QUOTE(Livyjr @ Jun 6 2009, 04:30 AM)

QUOTE(Livyjr @ Jun 5 2009, 10:45 AM)

I am a YIN person, I would say, so I look at t'ai chi as a HEALING ART ...
The Golden Rule is rooted in pure empathy and does not compel us to perform any specific act.
Rather, it gently guides us to never let our actions toward others be out of harmony with our own desires.
The Golden Rule asks us to be aware of the effect our words and actions may have on another person and to imagine ourselves in their place. QUOTE(Livyjr @ Jul 14 2005, 08:54 AM)

And this thought of shawneedaughter brings me back to the "Five Regulatings", and why I started this thread in the first place.
To review, the Five Regulatings associated with t'ai and chi gong are as follows, in the order stated:
REGULATE THE BODY
REGULATE THE BREATH
REGULATE THE MIND
REGULATE THE CHI
REGULATE THE SPIRIT
And while these "regulatings" are stated in this order, the underlying truth is that there is no scalpel sharp enough to separate any one of them from any other, and so, they are all inter-related, and interconnected, and the higher ones, regulating chi, and spirit, are really quite dependent upon the lower ones, and as shawneedaughter is saying, to "achieve" your chi and spirit, you must really allow things to "fall away", or as I say, invest in loss!
Those persons that I have met who I would address as "master" are really masters of themselves, which is what makes them masters to me, which is someone to emulate, as opposed to taking orders from, someone to advise, as opposed to direct, since no person can control your life for you, if you cannot do it, yourself!
T'ai chi and chi gong are to me a literal "life support system", but it is an internal "life support system", which is to say, "mind-directed", as opposed to an external one, controlled by another, and so, I am the one responsible for keeping that "life support system" hooked up and running, in which case, an outside master does me no good whatsoever, if I will make no effort, on my own, to take over control of myself to get good habits by giving up bad habits, to get strength by giving up weakness, by allowing prejudice and such things that are debilitating to body, mind and soul to "fall away", to leave that core intact, just as shawneedaughter states above.
And while t'ai chi really is and can be a quite devastating "martial art", the purpose in practicing t'ai chi is to never fight, because you never have to fight, TO NEVER HAVE THE THOUGHT OF FIGHTING IN YOUR HEAD, AND THUS ON YOUR MIND, because you have recognized the futility in fighting, and so, have risen above it, which I think is a big difference between Yang Luchan, and his grandson Yang, Cheng Fu, and that is how evolution works, I think.
We observe the world around us, we see things that we wish to know better, we see people we wish to emulate, and we also see things and places where we do not want, or no longer choose to be, and out of all these things, our lives are shaped, BY US, if we only would take charge of OURSELVES, to have it be so!
Having been in combat, and having been trained in the "martial" side of things, I can see how t'ai chi is a very effective martial art, or could be, and I never use that skill myself, nor do I teach it to others, because that in the end simply limits one's growth as a person, to be focused on fighting, rather than healing, tearing down, as opposed to building!
As is said in the classics, if you want to build a nine-story tower, level the ground where it will stand, FIRST, and then continue from there, and that is the best advise that I think any teacher can give to someone who is interested in beginning t'ai chi!
"Level the ground, first!"
Be realistic with yourself!
Be truthful to yourself!
And be gentle with yourself, and especially with your ignorance, which is where the seeds of wisdom are contained, as they are no where else!
Q: Livyjr ....
With your talk of the GOLDEN RULE and all in here ....
Do you think that it is a contradiction in terms to be a peaceful martial artist?
Livyjr: Hmmmmm ....
An interesting question ....
And I would say no, it is not .....
First of all, the study of what are known as or called martial arts is TO ME about DISCIPLINE ....
Gaining an internal discipline that gives you mastery over yourself in all situations, as opposed to mastery over others ...
While there are schools of martial arts where actual fighting is what the schools are about, the study of martial arts does not automatically lead you towards fighting ....
And I would say that the reverse is true - that the more accomplished you become in your forms, the more you are able to see the futility of fighting ....
And how fighting can ultimately dissipate you, since by fighting all the time, you are not growing your mind in a positive direction ...
BUT ....
This is all highly circumstantial ....
And by that, I mean the path of your life that brought you to martial arts in the first place ....
I am a combat veteran ....
I have seen enough violence in my life to last me for several more lifetimes than this one ...
So I have those experiences which guide me on my path today to where I am now ....
A younger person may not have those same experiences, and may feel the need to take some martial arts courses for self-defense ....
Then that is the set of circumstances in THEIR life that is bringing them onto the path of martial arts ....
AND THERE IS NO RIGHT OR WRONG TO ANY OF THIS ....
THERE IS MERELY EVOLUTION ....
This is the direction that I personally have chosen to evolve towards ....
And that is something that t'ai chi gives one, I believe, which is power over your own evolution ....
So why evolve in a downward direction is my thought this morning ....
But again, upward and downward are personal constructs in one's life ....
You get to choose ....
You get to say ....
And so ...