partly what we did in Vietnam to end it. The ppl here at home will need to gather in size to demonstrate like they did since 1967-1973. The thing to note today is that we are up against a larger corrupted force in BushCo compared to the Nixon rats. But just as Watergate took that corrupt regime apart... we need the same in the likes of this Downing Street Memo.. and or deeper investigations into the 9/11 set up. Then, during those last few years in Vietnam, the troops there began holding the suckazz commanders feet to the fire and in our own ways there, we created the stopage of caranage over there the best we knew how. That's what will have to happen with these vets today in their war zones. back in 1972-73 that's when the Nixon Pentagon knew that they had to pull out of Vietnam for sure as the troops there was refusing to further fight the dirty deeds for the Nixon lost lie war. In Iraq and Afghanistan, the same must take place and all of what I mentioned above must happen together. Stop support of these wars and demonstrate.... stop fueling these wars with money and human bodies.... then expose the corruption in 'this' govt. Now... with Vietnam we were able to let Vietnam hate to sizzle down on it's own... which took 30 years for them to be at peace with US. This is different now as this is much bigger in who is angered with America. Until we give the Muslim world the culprits who are behind all of this, they will not rest. We will not ever have the money to buy all of them off for such a peace process. It will take bringing the BushCons to justice in order to calm the Muslim world and hopefully stop what is inevitably ahead... total destruction. In that process of such true justice, it will also include bringing justice to the likes of the OBLs also but after the Muslim world will be more at peace and cooperation with the UN and Americans again.
See Cloudy, the main problem has always come from this side of the pond with it's greedy imperialistic ways that has created the monsters and problems that now opposes US. We have been and now still fighting the monsters that we have created. It's time for the piper to pay it's dues.... and that is in the form of this corrupt govt that has been Bush/Nixon flavored for several decades. Nothing can come to rest and be settled until the true culprits are dealt with. Sadly, and until then, this will never end until the world ends if true justice does not take place. :no:
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